Gotta Blame the Management
I have to admit, I haven't been around the jungle too much lately. Maybe its the grad school, maybe its the fully loaded schedule, or maybe its because I've been more depressed about the Bengals than a polar bear on his new beach front property. The truth is, once the losses start piling up the finger pointing starts. And while it may not be helpful, I'm pointing the blame straight up at Mike Brown, who couldn't create a winning environment with Michael Phelps, Donald Trump, and The Gecko from those Geiko commercials (he's so charismatic... I'd buy anything from that guy) on his staff.
Here's how I see the problem
1) Bargain Bin Shopping - Mike Brown got a lot of praise for his bargain bin shopping last year. Guys like Dhani Jones, Tank Johnson, and Chris Crocker were reasons for this. But the problem with the bargain bin is that you usually get a few defects in the product. Dhani misses tackles, Tank doesn't push up field, and Croker can't cover tight ends... whoops. This year was more of the same. Antonio Bryant could have been a steal at the price we got him if not for the fact that... oops, he couldn't even make the opening day roster because of his knee. Adam Jones worked out well until he got hurt this last game against the Falcons. The point is, if you continue to put an average product on the field you're going to get average results, and thats what we're looking at this year.
2) Draft Stragegy, "Take the guy nobody else wants." - The blame for this could go a number of ways, but I'm blaming it on ole MIkey Boy because he hasn't hired a GM and thus doesn't give the staff the adequate resources for drafting. Regardless, our draft strategy goes like this, first look at all the guys that were hyped a lot before the draft. Second, wait for one of those guys to start falling because of character concerns. Third, Pick up that player. Examples of this are... Andre Smith, Odell Thurman, and Rey Maualuga. How is this working out for us? Andre blocked Abraham last week... wait, no he didn't, Odell is out of the league, and Rey looked he got hit by a Chevy truck whenever he tried to tackle Turner. Of course the last few drafts we've found some gems, Shipley, Scott, Huber, etc. But without a GM and an adequate scouting department this team will never draft consistently enough to put elite talent on the field.
3) He won't get game changers (unless their on the bargain bin of course) - Do you think we'd be 2-4 if we'd gotten a Julius Peppers, Aaron Kampman, or Kyle Vanden Bosch? I don't. How about Albert Haynesworth for a second round pick (not like we don't waste second round picks anyway)? But despite the fact that each of these guys would be a perfect fit in a 4-3 system, we never heard a whisper about picking up any of those players. TO has been a game changer this year, but don't you think a Brandon Marshall would look just that much better? Do you think Brandon Marshall would have stayed in bounds on that bomb in the fourth from Palmer? I do. Maybe its complacency, maybe its something else, but what i know is that this team has to be more aggressive in free agency and the trade market to be considered elite.
Regardless, these are the pointless ramblings of a depressed man. Despite Mike Brown, this team has a ton of talent and the ability to win games against the best teams in the league. If only we could fire Mike! Who Dey!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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I blame Mikey Boy too… but not for the talent on the field. Sure it’s not perfect. Name one team out there that is. Nobody is undefeated. The two super bowl participants from last year look like crap (at least both do, that helps… sorta…).
I blame Mikey Boy for being too stupid to realize that even Dallas with loads of elite talent can’t compete without proper coaching. And he doesn’t have Dallas’ roster. If he truly wants to win, he has got to get out the way. Let Marvin sink or swim with an OC that is at least halfway decent. It’s Marvin’s coaching staff, not his. Marvin wanted to fire Brat in 2008 or at least before 2009. Let him. Marvin may or may not even be a good coach, but he’s who we have at the moment, and whomever we have next year (whether Marvin or somebody else) simply MUST be given the ability to pick his own coaching staff. And they must have the ability to sink or swim based on their choices in this regard.
Otherwise the blame falls on Mikey instead. And he deserves it. So if he wants to avoid it, get out of the way and let your coach do what you hired him to do.
