Postgame thread: Cincinnati Bengals 20 (2-2) at Cleveland Browns* 23 (1-3)
by jsl413 on Oct 3, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
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PrintWas it all the refs' fault? No. Turning the ball over and having a field goal blocked sucks. Some of the calls were right. But the ones that really stand out after the game are the ones that changed the game. A phantom defensive holding on a stuffed running play that would have brought up 3rd and 9 with about four minutes left was just the nail in the coffin. Sure, maybe the Browns manage to convert that 3rd down on their own - but did they need the officials' help after benefiting from questionable no-calls (pass interference on a Terrell Owens target in the endzone that may have taken 4 points off the board) and calls gutted the Bengals' chances to come back late in the game.
The part that wasn't the referees' fault was certainly the Bengals' fault. They never really got the running game going, and the offensive line gave up 4 sacks. They failed to recover a Cleveland fumble. When it really mattered, they let Peyton Hillis run for 24 yards and a first down. Allowing Scott Fujita to block a field goal is unacceptable. Coverage was loose and shaky for much of the day. But really, I believe the refs took this game out of the Bengals' hands with the defensive holding call at the end of the game. The Bengals need to clean up pass protection and pre-snap penalties, but the real point swings in the game came down to:
- The blocked field goal and subsequent "unnecessary roughness" call. Borderline call at best. -3 points for Cincinnati (Cincinnati's fault) +3 points for Cleveland* (sort of Cincinnati's fault).
- Uncalled pass interference against Terrell Owens on an incomplete pass in the endzone in the second quarter. Textbook call. Them's the breaks, but likely -4 points, and that's mostly on the zebras.
- Cleveland's first drive in the second half. Totally unacceptable showing by the defense.
- Defensive holding on the last possession of the ballgame. Completely unacceptable call. Maybe Cleveland converts the subsequent 3-and-9-to-go. I doubt it. Game over.
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Mike Zimmer is all talk.
His players don’t know what a fucking tackle is.
his players are spending the next week getting chewed out in more ways than we can imagine
For here all are one
+1
Also, he’s done more than we could ask with minimal talent at the safety position. I thought the safeties, other than Ndukwe at times, were terrible.
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by Pardon_My_French on Oct 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The game might be over now.
This fucking sucks.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
thats it ballgame yall
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Im sorry
but the refs are not the ones missing tackles, blowing coverages, dropping passes, holding on to the ball for 10 seconds while waiting to be sacked and all the other BS the Bengals have done today against one of the worse teams in the NFL
You're delusional
if you think the Bengals played decent today. They deserved to lose and they lost, nothing more to it. Just because the refs missed a couple of calls doesnt mean we have to ignore all the Bengals’ shortcomings in this game against one of the worse teams in the league
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns would not have won without a lot of help from the refs
that being said, the Bengals did not play well. They are not a playoff caliber team at this point in the season. Playoff teams should be able to overcome bad ref calls. shouldn’t be left up to the refs.
honestly, i know its a rivalry, but its immature and childish to try to denigrate the browns by blaming the refs. and blaming the refs gets you nowhere and no respect by other fanbases. there were questionable calls in the browns games that they lost. There are questionable calls every game. However, the people at DBN admitted the team blew the game and the loss was fair.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Wait a minute...
Can they run the clock down now?
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
yep it's over
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
defense fails when we need em most
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How can you guys blame the refs on that play?
Im sure it’s all the refs today
Im just wondering
why can’t you hold the Bengals players accountable when they screw up? It’s always something else, the refs, the wet field, the OC. Never blame teh players..
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You clearly don't read what I'm write.
By the way, what you’re doing right now is textbook trolling. You’re baiting people.
I held Palmer accountable a few times today. But when it came down to it, the officials took the game out of the players’ hands. The defensive holding call ended the game.
Im not trolling
I’m just stating that yes, the refs did screw up. That being said, I don’t believe that was the reason the Bengals lost. We did more things wrong than right and that’s the reason we lost.
I’m a Bengals fan and it hurts to see my team, with so much talent, underachieve every single game.
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This line is blatant troll
It’s always something else, the refs, the wet field, the OC. Never blame teh players..
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
Someone ban this asshole.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
+10000000000000000000
not what I need right now.
name calling
classy. If you can’t take a different opinion from your own don’t talk to people
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You're really not worth my time.
I’m not going to fight back. There’s no reason to.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Pedro, I'm with you.
The refs were bad, but the players/coaches lost this game the same way the Ravens lost the game to us. Ravens fans bitched and moaned about the calls when we beat ’em. We said, “Well, you lost because your quarterback threw four INTs.”
Similarly, the Bengals lost because the safeties were terrible, the play-calling was bland on both sides, the tackling was a joke, and the offense was inconsistent. There were bad calls, but those were NOT the reason Cleveland won.
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by Pardon_My_French on Oct 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We lost to the fucking Browns.
The Cleveland fucking Browns. I’m disgusted. This is humiliating.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
humiliating?
dude. You take it much too personally.
Different if you made an angry post but to act as if it were a personal affront is silly.
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
the cleveland browns, a team that was within a TD of beating the ravens. a browns team that came fired up for a divisional game and played significantly better than they played against the ravens.
If you beat the ravens in a close game, and the browns lose to the ravens in a close game, how is it humiliating? logic dictates that the teams are not playing THAT much better or worse than one another.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I'm about to go hide in the shadows for another few weeks...
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
and I pathetic attempt at spelling
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
We lost to Senneca Wallace no less
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
What really sucks is that
Terrell Owens might have played his last great game of his career and it was for nothing.
Palmer 25 of 36
371 yards – time for another story line this week.
when we pass well..
we lose.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
story this week is:
we lost.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
weak weak weak
we all knew this would happen, dont say you were not thinking it, we are way over rated
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It took a blocked FG, a phantom PI, an uncalled PI in the endzone, and a phantom hold for the Bengals to lose.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
a good team should overcome those against a crappy team that will not win more than 5 games this season
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
we can only stop so many drives
The refs continually allowed them to extend drives
Browns are now 9-1-1 in their last 11 games against the spread. They are not crappy, they are underrated. 5-6 in their last 11.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
-1
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what to tell you
if you think the Browns are any good.
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They'e aren't good. They are an average team that can't finish. Today, they finished, albeit it was aided by the officials.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
what about that personal foul that extended the TD drive?
Refs didnt lose it we did
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No one's saying the ref's lost it. Saying that contributed. It took a lot of #$#$% up #@$%# to go against the Bengals for them to lose, that's the point.
Dropped 2 INT and couldn’t recover a fumble as well. Not sure what’s so hard to understand.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
I agree with that
I just wish people would realize that and stop blaming the refs. Against the Ravens we got some shady calls, this time it went against us.
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
at least palmer and t.o. are now on the same page, hopefully that sticks
For here all are one
absolutely ridicoulous.
Refs seriously blew this one. Sure the d couldve done better. But its hard to win when you’re playing against the refs too.
live by the pass
die by the pass. big fail. fire brat.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
At least the Reds won again today
20 games over for the season. At least one cincy franchise has their act together.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
True that
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
2-2
weak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i feel like a bulldog just took a dump on my chest
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
by duffmane on Oct 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
still got the Saints and more!!!
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
if benson didnt suck in the first half we could have won how many times 1st down 2nd down run and 3rd and 7
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
If Palmer doesnt get sacked on a 3, let me say that again 3 man rush
we would have a shot at a fg
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you guys seriously arguing over whether Benson or Palmer should be blamed more?
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I wasnt blaming Palmer.....
O-line on that sack
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Helps if you block all of the 3 though
and that you have a receiver open (one that has a chance of getting a first down)
There were a lot of plays you could pick
Fumbles, penalties that killed drives, sacks, missed tackles. It was a bad football game and it sucks we can’t have a decent team two years in a row.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
agreed
to much to ask to have a good team around here
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're Pittsburgh or Baltimore...
…you find a way not to lose.
Or at least have a shot at them in the last 2 minutes.
Truth
But who’s was more costly?
Since Benson and Palmer had one a piece
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
THE WHOLE TEAM BLEW THIS.
