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Marvin Lewis wins AP Coach of the Year award

When coaches record an 11-5 season, an 8-8 season, a 7-9 season and a 4-11-1 season in four consecutive years, you can be assured that most of the time that coach is going to be fired. Furthermore, rarely are coaches allowed to rebuild a team a second time during his tenure. Lewis can thank Mike Brown, whose loyalty to his coaches is legendary, thanks to the observations of what happened to his own father by the Cleveland Browns.

Brown had every intention of giving Lewis another season, most likely allowing his contract to expire in a couple of seasons without having another uncomfortable meeting to fire a coach and promote Chris Harrington as the new Bengals head coach.

Having already experienced a rebuilding season, Lewis knew what needed to be done. He forced the offense to change their philosophy to a run-first offense. And after signing several veteran free agents and drafting a class of players that has to be one of his best, the Bengals swept the AFC North, won the division and made the playoffs.

As a result, the Associated Press wisely awarded Lewis with their Coach of the Year award. Other candidates notwithstanding, no coach in the NFL retooled their team in such a way that it remade personnel and philosophy.

Furthermore, Lewis had to take on a more challenging role of not just a head coach, but someone that helped players and everyone else grieve with the losses that this team faced this year. Heading into his eighth season, I believe Lewis is at the top of his coaching game. He knows how to rebuild a team within a season, knows what it takes to win in this division and handles players better now than he ever has. Now, if he can only win a playoff game, if not make the Super Bowl, Lewis would have to be considered one of the greatest Bengals coaches of all-time.

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Ya for real!!!! He deserves it!!!! Taking a 4-11-1 team and turning it into a 10-6 team, he deserves it!!! Season didn’t end how we wanted it to, but overall it was a good season!!! I think we’ll do better next year and finally get are first playoff win!!!! WHO DEY!!!!

by BradKellerDA on Jan 16, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

our first playoff win?

I think we have won a playoff game before… I think you mean Marvin’s first playoff win…I hope.

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

our not are

lol

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats Marv, you deserve it.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Jan 16, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Well deserved.

And to think some people were calling for his head a week ago, haha.

by Jaegner on Jan 16, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

still are

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Deserved

Marvin is a great assessor of talent and character. He’s an incredibly good motivator. He used those strengths to get the most out of a good, not great team this year. For this, he deserves the award.
That said, Marvin knows how to coach a team, he does not know how to coach a game. His clock management and in-game strategy decisions are abysmal. I’d like to see some of that responsibility moved onto Carson’s shoulders next year.

by driff on Jan 16, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

+2 God, he is so right!!

 It seems that when Carson is calling the shots, on the field, he’s on target. When listening to Brat and his play calling, he sucks…
Look at all of the come backs that happened this year. It was the no huddles and the audibles that Carson was calling at the line, during the 4th quarters.
I hate to bring ths up but, just think what Marvin can do if he gets his own OC in here. Marvin finally got Zim in . What about an OC, the one that he wants?
Somebody that MB doesn’t have a thumb on…
It’ll probably never happen though.

by WHYUS!! on Jan 16, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I won’t say never. But it will take something massive — a preponderance of evidence, let’s say — to get through Mikey’s neutronium skull.

Oh and Marv was able to get Zimmer because defense is his background, and I’m pretty sure Chucky was his own hire in the first place. That’s why he was able to get rid of him and get who he wanted to replace him.

by FriarBob on Jan 16, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if Marvin can convince MB that hiring a new

OC is his own Idea. Marv is kinda of good at that.
(cross fingers)

by WHYUS!! on Jan 17, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Just so you know Marvin tried to hire Hue before this season and demote Brat (believe it or not)

But mike Brown wasnt going for it, he wasnt going to pay a QB or WR coach OC money and another OC at the same time
This was tweeted by John Thornton and Willie Anderson who might know more than me about the situation
But when Brats contract is up…..look for him to be gone

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's that waiting game that gets me.

Brat doesn’t deserve to stay and MB is a fool for not firing him. That is where ML needs to push the issue more. If he can’t use this years offensive struggles as fire power to get rid of Brat, then we are doomed for next season too.
It’s time to put together a team that is good on offense and defense for once. Not one or the other. I’m tired of this shit of MB. Then again, it does seem like he’s changing a little though.

by WHYUS!! on Jan 17, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

OK I can see being a cheapskate like that. I really do understand not wanting to pay two coaches. But it’s not like the coaches contracts are not renegotiable. Call Brat in and work something out. Maybe he would take a pay cut in yearly amount to get extra years on his contract as the new WR coach or something.

by FriarBob on Jan 17, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I really feel we need Brat gone.

