Sprint Game Ball Of The Week
by Josh Kirkendall on Oct 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT
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Why in the world would we offer a gameball to a Bengals player from a game that the Bengals lost? Sounds foolish, doesn't it. Like some idiot actually arguing that a tomato is a fruit. I mean, c'mon. No one puts fruit on a cheeseburger.
But we have to pay the bills, that's why.
Hey, be grateful for it, or else you'd accidentally find yourself reading about how dastardly evil you are as Bengals fans, hell bent on kicking puppies and spitting in people's foods, yelling, "you'll have that" and crashing through the window like you were in the middle of an epic Terminator fight; because every Terminator fight has someone crashing through some window. You are the type of person that will find yourself escorted from the airplane, while laughing at those people that have to sigh really loud so they know that you know that they're totally annoyed.
That being said, this week we're giving our gameball to Bob Bratkowski. Totally kidding. For only the third time in his career, Carson Palmer threw for over 400 yards (all losses if you can believe it) during the Bengals 39-32 loss on Sunday to the Atlanta Falcons. During his performance, he recorded 36 completions (second-most in career) for a 72% completion rate. It's the fifth time in his career that Palmer recorded at least three touchdowns and no interceptions.
Led by Palmer during the team's 22-point explosion in the third quarter, the Bengals offense played so well, that they only encountered two third down situations, and the second one led to a 64-yard touchdown pass to Jordan Shipley -- who sort of did most of the work. Why Palmer and not Shipley, who deserves as much praise for his work on Sunday as Palmer? Well, there's the whole 412 yards passing, the three touchdowns and the 116.4 passer rating thing. But after a couple of weeks in which we piled on Palmer, whose three interceptions leads to 17 points, we felt a little bit sorry and hopefully when he reads this, he'll be all kinds of excited.
Other nominations include:
- Jordan Shipley: six receptions, 131 yards receiving, TD
- Chad Ochocinco: 10 receptions, 108 yards receiving, TD
- Terrell Owens: 9 receptions, 88 yards receiving, TD
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And there will still be people here who say he’s trash. Carson is still better than 90% of the QBs in the NFL.
top 90%?
I know he had a good game, but let’s not get crazy here. I still haven’t gotten the image of him throwing away the TB game out of my mind….
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
3 qb's per team
100 qb. Are there more than maybe 10 you would take before Palmer? Just curious.
[legal and moral judgments aside]
Absolutely:
Brady
Manning, the non anencephalic one.
Brees
Ryan (good and has more upside)
Probably:
Roethlisberger
Schaub (see Ryan)
Rodgers (good, showing upside. may have the ‘not quite enough’ problem that Palmer is repped with)
Consider:
Sam Bradford (dunno if he’s good, but he could go eight years. Palmer doesn’t have eight years)
Flacco (that’s a reaaaal maaaaybe. just trying to come up with 10)
I can’t come up with 10 that I would seriously consider.
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
Well I guess if you factor in ALL the QBs, including reserves
But in terms of starters, I don’t think he’s top 90% as you pointed out above. In addition to your list, I’d probably add
Rivers
Cutler (possibly worst offensive line in the league)
Kolb (doing well despite having to battle Vick)
Romo
And of course, there is our former Fitzpatrick with the second highest QB rating in the league. I think he was set up for failure when he had his shot with us – with a patchwork offensive line, Chris Perry as the RB, Chad hurt and out of shape, no legitimate offensive threat at TE, and terrible defense. I’m still troubled by the fact we let him go. I think he might end up becoming a sleeper.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I won't object to yours terribly
I actually considered Kolb.
I don’t particularly like Rivers, and I can’t justify it. Sometimes you just don’t think a guy would be a fit. That’s my take on him.
Romo, I think, has the same “never gets it done” that Palmer is reputed for… and on a much better grouping of talent and a real offensive line. I think he’s a middle of the pack starter. Definitely deserves the job, but I just don’t think would be an improvement.
Cutler is an okay addition, I guess. I’d put him in the “consider” before probably.