Except Owens. He played his balls off.
by KSE on Oct 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we know you love Palmers Balls grizz
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yes he did
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said I felt that way
just can’t stand people placing all the blame on him. Or never giving him any credit.
my comment kinda came out wrong, didnt mean Nuts, meant thrown balls
but I do give him credit when it is do, he played well today (not in the first quarter)
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Palmer was great. He and TO did everything they could to help us win. Too bad the other players didn’t help.
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
For truth
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
doesnt matter right now
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
of course it does.
Two of those guys are crucial players to this teams hopefully future success.
by KSE on Oct 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
future he says
pffft
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Brown continues to be our future
And that’s really all you need to know.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
I hope Williams is out
so Ndukwe can start over that clown.
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by Pardon_My_French on Oct 3, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Annoying
What’s annoying is Marvin asking “which number” on a penalty call in the first half and then not challenging a tackle clearly out of bounds in the second. Maybe the rules do not allow the latter, but he’s pathetic to watch especially when officials clearly get it wrong.
besides the Refs and the Fumbles
I thought a big reason the Bengals lost was because of the Browns’ offensive line dominance. Our Def tackles were being blown back.
Yeah and it looks like I need to renew my subscription.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheeit
More like Alcohol Daily after I watched this train wreck.
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to look to next week.
This game was a dissapointment sure. Carson did well. Batman found his groove. Defence played mediocre. What i see is a team finding its stride hopefully. It shouldnt take us this long. But imagine if we hit our stride mid season for our hardest games and we get Benson on track, Alfred, Batman and Robin, and our stellar D. We’ll be pretty damn good. We should learn from this loss. And now move on to Tampa. WHO DEY
+1
2-2 isn’t the end of the world and if the offense keeps improving the team could really hit the second half of the season in stride.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
We still have the same lazy, incompetent OC next week and the owner won’t do anything about it. So why bother?
check this out TennBengalFan
>http://www.ehow.com/facts_4813761_nfl-face-guarding-rules.html
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
That is nice and all but tell that to the officials
they called it, Brad and Lap explained it
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
they called it, it must be a real penalty, or they didnt get the memo
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This wasnt a shock
We havent played a full game all year,and we didnt today either,yep there were a few strange calls;The holding on Pat Sims was awfull but,we were in FG territory late and a stupid penalty and sack bagged it for us. All year Stupid penalties and a crucial sacks have killed us. I take some heart in the fact that we at least looked like we knew what we were doing on offense(But why not go to Gresh later in the game?) but this team still needs to pull its finger out. Defensively on the first and last drives of the 2nd half we just didnt get it done.
That personal foul on Ndukwe was a bullshit call
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
4 real!!!
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really sick of this team.
I don’t think Marvin is doing enough to discipline these guys, the defense got bowled over all freaking day! we just seem like such a lazy team that really dosn’t show much hunger at all, and frankly, I’m not too sure we’re going to do much against TB either.
Marvin's idea of discipline
have Zimmer yell really really loud…and go out for ice cream and a movie.
by KSE on Oct 3, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and they are going to be coming off of a bye. I hope the team plays possessed next weekend.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What a lost opportunity...
the Bengals had a legit shot to win at the end and then choked. Palmer had a big day but COME ON, he cannot take those sacks. When it mattered, the Bengals folded today. Hopefully, they’ll learn from this and move on.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
blame the offensive line
Roland should have never been beat. Yes, Palmer should have gotten rid of it but he was looking downfield and trying to win the game. If the offensive line doesn’t block, Palmer is terrible
while it's true that Palmer can't take those sacks when he holds on to the ball for a while
we can’t blame this game on Palmer. It’s the best game he played since the Chicago game last season, he did everything he could.
by pedro_oliveira on Oct 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
8-8 is extremely optimistic
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FAULT
Surely, the defeat is not being put on refereeing.
Gutsy call in the first quarter on that Watson TD call. OK, no TD … but I wonder if Lewis throws the flag (they’re relying on Rich Gannon on TV, let’s be clear).
I dont blame refs one bit
Bengals lost Browns won, we couldnt tackle, block, catch, etc.. when it counted most
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the disappointing thing is that despite the crappy calls
they still had an opportunity to win and failed just the same.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
well, this really blows, embarrasing to lose to a 4-12 team
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i dont think they are underrated.....they have a team of professionals that can put together once in awhile
but their r
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
only good news today?
Pittsburgh 3-1
Ravens 3-1
Bengals 2-2
Clowns 1-3
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hopefully, the Ravens and Steelers gave each other mono.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
Question
If Carson was allowed to go no huddle in the first half, do we put more points on the board?
Hammerin Hank picked it 23-20 Browns
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TO 10 catches 222 yards and a TD
Beast
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Just watching CBS post game
Out of all the ref calls they show that they think was questionable is the Browns’ personal foul on Shipley. WTF. I repeat WTF.
look who is on their panel
Bill Cowher and Boomer “I hate the Bengals” esiason.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
I'm not blaming CBS- the Bengals deserved to lose
I’m wondering why they chose to to show the Shipley hit as a bad ref call.
We just lost an apparently big game to the 0-3 Browns.
So yeh, national media swings back to Bengal hatred again.
Unfair
Rich Gannon has seen enough of the Bengals this season. Thought his commentary today was excellent, really under-rated commentator.
from a different angle, it does show that TJ ward was already in motion with the hit when Shipley has the ball for a second in his hands. There is also a possibility from what I am hearing, that where ward was aiming was not Shipley’s helmet when he started the hit but shipley ducked a bit. the second part I have not verified, but the first part is legitimate.
It is like a roughing the passer call where a QB throws it and the call is made, but the guy really can’t stop the tackle.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Whenever a receiver gets hit in the head by another helmet AND forearm, it's going to be a foul.
Even if he catches the ball.
from the angle I saw, he hits Shipley in the shoulder. I can’t find video to double check however.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
like I said, I don’t have it in front of me.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
TROLL ALERT
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
really?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
necessary?
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
It makes me mad we lose a game that we shouldve won by far
o well, im done bitching until tomorrow, im going to go cry in a corner now
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Overall I blame the coaching
Yes the players made some mistakes, but we have all the talent in the world. On offense, we have million dollar players and 3 cent coaches. That needs to change. Overall, Marvin is the worst clock manager in the game. Bratkowski should not be calling plays for an NFL team. The O Line needs help, both players and coaching. The D had an off day but it wasn’t a blowout. WIth our talent we should have been able to score a lot more points. Bratkowski has no clue what he is doing, and at this point I’m not sure he cares. I don’t know how how he could possibly be putting much time and effort into game planning. And we all know he can’t make an adjustment to save his life. I thought we were gonna have a great year. Now I have to say that with Bratkowski still in charge of the offense, we have no hope.
by BonnieBengal on Oct 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
now this is what i'm saying!!!
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My point here, complaining about the officials, is simply that they made too big of an impact on this game.
They obviously did not decide the game. But the calls they made DID make a pronounced impact on the game. That’s all I’m saying.
Yes I agree.
The officials were horrible, especially in the first half. But I blame our poor coaching even more.
Yeah sounds awful familiar round here
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say the roughing call in the Ravens game was much less impactful than the calls today.
It was a first down play, etc.
Chad really hurt the team’s chances today. So did the defense – they failed to make a bad offense look as bad as it was. Not enough takeaways. No pressure. Bad tackling.
Hold on
Is it not better to put points on the board first?
Thought the guy making the call on the Browns TD (which wasn’t) made a gutsy call in front of 70,000. Say what you like, but home field didn’t count for anything there – good refereeing did.
Just like last year, if losing to you guys means we have the better record overall and/or win in the playoffs, so be it, which is what has happened recently.
I can see the Bengals coming back though.
Only a quarter of the season. Good thing is, they have two good rivals pushing them to be even better than they think they are.
have your popcorn ready
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
Your team did what we couldn’t. Close it out and win. Congrats on the win today.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But he makes plays when he needs to. And he made all the right plays today.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the bengals were loading up guys and calling a good amount of run blitzes. a runner without his kind of power would have gotten stuffed in the backfield half the time, but he was able to manage 2 yard gains.
