Bengals Banter: Wildcard Week
I'm really confused this morning as the national media types are trying to give analysis of last night's laugher in New York. James Walker, in particular, seems to be putting a lot of stock into last night's result. So does John Clayton, who wrote in his AFC Playoff Preview that both teams can use the same game plan next week, reducing the potential impact that a short week of preparation could have. I don't know why any self-respecting football fan would think the Bengals would use the same gameplan, but they pay Clayton the big bucks. ESPN's senior football guy also thinks that the Chargers and Colts will be untouchable, despite both teams' historic struggles in the post-season.
Here are some other interesting stories from around the web.
- James Walker wonders if the AFC North playoff teams can make some noise in the playoffs. Since they won't butt heads until the AFC Championship Game at the earliest, the division's representatives have the potential to wreck havoc in the playoffs.
- CNati's Jerry Beach writes that the Bengals essentially surrendered to the Jets. With the guys we had inactive, I'm inclined to agree. But as Chad Ochocinco pointed out, "There's no trickery they can add to their game plan. We know their offensive and defensive scheme. It just comes down to executing the plays."
- Joe Reedy clarifies the playoff picture for us. This article reminded me that if the Ravens upset the Patriots, they'll be the team going to Indy in round 2, not the Bengals.
- Chick Ludwig continues to be hillarious in his old age. He believes that the Bengals tried really hard last night and got their butts kicked anyway, and will be one-and-done. Nevermind that 4 starters never played, the Bengals never used an unbalanced line or tried to establish the run, and that the defensive gameplan was vanilla and backup-laden. I understand being upset about a loss, but that doesn't mean you have to give into senility.
- Clark Judge correctly points out that the Bengals didn't have much to play for. He also says some mumbo jumbo about stopping that wide receiver the Jets lined up at QB and the Bengals let run it up the middle for many yards. They played like they didn't care. You may disagree - the third seed would be nice, I guess (but the Patriots are 1-6 on the road, so they'll lose before we could have another home game anyhow), but the tell-tale sign for me was the benching of Cedric Benson. If he's not playing when he could be playing, they're mailing it in.
What was your take on the game last night? Do you think the Bengals gave it their best effort?
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I think
the Bengals obviously didn’t give it their best effort, for the reasons outlined in this post. Benson wasn’t on the field, the Bengals didn’t try to establish the run like they’ve been preaching all year, and some key defensive starters (particularly run defense) were rested. Heck, even on 3rd and 1 they went shotgun spread formation. So I think things will be much different next week.
That being said, I am “concerned” at how badly things went. Lots of dropped passes, both lines got pushed around, and a win of that magnitude has to have injected some confidence into the Jets.
Ultimately, I think if the Bengals pound the ball with Benson, stack the box, trust the corners, throw a few blitzes in, and contain the wildcat, then they should have no problems.
I agree that the Bengals didn't want to show much
However, the starting O-line flat out got abused by the Jets. That makes me worry.
As long as Peko is healthy, the abuse of the d-line that happened last night shouldn’t repeat itself.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Not their best effort...
but:
1. 3 or 4 players won’t make up for 37 points
2. Has the passing game been mailing it in all year or was last night just more of the same?
3. Were both lines getting manhandled on purpose? Players dropping passes and missing tackles on purpose?
Even if the Bengals weren’t showing much there’s no excuse for coming out like that. Especially when there was something to play for. Their arrogance will be their undoing. They aren’t the Colts. They can’t afford to take a week off and stumble into the playoffs. And how about the psychological toll? They go into this weekend knowing they have to be at least 38 points better than last night. Typical fan ignorance to treat last night as a laugher. This team has some real problems: Confidence, injuries, and a coaching staff(save Zimmer) that actually prevents this team from playing to its potential. Major changes needed going into next season.
my personal theme of the game last night was “catch the damn ball”. that and “just get a stop”. while i’m not saying you’re not making valid points (because clearly you are), i don’t think zimmer lets his defense allow 10 consecutive 3rd down conversions next week. besides the whole “no team has ever beaten another team two weeks in a row”, that’s pretty much all i’m clinging to right now.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
That was embarrassing!!!
I had nightmares all night about that game. Look, I understand not needing the victory and thus a lack of effort but what I don’t understand is the lack of preparation. The Bengals looked as if they had never seen the wildcat. The coaching staff made no adjustments during the game and to play Chad when he strained his knee in the pre game warm up was stupid. Palmer looked as if he were afraid of getting hurt.
