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Rehashing Old Topics: Bengals Should Capitulate To Marvin Lewis' Demands And Sign Him Beyond 2010

Since taking over the Bengals in 2003, head coach Marvin Lewis, last year's Coach of the Year winner, has sent the Bengals to the playoffs twice, provided Cincinnati with only two losing seasons and won 58 games. That's more wins than Paul Brown (55), Forrest Gregg (32) and three short of tying Sam Wyche for most wins in franchise history. Provided Lewis wins three of his next ten games, he will easily reach 61 wins quicker than Wyche did.

On the other hand, Lewis' squads have yet to win a playoff game, gave Cincinnati only two winning seasons and currently playing far below expectations a year removed after winning the AFC North.

With Lewis' contract expiring after this season, the question has to be asked, should he return or not?

The team reportedly tried to negotiate an extension with Lewis dating back to last season, with renewed discussions over the offseason. Along with wanting an indoor facility close to Paul Brown Stadium, Lewis reportedly wants more things to "bring a winning culture to the Bengals". We're forced to assume that these things include, but are not limited to, a general manager and a growth spurt in the front office to scout personnel.

The question is always presented with a follow up question. If Lewis leaves, then who would you replace him with? Mike Zimmer tends to be the popular choice, but consider the ramifications. Dick LeBeau is one of the best defensive coordinators in our time. Yet, he was the head coach of a Mike Brown owned Bengals squad and won only 27% of his games. That's not to say Zimmer wouldn't have greater success, with a vastly improved roster. Then again, LeBeau's 2001 squad actually sported the league's ninth ranked defense. And it's not like Brown gave LeBeau much of a chance to really put a stamp on any head coaching career, electing to allow his two-year contract expire in 2002 after a league worst 2-14 season.

After you promote Zimmer, are you confident that Zimmer calls the shots on defense? Marvin Lewis coached nasty pricks like the Steelers' Greg Lloyd, Levon Kirkland, Chad Brown and Kevin Greene before taking on the defensive coordinator position in Baltimore in 1996 where in his final three seasons, the Ravens defense one of the league's top two defenses each year. Lewis moves on to Washington in 2002, improves the Redskins defense to the league's fifth best. Coming into Cincinnati, Lewis would finally field the defense that would be consistent, awesome, powerful, sack-happy and generally badass. Instead, Lewis handed off the reigns to guys like Leslie Frazier and Chuck Bresnahan, neither putting together a defense ranked higher than 19th in the NFL.

Truthfully, Zimmer becomes the head coach that Lewis was, and like Lewis the process to find a new defensive coordinator starts all over again. Don't expect Zimmer to fully integrated into the defense like he is today.

Personally, not only do I believe that Lewis should be signed long-term in Cincinnati, I've written about that belief four times dating back to December 2009. One, two, three, four. My points are relatively the same. Lewis can win in Cincinnati, whereas no other coach in the history of a Mike Brown run Bengals franchise has come close to doing; mostly because of the guys he hires as head coaches. If Lewis wants more things brought to Cincinnati, installing a winning culture, you can only believe that those things, as Lewis would say it, are a good thing.

Capitulate to Lewis' demands, sign him long-term and keep Zimmer as the defensive coordinator for as long as you can, hopefully even over-paying him so another team doesn't pluck him out for their head coaching vacancies.

Unfortunately, the team's 2-3 start presents about as bad a scenario as one could hope for. Because of that, it's generating more "hot seat" discussions regarding Lewis, even though it technically wouldn't be a hot seat because he's not signed beyond this year and thus couldn't be fired.

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora raised the issue.

Marvin Lewis has been unable to work out an extension and with the team falling well below expectations following a division title, few would be surprised if a change is made. Playoff victories haven't been there and the characters on the roster would try anyone's nerves. The problems are primarily on the offensive side of the ball, and I would not be surprised to see defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer -- beloved by his players -- to be offered the top position if a change is made.

Admittedly, my fear of letting Lewis go is the unexpected. We've seen what a Mike Brown searching party results in. And if it wasn't for Katie Blackburn offering her support for Lewis rather than Brown's preference of either Tom Coughlin or Mike Mularkey, then we could be in far worse shape. Can you see Coughlin, who wanted more control than what the team was willing to offer, working for Brown? Mularkey had a hard time Buffalo, resigning because of disagreement with the organization. Yea. Totally would have worked out in Cincinnati.

And if Brown doesn't capitulate to Lewis' demands, then you can cross off the high profile head coaches that may or may not be available next year. Bill Cowher. Nope. Jon Gruden. Funny, I thought you wanted realistic options. Actually, you might as well cross off experienced head coach from the list, with Brown's hires mostly being assistant coaches, save for Bruce Coslet.