The defense gameplanned pretty well against him, he just was able to still do well.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I gotta give it to Hillis
You guys made out on that trade. and you dumped Quinn. Win win for you guys
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure he was…but thats not really the point.
He was averaging 3 ypc without a change of pace back, and with the defense loading the box against a QB who rarely would try it deep. the browns didn’t load up the box a ton, but Benson struggled for most of the game.
Stats do not always tell the whole story.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
really? I am a spinmaster?
The Bengals loaded up the box against hillis. this was a smart move because Wallace doesn’t often throw it downfield and pretty much didn’t against the bengals.
There is a big difference between running against a team thats playing 8-9 men in the box (pretty consistently) and sending run blitzes and running against a team that isn’t putting their safeties in much and focusing more on the WRs.
The browns have been able to stop the run pretty well WITHOUT loading up the box. however, they have struggled against the pass, which is why their safeties played in coverage much more than against the run. Hillis’ 3.8 ypc>Benson’s 4.0, simply because the Bengals D was playing to stop hillis and the Browns D wasn’t doing the same with benson.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It was more about WHEN he ran and not HOW
the offensive playcalling later in the game sputtered. spin that? ;)
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
ha. I almost thought you were serious about the spin.
I don’t see how it matters in what period of the game Benson ran well. Hillis ran the best in key situations though, and Cincy might have had a shot if it wasn’t for hillis stepping up on the last drive.
‘When’ in a sense of quarter by quarter I don’t agree matters. “When” in a sense of play by play I do.
I also don’t see how the offensive playcalling had to do with Benson. He seemed to run better, later in the game when the Offensive playcalling you say was worse.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
yeah our Oline sucks.
any more criticisms, brownie?
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
You want me to criticize the browns? we can’t move the ball through the air, we commit too many penalties, and we let up too many big plays through the air. our offensive playcalling is very unimaginative at times and our offense seems to implode consistently in the 2nd half.
I’m not being biased, or a homer, but realistic.
I also never say here that the O-Line sucks. In fact, the O-Line opened up holes very well for Benson and the other RBs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You're just an overall downer
Lol i think you have cleveland-itis
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
In fact, the O-Line opened up holes very well for Benson and the other RBs.
You’re just an overall downer
really??
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Benson: 60 yards on 15 carries...
is NOT good, bearing in mind he only had 30 yds on 10 attempts in the first half. So that’s the O-line opening up holes well??
I’m sorry man, i mis-judged you. I shouldn’t have said downer, i meant downs.
because youre retarded.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
wow…really? you have resorted to calling me mentally retarded? No wonder you are a cincy fan…
actually, thats 4 yards per carry. considering that for the season, he has averaged 3.3 yards per carry, that is good. Its maybe only average, but good for him at this point.
When I saw Cedric benson rip the browns for some nice runs, he had great holes to run through on the D. The O-Line wasn’t bad at opening up holes in the first half.
Even if Benson wasn’t running well, that doesn’t mean he didn’t have holes. the browns experienced this early in the year with Jerome Harrison when he didn’t hit the hole with authority consistently. Not all the onus for the yards per carry falls on the OL, the Running back is the one that is carrying it and he didn’t carry it well, consistently in the first half.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
4 ypc
hey man not all us flunked out of high school. I can do basic division. way to be a classless jackass stating your oh so obvious ‘facts’. BUT that stat does not fit our “run-first” mentality that we won the division with last season.
And when did he rip the browns in the first half??? provide facts not opinions thanks.
oh and did you read my other responses yet? lol you’ll get a kick out of em! ..and probably write another LOOONG response to each.
all i ask is if it’s really worth it? you’ve proved you are not an expert and have nothing of value to say. Bye-bye! :D
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
Nope, he actually surprised me today.
Running backs this year have been outright terrible on a whole this year. I can’t think of one solid back besides Chris Johnson and Peyton Hillis that have gotten close to 100 yards rushing each week (Ray Rice?).
I thought we were
But I guess I was wrong. We can no longer overcome our poor offensive coaching and our owner refuses to fire his buddy Bob, so we are pretty much screwed.
lets just stop blaming the refs it just makes us look like ravens fans
by bengalinflorida on Oct 3, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I Disagree.
The D had an off day, but our offense should have been able to put up a lot more than 23 points. It’s the poor game planning of Bob Bratkowski that stalls our offense. We have a lot of talent on offense and he has no clue how to use it. We have problems on the O Line and his answer is always to blame the players.
Well I need to go take the Browns to the Super Bowl
and I do not mean the Cleveland Browns..:)
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
I'm at a loss.
I just can’t describe what happened here. Who’s the goat of this game? The OLine for allowing the Brownies four sacks? The defense for allowing the Brownies 23 points? Ced for still struggling? Special teams for that blocked kick? The Refs?
We lost. Now we take our lumps and move on. People will mock us, the national media will hate us, that’s just how it’ll be. The season’s not over. We started last year exactly like this and we ended up in the playoffs. We dropped an easy game. That’s one more hard-fought win we’ll have to squeak out this year. Can we do it? Hell yes.
Move on. The NFL is a week-by-week process. Things can be turned around from even the worst losses.
Scratch
Clear call on the 4 sacks, but Reggie Kelly’s crap block was the worst of them. We can keep the downer on Brat if we want, but look at New Orleans v Carolina today – will there be the same outcry in New Orleans? It’s time to take things in stock. The offense did more or less to win this – the Palmer fumble and the blocked field goal caused the defeat. No more, no less (and no issue with the referees, please).
OK
4 sacks, there were three off the blindside in terms of numbers, the worst of which came after Kelly messed up a clear one-on-one. So I can’t call the OL for the 4 sacks, as I think one was by the OL.
The Bengals were rubbish last week, but won. Media darlings, the Saints, struggled more this week against the same crap team the Bengals played. I’m no Brat fan, but it can’t be that he’s wrong ALL the time.
The national media in the US don’t look outside the big catchment areas, so the old storylines about the Bengals still live. That shows how crap the “national” media actually is.
I’ve moved on. There is no away “banana skin” as the NFL results home. To get to the playoffs, you need to win at home and win a few on the road to make it.
I’d have taken 3-2 at the bye, but not this way. It was sad to lose the unbeaten AFC North record against a team that will lose more than they win – and they know that too.
Oh, so justification of what I said.
That was mild sarcasm of the general bloodlust people around here have for x person(s)‘s head. I wasn’t really serious about any of it.
No, Brat’s not wrong. In fact, Brat mildly surprised me last week with the way he was using Leonard. It was a thing of beauty to behold. I’ve just kinda grown accustomed to it, though I wish he’d let Palmer go on his own for awhile.
I’m sad at this loss but it is what it is. We take our lumps and move on.
We have no choice
But a lovely call for Leonard on that TD pitch.
Not bad on the Owens TD bomb either.
Positives?
In the end, Hall makes a great INT and no points are scored off it. That’s the actual difference.
Divisional matchup games are always tough.
The browns are 0-3 but led all the games going into the 4th quarter and lost 3 games by a combined 12 points (this is a better team than the record suggests).
The browns always play the bengals tough, even when the browns are bad. look at last year where the browns were significantly worse and the bengals were playing better.
This was an away game in the division against an underrated team that was hungry for their first win.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Agreed. the bengals were the better team on paper, but the browns played better and were hungrier. I think it was that hunger that made the difference. Honestly, if the browns beat the ravens last week, I am not sure if they have the fire to win this game.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
yeah. those plays turned the game but in many games, one or 2 plays are the difference. the game was that close however, because of the O-Line play which stalled multiple bengal drives.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I dunno how good they are as pass blockers. The run blocking was okay (opened up some holes, like on the TD run, but also collapsed a few times) but the big problem was pass pro.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Mathis has always been the better pass-blocker.
I don’t know why Livings starts when Mathis is very obviously good at passpro. It doesn’t make sense, especially when this team continues to pass it despite being run first.
I don’t know why they don’t just take the risk on Andre and let him get in there and play. That’s what he needs—playing time.
yeah, i am reading up on Mathis and it seems like it would be good to start him. Isn’t he a tackle though and livings is a guard?
