Daily Banter: Some Calling For Browns Upset Over The Bengals
by Josh Kirkendall on Oct 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
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Print+ During Mike and Mike in the morning on Friday, Mike Greenburg said to Ron Jaworski, Monday Night Football analyst, that the Bengals offense isn't as explosive as expected. The question was more geared towards saying that Carson Palmer is the cause. Jaworski believes that Palmer's problem is two-fold. He doesn't have chemistry with his star receivers, saying that Chad doesn't workout with the team during the offseason and Terrell Owens showed up late. Jaworski also claims that he hasn't seen Palmer be as inaccurate this season in his career.
So here's the running tally of things used for excuses as to why the Bengals offense isn't explosive right now.
- Injured elbow reduced his overall velocity
- Mechanics are out of whack, causing him to lose accuracy
- Chemistry with the wide receivers
- Offensive line isn't built to pass protect
Carlos Holmes called Sunday's game against the Browns a pivotal game for Palmer.
Palmer appeared lethargic (against the Panthers) and could never get into a rhythm throwing the ball. He made a number of ill-advised throws that could have proven costly. The Bengals had nearly 50 plays in Panthers’ territory resulting in only 20 points. Execution of the offense left much to be desired. Luckily, Carolina couldn’t make plays, either.
Along with Palmer's struggles, Holmes writes that a "contributing to the cause is a breakdown in protection along the offensive line."
(Roland) did a poor job holding his ground at the point of attack against Carolina. He was driven off the ball into the quarterback’s lap on one play. Palmer was unable to step up in the pocket, forcing his second interception of the game.
There is only one person to blame for any failures of protection on the right side of the line, and that’s Andre Smith. It must be extremely frustrating for the Bengals to see another first-round pick fall by the wayside. Smith has been a major disappointment thus far in his career. He’s in his second-year with the team and is probably not going to contribute much again this season.
While saying he doesn't see anything physically wrong, former Bengals quarterback Boomer Esiason says:
“That’s not the Carson Palmer I know,” Esiason said. “He looks like he’s lacking confidence back there in the pocket. I’m not there every day, so I don’t know why that is. I don’t know if it’s the new receivers, or the protection, or what, but you wonder what is going on.”
John Clayton is asking the same thing.
Either way, Marvin Lewis, Bob Bratkowski and Carson Palmer are saying the same thing. It's just a matter of having a bunch of new guys.
"There's new guys, so that's part of the deal," Palmer said. "That's going to happen, especially when two of the new guys are rookies and it's their first three games of the season. They're going to make mistakes just like anybody. That's part of the growing pains of having rookies that are starters and having new guys on your team that haven't been here before."
+ Sports Illustrated's Peter King predicts the Browns will beat Cincinnati 24-16, while CBS Sports' Pete Prisco predicts a 24-14 Bengals win. Clark Judge is calling this game the "Upset of the week", with Cleveland taking the win.
I'm taking a leap here, but I'm doing it for the right reasons: Cleveland is not as bad as its record, and Cincinnati is not as good. Now, put the Browns at home, where they should have beaten Kansas City two weeks ago, and maybe they get something started. I say they do.
+ Geoff Hobson talks about the incredible turn around this defense has made in recent years.
+ SB Nation's Jon Bois tries to think of alternatives for watching Out-Of-Market NFL games.
+ Sunday's game could be another rainy one.
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Really Peter King?
The Browns are going to score 24 points against the Bengals? How exactly are they going to manage that?
I get that the Browns care about this game, and I get that it’s in Cleveland. I get why you might pick an upset. But make it 13-10 for Pete’s sake! You know, instead of predicting the Browns to score 7 more points than they have all year, against one of the league’s top defensive units.
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by Pardon_My_French on Oct 1, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Peter King is a dousche
but the Bengals play well when dousches pick against them.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
peter king
hates cincy and frankly, he can go ^%#*$ himself.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
How do you make a list of reasons for the Bengals lethargic offense
without including our beloved Offensive Coordinator?
2 Games & a bye to get it together
Truth is that the Bengals Offense has not done anything that contradicts the critics. The Bengals are going to putz around with the offensive problems until it is too late. Got to cut the head off of this monster now! The defense & special teams (kicker & punter) will win the game Sunday for the Bengals. God help us when we get past the Tampa Bay game if the offense doesn’t improve. 2 games & a bye to get it together!