I'm not totally against the team bringing in a new head coach. But maybe it might make more sense keeping the Lewis/Zimmer combination together for as long as we can have them.

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Marvin Lewis' contract is expiring after this season. You would...
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228 votes
Let his contract expire
169 votes
Fire him during the bye week
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If Marvin can get all of his demands, then signing him would be worth it.

If he can get Mike to give the Bengals an Indoor Practice Facility, a general manager, and more say over personnel (bye, bye Bratkowski), then I am all for it.

by BonnieBengal on Oct 15, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

It’d be worth having Lewis if we’d be able to upgrade at GM and OC, as well as other demands that bring the bengals to the 21st century.

by Dvdbumpus on Oct 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marvin demands?

First off, what makes you think its Marvin’s demands that are holding up a deal? Unless you’re tight with the Browns or Marvin, you’re guessing.

I say look at Marvin’s body of work. He’s a .500 coach that regularly fields a sloppy team. That regularly makes bone headed calls from the sideline. That is out coached year after year. Imagine what Mike Tomlin would do with this unit if he started back in Feb. This is the best Cincy team, on paper, in decades and look what Marvin is doing with it. A damned shame and he’s earned the right to be fired IMHO.

Mike Brown calls the shots and will always call the shots, after all its his one and only cash stream in life. I know business owners, I’m one of them, we don’t give control to nobody unless its to our kids when are teeth are falling out and we need help putting on our socks. So don’t have unreasonable expectations that Mike Brown is ready for the Bahamas 24×7.

by BENGALS69 on Oct 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re;

Marvins demands….they aren’t so much demands, but more so concessions. They have been documented via multiple media outlets so i’m not sure where the “guessing” things comes from. He’s even publicly criticized not having an indoor facility and having to BUS the team 30 minutes away to Mason for practice in the winter….as for his body of work .500 is how many %pts higher than the previouse 5 coaches before him? he’s 3 wins away from being the winningest coach in bengals history and like it or not he was instrumental in turning this ream around from a perennial 1-3 win team to atleast a competitive division contender year in and out….in the toughest division in FB

by TruWhoDey on Oct 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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“better than th previous coaches” is such a lame argument. First of all, that’s not a hard feat to accomplish being that the past 5 coaches or so have been worse than miserable. Second, how much better is he? He’s better because he has a better record than them? Yes. But is he better in accomplishing what we need to accomplish (aka at least being conference champions)? No. Fire his ass.

by jimbasa on Oct 15, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is what i've been trying to say!!!

I don’t say fire him though, just let the contract expire and move on

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Marvin did his part by bringing us out of the embarrassing decade of the nineties and making us an average team, and at least letting me see the post season. But at this point, it’s time to move on. We need someone to take us over this wall. I appreciate all Marvin did for this team, but he’s not taking this team to any AFC Championship games.

by mrsmith35sg on Oct 16, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: lame argument?

how is it lame….Dick Labeua* arguably the greatest defensive mind in the history of the NFL could not win under Mike Brown….to deny the history of sub par teams/coaches is ridiculous, the HC of the BENGALS needs to know how to win despite Mike Brown….Marvin has learned how to do that—-this is just like the replace Carson argument….replace him with who? that’s the only answer i want…replace him with who?
and yes he’s better b/c he has a better record than them….and yes he’s better b/c he’s gotten us further than them….he was also the Coach of the year last year…..Marvin isn’t the problem, his lack of authority (ie: personnell decisions over players and coordinators) is the problem….MAINLY BRATKOWSKI and Marvin not being able to fire him

by TruWhoDey on Oct 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: replace him with who?

sorry i forgot i already found the answer i like the most…..John Gruden. Gruden and Zimmer are very similar, and Gruden has a ring to command repsect. Plus i love his firey nature, and think it woudl mesh perfectly with not only Zimmer, but in the AFC North…..Gruden instead of Brat would be ideal IMO, but if Marvin walks (lets be honest, he’s not getting fired) then I’d be okay w/Gruden as HC…although if we keep Brat we’re f*cked no matter who the HC is so thats a toss up

by TruWhoDey on Oct 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you 100%

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment of his game planning, but he has turned Bengals drafts from laughing stocks to (usually) very good groups of core players. They say Mike Brown is in control of the drafts, but if you look at the pre-Marvin drafts compared against the post-Marvin drafts, there’s a big difference.