It really doesn’t make a lot of sense. by the Offensive line, the bengals are built to pound the ball, but they can’t protect the QB. The bengals skill positions are built to pass the ball (Benson is probably not a feature back who should get the ball 350 times and carry a team). Its an odd combination
the browns have the same in that they are built around running the ball, but their line is better in Pass Pro, though they are probably better run blocking than Cincy is pass blocking.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Please man....
we are overated…the defense is lacking depth…finally our terrible drafts are coming back to bite us…Rivers is slow and not good and rey rey you wonder why he dropped to the second round… i am just excited to see who we will draft this year….btw a. smith looked really slow and really bad…i feel sick to my stomach…but like i said i guess we are over rated..i am really really pissed off…i could take this computer and throw it harder than c. palmer has ever dreamed…
Why are you here.
What are you possibly spewing.
You don’t even sound sensible, you just sound overly worked-up by the loss and aren’t even making sense.
Bad drafts? The last two have been superb.
Defense lacking depth? DLine Rotation and CB depth have a lot to say about that. Ndukwe sees a lot of playing time too.
Rivers is slow and not good? Why is a linebacker in single coverage against a receiver?
Rey? Makes a mix of good and bad plays. Needs to not go for the big hits all the time but he still flies around everywhere. Hell, not even in his natural position. The only LB usually called out is Dhani, which…you oddly don’t mention?
Also, we’re not overrated. I figure we’re good at the moment, just things keep biting us in the ass.
Bad drafts...
first of all watch your mouth doc..i am your huckleberry…spewing no…ok…worked up yes…don’t question my bengal loyalty…
Carlos dunlap…deactivated..
geno atkins…not playing..
a. smith…really man…i want him to play more than anything…
j simpson…waste…
most will agree rivers has been a let down…
and rey rey i own his jersey…overated…
we are certainly overated…
i am guessing chad will say a few things…about how the offense not performing is his fault which secretly means he wants the ball..
yes..we have had a few lucky hits in the draft…j. ship, and a few others…
we wont resign benson..thinking scott is the answer..guess what he isn’t…
we won’t sign marvin….mistake…
i think chad can opt out…if he can he will..probably go to NE…and win a championship
b. williams is gone after this year..
one of our lockdown corners is gone after this year…
Not signing Marvin isn't a mistake
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Marvin Lewis couldn't manage a freaking sundial
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunlap is in his rookie year and most DLinemen take a year to get into stride as it is. It’s rare when one succeeds, especially to the level of Suh at the moment.
Geno Atkins not playing is on the coaches. That kid plays well, really well.
Andre the Fat Man needs to earn his spot or be removed. Only blemish of an otherwise superb 2009 draft.
Simpson has been waiting in the wings for Chad’s retirement. I want him gone too, but here he is.
People are split on Rey and Rivers. Rivers is a very, very solid guy, does exactly what you ask him to do. He makes all the right plays, is not flashy, but will get the job done.
Rey is a more explosive player and therefore whiffs occasionally. I’m not judging him until he’s back at MLB. That’s what he was drafted for.
The rest of this is just pure pessimism that I honestly don’t care to respond to.
he can't create openings. every single team has shut him down in the first half
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
Say whatever u want but do the math - Cedric killing us in first half
2 times he did nothing on back to back runs gaining nothing and led to two punts and also lost one early again. he has not broke anything in 8 quarters this season in the first half.
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
Rhythm
He needs to get the legs churning.
If you’re down every game, then you’re stuffed. Again the case early in the third today.
Thats why scott is better early
he can make his own openings where Benson needs to wait for holes not thr right style for our offense right now.
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
Fair call
But the Bengals make it obvious where the gameplan is…
Where Leonard is placed, where Scott is placed (late in the first half as the featured back).
Stick with the guy who got the lumps last year until he proves he cannot do it. He CAN do it if you want to own a game and run a clock.
Dont blame the refs
How about blaming Bratkowski? Is there any reason this guy should still be calling plays? Is it coincidence that once we go to the no-huddle then the offense starts to click?
- What was the point of caling a run play on 2nd and 16 from the Cleveland 18 yeard line? Complete moron….
Slow starts are going to doom this team. We should be in no-huddle mode right out of the gate.
Very bad loss today. Cleveland is ok, but this bengals team looks like 8-8 right about now
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
8-8?
we’ll be lucky to finish 6-10 at this pace.
Nice use of Scott in the first half on screens and Gresham in the second half
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
exactly
For Fuck Sake! Gresham,5 catches early and looks good after the catch,then where does he go?? As for B Scott,been hearing all off season they have packages and plays for him…well where are they? He has explosive capabilities and we dont use him. Fucking joke TBH.
They were blitzing corners for the whole first half,where were the flairs and the screens to take advantage. Honest to Christ,we only move the ball with any consistancy when we go no huddle,Keep Bratkowski out of the loop. the slow starts are killing us.
Very much so.
Thank you, tired of hearing how great the Steelers are.
This loss bites but at least I don’t have to listen to “STEELERS SUPERBOWL BOUND” all week either.
Yea exactly. And don’t let them use the “we didn’t have Ben thing” because they lost to a Ravens team without Ed Reed, it’s best OL, and it’s #1 CB along with a banged up Rice.
Well, I can try.
But the only way to stop them from saying something is by duct-taping their mouthes shut.
They’re gonna say it. It’s just how it is, they’re Steelers fans.
They're Steelers fans...
…they’d have two entry and two exit points, then.
Good luck with the duct tape. I’d recommend a blow torch.
The only people that like steelers fans…are other steelers fans it seems like.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The only problem is there are so damn many that they keep reproducing.
And the fact that they keep winning just draws more bandwagoners in. It’s insane!
When you play a first place schedule,
you can’t lose to teams like Cleveland. The schedule is just too hard to be losing to last place teams.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
yes Skyline in Florida
too bad not in Tenn
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Or even NOhio
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
at least this is making me laugh or i would be nauseas
only twitter i read. guy tweeting as the planet they found last week lol.
http://twitter.com/RealGliese581
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
I'm pretty sure the Floridians are just dumb and seem to continue to spell "White Castle" as "Crystal."
They are also blind and keep painting the buildings red. Just how they are.
No
Krystals are not even close to being as good as White Castles. They are at best a poor imitation.
just curious
why do you refuse to use the Reply button? It is there for a reason
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
The sack on the last drive
that took us out of Nugent’s range was big.
Just some notes..
The Bengals had three redzone trips that resulted in only one TD. The Browns had 4, resulting in one TD.
The Bengals had 8 penalties called on them for 79 yards. The Browns had 7 for 44 yards.
Bengals had 6 more first downs (16), and Cleveland had 3 first downs from penalties.
Bengals had over 100 more yards of total offense, but the time of possession was pretty much 50/50.
The Browns ran MUCH better than the Bengals. 8 rushing first downs (49 more yards overall) compared to 3 for the Bengals, and I believe those 3 were all in the second half when the No-Huddle was being run.
And Keith Rivers was far and away the best player on defense today. 9 tackles, 8 solo. The only sack of the game, and one of only THREE tackles for a loss. Crocker also stepped up with 8 tackles, 7 solo, a tackle for a loss, and he stopped a Hillis TD. Overall the defense was average.
Recipe for disaster.
So you’re saying Crocker was supposed to be the entire defense today?
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No, just some facts to add behind the notes
Which will not change the result.
Stats only have value in the context. The Browns ran MUCH better than the Bengals depends on when and where you need to run it.
That’s all.
totally agree. I posted below that although rivers had a ton of tackles, he got run over by hillis once and had one missed tackle that I can remember.
I don’t remember particularly the crocker missed tackles however
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
oh my god
I tripped, fell, and woke up in second grade.
You need to go cool off or something.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Just looking at the game, mate
Stick to the ads, you’ll be ok.
Thanks.
Crocker was caught on a first quarter play, and then for the TD in the second. Both facts, sorry.
No one was disputing that he missed a couple tackles. Find me a safety that doesn’t miss tackles. Please.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Crocker also stepped up with 8 tackles, 7 solo, a tackle for a loss, and he stopped a Hillis TD.
