Bengals Banter: On the Bengals passing offense
One of the many debates we'll get into this offseason is the team's passing offense. But before you can offer solutions, you have to examine the problems, which are generally spoken in question format. Has Carson Palmer lost confidence in his receivers? Are the team's protection schemes not protecting Palmer long enough? Has Palmer lost it? Is there something to be said about the team's wide receivers not being good enough? If you take away Chad Ochocinco's production this season, then combine all of the remaining wide receivers numbers, it looks like this:
| Receptions | Yards | Touchdowns | |
| Wide Receivers | 110 | 1,237 | 10 |
| TE/RB | 104 | 850 | 2 |
I realize that you can't simply remove the statistical production of the team's best wide receiver and expect flourishing numbers at that position. Furthermore, most offenses in the NFL tend to use tight ends and running backs out of the backfield for their short passing game, as well as outlets for quarterbacks under pressure. As Bengals fans, we've been spoiled with Chad and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Let's admit that, why don't we? In his final three seasons with the Bengals, Houshmandzadeh averaged 98 receptions. Combine all the receptions by receivers not named Ochocinco, and they collectively recorded 12 more receptions than Houshmandzadeh's three-year average.
Quite bluntly, no one stepped up where Houshmandzadeh left off. Laveranues Coles, the team's high profile free agent last offseason, recorded 50 yards receiving or more in only three games during his worst statistical season since his rookie year. In the Bengals's final 11 games of the regular season, Andre Caldwell averaged 2.6 receptions and 20 yards receiving per game. He never recorded more than 35 yards receiving nor caught more than five passes in any one game during that span -- he was shutout twice and had two receptions or less in four of those final 11 games.
There is, however, something to be said about the team's focus running the football. Consider for a moment that Carson Palmer only attempted 466 passes in 2009 -- the lowest attempted passes throughout a 16-game season in Palmer's career. And the Bengals did have their most productive rushing offense since 1999. The team's 505 rushing attempts is the most since the 1989 squad rushed the football 529 times. But that's not to say Palmer's production doesn't remain noticeably lower than we have come to expect. His yards per attempt (6.6), his passer rating (83.6), his touchdowns (21), 40-yard passes (5) and his yards passing per game (193.4) are all career lows during a season in which he played all 16 games.
For as dominating the offensive line has been in the running game, they seemed to struggle giving Palmer a firm pocket in which he didn't feel pressured, or forced into throwing a mistake. Granted, Palmer was only hit 56 times in the pocket, which ranked sixth best in the NFL and his 29 times sacked ranked inside the top ten. So the question I'm starting to face is, was Palmer feeling pressure that wasn't there and forcing his throws? Football Outsiders ranked Cincinnati's offensive line with the 10th best pass protection in the league whereas they ranked 24th best in run blocking. Oddly enough, the team's rushing offense ranked ninth in the NFL and the passing offense ranked 26th.
Did we just vindicate the team's offensive line? I'll give them the benefit. I love linemen. It's my favorite part of football.
I honestly don't believe the problems facing the team's passing offense is resolved with one solution; a free agency pick up or a draft pick. Regardless, this team had issues with their passing game. Palmer struggled a lot throughout the season; whether by pressure, or anxiety, or simply making bad throws. At the same time, the only help he did receive was an outstanding rushing offense. In the end, the Bengals would be right to keep the identity of a rushing offense and a powerful defense. However, if this team wants to make a run in the playoffs next year with, you know, a win, they have to become much more efficient and productive in the passing offense.
| Receiver | Target | Receptions | Yards | TDs |
| Chad Ochocinco | 128 | 72 | 1,047 | 9 |
| Andre Caldwell | 80 | 51 | 432 | 3 |
| Laveranues Coles | 76 | 43 | 514 | 5 |
| Chris Henry | 23 | 12 | 236 | 2 |
| Quan Cosby | 6 | 4 | 55 | 0 |
| 313 | 182 | 2,284 | 19 |
| TE/RB | Receptions | Yards | TDs |
| Brian Leonard | 30 | 217 | 0 |
| J.P. Foschi | 27 | 260 | 2 |
| Cedric Benson | 17 | 111 | 0 |
| Daniel Coats | 16 | 150 | 0 |
| Jeremi Johnson | 6 | 41 | 0 |
| Bernard Scott | 5 | 67 | 0 |
| Larry Johnson | 3 | 4 | 0 |
| 104 | 850 | 2 |
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Passing issues
I think that the Passing attack was hampered by several things. !st I suspect that while Palmer’s am may be fine, he may not be 100% mentally, anoth offseason with a developing line may help.