Mike Zimmer will probably be hard to keep, and I feel he’s a lot more important to the team than Marvin is. If the only way to keep Zimmer is to promote him, send Marvin packing. Otherwise keep them both.

by indesignkat on Oct 15, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cant comment on this

If I voice my opinion somehow i’m harassed and my fan hood is questioned because I want a new coach

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

the biggest thing...

Is if we could get him in w GM and such. That would be big steps that the org needs to be great. But if things stay…brown tells coach what to do… Were in rough shape. As HC Marvin is kind of a pu**y

by quickslant on Oct 15, 2010 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Things will stay as is with MB, you cant change that

but you can change the Head Coach that will actually challenge Mike Brown’s authority, IMO I think Marvin is weak i agree with you

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that the right guy can change the organization...

If you look at how organizations change, its usually because they bring in somebody that is so charismatic that they get others to buy into their vision. The right HC in Cinci could have that kind of pull. If they’re smart and persuasive enough, they can change the culture. It will take a special person, and marv clearly isnt that guy. He was okay but in the end he’s just another in a long line of good coordinators that proved to be mediocre coaches.

by Crew Jones on Oct 15, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what, to some degree I do want a new coach. I want a coach that will tell Mike Brown to sit down and shut up and let him run the team. I want a coach who will get every draft pick right, who will never fail on a ref challenge, and who can create such an inventive and awesome offense that he could turn Ryan Leaf into a top-flight NFL quarterback as well.

But I also want a few million bucks in my personal bank account, and I’m not getting that either.

Mike Brown will never hire a coach who could possibly do any better than Marvin until/unless he also recognizes he has as much business pretending to be the GM as I do pretending to be pregnant. I’ve seen nothing from Mike that suggests he might eventually realize his incompetence and retire.

by FriarBob on Oct 15, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 agree 100%

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

true but...

Brown won’t hire the type to challenge him where Lewis seems to have an in. Bottom line is that a new head coach will not fix anything due to the restraint upon him.

by quickslant on Oct 15, 2010 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

true that

would be nice to see Marvin go nuts in a post game presser for once

by TruWhoDey on Oct 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does everybody want him as GM?

the guy doesnt have that good of an eye for talent. Look at the marvin era drafts. They’ve gotten better, but are still substandard.

by Crew Jones on Oct 15, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the only one that can manipulate MB

into doing the right thing or at least think about it. He’s very good at it. That is what we need in a GM. Mike Brown is so stuck on himself that making Mike Brown see what the right thing is and making it his idea is an art within itself.

by WHYUS!! on Oct 16, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

They clearly need a GM...

but I dont think Marvin is their best option. I dont think he’s good at evaluating talent to be honest. I’d much rather see a guy like Marty Shcottenheimer, Parcells or somebody that has already succesfully managed NFL personnel. Marv having full control would be a step up from MB, but if they’re going to allow someone in that role they could do much better than Marv

by Crew Jones on Oct 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Don't

see how letting Marvin Lewis go makes sense. He is a great coach and has managed numerous personalities effectively while putting a winning product on the field. Of course, I’m an outsider (Broncos fan), so what do I know?

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Oct 15, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

What is your standards for a great coach?

Marvin don’t fit mine, getting into fight with your WR’s in playoff games at halftime is not managing personalities IMO

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

^ exacttly

He’s had 2 winning seasons in 7. He’s been effective in furthering our franchise, but not to where we ultimately want to go.

by mrsmith35sg on Oct 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Marvin Lewis era has clearly run its course

I appreciate what the guy has done, but I think its blatantly obvious the we need a change. This team lacks passion, focus and fails to execute on a weekly basis. They’re losing to teams that they are clearly more talented than and we’re talking about extensions for the coaches? No fucking way should they extend Marvin. Let the guy walk. Best for both sides.

by Crew Jones on Oct 15, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by TennBengalfan on Oct 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point but the thought of MB hiring some one new send chills up my spine

If this was an organization that was know for making good decisions, I would be all for the move. My gut tells me though that this could go horribly wrong.

by smoormandiddy on Oct 15, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Don’t settle for mediocrity! Lewis has never won a playoff game, Blows a red flag challenge every game, and won’t ever get the Bengals a super bowl. We should still get a new practice facility and GM and offensive coordinator, too. Head coach suggestions; Bill Cower or Boomer. Offensive coordinator; anybody else.

by cinci2socal on Oct 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 Bengalshopefull, I love it!!!

I love this site! It’s got real fans who understand the game of football and have had enough of being the laughing stock of the NFL.