Thanks for not being dismissive of my response. [btw, I wasn’t being picky by choosing all QB’s, as that was what Cry had stated without a qualifier for starting QBs only]
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
by supergrover on Oct 26, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never been a fan of the running QB
but I am beginning to see Palmer’s lack of mobility as a major detriment. Even Big Ben can run at times, which I think helps a lot of these QBs on drives several times a game. Though, I’ll admit I haven’t really had a lot of time to see many of these QB’s lately, I still think there are more talented QB’s out there than post-elbow injured Palmer.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Poor Romeo hurted his pretty little collar bone
awwwww
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
-Rodgers threw about 10 passes Sunday that weren’t within 10 yards of a receiver. Should GB put him on the chopping block?
-Brees threw 4 int’s (2 pick 6’s to a LB I’ve never heard of).
Should the Saints cut him?
-Kolb just lost his starting job to Vick for a second time.
-Cutler throws more picks than TD’s and is a drunk.
-Romo = Palmer. Good between the 20’s but get get in the endzone.
-Flacco is starting to be exposed as a mediocre QB by many analists.
-McNabb always trows at the WR’s feet.
I could keep going but my point is that he is not as bad as people think.
by smoormandiddy on Oct 26, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guys I'd take ahead of Palmer
No question: Brady, Manning, Brees, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Ryan
Probably: Vince Young, Rivers, Schaub, Cassel
Maybe: McNabb
Would consider: Bradford, Sanchize, Freeman (all three are too young to know what they can do yet)
So in my league at best Palmer is #8 and is probably more like #11 and going down.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 26, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Vince Young???
The guy got benched for Kerry Collins and you would rather have him over Palmer? Sanchez is also a product of the O-Line and D in NY. He would be murdered in Cincy.
by smoormandiddy on Oct 26, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Big words ;)
anencephalic
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easy killer...
One good game that results in a loss doesn’t warrant a trip to Canton.
I have been very critical of Carson the past two years, but I will give credit where credit is due. He played a hell of a game and I hope there is more of it to come. I want nothing more than to see him light it up from here on out. I want to see him do it consistently, and the rest of the team needs to show some consistency as well.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
I never talked about Canton. But this guy has lead the NFL in passing twice in 6 games. That’s 33% of his games so far. Give him a real pass blocking offensive line, or maybe even just a competent playcaller, and he starts being compared to Brady and Manning again.
I’m not crowning him as the very best, I just want people to think long and hard before they start throwing around the “get rid of Palmer” garbage that’s been floating around all too often lately.
Right now, statistically, he’s in the top 10. And that’s with all the deflections for INTs and yes, his own bad choices. But you don’t just go out an acquire a top 10 QB folks. And even if you have the GREAT fortune of drafting one, how long does it take him to get there?
To add.. (only looking at the 9 QBs statistically better than him)
Carson has had less INTs than Drew Brees, Kyle Orton, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, and tied with Phillip Rivers and Joe Flacco.
Carson has more 40+ yard passes than Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, and Matt Ryan.
The only QBs throwing more attempts per game than Carson are Orton, Brees, and Manning. He has 10 touchdowns, only 4 back from the league leader. How many more big plays would he break off if the run game was respectable?
I don't know if the grass is greener on the other side, but its pretty brown and dead on this side too
All these lovely stats you put up really don’t mean much to me except they helped my fantasy team, because it didnt convert into any wins for the Cincinnati Bengals just my team named “Favre’s Farm Equipment” (my fantasy team)
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Benson?
