Bengals Mock Draft
by patrick6h on Jan 30, 2010 1:14 AM EST
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Over at MockingtheDraft.com I have been part of a 32 person 7 round draft, here are the results for are Bengals I took.
In the draft i traded away our 2nd round pick for Oaklands 3rd(from Patriots), 4th, and 5th. Also we were able to sign 3 undrafted FAs.
1st Round(21 Overall): Damian Williams, WR, USC
The Bengals need a WR, badly, Williams is an answer to our problems, he played in a pro-style offence at USC, has good speed, and is great route runner. Has some of the best hands in the draft and can add some bulk to make him a more physical reciever.
3rd Round(84 Overall): Darrell Stuckey, SS, Kansas
Stuckey is a big hitter , good in pass coverage, andhas quick feet for the blitz. With Roy Williams contract up look for Stuckeyto compete for the starting job our alternate with Ndukwe.
3rd Round(85 Overall): Danario Alexander, WR, Missouri
Although we already got Williams i felt we need a deep ball threat at 6'5" 215lbs., Alexander could be what Chris Henry was. All our recievers were better when teams had to worry about Carson going deep to Henry, and I feel it could be Palmer to Alexander for years to come.
4th Round(103 Overall): John Jerry, OG, Ole Miss
With Bobbie Williams a pending FA and getting up in age the Bengals need to line someone up for the future, Jerry has that potentional. He is a monster at anywhere from 325lbs to 350lbs, and with our offence big O-Linemen are a plus. Has been one of the better lineman at the Senior Bowl and has supposdley droped weight to devolp him between RG or RT.
4th Round(117 Overall): Anthony McCoy, TE, USC
If you watched any Bengals football you know the TE is our biggest problem, even though I rate McCoy as the 4th best TE, the other were all off the board before my pick in the 2nd round which is why I traded down. McCoy has great hands and is perfect for the short passing game, although he struggles with blocking, which hurts his value.
5th Round(134 Overall): Dan Lefevour, QB, Central Michigan
The Bengals back-up QB situation is not pretty with O'Sullivan not being a young player and Jordan looking like a career emergency back-up QB the Bengals need a legitimate #2 or someone to challenge Carson. Lefevour is a threat with arm or leg, he has to learn a pro-style offence and did fairly well in the Senior Bowl practice this week.
5th Round(148 Overall): Alterraun Verner, CB, UCLA
Other than the one play vs. Oakland, Morgan Trent was pretty solid this year, however we need another young CB to bolster our secondary with David Jones pretty much gone. Verner is excellent in zone coverage but acceptable in man, played in all 51 games in his 4 seasons at UCLA and ws captain this past season.
6th Round (181 Overall): Geno Atkins, DT, Georgia
Atkins is a bit undersized for a DT 6'1", 290 which could cause him to move to DE. Also he is more of a pass rusher rather than a run stopper, but if he were to bulk up he could be good back-up/situational player for us.
7th Round(212 Overall): Antonio Coleman, OLB/DE, Auburn
Coleman can play multiple positions on defence he is essentially Rey Maualuga as a player who can blow up the FB and allow players like Rivers and Jones to make the tackle. He can play 4-3 or 3-4, and if he gains weight can go on the D-Line.
Undrafted FreeAgents
Reggie Carter, ILB, UCLA
Dhani Jones type player, not one great area but many good ones, great runner stopper, and does have pass coverage experience from his time as an OLB.
Cord Howard, OL, Georgia Tech
Big Linemen who is most likely to be a guard, very strong but needs to work on his quickness from the first step to be valued higher.
Terrell Skinner, FS, Maryland
Quality FS who was looked down upon because of Maryland weak D this season could rise up into the 4th with good combine could compete with Tom Nelson for the backup FS spot.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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Not sure how much I like Damien Williams yet, but this draft adressed our needs
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
Great draft if
We can’t address any of our offensive needs in FA. I don’t want to put our struggling offense in the hands of rookies next year.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Jan 30, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
right
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
by Joe Goodberry on Jan 30, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Pipe Dreams!
This mock is just that, a MOCK of what a mock is supposed to be! Of COURSE it looks good! Why? Because its a pipe dream! Verner , Atkins, Coleman & Skinner will all be drafted higher than projected in this mock. Carter & Howard will not make it to undrafted status either! Put that glass pipe down, go back & look at some TiVo, & come back with better material from a REALISTIC point of view!
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
not bad
If we fail to address needs on offence in free agency, this wouldn’t be a bad outcome.
Agree with the above comment on Williams. I’m presuming Earl Thomas was off the board by #21 in this mock draft.
Warning: Biased Analysis Alert
I like the idea of drafting a project QB in the later rounds. However, as my handle indicates, I’ve seen John Skelton really sling it and he could be a great pickup in the later rounds. From what I’ve read, LeFevour doesn’t have the arm needed to make throws and I don’t see much upside.