FIRE BRATSUCKSKI
Bengals D will be too much.
I know the Ravens got ripped by Cleveland’s rushing game…but I don’t see it happening again. I also think that Palmer will have a better game. We’ll have to see. Bengals win though, 20-13.
"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage." - Mike Tyson
I think the Ravens played uninspired defensively last week after two emotionally charged and physical defensive struggles at NYJ and Cincy. The Browns played with a sense of urgency to get a win. If the Bengals D shows up to play and the offense moves the ball with any consistency and doesn’t have any giveaways, the Bengals win by ten.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Oct 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
A few comments...
1.) Peter King is the Uber-Douche. How this guy has a career in journalism and on TV is beyond me. I’m totally convinced that he cooks dinner in an apron for Belichick nightly, and then subsequently sniffs and then hand washes Tom Brady’s jock.
2.) The Bengals will NOT lose this game. In fact, I’m convinced that this will be the best showing of the year for them, thus far. I think they’re pissed and still hungry for validation. The Bengals’ D will feast on Wallace and the offense will play better than they have all year.
3.) In order for them to win, they’ll need to do a couple of things: Use Scott, Gresham and Shipley A LOT, get more turnovers on D and make personnel changes on the O-Line. They need to get Collins, Andre and/or Mathis in there ASAP.
Question: Has Carlos Dunlap been active at all this year? As much as I like his potential, he seems to be going down the “wasted rookie year path”. I wanted the Bengals to grab a Guard or Tackle high in this year’s draft and it’s looking like not doing so is biting them in the ass, two-fold, since Dunlap hasn’t seen the field.
Dunlop
played something like nine snaps at Carolina. I’m not too concerned with his lack of PT as it is a deep rotation at DE, however with Fanane and Odom’s injuries recently, I am surprised he hasn’t received more work. Of course, they are playing Michael Johnson at DE again
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Oct 1, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
I don’t think Michael Johnson looks good at LB or a hybrid DE. I think they should just play him at DE.
by sgiridharan1982 on Oct 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree to an extent.
If we played a 3-4, I’d like him as an OLB who was mostly a pass rusher.
As it is, I say just let him play DE.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Don't Give Up On Dunlap
I think he will be a stud and in no way is he going down the “wasted rookie year path” like say notable offender Andre The Giant. Agree 100% that Johnson needs to be at DE.
Before y'all start proclaiming victory
Note:
1) Bengals have been known to play down to their opponents.
2) Bengals have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. (i.e. Oakland game)
3) This game has all makings of a “trap” game.
well i cant disagree with your first two points, i will dispute your last. What makes this a trap game? They play Tampa next week and have a bye in week 6. Last week they were in Carolina. If any game were a trap game it would be Carolina since they were sandwiched between two divisional games.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Oct 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies
You’re right Cleveland isn’t a trap game. But it’s not game the Bengals should over look due to the fact that we aren’t a very good team right now.
by sgiridharan1982 on Oct 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with that
and I don’t think the Browns are a terrible team right now even though they are 0-3
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Oct 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
they could be 3-0 just as easily as we could be 0-3
We are extremely lucky so many of the interceptions were dropped.
by Throw the ball on Oct 1, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
lets not forget, its the browns (2.0)
i know we all want to snicker and not take em serious since they arent the brownies 1.0, however, cleveland has seen its share of tough fought games with cincy throughout the years.
not a good game for our offense to sleepwalk in.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
They are also gonna be desperate
They don’t wanna go 0-4. I am worried about injuries during this game.
Maybe Not A Trap....
But a possible ambush. We can’t take the Brownies lightly and expect to win by just showing up. We need to execute and send this team back into Lake Erie.
Good Grief, People!
Why is it that everyone on this board gets so worked-up over Peter King? It’s unfortunate that he’s harsh on a team that we all love, but his arguments against the Bengals hold a lot of weight.
Peter King indicated on ESPN radio about a week ago that he could not consider the Bengals contenders because they have difficulty handling success from one season to the next, as one good season is typically followed by a disappointing season. Unfortunately, he’s right.