With that I expect the line to be better next year. Andre Smith will get a full off season, Cook comes in a with a Year of experience and has faced 1/2 of the teams we will see next year. The line is young and has good depth.
We need to add a reciever to the mix. That receiver may be Purify, SImpson or a free agent. That said that receiver my be our 4th. Coles needs to go, he did not earn his money, and did not earn the 4.7 mil he is owed for next year. Caldwell was ok early on and will benefit from a year as the number 2 on the offseason. Cosby seemed over the last few weeks to work well in the slot, in that he made catches. Both Caldwell and Cosby caught the ball when thrown to, mostly. I don’t see how SImpson can’t be a 3/4 WR sent on deep routes. I would not use a high draft pick on a WR. I don’t see one worth it. I think that a decent receiver pick would be Eric Decker in the 4th round.
I would use a high pick on a complete TE to pair with Coffman and Foshi. Moeaki out of Iowa would be a great choice, especially in the 3rd round. Any of the top 5 TE would be a good choice, but I watched Moeaki a lot, living in Iowa, and he is a good, complete TE who can block and stretch the field.
I Iike our RBs to stay the same next year, with a late project/ PS guy picked in the 6th or 7th round, but should not impact the passing game. Leonard blocked well and made tough yards, Scott should be stronger next year, and could get some more screens or passes in the flat where we can get him 1 on 1. It would be nice if he can learn to work from the slot like Perry in 05.
Overall I am optimistic about the pasing game next year, even without much addition.
Carson has got alot of flack
And yes I agree it was an off year, and I think there are some obvious reasons for that, both in and out of his hands,but here are some interesting numbers hammered out by hobson on the bengals page…
“And how many accurate throws were dropped? According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the Bengals dropped 32 balls. If they catch them all, his completion percentage goes from 60.5 to 67.4, darn near his all-time best of 67.8 in ’05. OK, say they catch half. That puts him at 63.9, higher than his last Pro Bowl year of ’06 of 62.3.”
So yes, If they even catch half the passes, there is little to complain about. He may of missed some throws, but so does Manning, and he has a hell of alot more weapons, and way better schemes. So i think with some weapons, another offseason, Palmer will be back to form. Him being able to run a legitimate playfake in this offense would be deadly…Something he was unable to do because of his injury
24-13 Bengals over Jets....with a defensive or Special teams score........
what if
coles doesn’t fumble on that first possession. if caldwell didn’t fumble in san diego. if caldwell had caught a ball on the third down passes thrown his way against the jets. if chad had made a larry fitzgerald catch against the jets. carson may have been off at times and definitely not great against the jets but small recievers who can’t catch or hold on to the ball is a tough situation to work with. houshmandzadeh was big and would have converted some of those third downs against the jets.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 14, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
WR fumbles
were a major problem this year. Hopefully that will be addressed.
Coles contract?
Does anyone have details on Coles contract, if we cut him, is there a big cap penalty? I have a hard time imagining him getting faster next year.
Otherwise, if we draft a receiver in the 1st or 2nd rds, I think there is a good chance that either that guy, J. Simpson, or Coffman will be a productive player. If that happens and Caldwell/Cosby continue their development, and become respectable slot receivers, I think we can have a decent passing attack next year. Especially, if the O-line gets better at pass blocking.
Cap penalty
Unless a new Collective Bargaining agreement is signed there is no cap next year, and thus no cap hit.
If a new CBA is signed, I think the Cap hit is a resaonable 2.25 million, unless I misunderstand, that is a 2.5 million savings, 5 million vs the cap.
RE:
There’s no guarantee that the CBA will include caps either. One of the NFLPA’s positions is that if the existing CBA expires without an extension, then there will be no caps.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jan 14, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
This would be the best year to unload any overpriced / underproductive players we may have such as Coles and Geathers.
If each team does this, there may be a overflow of once overpaid players looking for work and half the price.
by smoormandiddy on Jan 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
ahem.. Graham.. cough..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 14, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't include Graham since he is an UFA already
…plus just typing his name right now gives me a nervous twitch.
by smoormandiddy on Jan 14, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't expect Geathers to be dumped yet
unless the team wants to pay Fanene and bring in another high DE pick.
I think they just resigned Fanene about a year ago...cheap too.