Williams would be a nice first round pick and I think he’d be a greater asset than Golden Tate, as some other mock drafts have indicated. Quan has the potential to be a clutch slot receiver and I don’t see us getting much more out of Tate than that. Heck, if we can pick up Alexander in the later rounds, we may not even need to spend a first rounder on a WR and simply go for the best TE available.
Safety Alert
I agree we need a receiver but I think Safety is a by far a bigger need in the 1st round. With the subpar performance at Senior Bowl practices Taylor Mays may fall into our lap and that would be huge; just like Rey fell last year. Add Taylor to Rey And Keith our USC tradition would continue…He is a Huge hitter and much younger than Crocker or Roy Williams. I think we can upgrade receiver in round 2.
I'm just wondering...
What are the chances of Cincy trading back into the draft? I would love to see them trade with like the a team like San Diego( who might be wanting Jahvid Best out of UCLA) for their 1st and third and using those picks to take Marty Gilyard(1st round-WR-Cincy) and Mitch Pertus(3rd roundOG-Arkansas). is this possible?
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
really depends who is on the board , mike brown has traded back before look at the 04 draft, but even if u dont like any WRs in the first round i have a feeling they will atleast take Gresham
I really don't want to draft another TE
That would just admit that Coffman is a complete bust. I say we let Coats, Sherry( FAIL), and Kelly( let’s move on) go and sign a blocking TE in free agency and keep JP Foschi asa backup
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
But if they do think Chase is a bust
Shouldn’t they be drafting a TE? I’d rather them draft a TE than not, IF they think Chase is a bust. Admitting that earlier rather than later is a good thing.
Also, if TE is BPA, I’m not against them taking one either. Even, if Chase isn’t a bust, having two solid TEs will help the team more than stretching on a pick for a non-TE.
by AB on Jan 30, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I just think
We shouldn’t draft one ear;y. 5-7 is a good area
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
our boy just got him in the 4th round
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 31, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Good picks
I like trading down for more picks… It would be good to compile a lot of offensive weapons in this draft
Draft Talk
Outside of Bryant, there is no clear cut first round WR….Benn, Lefell, Gilyard, Williams, Thomas, Tate are all at around the same level and not much more enticing than the WR’s expected to go after them. At that rate, you might as well wait until round 2 or 3 or later to draft a receiver this year. The Bengals should try and sign a free agent WR, although I don’t see the Bengals making any drastic moves in free agency this year considering the cba problems.
As far as tight ends go, Gresham is coming off a severe injury and Hernandez has the same blocking troubles as Coffman. So what would be the point in drafting either of them in round 1?
I would like to see the team draft for defense in round 1 especially. In my opinion an ideal pick would be either Brian Price, Brandon Graham, Jason Pierre-Paul or Earl Thomas. I also would not mind Dan Williams, Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffin or Taylor Mays. Any of these guys would help the defense improve NEXT YEAR.
Otherwise, I would like to see the team add an offensive lineman in round 1 such as Iupati, Bulaga, or Bruce Campbell.
It can never hurt to bolster the lines. I don’t want to waste a first round pick on a receiver or tight end who will likely not produce for years especially considering that the receiver position is very complex. The receivers graded at the end of round 1 do not stand out as instant producers.
by bengal fan from new york on Jan 31, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions
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To say that Benn, Lafell, Gilyard, Williams, Thomas, and Tate are at the same level is a little farfetched. At pick #21, we are in an ideal position to take either Lafell or Williams, considering that Bryant is probably gone. Those two are DEFINITELY mid to late 1st round material. Any team who takes them will not be disappointed. Gilyard, Thomas, Benn, and Tate are all 2nd to 3rd round material.
Anyone in here who doesn’t think that wide receiver is our number one need is delusional. The passing game was by far our worst feature as a team last season. And the only thing to blame is lack of quality receivers.
I agree with not drafting Gresham or Hernandez but I disagree with your inclination towards drafting a DE in the 1st. I don’t think it’s a priority as we have quality players there. The only position I would draft in the 1st if it isn’t wide receiver is safety and defensive tackle. I don’t like Mays because he’s over aggressive and he’s not that good a coverage safety, which I think is a what we need. As for DT, Terrance Cody would be a great pick.
I would absolutely not draft Iupati, as he struggles in pass protection which is what we need as opposed to run protection. Any other guard is not worth of a 1st round pick.
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Yes WR is our biggest need, but...
WRs almost never produce in the first 2 seasons. So drafting one in the 1st round is pointless , when this team is close to making a playoff run. We dont need a first round guy. We need a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round guy that can stretch the field. Give me a Mike Wallace or Mike Thomas or Austin Collie in the middle rounds.