Now I expect the players to be super motivated this Saturday but my worry is with the coaching staff. I hope I am wrong but… That was embarrassing!!!
harsh game...
i like to think that they weren’t trying, and thus the smackdown. the defense didn’t play with its usual aggressive nature, and the team never really made an effort to establish the run, the two things that we have been able to do all year and have led to success.
Having said that, even if a team isn’t trying i would think they had some pride and would muster more than one first down in the first half. Maybe they started out the game with no real intent of trying, and once they were scored on and the jets fans got into it they completely gave up because they felt they wouldn’t really gain anything from trying and still losing, which is why they let up 37 points and didn’t really move the ball.
Hopefully the team can just “turn it on” next week but i am worried that they let the jets get too much of an emotional edge.
yep
but the tell-tale sign for me was the benching of Cedric Benson. If he’s not playing when he could be playing, they’re mailing it in.
JSL, I agree. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Benson wasn’t on the Friday Injury report. Regardless, he was healthy enough to play. I read the Inactive list around 7:30, and saw our Top TE/DE/DT/RB deactivated. Honestly, i hate to admit it, but I didn’t bother watching the game. I knew it was gonna be painful to watch.
Btwn Marvin sharing his lust for the 3 seed, and an uncharacteristic Palmer stating their “opportunity to knock a team out of the playoffs”, the Bengals essentially put the Jets on notice that they weren’t laying down. Truth be told, I believed them initially. But sitting a healthy Benson, whom most of the offense runs (literally) through doesn’t equate to trying to win. They baited the Jets with Carson Palmer starting off the game in a fashion that we’ve simply not seen all season. I have seen fan after fan comment on CJ with bitter frustration of the excessive usage of Run Plays. Look at the Bengal drive charts. The1st Half Run-to-Pass ratio is far different than any game we’ve seen all season. Even against the stoutest of Rush Defenses, everyone’s favorite Bengal Offensive Coordinator has called for #32 up the gut ad nauseam. (see – vs MIN, vs PIT, vs BAL).
Call me naive, but I’m pretty sure they ran Palmer out there (like a worm on a hook) in various Pass formations to get a feel for the Jets blitz packages.
Conversely, maybe Rex knew Marvin would go about this game in a ho-hum manner, expecting such a trap. Maybe Rex called several unconventional blitzes and WildCat plays…..cuz he wasn’t fallin’ for Marvin’s Jedi-trickery.
I’m not sure what’s gonna happen Saturday. I didn’t watch that game last night cuz 2005 Week 17 deja vu was in the air. All I know is that the Bengals we see this Saturday will be far different than the Preseason-like effort displayed last night.
(Please feel free to rebut, as even I’m not sure I believe what I just posted here.)
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jan 4, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
chris crocker
makes all the difference in this game. Tom Nelson (when he was out there) looked lost. He missed tackles on almost every long run and i feel like crocker makes all the difference next week when he is back.
i fully agree that crocker makes a huge difference
nelson was made to look like a child out there, getting beaten by runners plowing through him etc. i believe that since crocker went down the defense has been poorer than usual, granted the defense is missing some other important players, but i do believe he will make a difference next week
Jet fan here...
I can’t imagine saturday being anything like yesterday. Nor can i imagine our lines pushing urs all over the field again. But i still feel pretty confident, obviously. I think we have a very good opportunity to shutting you guys down again. I think it will be a very low scoring game on saturday. Who’s ever QB has the most turnovers loses.
Chris Collinsworth
What’s up with Chris. He seemed to to be happy about the Bengals performance. He was making fun of the guys, especially Chad Ocho. He even doubted the Chad was slightly injured. Is he subconsciencly thinking he is neutral by being extra hard on his former team. Its one thing to call games as he sees them, but he definately was partial to the Jets. All year long, on half time shows, he seemed to portray the Bengals as overated, even though they swept their divisin. Does have some past issue with Mike Brown?
Any update on Chad?
What did the MRI reveal?
Chad just tweeted
MRI went well but why did I have to sit under that annoying machine for 45 minutes making those ridiculous noises!!
No details there but “MRI went well” sounds like nothing serious.
Bengals
The Bengals seemed to be uncomfortable in the cold weather. The Jets didn’t seem to mind it. It’s going to be worse this week. Ask Chad if this will affect the Bengals performance. Injuries are greater in this kind of weather, with the Bengals already clinching a playoff spot, I think it was a mistake to play the starters. Heck on the other teams chances. They don’t care about the Bengals. What did the game result i?. A plyer’s broken arm, and their star receiver with an injured knee.