I could see them taking a DE between rounds 3-5. Geathers isn’t bad but he is def not worth the cash he is making.
by smoormandiddy on Jan 14, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Geathers’ nephew is in the draft this year, he’s 6’8". I’d laugh if we drafted him to replace Geathers.
by Sheffieldbengal on Jan 14, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
While that is true,
Once Tampa Bay and a few other teams dump salarires, I expect the cap to come back. Players are starting to realize that the Cap has a top and bottom, and it is overall advantageous to them.
yep
the system will play out and the league will be back to normal….hopefully
by smoormandiddy on Jan 14, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
PFT just said
That a Rookie pay scale may be in place for 2010 draft.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/14/league-proposes-immediate-changes-to-rookie-pay/
Something has to be said about the offensive play calling and schemes or player development because they are obvious factors as well. i don’t know how other teams can draft WRs and they just seem to do better than the Bengals. Collie and Garcon in Indy, Wallace in PIT, even Doucet in ARI and Edelman in NE in the playoffs stepped up for regulars Boldin and Welker. And of course, if you don’t think so just look at Schottenheimer’s plays in the Jets playoff game with his rookie QB and rookie RB. It’s not all on the players, dropped passes are part of the game and every team has them. Probably not as much as Coats … but nonetheless … haha.
Some counters
In Indy and Arizona, give credit to Manning and Warner, along with Fitzgerald and Wayne for the development of Doucet, Gacon and Collie. Those 2 teams have 2 of the 3 best QBs in the league and a legitimate #1 receiver.
Pit-Limas Sweed
NE, Edelman had one good 1/2 game. When Baltimore was able to game plan with him as a starter, it didn’t work.
The Bengals have drafted recievers who have worked. Ochocinco, Houshmazadeh, Henry. Caldwell is coming along.
As for Schottenheimer’s play calling, all I really saw that beat us badly was Using the play-action to the TE in a change of direction play, twice. They knew we were over playing the run. The Shonn Greene TD was no different than Bensons. In the end, we were a dropped TD, and 2 missed-but-makeable feild goals from winning. There were a lot of what ifs in the play-off game, especially injuries to Caldwell and Coles. They game was closer than the final score. We lost by but not by much.
biggest need
a wr or te who is big, fast, and…this is important…can catch the ball. and who doesn’t fumble.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 14, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions
Watchanything you can find on Moeaki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE4hMX5X4iA
guy an block, and should be available in the second round. A big Reason Iowa was an overtime loss away from a Big 10 title and why they went to and won the Orange Bowl.
I'm big on Moeaki
He is pretty much as complete of a TE as there is coming out of college.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Jan 14, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
You Gotta Play These Guys
Purify was a standout at Nebraska during rough years, but he kept them above water most tiimes. You hardly or didn’t see him.
Didn’t see Simpson at all after the 7th game waste of fan money to leave these boys on the bench when the need became kinda dire, They’re Wide Receivers, let them go catch!
WR coach should be put in a dark room and made to listen to Barry Manilow until next season.
Does Carson Palmer need glasses?
Minister of Great Legs
What are Coats Targets
I want a percentage lol it must be terrible
" I don't lie, I tell a different version of the truth."
by Purple City Middie on Jan 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST reply actions
HELPING THE OFENSIVE
PLEASE draft a athletic tightend in first round and make sure he is not brittle cut everyone else except FOSHI AND COFFMAN make Kelly a tightend coach, 2nd round O-LINE OR flip flop 1st and 2nd pick who cares, sign a veteran wideout A BIG TARGET NO ROOKIES PLEASE, The Bengals have three rookie wideouts to develope.THE 3RD Round on, all DEFENSIVE! NO running backs they have 4 legit backs. And three could be use to pound the ball BENSON, JOHNSON,LENORD. And scott good back but too small to pound the ball with, keep on special teams every now and then use Scott as a change of pace back. The Bengals have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball, get everyone healthy and they are a real legit contender in 2010.JUST use what U got keep it simple POUND THE BALL 50 TIMES A GAME BENSON 25 TO 30 Touches a game JOHNSON 20 TO 25 Touches a game, keep Lenard as 3rd down back and back up to BENSON AND JOHNSON, THIS will limit CARSON TO 20 TO 30 PASSING ATT A game. And anyone will know if the BENGALS are serious in 2010 by everyone on OFFENSIVE SHOWING UP FOR EARLY OFF SEASON WORKOUTS TO DEVELOPE CONTINUITY AS A OFFENSIVE TO BE SUCCESSFULL AS AN OFFENSIVE, THE DEFENSIVE WILL BE FINE AGAIN NOT GREAT BUT GOOD.

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