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by Joe Goodberry on Jan 31, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
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Forget about 1st round WR jinxes. You truly have to look at the athletic ability of the guy. If what your team needs is a WR, then you get the best guy available with your 1st pick, unless there is absolutely nobody worth it. In my mind, there are a couple well worth it.
You say Mike Wallace or Austin Collie? I say Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell. We can go down the list of WR failures in any round, from 1st to 7th.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
Caldwell is not a failure
For every good 1st round WR you name, ill name you a 2nd or 3rd round WR
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I really don't care to argue with you.
Bottom line is we need a star WR, and Marvin Lewis should be wise about taking one in the 1st round if Lafell or Williams are available.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
why do you think Lafell and Willaims are 1st rounders?
so far they dont look like 1st rounders to more people than just me
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
lafell isn't
but i’ve seen williams going in a ton of 1st round mocks. you have to realize he was playing with a true freshman QB and they lost their star HB as well when johnson went down in the weight room. he’s largely considered to be the best route runner and has the best hands. He also has the right technique as he catches the ball away from his body. i’d be fine with williams.
RIP Slim.
umm.....
Jeremy Maclin,Desean Jackson and crabtree had an ok year even though the hold out took a carp on his rookie season. And lets not half ass it and wait till the mid rounds. WR is a must and we shuld take A GUY LIKE marty gilyard who has playmaking ability with every touch of the ball.
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
a guy with off the field problems?
Gilyard scares me, he hung around with Chris Henry, He admitted to selling weed in high school. He looked high at the senior bowl.
Ill wait until he runs at the combine. Unlike most of you, im not from the cincinnati area, so im not biased towards any college player. Our best team is University at Buffalo. (very few prospects)
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Agree to Disagree
When have the Bengals been known to draft for need in round 1? They will take the best available player and at 21, the best available player will likely not be a WR. Williams is a solid route runner with good hands, but he was injury prone early in his college career and is not a tall, deep threat that the Bengals need. If you watched him this year, he was thrown a ton of screen passes which is something the Bengals do not do on offense. His only deep catches were wide open throws when the game was not in contention anymore. As for Lafell, he’s got mediocre hands at best. He drops very catchable balls and didn’t get the ball thrown to him that often as it was. He is tall and can go long but his speed might be an issue if he doesn’t run under a 4.5. In my opinion neither of those guys are better than Hakeem Nicks or Jeremy Maclin who were late first round to early second.
Mays is a risk, but he is valued much higher than 21 which cannot be said for Williams and Lafell and under the guidance of Coyle and Zimmer he can blossom in our secondary. Roy Williams is not a cover safety and he was a pro-bowler under Zimmer. Mind you, Roy was much more polished coming out of college, but Mays has better physical tools.
I like Cody but he has a much bigger eating problem than Andre Smith and we do not need another 1st rounder with weight problems.
by bengal fan from new york on Feb 1, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
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When have the Bengals been known to draft for need in round 1?
Are you serious?
What’s wrong with Nicks or Maclin? Lafell has mediocre hands? Wow, you’ve been watching a different Lafell then.
Mays is a younger version of Roy, why would we want two Roy’s? Take a look at Reshad Jones for example in the 2nd, that would be an amazing pick. That guy can cover and tackle.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
who said we are keeping Roy?
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
even if we do
he doesn’t have many more years in him. why not take a roy williams with speed and have him be the safety of the future while he learns with veterans and isn’t rushed. not to mention, look at some of the players in the secondary that we’ve made into players.
RIP Slim.
So much for mediocre hands, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtix6FfAKuA&feature=related
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Don’t show me a player’s HIGHLIGHT reel and tell me that you are seeing a different player. Let me show you Darius Heyward Bey’s highlight reel and you will probably see the best receiver in the league. Highlight reels show only a player’s BEST plays!!!!! They NEVER show his miscues.
Go read up on LSU. If there is one criticism that Lafell gets with the analysts and with LSU fans themselves is that although he is there best receiver and puts up respectable stats (5 catches a game) he has a tendency to DROP the ball too much especially when it comes to catchable balls. Hence the nickname Brandon “LaDROP” with many LSU fans.
As for Mays, Roy Williams is a free agent, so we would not have both of them. I don’t care when a safety gets taken. If we take Jones or Cook or Stuckey in later rounds that is fine. But with the 21st pick I would rather have Mays who has tremendous upside then the projected available wide receivers.
If the Bengals trade down to later in the first round and pick up some late round picks then I would welcome a Williams, Lafell or Tate.
by bengal fan from new york on Feb 1, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Lafell has a lot of upside
You can get better at catching but you can’t teach speed. why don’t we just wait for his pro day to judge him?
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
Dude, nobody said he was guarantee.