Here is a thought: If every Bengals fan who is tired of the incompetence of Bob Bratkowsi throws in a dollar or two, we can buy out this jackass’ contract. I’m sure that there are some business’ who would be willing to put up the money to bring in a coaching staff that can bring us a championship. Smart business men know that you have to spend money to make money, and they will stand to make a whole lot of money from endorsements and merchandise. The more that you win, the more you get on t.v., and the more exposure you get, the more money you make. This is why Mike Brown will never get rid of Chad Johnson, because that is his cheap way of getting exposure. Signing troubled players is not a coincidence, it is a cheap way of marketing. We all might think Mike Brown is stupid but he is not. He is making a hell of a lot of money without having to produce anything, and as long as us fans keep putting up with it, he is just going to continue to line his pockets off of all us suckers.

We haven’t won a playoff game in 20 years under your ownership! Enough is enough!
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!

by D-Day77 on Oct 16, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

dunno about lewis anymore

the decision to throw on 3rd and 13 with 2:30 to go in the game against tampa was terrible. The poor use of timeouts against cleveland at the end of the first half were questionable. In fact, lewis has made tons of late game mistakes, and has gotten lucky. When we beat Pitt last year on a last second drive, converting 2 4th down plays, one of those was because Lewis unnecessarily held on to a timeout.

It’s only 5 games so far, so things could change, but so far this team is leading the league in penalties, and our offense is pretty close to the top in turnovers. With TO, 85, Benson, and a stellar cast on defense, we have the talent to be a much better team. I’m not so sure Lewis is the answer anymore.

On the other hand, if you look at the chain of coaches preceding Lewis, I don’t know if firing him would actually help this team improve. The organization has made so many terrible choices before Lewis and still runs things poorly above him… it’s a difficult situation

by cokane on Oct 16, 2010 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Again, why?

His drafts have been poor. FA signings have been a disaster. Why does everyone say that Marv has ‘an eye for talent’ when his body of work here clearly suggests otherwise. Seriously, go back and look at the drafts through the Marv era. They’re lackluster to say the least

by Crew Jones on Oct 16, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually his drafts have been good

There has been a lot of injuries and dismissal of players that has kept players from playing. His problem has been also, that MB has some input in on what players to draft, so not all players that are drafted are Marvins players.
Again, there are some really well drafts in the Marvin era, I just think that the way Marvin coaches, he’d be best suited for a GM position where he can manipulate MB and players alike, to put the best team possible on the field and let a motivator coach his team. What he’s not good at is, managing games and motivating the players. It shows on the field, in the win column and in the dismissal of players from the team.

by WHYUS!! on Oct 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the drafts have been pretty poor

Until last year, Carson Palmer was the only Pro Bowler drafted by Lewis and he was the very first pick in the draft so harder to screw that up (though with Big Duddy, they did).

There have been a lot of busts and marginal players drafted in the Lewis era: Kelley Washington was mostly a dud, Chris Perry was a bust, Keiwan Ratliff a huge bust, Madieu Williams was a dud, Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson were the anchors of crappy defenses, Thurman and Henry were problem children, Frostee Rucker is a dud, Ahmad Brooks was a bust, Kenny Irons was a bad luck bust but it was predictable, Jerome Simpson a huge bust, Keith Rivers is nothing special for a first rounder, Pat Sims and Andre Caldwell aren’t exactly stars, Chase Coffman was a bust, Andre Smith is headed for bust territory.

I think people on this web sit vastly overrate the Bengals talent level, e.g. at Linebacker where they haven’t had an All-Pro player since the 1970s and yet there have been dozens of guys with lots of tackles that fans fell in love with, like Landon Johnson or Caleb Miller, who really were nothing special.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of these players mentioned and

some that are not, have had the talent to succeed if they had the right person coaching them and the right personnel within the organization, especially the team doctors.
The coach is supposed to be able to keep their players in line and therefore implement the type of discipline the players have to have to stay out of trouble. I think they didn’t have this with Marvin.(see Bill Billicheat) At least not up until now. But now, they have a discipline problem on the field and that too seems to be a problem in his era.
What I’m trying to get at is that it seems that the problem lies with the coaching and personnel in the organization, not Marvin drafts.
See my fanpost…

by WHYUS!! on Oct 16, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are so funny..

“bring in cowher” they say. fat chance. no respectable head coach would ever coach under mike brown with no GM and no practice bubble. not to mention, let’s face it, cincy isn’t exactly the jewel of the midwest.

if you believe for a second that a better coach than lewis would take his spot, you’re delusional. mike brown is a joke of an owner and any coach worth his salt would avoid us like the plague.

by Cry on Oct 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I wouldn't want Cowher

I’ve never forgiven him for Carson’s knee and “we dey”

by BonnieBengal on Oct 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Nobody good would take the job.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

No big name coach is going to want to coach under the tyranny of Mike Brown, so we are left looking for coaches who can make the best of a crappy situation. Lewis has done that somewhat. He’s no Lombardi, but given the situation he is the best option I think.