That was a copy-paste you took from somewhere and put it here. Crocker might have saved a TD, but he cost more and the stats analysis you provided didn’t take that into account. That’s all.
Please nothing.
But keep in mind it all starts..
with the D-line. They got manhandled today by a scrub squad
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TO: "Coach said he would address that."
DL
OK, take that point, but it’s a different one.
Globally, the Bengals beat a rookie last week and lost to a back-up today. No glory in either result, and now tougher games have to follow.
really? the Browns O-Line is a ‘scrub squad’?
Last year, the browns O-Line was 15th in Pass protection, and that was with one of the worst starting right sides (RG/RT) including arguably the worst RT in the league last year. Lat year, the browns were also in the top 14 in the league at power ranking (success of 3rd and short types of runs) and stuffed rank (the ability to push the pile and minimize negative yardage).
this year, the browns are 6th in pass protection, and 15th by football outsiders’ ranking in overall run blocking. The browns however are 12th this year in power rank and 6th in stuffed rank. I believe the ranking of 15th is actually low because this ranking is somewhat influenced by the RB. Before hillis, our main RB was harrison who has been statistically, been one of the worst RBs at running the ball this year (of RBs w/ at least 24 carries)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
no
the browns are scrubs. stop trolling
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TO: "Coach said he would address that."
Intelligent discourse is not trolling. saying inflammatory comments with no backing like “the browns are scrubs” actually is trolling. the hypocrisy is, I am the one being trolled by you.
These stats don’t lie. The browns have been one of the best teams in the league in short yardage running situations. the browns have been one of the best teams in the league at protecting the QB. I think that qualifies logically as a line that isn’t full of scrubs.
Our secondary has some scrubs in it and It wouldn’t be a stretch to call our QBs scrubs (or our WRs) but not our O-Line.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Ok bross, see you guys in the playoffs!
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
the whole ‘stopped hillis from a touchdown’ is highly misleading and IMO, irrelevant. Once hillis got that far to the point Crocker was tackling him, the game was over. I knew it on that run. There was a minute left and the browns were just able to take a knee. all he saved is the browns from piling on a meaningless TD.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’d also like to add that Palmer had a 121.4 passer rating.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Me?
Carson finally gets his groove back and TO has an amazing game and you guys would trade that for a win? After the FOURTH game of the season? Wow. You do know there are 12 more games right? This season can be salvaged if Carson keeps performing like he did today. And imagine if he isn’t sacked 3 times?
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats are shit
There was the same stuff last Monday about this and that.
OK, for people’s personal fantasy scores, the Bengals are rubbish, probably except Nugent.
There is only one stat that actually matters – and today it’s an L.
Move on.
I think you were reading first down wrong. the bengals had 6 more first downs by passing but both teams were even at 21.
Take away one terrible play by the CB that led to the TO TD (a veteran player should NOT trip and fall like that and let his guy score a TD), the amount of yardage is much more even.
I am not sure how great rivers was. tackles do not make a guy great, it is about where the tackles were made. I don’t know where all of them were made but I remember at least a couple that were a bit downfield after hillis already got 5-6 yards. I also saw a missed tackle on hillis by rivers and a play where hillis just ran over rivers.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You can't take it away.
As much as you want to, it’s there, you have to deal with it.
That’s how I feel about this game and the Patriots’ game.
not saying it should be taken away, just showing how outside of that one play, the offensive production by both teams was fairly even.
The browns gave up a bad play in the secondary. That is their M.O. against good teams it seems like.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think it sounds like you can’t move on from the loss.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
it sounds like you cant move back to your own blogs
we can handle a loss just fine but can you handle a win?
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
actually I can. Am I gloating?
the only reason I came here is b/c it was mentioned at our blog that the loss was being blamed wholly on the refs which I found a little ridiculous. I am not trolling, nor am I gloating.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
it wasn't the refs
it was our team. thanks for clearing that up. are you done yet or do you have yet another lengthy and completely useless post that you would like to submit so we can all ignore it
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TO: "Coach said he would address that."
its funny how much you troll when you are pissed off from a loss.
It wasn’t even the bengals per se. I think it was partially the browns that came out hungry for a win while the bengals didn’t seem to have as much of that hunger. You can argue that the refs played a factor in this game, but refereeing is almost never one sided and it wasn’t today. If I really wanted to, I could point to bad calls that went in the favor of the bengals, but arguing about calls is pointless.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
youre right. arguing period is pointless. the game is over
so lets just see how you guys do when you come to cincy. OH bring your stat sheet! :D
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did you not see the sack?
you didnt know where that one was made. let me inform you: a sack is when the defender brings down the QB behind the line of scrimmage. (psst.. thats a good stat to have)
any more words of wisdom, bud?
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no need to be condescending man.
I wasn’t talking about sacks. I was criticizing the use of tackle totals to prove that rivers had a good game. Don’t remember where the sack was made, but does one sack cancel out a missed tackle or two and getting run over by hillis?
If it was on 2nd and 3 and it goes to 3rd and 12, maybe. But if its a sack on 2nd and 3 and it goes to 3rd and 6 (and especially if the offense gets a first) then no. Not every sack is created equal, nor is every tackle. counting stats on D mean little out of context.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
A sack is a sack.
and a tackle is a tackle. not being condescending only slightly bitter but taking a dose of sarcasm to cope.
BUT for you to doubt Rivers performance just because you don’t consider a tackle a correct stat is simply stupid. In a game like today a tackle means everything. And yeah they don’t count missed tackles so just go ahead and keep a tally because they don’t mean squat.
nobody is saying that
tackles make a guy great!but not tackling causes us to lose to a bottom-feeder in our own division. quit trolling if youre just going to doubt every valid statement we make with nothing to contribute. yeah hillis played a great game, but keep that to the dawg pound we dont need it here thanks.
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In a game like today a tackle means everything. And yeah they don’t count missed tackles so just go ahead and keep a tally because they don’t mean squat.
100% UNTRUE.
A tackle after a RB has gained 6 yards is not the same as one after a RB has gained 2 yards. that is why the couple tackles I remember Rivers making 5-6 yards downfield in the grand scheme of things aren’t as valuable of a play as 2 of the 3 TFLs that the browns LB matt roth made.
A tackle’s value to a team is not about how many are made, but where they are made. Is Eric Wright’s tackle of Shipley at the 5 valuable? or would it be more valuable to have not let him catch it. Counting stats are okay in baseball, but the same theory does not work in football.
I never said rivers performance was bad. I just said from my observations, I have reason to believe its not great. Now, to truly analyze his performance, I would’ve have to Tivoed the game (a technology I don’t have) and see where all his tackles were made. All I am countering with is that a tackle in itself is somewhat meaningless when evaluating a players performance (E-Wright sucked today for the browns but got 6 tackles) until you look to see where it was made.
and yes, missed tackles do matter. They might not show up on the stat sheet, but they are a part of the players performance. It is ridiculous to say that because there is no stat for them, there is no value in it. Is there a stat to directly calculating making a good block or covering your man well in coverage? No, and this is why stats don’t often tell the whole story in football.
I am not trolling, because these comments are not meant to be inflammatory, but informative of the nature of tackles in the NFL. From this exchange, I am not sure if you truly understand the ‘value’ of a tackle.
A sack is a sack on paper, however every play is different when put into context.
Keith Rivers’ Sack is more valuable in context than Kenyon Coleman’s sack. However, Fujita’s sack and fumble force deep in Cincy territory has more value to the browns than Rivers’ did for the Bengals. Its less valuable than Roth’s 2 sacks (one forces Cincy to have a 2nd and 17 and score a TD and the other took them out of FG range).
And in the end, aren’t we trying to find the relative value of these players and not how many counting stats they can put up?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Wow nobody asked for your Football philosophy on correct statistics.
But you have YET to give a SINGLE Bengal player credit for ANY stat they put up!
On the T.O. score, did you give props? hell no!
You:
oh a veteran cb should never fall over wa wa wa
like wow, it just makes me sick that you want to come in here, criticize everything they did, and offer no facts just argue statistics aren’t accurate. well you know what? in this case, a win isn’t either. have a nice day im done talking to this overly excited yet completely disrespectful browns fan.