I disagree with your opinion sir
But I’ll defend to the death your right to say it! I think since the personnel on the field is Mikey’s responsibility because he hasn’t hired a GM (like every other sane owner has done). M. Lewis takes some responsibility and so does Zimmer and Brat, however it all goes back to the top, and I really believe that with better ownership we’d have better personnel.
No GM and not much of a scouting staff
and as a result the drafts since 1990 have been littered with horrible busts, and even a few that are so embarrassing that they make you question whether this team should be in Arena Football or something. Sean Brewer? Really? And followed that up with Jerome Simpson and Chase Coffman? Between them they’ve got 2 career receptions: a 2nd and two 3rds.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Oct 28, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Because of the way our ‘system’ is set up.. which means everything from our owner, to our scouting department (one or two guys with no previous scouting experience), to our Scotch Tape FO, and even the fact that we STILL have no GM.. all of that crap plus the unfortunate reality that it’s all underfunded, under resourced, and way below league norm..
This team has to score big on every draft choice, and we haven’t.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Oct 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Points taken!
If I coulda…woulda…Shoulda!!
let’s see…
Brandon Marshall, Anquan Bouldin, Dez Bryant, or Antonio Bryant… Hmmm,, Mikey screwed that one up “BIG TIME”! I think he had Bratworst in his ear! I was all for Bouldin and Dez as a second choice! Imagine Dez and Shipley running together?? TO and CHAD might have been by-lines! But that suggests Palmer would be able to see anybody but them…
Julius Peppers would have been the correct choice – Would have showed Rey a thing or 2!
"Bratkowski-- Off with his head!!!"
Do you think Brandon Marshall would've came here to play second fiddle to Chad?
Or Chad be willing to play second fiddle to anyone but T.O.? Do you think Mikey would’ve given up two picks (which yielded Gresham and Shipley, mind) to get Boldin? Do you want Gresham (who is starting now and much more of an asset to us) over Dez Bryant?
First...
In the pre-season WR sweeps Cincy needed help for CHAD..
In March there was Boldin (sucked up by Baltimore though Cincy was in the mix for him but thought him too expensive). He was traded for 3rd and 4th round picks.
Cincy felt “compelled” to make a move (knee jerk reaction because they didn’t move on Boldin when they had the chance) so they took Antonio Bryant with a bad knee and all without giving up draft choices even though there was the option of negotiating for Marshall who was unhappy in Denver. Apparently they felt Marshall had character issues and 2 second round picks (2010, 2011 draft) +Salary extension was too expensive.
Either of these choices would have meant TO wasn’t in the cards because he was only taken for insurance when the Bengals realized Bryant’s knee wasn’t going to hold up.
I was all for Gresham in the 1st rouind, and Shipley was taken in the 3rd round. So had we taken Marshall there would not have been an effect on our drafting of Shipley in the 3rd round.
In the 2nd round of the draft we took Carlos Dunlap (DE) who has a total of 1 tackle through 6 games!!
Taking Boldin, we could have moved on Shipley in the 2nd round. And we had 2 picks in the 4th round and would still have taken Atkins.
As it is, we took Antonio Bryant, he didn’t play a down, and he’s sueing the Bengals to get his full $7Mil guarantee. Even if we win the suit, it is costing money.
"Bratkowski-- Off with his head!!!"
I keep thinking Boldin commanded a first round pick.
Dammit Denver, stop screwing with my head.
But this still doesn’t answer the question about Chad. You’re basically assuming we had the option to go out and get a bunch of #1 guys but not thinking how Chad would’ve taken it or how he would’ve gotten along with another player. I’m all for upgrades, but I don’t know why we focused so much on #1 type receivers. I would’ve been very happy with Burleson or Kevin Walter, who actually fill the need for a #2 type.
Well, that, and that Mikey gives up draft picks as frequently as a fat chick gets laid.