In 43 years, our Bengals have only achieved winning seasons in back-to-back fashion four times (‘72-’73, ‘75-’76, ‘76-’77 and ‘81-’82). The last season the Bengals had back-to-back winning seasons was 28 years ago. Anyone want to argue this? Or, would anyone like to argue why so many talented Bengals players and teams have only managed 14 playoff games (with a 5-9 record) since the 1968 season?
The 2010 Bengals are obviously deficient in a few areas. If you want to be clouded by blind faith – go to church. The pundits, including King, have serious concerns over Palmer’s quality of play, lack of chemistry with the receivers, the collapsing offensive line, predictable play-calling, poor execution, untimely and drive-killing offensive penalties etc. Again – right, right and right.
If the Bengals (and us fans) want to shut-up Peter King and his cohorts – the Bengals need to start winning with quality and do so consistently. Otherwise we should not be so ticked-off when they pick a desperate divisional foe to paste us.
As far as the Browns scoring 24 points against our tough defense – who says those points have to come from the defense? If Palmer throws six passes similar to the ones in Carolina, they may score a lot more than 24.
Wait wait wait....
First of all, talk about “being clouded”—for all of the pretty little stats and percentages you threw out, you conveniently omitted that Mr. King was a beat writer for the Bengals some time ago and never liked the Browns. Since then, he continuously piles on the Bengals while riding the jocks of the Patriots (the team nearest to his residence). While we all know all of the national media’s “concerns” about the Bengals right now, don’t pretend that Peter King is unbiased towards the Bengals, because he isn’t. Thanks for talking down to us though, much appreciated.
P.S. Maybe you should start attending Church and get “clouded”. Whatever it’ll take to bring some positivity to your life there, sunshine.
by Anthony Cosenza on Oct 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Peter King is an idiot.
But that has nothing to do with our low number of back-to-back winning seasons, our playoff win drought, etc. Two separate issues.
by Big Sky Bengal on Oct 1, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
bah the bengals in the 70s played in one of the toughest divisions in football
aside from the homer rice years, the bengals of the 70s were always the 2nd best team in that division. if there had been two wild cards back then, the bengals would have been in the playoffs the majority of 70s.
we brutalized teams in the 70s with a physical defense.
as for peter king. F’em.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Okay I had a chance to win club seat tickets to this game and I didn't.
Then the women that did offered to take me with her. Well she’s a Browns fan and so is her husband and she doesn’t drink and wellneither does or husband. So obviously I passed it would have been extremely boring watching a game in a club seat with two people who might have been miserable because my team was winning and there wasn’t. Or on the other hand I could have been there with 70,000 people basically rubbing the fact the Bengals last in my face and I wouldn’t have had a beer to ease the pain either way no fun without at least one person from my family going with me. With that said I hope like hell we run the scoreboard up so far that people start walking out in 3rd quarter because of it. I hope her and her husband along with the other group of people that won tickets have a miserable time watching the Browns get spanked like a puppy being potty trained by my Mike Vick. Dammit I wanted those tickets.
Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me...
BengalAnthony13, I don’t deal in the imaginary; I am sorry if that offends you. Though, according to your statements it doesn’t appear that I am missing much in church: “Peter King is the Uber-Douche” and “I’m totally convinced that he cooks dinner in an apron for Belichick nightly, and then subsequently sniffs and then hand washes Tom Brady’s jock.” Hardly seems positive or funny (if that was your aim) to me, cupcake.
I am aware of Mr. King’s past life. It doesn’t take away from the fact that he is a good writer and there is an element of truth to many of his statements as it regards the Bengals.
By the way, that “team” near Peter’s house you refer to has been to the playoffs seven times since 2001 and managed to eke out three of four Super Bowls. In the meantime we’ve been to nine playoffs in 43 years. It’s a shame mediocrity has become so defensible for you – just don’t expect the national media to buy into it.
The Cheating Patriots and their ill gotten wins aside...
Why did you refer to BengalAnthony as cupcake? That’s curious.
I don't read King Peter anymore
It’s long been known to many Bengal Fans that he seems to go out of his way to point out Bengal deficiencies. It’s like pulling teeth to get him to write anything positive about the Bengals: He bares a grudge against the Brown family (don’t we all). Just ignore him.
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