Really? 3.5 YPC and a critical fumble after being hard hit by air?
by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 26, 2010 2:53 AM EDT reply actions
Boy that oxygen player laid a hit on Benson, I dont know anybody who could have held on to that one
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i voted for benson.
his poetic fumbles moved me. too bad the refs didn’t give him the first one.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 26, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
ZOMBIES
Watching games is like watching a halloween horror flick. There is no excitement amongst the players. Half of them are playing for next years contract which will most likely be in a different city. They showed a little life in the 3rd quarter then went back to being the walking dead. Bengal fans are now the guy in the flick that everyone knows is going to get killed, hearts being cut out again! Trick or Treat gang, don’t stop at MB’s house, he gave out his last clue years ago! Just going to get a kick in the junk.
by Vman in Germany on Oct 26, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions
going for a festive adjective
i understand what you are saying, would agree that some of this team lacks heart.
we counted out bengals players busting their butts last sunday in the game thread, think we ended up with 11-13 names on offensive, defense, and special teams.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
+1
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I’d give it to Leon Hall, solely because of that one INT that visibly energized the entire team. Without that spark, Bengals lose 45-10.
When is Palmer going to win us a game?
He has a lot of yards and touchdowns when we’re getting blown out, or at least after a defense has given up on trying and cannot get its intensity back. Carson has yet to play well against a defense that was on its toes at the time. Our two wins came in some terrible Palmer games. He tried to throw away the game against Baltimore, and he was bad at Carolina.
He’s got numbers here and there, but he has yet to win us a game. Not one.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Oct 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
+10000000000
Just because he put up a lot of stats I don’t think he deserved the game ball, he played terrible in the first half. I have to admit he didn’t cost us the game this time, but your right the Tampa Bay game memory hasn’t faded for me, but it has for some obviously.
Jordan Shipley gets my game ball, that boy is the bomb
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to clarify, because i always have to anyway
I was proud of Palmer, he played great in the second half, I’m just saying don’t be blinded by those stats. He still has 10 games to prove himself, lets hope we can go 10-0, 9-1, 8-2, something like that in the last ten games. Hopefully Palmer can win a game for us because the way the defense has been playing, we will need him at his best to stay in these shootout type games that will be coming.
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 26, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Palmer did what he needed to for us to win
The D didn’t
by Throw the ball on Oct 26, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop it.
He did not do what he needed to win. He sucked for the entire first half, and then he tore apart a defense that had mentally and strategically checked out. In addition, a lot of the yardage he put up was YAC, so credit the receivers for that. Shipley, TO and Ocho played great Sunday, and they should be given the game ball. 400+ passing yards is the same as 400+ receiving yards, so before you tell me he did what he needed to win, let’s examine where those 400 yards came from. In my mind, it was almost all on the pass-catchers.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Oct 26, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You stop it.
Carson did everything he needed to win. Maybe you missed the passes bouncing off of Ocho’s hand in the first half? The receivers didn’t step it up until the second half. You say most of the yards are after catch, but you fail to realize it’s Carson’s hot read that puts the ball in the hands of the receiver that is able to run after catch. Maybe you also missed the huuge drive killing penalties? Maybe you missed the struggling run game?
So ridiculous. You’re delusional, I hope Carson get’s traded away so you can all eat a big heaping serving of crow. You’ll be longing for the days of 400+ passing yards.
Exactly Zero Bengals drives in the second half ended in a punt.
That’s what I call getting it done. The defense clearly lost that game for the team. Aside for Hall’s INT and Jones’ fumble return, Atlanta was moving the ball on EVERY drive.
This is our year!
So now we need to examine every yard he throws because it's impossible for our QB to do anything good anymore
This board is getting crazy.
Drew Brees gets a TON of yards off of little bootlegs or screens and he is a top 3 QB according to most, but I guess the YAC for him is OK because he isn’t Carson Palmer. Haters gonna hate
by Throw the ball on Oct 26, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There are only 5 QBs in the league that have won Super Bowls, meaning 27 QBs are ‘losers’. Of the 5, none of them won it alone. They were obviously all clutch at times to allow their teams to win, but the reality is any QB needs the team around them to win the grand prize.
Palmer is what he is. He’s a good NFL QB who does more good than bad and is more than capable of winning. I don’t think he is the best or worst QB in the league and I sure as heck don’t think he is the reason this team has not ‘won’ since he has been here.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Oct 26, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
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