What Nobody's Saying
Bengals will look like a different team next week. Without the vanilla gameplan and following an opportunity to peek up the Jets’ sleeve, whose A-game was exposed to dissection this week because they absolutely needed to win. However, I’m not convinced that necessarily translates to a win over NY, number one, and number two is a major in-house distraction that thus far remains a rumor but is certainly not inconceivable: that Bengals’ DC Zimmer has informally agreed to coach as DC under Shanahan once he is officially hired to replace Zorn. Anyone have any more info on this possibility? It would be a significant loss for the team long term as well as their postseason goals this year…
Zimmer’s accomplished more than enough to warrant a head coaching job. I don’t think he’d leave Cincy just to be a DC anywhere else, particularly Washington, which is just too unstable in the coaching department.
much better job security at Cincy....just look at Bratkowski
plus he get along great with Marvin
by smoormandiddy on Jan 4, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Zimmer
I have checked and even though the rumors are out there I do not think there is any agreement informally or other. It would be against the NFL rules to do anything prior to the last game that the Bengals are in. So after we win the big one then and only then can Wash approach Zimmer. I do not think that either side would pull a Belichick break the rules.
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i think
this was a preseason game for us and the jets had the playoffs to play for. they gave it their best and we phoned in ours. imagine the tables were turned—the jets had their spot locked up with no possibility of getting a higher seed, we were playing for the playoffs at home.
a. benson would have played
b. peko would have played
c. chad would have played his hardest
d. andre smith wouldn’t have played as much
e. brat would have given a shit
i think we were playing a chess game with them and it’s our move on our home turf. guys will be rested and healthy, we’ll have the crowd on our side, mark sanchez is going to be scared out of his mind.
be positive… it’s not as bad as it looked last night.
With all due respect...
a. 37-0
b. 0 yards passing (thats zero!!!!!)
c. 250+ yards rushing allowed
d. larry johnson is no slouch
e. chad ran fine and was blanketed by revis (don’t expect chad to show up on saturday; hope but dont expect).
Your team will not be blown out like that again, but I would be VERY concerned about getting pushed around like that. And dont expect Sanchez to be scared. Over-aggressive and stupid? Very possible. But not scared.
to be honest
i’m really not in the mood to refute anything you’ve said nor am i going to go into how you missed the point of my post, so i’ll just say let’s wait til saturday to see how meaningful yesterday’s game actually was.
Bengals Coaching
Somethings wrong with the Bengals offensive coaching. Personally I’ve thought that Coach Lewis’ 3 yard and a cloud of dust offense really hurt the Bengals this year. But I can’t object to it if it’s been successful. What I’m thinking about are all those crucial penalties the Bengals have been making. Yesterday with the Jest leading 10-7, the bengals recovered a Jets fumble deep in their territory only to have it nullified by a off side penalty. This has been going on for the last five games. Then two crucial fumbles by Caldwell directly resulted in losses to Chargers and Vikings. But what bothers me most is the inordinate amount Delay of Game penalties the last few games. In the Chargers game they had three in a row deep in their own territory. Yesterday they didn’t have enough men on the fireld once, etc. The Coaching has to share some of this responsibilty.
I've arrived at the decision that it's nealry ALL on the coaching.
Bratkowski can’t get out of his own way and is taking entirely too long to call the play 10-12 snaps a game.
agreed with pretty much everything
other than your recollection of the score. i don’t think it was ever 10-7 :)
Amazing
That the offense can look so bad for 55 minutes of every game this year, and then suddenly look competent when the game is on the line. Where are those plays for the rest of the game?
Seems like we never put the RB’s into recieveing sets until the game is on the line, yet it is so successful. How come we never break out any of the plays that Leonard gets first downs with until it is 3rd and 12?
I just hope to God that Brat doesnt try and run into the teeth of the Jets D for two straight downs and then tries to throw a fade rout to Coles on 3rd and 7 next weekend. OPEN IT UP!
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Las Vegas has them favored
they seem to think last night’s game was a Bengals rollover. However, what the Jets gained in confidence and what the Bengals lost has me very upset.
hope
I hope that wasn’t the real bengals yesterday, I hope the line grows a pair and pushes back once in a while, I hope Palmer comes out bombing the ball down the field as we should have been doing all year, however, I actually EXPECT us to win on Saturday, this team has bounced back all year from problems, ALSO, remember how bad the Cardinals looked last year right before they ran the playoffs and got jobbed by shitsburg in the superbowl
new guy
just joined this blog a few days ago to make a crack on the steelers. i am a life long bengals fan, cincinnati resident and season ticket holder – but enough about that. i just wanted to chime in after hearing all the same crap you guys did from the out of town media types – and having pretty much the same opinion on it.
a couple of things i havent seen on this thread yet:
surely the bengals will be stacking the box with 8-9 guys and daring sanchez to beat us with jerricho cotchery and braylon edwards. we stayed in the base package all night and let them run run run. wont happen again.