He will never do that and if he did he would really be disgruntle. If you were demoted like that, wouldn’t you be?
It prolly would cause the team more harm than good. (Look at the Bresnahan situation) MB needs to just cut his loss instead of trying to make up his loss by keeping him on the payroll.(cheapskate) Just like every other freakin owner, that makes bonehead decisions and don’t want to admit it. At least the other owners tries to make up for them decisions. Well most of them…

by WHYUS!! on Jan 17, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

IF he would truly be as good a WR coach as people think he would, and IF he’s staying at least in part because of a close relationship to Mikey, then it might work out after all.

I’m not saying it would. You’re probably right. But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible either.

by FriarBob on Jan 17, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

true, Them are big IF's though

I think he would feel betrayed by MB if they did this or even asked to do this.

by WHYUS!! on Jan 17, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yea the thing about Breshnahan was he wasnt getting payed all that much

so it wasnt that big a loss to fire him and continue to pay his contract, Brat on the other hand is getting payed much more and that is the reason Marvin is still here, he dont want to pay a coach when he is not here anymore coaching. I dont know how good a relationship Mikey has with Brat (and Marvin) but im sure that has something to do with why he is keeping him (them)

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

and The fans were really calling for Breshnahan's job

even more then what we are about Brat right now, I think the more we complain the more Mike will hear that, and I think if we had stayed on Mike about a GM we would have one. Because after all the WDR stuff I remember that we had inquired about one or interviewed one, I cant remember who but wasnt it like the seattle guy or somebody? I do remember he hadn’t had that much success, just dont remember who it was

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We call for Brats job just as much...

MB is a lot closer to Brat than Bres.
As for a GM, We the fans and the WDR, have been on him very hard this year and last, if not harder than any other years past. I sat threw all of the 90’s shit and sat in the stands with a paper bag on my head, with a sign saying hire a GM (they were free tickets though) and still nothing, no GM. I learned to accept MB’s ways, but hope and I am still going to Bitch, a lot, and hope he does hear me, and you!

by WHYUS!! on Jan 18, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yea you never saw Chucky coach another NFL team

just like brat wont coach another NFL team, maybe they can join forces in the UFl and have a Bengals minor league team lol

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

UFL

Bratkowski you belong their

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

i wouldnt say abysmal

theres some things to criticize, but overall he does a good job in game.

by cokane on Jan 17, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

wow I dont know about that

he blows timeouts and challenges all the time

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my point

But actually an even bigger point is how the Bengals SUCKED in the third quarter and have for most of his tenure. Not only do the Bengals not make adjustments but they have given up some big 2nd half comebacks like to San Diego at home a couple of years ago that was embarrassing.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 17, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

you are right we always do have a crappy 3rd

I dont know what he does at halftime but it doesnt work

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I'll go against the flow.

I don’t think he deserved it. We lucked out in the draft, Zimmer came along and fixed the defense for him (yeah, Marvin is likely the main reason he’s here, but Marvin was likely the reason we kept Bresnahan so long, as well), and we still haven’t won a playoff game. The clock management/in-game decisions issue is a dead horse, and we’re still stuck with Bratball, which may very well be Marvinball. Plus, we’ve been trying to rebuild the o-line since ‘06, when Braham went down. We’re halfway there (good run-blocking, bad pass-blocking), but I think that, in that amount of time, you should be able to get all the way there.

If we were a really bad team, I could see this. But we have the personnel for a top-five defense and an elite running game. If you have those two things, you should be able to win games more definitively and be more than one-and-done in the postseason.

Don’t laugh—and I’m sorry for the cliche—but I actually see this is a sign of disrespect. “Oh, look at what Marvin did with those poor old Bengals!” Um, no, the players are pretty good (though we obviously need help at G, WR, and S), it’s the coaching that’s questionable.

by Big Sky Bengal on Jan 16, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Have you forgotten about the tragedy of this year? While I agree that Marvin makes questionable in game decisions he also kept the team focused and motivated through everything that has happened. No other team went through anything like that this season and our boys are united and stronger from it because of Marvin and his leadership.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 16, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't forget.