But that’s how coaches and scouts evaluate players, by watching highlight reels. Obviously that’s a "positive’ highlight reel and there must be many that show him drop some balls. But you can’t tell me the guy doesn’t have the potential to go 21st, 1st round, of the NFL draft. I believe he does.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
dont you find it strange that most people disagree with your arguements?
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Most people? You mean you and "bengal fan from new york"
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
How about browsing countless mock drafts and telling me what position they have us drafting in the 1st.
How about this same post that has us drafting a WR in the 1st?
It seems to me that you guys are the minority.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
I never said we shouldnt take a WR in the 1st round
you just seem so sure that Williams or Lafell will cure our passing woes. They will be rookies, both juniors, both didnt cath a ton of balls in college. and we dont know how fast either of them will run yet.
So lets not name them our targets just yet.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen plenty of mocks selecting defense
In fact, ESPN has the Bengals drafting TE in one and DT in another. If Coffman and Simpson do not pan out as expected then I do believe that two of the biggest areas of “need” are WR and TE, however when it comes to the draft there is no reason to reach for a need when you can draft a player that can “immediately” help and add depth.
My point is this, and it’s nothing new, the Bengals defense is obviously the team’s strength. Why not improve upon it? Granted, the offense needs help, but that is an area that should be addressed via free agency. You can sign a veteran that can play immediately. Coles did not work out as expected but if he doesn’t get cut, he can build upon his playoff performance which besides the fumble was very respectable. Everyone was calling for Jerome Simpson last year, where has that talk gone? Give Simpson, Coles and Caldwell another offseason to get familiar with Palmer, add Coffman to the mix, a veteran free agent, and 2 or 3 mid to late round draft picks and you have plenty of options to go around.
Meanwhile, the defense becomes that much better by drafting a Brian Price, Taylor Mays, Brandon Graham, Dan Williams, or Carlos Dunlap, and hopefully it can win games on its own. The defense was top notch last year but It was obvious that when certain players (Peko, Odom, Crocker) went down the defense was not the same.
Despite what others might say about the offense, I see enough talent at the WR position to at least be able to move the ball, especially with the running game that the Bengals have. Regardless of how I feel about Bratkowski, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will at least adjust the playbook (play action, quick slants) to correspond with the strengths of the WRs. Given that and another offseason under their belts, I think they can produce. As for a deep threat, why has everyone (including Bratkowski) forgotten that Ocho is a deep threat that can stretch the field.
Just sayin’
by bengal fan from new york on Feb 1, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I totally agree with the philosophy of build the O through free agency and continue to build defense through the draft.
I agree with all except,
with Ocho being a deep threat, well, he is when not double teamed and when he has somebody like TJ and/or Henry opposite him.
Take them away, then you get, well, 09’. Ocho was good but could’ve been better with that help.
you hit the nail on the head
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
sure did
" I don't lie, I tell a different version of the truth."
by Purple City Middie on Feb 1, 2010 11:31 PM EST reply actions
DRAFT
The Bengals have a definite need at WR to compete next year. However, they shouldn’t draft a WR, since they almost always don’t fill the need in the first couple of years in the league. Sure, drafting a WR in the first will create great depth 3 years from now, but competing next year is the goal. Signing a WR FA is a MUST… along with resigning Reggie Kelly, who should be very very inexpensive coming off an injury. He is a great asset for the entire offense, by blocking and being a reliable safety valve for Carson. Ideally, drafting a safety in the first round would fill a hole, while drafting a low risk position. The second round would be a good time to draft a G since the top 3 of the position may still be available. Bobby Williams is older, a free agent, and always been suspect at pass blocking. The third and fourth rounds could provide great value for high risk/high reward WRs and TEs. This would be a good time to draft them since you don’t use a first or second round “play now pick” on an unpredictable position but could still provide some kind of occasional threat. For later rounds, do you draft a FB, since Fui lacks intensity and Jeremi Johnson gets fat… also, do you draft or sign a kicker?… undrafted FA maybe?…. finally, cut Daniel Coats and erase his phone number.
hmm...
I think this draft has a lot of ‘decent’ receivers (Tate, Benn, Williams, LaFell,etc…) that it makes no sense to reach for one in round 1, when you can get an equally good in in round 2.
Do we really need to draft a TE who can catch but can’t block in Anthony McCoy? We already took one of those last year in Chase Coffman (who is a better receiver than McCoy). I don’t get that pick at all.
But on the bright side, i like the idea of getting a guard (Williams may go, and the Mathis/Livings combo is servicable, but not special). And taking a qb to sit & groom behind Palmer is a good thing to pursue – assuming they can select a good qb, and don’t pull a A Smith, D Klingler, J Rowe, C Bramlette type pick.
mccoy is one of the best blocking TE in the country
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 10, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
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