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actually I did offer facts.
just argue statistics aren’t accurate
actually, they are.
I am giving you the utmost respect and am being very respectful with the phrasing of my comments and the content. However, you have to take it personally and think that because I disagree, I am disrespectful,
TO made a great catch. However, he doesn’t get the TD on that play if Sheldon brown doesn’t trip over himself. You have to be blinded by fanhood or an idiot not to see that. That TD doesn’t happen if it wasn’t for Brown tripping.
I give Rivers credit for the sack and I even give him credit for getting a more valuable sack than one of the browns players. Leon Hall made some great plays too. Do I have to go out of my way to name bengals players that are irrelevant to the conversation just to make you happy?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
No you can disagree all you want
But I can also refute by saying your reasoning for such is foolish. However, for you to claim I am taking this personally because you stand by your opinion, is simply immature. Lol just because my team lost does make me any less reasonable. But it’s the way you’ve pressed that issue about me being upset simply because our team lost that has me hostile, something I’m sure you’ve gotten used to as an avid Browns fan.
And to keep posting even though there is no more evidence to support your case, and even less reason for any of us to read it, considering its mostly wordy, redundant analysis that we can hear from any sports news network… is a waste of your time. I’m sure you have another hobby, right? I’m just letting you know most of what you say has no substance. No facts. Just biased opinions.
All I was saying is that I disagree with how you can say Rivers didn’t do his job today just because you caught a few missed tackles on his part and happened not to record the game to do any other fact-checking before you decided to run your mouth about a team you seem to know very little about. That’s it. Just saying I saw quite a few plays where he worked his ass off. Hardly a spectatular performance at the end of the day, yes I can agree with that. But to just write it off as “oh well i mean somebody had to get the tackle” is a little disrespectful. Yeah he made a few that weren’t necessarily game-changing, but still give the dude credit. That’s all I was trying to say.
Thanks for the compliment though!
But geez you guys must’ve been hungry you’ve been waiting to unleash this blog-a-thon. now the question is: Are YOU happy? :D
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I didn’t resort to saying its because of a loss until WAY after you were hostile. you were hostile starting with some of your first comments with me.
Even though the browns haven’t been good, I am not used to getting hostile with opposing fans because…well, I just don’t get hostile. I accept defeat and move on because getting hostile has gotten me nowhere.
Ha. you say I don’t bring substance or facts just biased opinions? I took advanced stats from football outsiders, one of the leaders in advanced football statistics. I couldn’t care less that the team I am talking about is the bengals, that wouldn’t change my opinion. I am actually using hard facts and an objective stance.
All I was saying is that I disagree with how you can say Rivers didn’t do his job today
I NEVER said that. I started this because someone pointed to his tackle total and said he was ‘great’. All I countered with was that that alone doesn’t mean he had a great game, it depends on the situation of the tackles. Never have I argued that he would be bad. It would be stupid for me to do that because I do not have enough evidence to do so.
Obviously guys should deserve SOME credit for tackles made. However, I have seen games where guys in cleveland get 9-10 tackles but never really make a significant impact on the D and just come up with mop up plays.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Still not happy... sigh.
I took advanced stats from football outsiders, one of the leaders in advanced football statistics.
Lol! nerd alert. did they pay you to give that shoutout or are you just a tool by nature?
Even though the browns haven’t been good, I am not used to getting hostile with opposing fans because…well, I just don’t get hostile. I accept defeat and move on because getting hostile has gotten me nowhere.
heh, right what’s the point? in the end… you’re still a browns fan.
I NEVER said that. I started this because someone pointed to his tackle total and said he was ‘great’.
Look what was REALLY said mr. fact-checker:
And Keith Rivers was far and away the best player on defense today.
Great? no. He was far and away the BEST player on our D today, which isn’t saying much since our D played like crap. See? We were simply trying to find a few pluses to detract from all the negatives… at least until you came in with your “advanced football stats” to rain on our parade.
Obviously guys should deserve SOME credit for tackles made.
Hah. then give the guy credit and stop running your mouth! And I can’t say whose making 9-10 tackles on cleveland’s D (probably DBs) but this isn’t cleveland this is cincy and we take pride in the effort our LBs give us and try not to judge them by all the missed tackles (so what you saw two? thats advanced stats?? lol) and then overlook the positive stats simply because they didn’t directly affect the score or outcome of the game.
Look, I realize you initially came here to argue with bitter Bengal fans and try to say that the Refs didn’t decide the game. I’m not arguing against that. I agree that, for the most part, they let the players play, and the major mistakes that cost us the most were our own fault. We lost to a good team that was well-coached and starving hungry for a win.
BUT as we pick the pieces back up and try to re-group from a tough loss by pointing out a silver lining, there’s no need for a Browns fan to come in and judge our players performances on the plays he didn’t do so well. THAT’s what makes me hostile. (well, that and hearing TJ Ward claim his UR call was ‘unfair’) Hell, even a STEELERS fan left a comment complimenting a few of our players on the effort. Bottom line is that nobody needs your opinion anymore since it more so seems like you’re kicking us while we’re down. And the Browns won, deservedly so. No scapegoats, no excuses, we lost. That’s what you wanted to hear right??
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who are you, colin cowherd in disguise? he also thinks that people who try to use statistics are nerds, but he is an idiotic blowhard…oh wait…
and its not clear if he was the best player on the D today. I would have to go back on game tape and check, but its possible that he is. Its just stupid to use his tackles to say he is far and away the best player on the D. I am fine with finding positives, but the guy was using a totally incorrect methodology for getting them (was that sentence too nerdy for you?)
and try not to judge them by all the missed tackles
then you are not judging guys effectively and accurately. Missed tackles are still plays for them. instead of plays made, they are plays not made. If a guy misses a tackle behind the LOS and then the back goes for 25 yards, that guy should be held responsible.
You know what, you seem intent on me wanting to give compliments to the bengals. I was just trying to be realistic and point out flaws in logic, but fine. Here are some of the positives I saw:
-the O-Line opened up some good holes in the run game
-Carson Palmer had a great game
-TO looked excellent
-Leon Hall and Johnathan Joseph looked very good
-The safeties were good in Run support
-The defensive gameplanning was effective
-The Linebackers were able to clog up the lanes several times
-The O-Line showed some promise in pass blocking.
The browns won a hard fought game. The browns just squeaked out a win against a good team. that is what I feel. The browns did get a little lucky, but they did play well.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You are so wrong on so many levels.
But I won’t crush your ego because you seem very content with how you perceive your intelligence. LOL but doubting another’s wisdom (over the internet nonetheless)because you’re trying to somehow boost your own is pretty immature so although you may be articulate when you write, you are immature and still very uninformed.
its not clear if he was the best player on the D today.. I would have to go back on game tape and check, but its possible that he is.]
Hhahaha and its just so easy to argue with you because you can’t even take a stance on anything you flip like a pancake! Please. Keep going. I LOVE the insults. They really help your case troll :D
-The O-Line showed some promise in pass blocking.
Oh boy, I guess ship wasn’t the only one who got brain damage yesterday.
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and did i ever say a missed tackle has no value???
or are you just typing out these novels to amuse yourself. i said missed tackles in a game like today MEAN EVERYTHING. get it? as in so valuable they are practically invaluable. but do they get counted? no. so how can you argue that keith rivers did not play well when from his stat line (at least what they DO count) is pretty solid considering how awful the rest of the D played. seriously dude youre a downer. im done with you
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actually, you did say missed tackles had no value
And yeah they don’t count missed tackles so just go ahead and keep a tally because they don’t mean squat.
you said missed tackles don’t mean squat.
I have not argued at all here that rivers played badly. I have just said that tackles themselves to not tell the whole story. I know from experience because we have had a lot of guys in cleveland who racked up tackles but weren’t truly making plays. I can’t say whether or not he had a good game until I see all his plays on tape.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
hah
you’re arguing over nothing on here. just trying to instill upon us some sort of enlightened view of how you track a players performance.