anyone else tanke a little umbridge at the jets challenging a 4th down spot already up 30-0 AND their continually running first team all out blitzes at JT O’Sullivan and the Bengals second team, particuraly in the 4th quarter? I did. All’s fair in football, but I am hoping the Bengals take special notice of this come film time. revenge is a dish best served cold.
how about Rex Ryan talking up how good his team is at running and stopping the run. the quote is saw was that the jets “do it better than anyone in the league.” that’s pretty strong coming from a guy who counted his own team out two weeks ago AND had to have the Colts and Bengals lay down for him to even get in to playoffs in the first place.
Our season was on the line. Can't leave anything to chance.
And if u don’t want to get rolled then don’t roll over. We know (ie Jets fans) that we won’t blow u out on Saturday. We know ur a better team than that. But the way we blew u off the ball all nite, we’re very confident that we can beat u. Maybe u stayed in base packages, but we didnt do anything exotic. We lined up and ran at u. 8-9 in the box won’t help when ur d-line gets pushed 3 yrds off the ball.
the point you folks are missing is that the Bengals could have won the game and avoided another showdown with the league’s best defense and running game. Sure, you’ve had your problems with the Texans, but even though the Bengals seemed to be saving something in the tank, they were embarrassed, period.
What other game have the bengals looked this bad?
Maybe Minnesota but we scored on them. At one pour it was 2 and 1 and we passed the ball 2 straight times which never ever happens. If you are trying to win and play to your teams strengths we run the ball and get a 1st down. Instead they decided to pass maybe hope to pick up the first down but would be fine punting it and getting on with the game. There was never a sense of urgency at any point in this game ever! They passed more then usual and never even attempted to run the ball. And as far as Chad getting blanketed that’s a load of shit. He was open like 8 times he just happened to get overthrown once and dropped 3 passes. His knee was bothering him more then he would say. Watch some replays of his routes, he was not 100%. that’s fine if the jets get confident they will prolly come in over confident, I don’t think the bengals can’t lose to them again but it’s going to be a completely different game. At no point in time did I believe the bengals were going all out and trying to win this game and got crushed ever. I believe they we testing the jets pass defense to see what they could do then playing vanilla defense to see what kinda formations would be called for the jets offense. This was a set up and I feel it in my heart! Never in the entire year have they layed down like that even when all was lost and gone to the Vikings. I mean saying the chargers are unstoppable and we are a joke after 2 weeks ago it took them a last second fg to win is ridiculous. If I’m wrong and we lose well that would suck but I do not see them losing Saturday not with the emotions this team has gone through all year there is no way!
by Diesel2405 on Jan 4, 2010 5:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They've NEVER looked this bad
This was the worst loss in franchise history. The biggest margin of defeat and the fewest yards ever gained in over 40+ years of history.
Pathetic.
No playoff team has been this weak in a long time. They’ve scored the fewest points of any playoff team by far. Take away the Bears game and they’re averaging 17ppg.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Jan 4, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cincy Owners
The players were doing as the owners dictated. It was unprofessional and doesn’t deserve the support of the fans. Or maybe fans don’t count anymore. Maybe owners think they operate in a vacuum.
Maybe I’m wasting my time…
in week -1
i.e. preseason week 4, the cincinnati bengals beat the indianapolis colts 38-7. the colts then went on to win 14 straight games before they rolled over for the jets. this was a pre-postseason game for us. risk little (sims and ocho’s injuries being bad luck, but sims especially had to play simply to havve enough d-linemen in the rotation, and ocho seems like he will be fine by saturday) and just get to the game that matters. the outcome of this game does not matter at all to the bengals, but what happens next week does matter.
bad dream
they were trying. they tried to open it up passing and we saw why they didn’t pass more all season. small receivers who can’t catch. on defense, the defense was undermanned. the jets knew what they were trying to do. they had a gameplan. they have a great coach. it was butt cold. they couldn’t get a first down or catch a ball. the undermanned defense couldn’t get a stop or break. i have no expectations for this week.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 4, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
positives
the game won’t be played in a dark icy toiletbowl. zimmer has five days to scheme against the wildcat. mark sanchez is still about the worst qb in the league. bottom five for sure. peko and crocker will play. defense will get the jets off the field. offense will get a first down in the first half. nobody taking anything for granted.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 4, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions
Based off peoples comments it's like no one watched the game.