+1
Agree. I could be happy with either
I like Nate.. He’s under utilized in Detriot And Walter is looking like he’s a steady stud in Houston… I had to find it but see this story on Boldin…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970057
"Bratkowski-- Off with his head!!!"
remember when we let Kevin Walter go
and i believe got nothign in return….super job of evaluating/developing talent once again
I really don't think our WR corp was a mistake
And I’d take TO and Chad over Shipley and Dez for wins now, which is what Lewis needs.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
TO has been pretty great
But how long is TO going to stick around? How about Chad? Unfortunately, at best we can hope for three years, and thats optimistic at best
So? Last year's draft was supposedly shallow in WR.
This year’s draft is much deeper, especially in #1 types like Julio Jones, A.J. Green, and Armon Binns. Gresham was a once-in-a-lifetime prospect at a position of much greater need than WR, I’m glad we took him over Dez Bryant.
If we’re looking for a future #1, this is the draft to do it, I just wish it wouldn’t mean Cosby’s ticket out of town because we all know we’re not cutting with Jerome Simpson ever.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 27, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll retire and coach the Bengal's receivers
"They looked far more like they....were trying to screw the football than move it downfield" JungleJohn
Doc Scratch...
Gresham has been great. I never said we should draft have drafted a WR last year… in fact I like the pick a lot.
Through the first 5 games Palmer looked mainly for TO… Only in the Atlanta game did he start throwing to CHAD, and that opened him up to throw to Shipley…
If TO is only around for this one year, so be it! And as I understand it this is CHAD’s final year, although the Bengals have an option for 2011.
"Bratkowski-- Off with his head!!!"
We have future drafts
We can pick up other FA’s, teams aren’t entirely built from the draft.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
This is kind of silly
In point 2 there is a bashing of taking talented guys in the draft b/c they fell b/c of character issues.
Point 3 then bashes the Bengals for not taking talented guys via FA or trade on the cheap b/c they had character problems w/ their former teams. You can’t bash the team in point 2 for taking guys w/ character flaws and then bash them in point 3 for not taking more guys w/ character flaws.
Point 1 bashes the defense for being filled w/ sucky football players. However, last year these sucky defenders were the 4th best defense in the league, and the year before that were 12th best.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
touche..
but there is a difference. Not all the guys in point three have character concerns. Where were we on Vanden Bosh and Kampman? Both veteran guys who are proven in a 4-3. Peppers was never a character concern either until he let it be known he wasn’t staying in Carolina. Haynesworth and Marshall… obviously character concerns… you’re right.
Point 1 doesn’t say those guys suck, it says that the reason we got them was largely because they were cheap, not because we were aggressively trying to make this team better. Some of them have worked out great… some not so much.
Point taken.
And apologies for sounding like a douche-nozzle in my post. I’m also a grad student, just getting practice dissecting an argument haha.
That’s how I view this site as “enhancing my educational experience.”
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
if only I had the passion in studying as I do at reading endless blogs.....
maybe I’d be considering grad school
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Smith has all the talent in the world, Odell was a freak on a field and eventually got off because of off the field problems (which no one could predict) and Maualuga’s out of position.
that's another problem with the Bengal's drafting
they draft players that were great in thier position in college then change them in the pros. For example, Pollock-DE in College to LB in Pros, Smith LT in College RT in Pros. Unfortunately I have to use the Steelers as an example of how you should draft. They pick players that fit their system; they put a round piece in a round hole. The Bengals draft for talent but put that player into a position of need eventhough it might be a little different from the position that player excelled in (round piece in square hole- it fits but not securely).
"They looked far more like they....were trying to screw the football than move it downfield" JungleJohn
This is an accurate knock.
I’ll take this, this is just plain stupidity to repeatedly put people out of position and expect similar production.
Partly agree
But you can’t blame the GM for players not playing as well as they should, that’s on the coach and players. A GM can only get the players, he can’t motivate them in the same way a coach or team captain can.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

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