So let me get this straight, the guy gets the most tackles on our team, records a sack, and you are somehow opposed to giving him credit on a positive performance because of technicalities??
A sack is a sack on paper, however every play is different when put into context.
Well no shit but you are in no way validating that his sack has any less importance than any by the Clowns. You’re quick to compare the two, but somehow you want to say because of WHEN Kenyon Coleman got the sack, at such a critical time, it was more evidence to what a great game he had and somehow that took away from Rivers statline? Explain how that makes any sense. Explain to me how just because the rest of the D, NOT Rivers missing a tackle, allowed a first down after the sack, it somehow lowers the value of that play.
Look, I don’t know what you guys troll about over at the Dawgs forum, but we tend to shy away from pure negativity. If you’re not going to give anyone credit for doing their job, then there’s no need for you here. You’re not giving facts, you’re just belittling any pluses we try to take away from the game, and that’s immature and unnecessary. Grow up man
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actually, I said kenyon coleman’s sack didn’t come at that key of a time. Rivers’ sack was a good sack and was an effective sack. However, i was just pointing out the browns came up with key sacks in key situations.
rivers’ sack was still a good play. I never said it wasn’t.
I give him credit. I give him credit for the sack and a play or two I thought he played well in.
I actually am giving facts, but whatever. I have not been belittling any pluses. In fact, when I try to point out a positive you go off an say ‘well we sucked there and you are retarded’ (paraphrasing here).
I just can’t win with an immature troll like you. I am immature, trolling, and unnecessary when I point out reality that isn’t sky high. When I actually try to give a positive I am retarded. do you see your terrible logic?
You don’t want praise, you just want to criticize and attack me because I am a browns fan and the browns won and it is your way of venting. THAT is why I can’t win with you.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Come on man you can stop any day now..
lol youre on the bengals blogs do you expect me to roll over that easily and let you state your opinions without opposition?? Face it, you have yours, and i have mine. Don’t try to put words in my mouth though.
In fact, when I try to point out a positive you go off an say ‘well we sucked there and you are retarded’ (paraphrasing here).
No, I simply disagreed with anything positive you say about our Oline because IN MY OPINION, they could’ve done a lot better.
I just can’t win with an immature troll like you.
aw using my argument against me! lol mmm thats fresh. how am i immature when you just claimed you’re trying to “WIN” an argument over the internet. lol will you lose your web-utation if you stop posting?? oh no your e-posse will not think you are as intelligent are you love to claim you are!
haha seriously man youre just feeding me more.. you want me to stop? how about lead by example dummy. Do you see your terrible logic? You want to keep posting your comebacks to somehow save face, and it’s doing nothing for you.
I’m not on your blogs trying to claim I know anything about your team, so don’t tell me why I am reacting this way. Plus, you won the game, that’s not enough? you have to win the war of words too? LOL grow up man seriously it’s old. show some restraint if you really want to be the mature one.
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Correct on the overall first down bit. As far as that trip, that’s football. Big plays are made because of unexpected mistakes all the time. Carson also got a lot of his numbers from abusing a rookie, that’s football.
And again, you can’t expect the linebackers to be the entire defense. If Hillis is into the second level with a head of steam not many linebackers are going to make the quick stop every time. The guy straight ran over Roy Williams, and no one can question Roy’s aggression.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
are you talking about Eric Wright? he is not a rookie, though he did get abused. Wright getting abused was how the browns lost last week.
I am not saying LBs have to be the entire D. LBs job is to make the plays near the LOS and then the safeties are the backup at the 2nd level. that is the general responsibilities for the position. If rivers makes tackles on hillis from behind after he has already gained 5-6 yards, they do not mean as much as a tackle near the LOS (so they logically shouldn’t get the same weight. that is why football outsiders calculates the average yards per tackle made by LBs.
No one is questioning rivers’ aggression or Williams’ aggression. Roy Williams is hard to run over for a safety and is big for his position. However, hillis is good at running over people. he SHOULD be less able to run over a good tackling LB who has 20 pounds on Williams, but it looked just as easy.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah I am talking about Wright.. I don’t know why I thought it was Haden. And I agree that not all tackles are created equal but I do think that Rivers did a very good job today.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t say for certain whether he did a good job or not. I do not remember any of his good plays, then again I only remember a few games he was involved in. I can’t say accurately that he is great or bad without looking at the tape.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
so you have no information. and no credentials
are you done?
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I actually brought information to the table, you brought insults.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
what insults?
i brought as many insults as you brought info: none. all you did was make biased statements trying to downplay our player’s efforts.
So what if Sheldon fell over?? Is it completely impossible for a veteran WR to put a move on Sheldon to make him fall over? That’s T.O.‘s longest TD reception in his career, and you’re trying to put it “in perspective”. Psh, maybe YOUR perspective.
I can’t say for certain… I do not remember… then again I only remember a few games… I can’t say accurately…
Come on man. You’re going to play dumb whenever someone disagrees with you? I found that quite immature and annoying so I said “so you have no information.. are you done?” and thats an insult??
You have to be blinded by fanhood or an idiot not to see that (Owens only got the TD because Sheldon fell over AND NO OTHER REASON)
So that’s not an insult? Claiming all of us have to be “blinded by fanhood” or “idiots” to not agree with you? Oh yeah, that’s reasonable and factual. /sarcasm
You can’t point out what you saw and claim it as factual. See it from another perspective and then decide who really did their job out there. Don’t claim that TD pass should’ve been negated or somehow downplay its value. That’s as bad as us blaming the refs for the loss! Think before you blast man, and quit being an advocate of placing blame elsewhere when that’s all you’ve brought to the table!
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I have never had a horse in this race. I respect the bengals so I have no subjective slant of judging them. Honestly, until you started this debacle of commenting, I liked bengals fans the most out of the AFC North (probably still do but its getting closer).
Is it completely impossible for a veteran WR to put a move on Sheldon to make him fall over? That’s T.O.‘s longest TD reception in his career, and you’re trying to put it "in perspective
actually. I looked at the tape. No move was made. Sheldon Brown was watching the ball, and just tripped. TO didn’t make a move and there is no other logical explanation other than he tripped. It is puzzling why an 8 year vet who is a very solid corner trips on a play like that honestly. Isn’t it also telling that T.O. supposedly gets the longest TD of his career at 36?
And it isn’t the longest of his career. He had a 98 yarder last year and a 91 yarder with the eagles. And most TDs that are over 60-70 yards are more of a breakdown in coverage than a great play by the QB. I have watched several and for pass to be that big, it is generally a breakdown in coverage, but Palmer and TO were good enough to be there to exploit it.
I could play smart when someone disagrees with me, but I would rather play honest. If I can’t say for certain, I can’t say for certain. It would be dishonest of me to say for certain anything.
yeah, that is an insult and that was not necessary. At that point I was frustrated at being called a troll multiple times by you, the brown being scrubs (when all evidence pointed to the contrary), being addressed in a highly snarky and condescending way, and being called retarded.
Saying blinded by fanhood was out of line and I apologize for that.
Actually, go to the nfl.com page and watch the play. they even ZOOM IN. It is clear TO doesn’t put any moves on brown and brown just falls.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
sigh...
Well, I’m glad towards the end there you finally realized I’m not the only one being bitter and immature… BUT just for good measure, I’d like to respond.
I liked bengals fans the most out of the AFC North (probably still do but its getting closer).
awww :‘’m still invited to thanksgiving!
No move was made. Sheldon Brown was watching the ball, and just tripped.
but he did catch the ball didn’t he? come on this is the bengals and that’s t.o. not everything is guaranteed. The fact the pass was on target and he caught it is reason enough to give them credit. i’m not saying t.o. did anything spectacular to shed coverage, but his speed helped. no reason to say that the play wouldn’t have happened without brown falling. thats hypothetical and completely useless to argue, can you agree with that??
Isn’t it also telling that T.O. supposedly gets the longest TD of his career at 36?
lol don’t say that if you’re going to prove me wrong in the next sentence! it kinda takes the sting out of the would-be diss. my bad though i mis-read where i saw that. what it really said was:
One of Palmer’s TDs was a career-best 78-yarder to Owens..where they were referring to Palmer and not T.O. that was my bad.