He’s good at holding things together, yes. He’s also reasonably good at identifying talent in the draft and in cheaper free agency. And, he has the ability to deal with our, um, unique team situation (incompetent owner, fickle fans, some sort of psychological curse afflicting the franchise).

But, despite all that, I feel that the bad outweighs the good. I don’t think we could get a better coach, though, so I don’t mind keeping him…that much.

by Big Sky Bengal on Jan 17, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

so then you mean the good outweighs the bad right?

I do think we could get a better coach….alot better

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

we did have tradgedies

but after Chris’s death I think we only won one game, so no he didnt keep them focused and those were some of the worst games in terms of lack of concentration

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Marvin Lewis Coach of the Year - unexpected to most.

5 other coaches easily come to mind before Lewis for this honor. However, given his leadership the title is rightfully his. check out this great piece http://thesportsthought.com/?p=141 on why it’s not always about football.

by Tim Cintolo on Jan 16, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

"Loyalty" to coaches?

Are you kidding me?

Mikey Effing Brown is a stubborn old cheapskate mule! He doesn’t have loyalty to anything but greenbacks. He got Lewis cause he was willing to work for less, and accept dumb-ass dictates like keeping offensive coaches from previous failed staffs. After Lewis produced mediocrity which is way better than previous failures, he looks like a saint. But that’s only because of LOW STANDARDS!

In reality Lewis is a horrible game day manager, and his team is notoriously undisciplined on the field (penalties) and off (crimes). He would not be hired anywhere else when he’s done in Cincy. Like David Shula. We know who the real geniuses were of the Baltimore Ravens defense — and it wasn’t coach Lewis.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

O-line penalties, while annoying, are a product of a very young and inexperienced line. They should be better next year..

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 17, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

every week we said...

oh they will fix it by next week but never really did
I hope you are right, we cant afford to have all those stupid penalties next year or we are back to 2008 all over again

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Lewis deserves this award.
In reality Lewis is a horrible game day manager, and his team is notoriously undisciplined on the field (penalties) and off (crimes).

Are you insinuating that Marvin Lewis is responsible for off the field behavior of his players? That’s completely ludicrous. The Bengals had a great year, considering the turn-around from last year and the fact the Bengals are one of the youngest teams in the league. Lewis absolutely deserves this award and the Bengals have a brighter future with him as a head coach than any other idiot Mike Brown decides to hire.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Jan 17, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

to add to your point

if marvin is responsible for off the field behavior then tomlin is responsible for jeff reed’s arrests, dungy/caldwell is responsible for marvin harrison, coughlin for plaxico, etc.

it’s called personal responsibility. i learned it when i was a kid.

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Jan 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know

it does seem like he turned it around, outside looking in it would seem that way. But I would say its more of Zimmer turned the defense around and Benson got us to the playoffs. I wouldn’t give Marvin as much credit as you are. He is horrible at managing the games (Timeouts/Challenges/end of half trying to get points). I would give most of the Credit to the players and Zimmer, but Marvin gets the trophy and it just makes his job that much safer, how could MB fire the coach of the year? If Zimmer is promoted after next season hire Leslie Frazier as DC if he hasn’t got a HC job by then.

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not taking anything away from Zim, but ML is the guy that brought Zim in, and he’s the one that has changed the mentality of this organization. It’s not Brat, it’s not Zim, it’s not Brown … it’s Lewis.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Jan 18, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Zimmer wins the award

Lewis gets the credit

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 16, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Yeah. No kidding. He is who really should have won it.

by FriarBob on Jan 16, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

John Thornton tweeted:
(that before this season, Marvin Lewis wanted to demote Bratkowski and hire Hue Jackson as OC, but Mike Brwon wouldnt have it)

Im paraphrasing but thats about exactly it

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 16, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Good to know

he’s at least fighting the good fight.

by Jaegner on Jan 16, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Well if they don’t have a better offense after the next season, maybe Mikey will finally listen.