They played this game bc they had to. I garauntee if they were allowed to concede victory and forfeit they would have. Jets only made the playoffs bc they played 2 teams at the end who could have gave a shit less if they won or not. I’m sure they didn’t want to lose 37-0 but what can you do. Bengals played down to their opponent with absolute no urgency to win or make it a competative game. Next jets fan I see I’m punching him in his junk. And when he is on his knees crying and llooking up saying “why?” I’ll say " you fucking know why!"
by Diesel2405 on Jan 4, 2010 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow... ur a tough typer.
Played down u say? 37-0 and got pushed around like a pop warner team and ur talking tough? Looked like u had ur starting O out on the field to me, except for Benson. Ur second and 3rd RBs suck all the sudden? Thats why u had 0 passing yards?
Be humble. U took a beating. It probably wont happen again, but please don’t kid urself into believing that it was bc u didnt play and that the Jets aren’t a good team. The Jets would have been at least 12-4 if not for a rookie QB. Theyre THAT good. Show some respect or u will get spanked again.
will you spank him or will some other internet representative of the jets spank him?
seriously though, you’re starting to troll here and i think it’s pretty clear what your point is—it’s not going to be another blowout… we get it. if there’s nothing else you can add, then take your homering back to the jets blog.
Depends...
If he tries to punch me in the face i might bend him over my groove leg.
You love bending dudes over huh?
by Diesel2405 on Jan 4, 2010 9:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha your team got handed a playoff spot!
by Diesel2405 on Jan 4, 2010 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha your prolly white trash from jersey and made out with your sister!
by Diesel2405 on Jan 4, 2010 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you of the characters from that comedy on MTV?
I thinks it’s called jersey shore. Not sure but it’s full of a bunch of tools and such. Or do you live in one of those one room apartements in new York and pay like $2000 a month? Or are you homeless and use a library computer to play Warcraft and type in a bengals blog?
by Diesel2405 on Jan 4, 2010 9:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes and no... mostly no
I think the Bengals came out wanting to win, trying to win (with less than 100% attendance, admittedly) but got punched in the nose, hard, and said ‘screw it, let’s just play not to get hurt’ and let the Jets have their fun.
My problem with this, as Tony Dungy pointed out to the idiots around him in the pregame, is that the Bengals should have tried for the 3 spot. First of all, when the same team leads the league in rushing offense and overall defense (yards or points, either way), that’s a team you don’t want to face in the playoffs. I feel that the loss to the Texans earlier in the year was due almost entirely to the Texans smart gameplan of using screens and dumpoff passes in the place of a running game. I don’t think that same strategy would catch the Bengals napping for a second time in the same season. Furthermore, the Jets defense is absolutely loaded. Shutdown corners, top-notch linebackers, and a solid d-line. Their o-line may be the best in the NFL. Their FB is the oldest RB/FB in the league and yet he still plows LBs out of the way like they’re children on his lawn. I’m not worried about their passing game, but they have shown time and again that they can pass 15-20 times per game or less and still dominate the opposition. The Texans, meanwhile, are a one-trick pony. If you stop Andre Johnson, you stop the Texans. Their defense is decent, but not playoff caliber. Finally, having the #3 means you won’t face the Colts unless/until the AFC Championship game. Even the Peyton-haters should know better than to think the Bengals match up well with the Colts. The Bengals don’t have enough pass rush to rattle Peyton Manning, and that’s the first requirement for slowing them down. The Chargers are tough, but much easier a matchup for Cincy.
All in all this has been a pretty pathetic end to the regular season. I hope the Bengals turn it around and get some wins in the playoffs, but they’ve got a hard road to go.
By the way, I felt equally disillusioned at the end of the ‘05 regular season, but the Bengals came out and beat down on the Steelers hard for the first 20 minutes or so. Despite losing Carson and Slim in their first possession. Despite Marvin Lewis standing on the sidelines looking like his dog just died, obviously having given up as soon as Carson went down. Despite all the problems that came up and smacked them in the beginning of that game, they held a solid lead for most of the first half. Until the halftime adjustments by the Steeler defense, which left Kitna scrambling around with nowhere to throw and looking more and more like a rabbit on an interstate, the Bengals were playing real NFL playoff-caliber football. Maybe they’ll do the same this year.
I love it when everyone hates us.
Zimmer set the tone in TC. He told them that they were outcasts and nobody respected them or wanted them. They feel that stronger than ever now and when they are totally motivated they can play some very good ball. This team plays on emotion more than any other team in the league and their emotions will be high. We can win or lose to any team in the playoffs. If they show up and execute we will be a hard team to beat. I am not saying we will go all the way or go as far as saying we will win this Saturday but anyone we play will need to play at the top of their game to win. We can beat anyone who gives anything less than their best.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

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