Our real issue isn’t the coach. It’s Mike Brown and his refusal to have any semblance of intelligence and his stubborn refusal to move the Bengals organization into the modern era.

FIRE MIKE BROWN!

/rant off

by wildcatfaninexile on Oct 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let his contract run

We’re continually out-coached and sloppy. I like Marvin for turning the organisation around but he’s not a good enough coach to take us to the next level. That’s too bad as I really like him, but the proof is there over the last few years.

by Mexal on Oct 16, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

There's no such coach

The constraints that Mike Brown imposes of inept scouting department with few scouts, signing problem children, making decisions like extending Jones and Anderson but not resigning Steinbach, etc, etc…. no good coach would put up with that. Coaching the Bengals is where careers go to die. Lebeau tried it for a short while but he’s such a good DC that he was welcomed back to Pittsburgh. Where is Dave Shula? Restaurant business. Where is Bruce Coslet? Had one more job and is now out of football.

For that matter, even under Paul Brown the really good coaches were hard to attract to Cincy!! Bill “Tiger” Johnson’s only qualifications were as a short-time yes-man on Paul Brown’s staff (to Bill Walsh’s Genius) He only ever coached in Cincinnati, nowhere else!

Homer Rice coached at U of Cincy, was 8-10-1 and at Rice U, where he was 4-18. And Paul Brown picked him to be Head Coach of the Bengals!

Forrest Gregg was okay in Cleveland but was out after three years — he’s one of the better coaches the Bengals ever had.

Sam Wyche? At IU he compiled a 3-8 record, and he got the Bengals head coaching job.

The Bengals have never in their entire history picked a winning Head Coach (prior record of head coaching success) for the job except for Paul Brown.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 16, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sam Whyche was an excellent coach

That couldn’t get along with MIke Brown.

by WHYUS!! on Oct 16, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So then what?

Do we just stick with mediocrity and Marvin? Or do we just completely give up?

Regardless of Mike Brown, we have talent on this team and we have the ability to succeed. We proved it last year and we’ve shown flashes this year. The problem is that our coaching staff isn’t good enough to utilize the talent that is on this team. They aren’t good enough to bring discipline and they’re even worse at game planning. None of that has to do with Mike Brown.

There has to be a coach out there, someone like Lewis, who is looking for their first head coaching gig and is willing to take a chance; a coach who can turn into a great head coach like Tomlin turned into and is willing to take the job just for the opportunity and talent. I remain optimistic because there is nothing else for us to do.

by Mexal on Oct 16, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does have to do with MB

He has the power to change the personnel, but doesn’t.. He likes the ones who kiss his ass.. But I do agree that there is someone out there that would be an excellent Head Coach.

by WHYUS!! on Oct 16, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shayne Graham is a (little) Giant!

I hope he kicks for them this weekend and misses a GW 32 yarder. I think he’s just about the only player that when he left I didn’t want him to succeed and have been rooting against him. Man I dislike that dude.

How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?

by Grizzlyfox on Oct 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

BENGALS FANS SHOULD DEMAND!

Screw Mediocre Marvin and Bratworst’s lousy play calling!

The Bengals should get a real GM, some more and better scouts, an indoor practice facility — all that stuff. And then go out and get a head coach who can manage a game and eliminate pre-snap penalties.

Until then nobody should go to Paul Brown Stadium except to burn Mike Brown in effigy.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody goes to Raiders games, yet Al Davis lives on. It's not an effective strategy.

79 of 143 home games have been blacked out since the Raiders moved back to Oakland from Los Angeles in 1995.

3 winning seasons since 1995, yet nothing changes. But hey, boycotts sound like fun!

How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?

by Grizzlyfox on Oct 16, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ship is still pointed in the right direction

Marvin has done a lot to change the culture of football in Cincinnati – to the point where this football team expects to win. The fact that we hear boos in the stadium, even in games that they win, is proof that the expectations for the Marvin lead Bengals have risen to new levels.

As far as drafting goes, I’ll give Marvin credit. I think he’s done a good job (especially the last few drafts) of finding talent, but the fact is that until this team gets a GM/scouts who are dedicated year round to finding good football prospects, there will never be a consistent influx of talent.

As far as game management goes, I couldn’t find any stats for coaches rankings on challenges, but I don’t know that Marvin is any worse than another coach would be. And if there is a problem, it comes from upstairs, or the guys watching the TVs who are advising Marvin on when to throw the flags.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Oct 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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