Hey, with this franchise sometimes you have to just hope for baby steps.

by FriarBob on Jan 16, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

funny, i was actually saying to my ol’ lady this morning that the best thing for this team would be to fire mike sheppard, demote bratkowski to receivers coach (which he’d be excellent for), and bring in hue jackson as oc. no wonder i like marvin.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Jan 16, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

why should he? look what a terrible job zampese’s done as qb coach lately.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Jan 17, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Love them Bengals

I have been a 25 year diehard Bengal fan. The playoff game was a total letdown but congrats to Lewis. Well done this year it was a great improvement over last year and I hold my head high as a fan. I have no doubt we will continue on the right path and build on this years success. Its always been hard being a Bengals fan but i wouldnt have it any other way. I’m looking forward to next year. WHO-DEY!!!!!!!

by 25yearbengals fan on Jan 16, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Of those 25 years the Bengals absolutely

stunk for 21 of them. 19 years without a playoff win. 8 years for Mr “coach of the year” without a playoff win. In other cities you’d get run out of town.

I’ve been a Bengals fan for 36 years. Mike Brown is a bastard scum for ruining this team and taking money from the taxpayers for a crappy product.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 17, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

yea how many other teams would have kept Marvin in as head coach?

after 8 seasons without a playoff win

How many teams would have kept Brat after 2 seasons of dismal offense?
Didnt the Chiefs fire their OC in training camp?

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

plus, I still think if Charlie Weiss wouldnt have been so impatient and signed with the Chefs

Brown would have made a serious offer at him after the playoff “run” we had

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

if you think that, then you really don’t understand how mike brown operates.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Jan 17, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

who really does?

we only know what he’ll do if you have a contract.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jan 17, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

weis would be a very high-priced offensive coordinator, probably wanting more than our current head coach makes. does anybody really believe mikey would spend that kind of money?

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Jan 17, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I do understand how he works (kinda)

but im going by my gut and saying he would have made an offer at him, Kinda like nobody thought we would make an offer to vick? but we did. We should try and sign him this year to! It would be awesome if we had him now to compete with Palmer and use him as a backup, and it would help our not so creative OC get creative

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I turned 26 yesterday

my first football memory was getting beat by the niners in the Super Bowl (the second time) and the next season my dad bought us season tix, I went to every game until we had to move to Tenn in 96 and I still try and make at least 2 games a year. We have sucked for a long time so it makes it so much sweeter when we win. But for those of you that live in the Tri-state area it aint that bad, I represent the bengals hard (Shirts, hats, bumperstickers, etc) and I get to hear all the crap from people at work and friends because their are not very many Bengal fans down here that why I like being on here so much with you guys, you guys are like my football family :’)

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to give Mike Brown my money

but not any more. I’m officially in the boycott camp until they hire a real GM.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 17, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont give it directly to him

I get my tix from stubhub ;)

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel ya Tenn

I’m in Minnesota, and when I wear my 85 jersey, I get all sorts of crap. This website is my haven from God-awful Vikings fans.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Jan 18, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea then you know how it is

but I will always represent my boys win or lose
+ big ups to Walt Jocketty for signing the Cuban fireballer

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I will take everything bad I said about Lewis and say he deserved the award if....

….he lives up to the quote I have in my new fanpost. go check it out I think you will like what he said, im almost sure of it!!! I’m really excited now!! WhoDey! I cant wait for free agency then the draft im already pumped wow!!

But he still has to learn how to use timeouts/challenges and get his team right for the 3rd quarters of games (which we have been horrible)

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by TennBengalfan on Jan 18, 2010 4:13 AM EST reply actions  

the jets

just sent the chargers home early too. the game had a lot in common with last weeks. maybe the bengals finished poorly because they were playing some tough opposition. the jets may be better than many of us thought. and rex ryan is certainly looking like the real coach of the year. if they get to the super bowl and he isn’t coach of the year?

by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 18, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not. But if they do reach the super bowl, then Caldwell is definitely the goat of the year.

by FriarBob on Jan 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

trade idea

shankapottamus for the ned keading. they would be on notice but the hatred would get left in cincy and san diego.

by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 18, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

Actually there is some history to this idea!

The Bengals dumped Chris Bahr, who ended up kicking for the World Champion Rayduhs, and signed Oakland’s Jim Breech, who almost was Super Bowl MVP. (They were not traded for each other; rather the Raiders waived Breech to sign Bahr, and the Bengals countered by signing Breech)

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 18, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Baby T.O aka. Brandon Marshall to Bengals?

It was on the rumor page on ESPN. This might be a pipe dream, what do y’all think?

by sgiridharan1982 on Jan 18, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Seems difficult to believe.

But good if they can get him for less than his value due to Denver’s unhappiness with him.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 18, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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