Terrell Owens – Oldest player to have a TD reception of 98+ yards (35 years, 350 days); (also oldest to have a TD reception of 76 yards or more)
How’s that for a telling stat?
And I apologize for calling you retarded, a troll, and the Browns as scrubs, I have a few Browns fans as friends and I guess they are just more used to these terms as they use them to refer to the team themselves even!
It would be dishonest of me to say for certain anything.
lol and this is the internet. not a courtroom. nothing you say will be kept on record and your reputation will not suffer. But we all have our opinions, and it’s my opinion to say if you don’t have facts to back it up, then mine are just as valid as yours. No need to get upset or defensive. Nobody knows you here, so you can play however you want just expect what you say to be analyzed any way possible. I’m no longer as upset as I was yesterday anyway, so I really don’t see a need to argue my point. So, if it will please the court, you win. :D
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I hate listening to Palmer haters complaining how bad of a QB he is.
But I’ll take it if it means a win.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brat haters comlaining as well.
Bengals are 2nd in the division in points scored.
Bengals are dead last in the division in points allowed.
Yet Brats a bum and Zimmer’s a minor-god.
by IllinoisBengal on Oct 3, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly.
The Patriots game is the only reason why the Bengals are last in points allowed. I won’t make excuses, bad situations, but eh.
I don’t care for stats though. Only one that matters is the W/L record.
no excuses
if you want to win, you have to beat the other team. can’t sit back and hope to get by.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
You aren't going to win many games
when you turn the ball over 3 times, which the Bengals did today (2 fumbles & a blocked kick). Those all led to Cleveland FGs.
I guess we'll have to settle for 14-2 this year.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Dood, that glass has to be all the way full if he's thinking like that.
But I’ll have what he’s having and buy a round for everyone else too.
by Doc Scratch on Oct 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ill take it!
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Here's something I want to add
Good teams don’t take all three 1st half timeouts into the locker room
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The coaching is the real root to the problem. They just are not a sound team in any of the 3 phases at this point. You cannot continue to pile on the penalties week after week and win. Turnovers, again, will not win you many games when you continue to have them. If Marvin cannot reach the playoffs with this team he should be let go. Although I do like Marvin, I’m just not sure he can take them to the next level.
by Bdub14 on Oct 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Marvin is soft, IMHO
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. 2010 Reds...the biggest surprise of the year. I've turned the corner on you, Dusty. Thanks for bringing out the best in my Redlegs.
2. Cavaliers Championship...never mind...Let's go with OSU wining the Big Ten.
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeesh.
Considering Haynesworth’s issues with Shanahan already, the thought of Shanahan and Andre are making me cringe.
Though maybe our OLine would actually be decent. Who knows.
If either of those two, or Cowher, is coaching this team they would hav a real shot at winning the Super Bowl.
by Bdub14 on Oct 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Neither Lewis or Cowher have a contract for 2011....
….time to call Marvin’s bluff, or do the Bengals end up with Lewis as GM, Zimmer as HC and Brat as OC…I reckon the latter is more likely. It would be nice to give Zampese or even Hue Jackson a shot.
Whatever moves they make, they are going to be the wrong moves. The Bengals could have brought in Charlie Weis. Now he’s helping the Chiefs to a 3-0 start while Brat is.. well.. being Brat.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What they need is to find their identity. And I think they are close to doing it. Did you see the Saints play worse against the Panthers than we did? Did you see the Colts knotted up at 14/14 with the JAGS? If they can go strong into the second half of the schedule there is NO reason the Bengals can’t make the playoffs.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
my god he's right!
someone make this guy stop..
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
Cowher wants the Giants job
He’d never want to coach for an owner like Mike Brown
hey bengalinflorida
stop posting. please :D
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
aw
no chili for you!
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
+goldstarchili
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
Agree with you here. He has his agent whine and moan for him because he gets no snaps and then he plays like total garbage.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
I still think Andre can be a great player in this league….Simpson was a total stretch and it has basically been proven to be the case
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
its sad when dexter jackson was still on the board when we drafted simpson
by bengalinflorida on Oct 3, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
David Jones is making some plays for JAX
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
as would I
but I’ve been impressed so far
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
he looked like a fool last week
must have lit a fire under his ass
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Beating a dead horse on the o-line
The o-line sucks! You can say whatever about Palmer, but the only thing the o-line does well is run block. Don’t tell me they don’t run block well; the Bengals don’t have a FB. That was an awful hit on Shipley. Carson did his job today; unfortunately, the o-line forgot they got paid to pass block.
The time of possession killed the Z-fense early on.
agreed.
I was referring to his performance on the day. I would be talking about good things if they won today. Such a disappointment
I had a feeling the Browns will beat the Bengels probably becuase they wanted
the win more then the Bengels. the Running back Peyton Hillis got to be the real deal if he ran 100 yards on my team The Ravens and your team The Bengels
he does have a good point. this was a browns team that lose 3 close games in a row and was very hungry for a win. this was a bengals team that came off 2 straight weeks of consecutively beating a division rival and then dominating the panthers.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
hardly dominated carolina
dude you dont know anything about this team.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
I think you are seriously just trolling my comments for lols from your fellow people here.
I watched most of that game. While the offense wasn’t that good, the defense was truly dominant. Carolina couldn’t retain posession or hold onto the ball. They were terrible on 3rd downs and the bengals also kept forcing fumbles. That game was won by dominant D.
It was a game of posession and field position and Cincy won both battles, so yes I call them dominating because carolina only had one drive with multiple first downs before the 4th quarter, when cincy could just play prevent D.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
for the lolz..
for the record, im not “trolling” your comments.
your comments just stand out to me because nobody has disagreed with you because you try to sound justified when really you just seem to be talking out of your ass. this is not for the lolz. although your comments bring me plenty!
this was a bengals team that came off 2 straight weeks of consecutively beating a division rival and then dominating the panthers.
quick! spot the error!
LOL for someone who “watches most of our games”, you sure seem to get your facts messed up often. so let me fill you in: we LOST to the pats in week 1, and they AREN’T in our division. Did you think this was our first loss? Is that why you’re trying to rub this in?
That game was won by dominant D.
Yeah, no shit but so was the baltimore game. We made Flacco look like Clausen. Would you call that “dominating” the ravens? Hell no. In both games our offense did terrible, and we only stayed alive by oppurtunistic penalties and turnovers. We didn’t suffer some sort of ‘hangover’ after that game. It wasn’t a well-deserved win. Fact is, we’ve played sloppy each game on one side of the ball. There has yet to be a game where we can say we have dominated. Both teams wanted the win equally, and it could’ve gone either way. So do you see now why i found lolz in seeing that after you have so much to say about this team?
All I’m trying to do is save you from more embarrassment man because you’re really in over your head. So quit crying about me trolling just because I call you out on your nonsense.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
we LOST to the pats in week 1, and they AREN’T in our division. Did you think this was our first loss? Is that why you’re trying to rub this in?
wow…really? you played the pats in week 1 and the panthers in week 3…week 2 is missing…
‘2 straight weeks of consecutively beating a division rival and then dominating the panthers’. In case you didn’t understand this, I am saying that you beat a division rival and then dominated the panthers. I didn’t say anything about the Pats game because that was irrelevant to what I was talking about.
I still say that the panthers was a ‘dominant’ game. Just because you don’t dominate on D doesn’t make it a game where the team isn’t dominant. the Panthers couldn’t move the ball at all against the D (until the bengals were up 20-7 late in the 4th, but by then it didn’t matter as much).
the bengals only allowed 2 first downs on D. Last night for example, the Giants D was called dominant and only held the bears offense to one first down in the first half. Through 3 quarters, the panthers only had 6 first downs. In my book, that is dominance. Holding Stewart and Deangelo williams to 3.6 ypc and only one big run is dominant in my book.
You don’t have to dominate on offense to dominate a game. The Ravens when they won the SB dominated teams on D even though they didn’t dominate on offense. they were opportunistic on offense. Dominance doesn’t have to come from both sides of the ball.
Why do you have to prove me wrong for the sake of proving me wrong even when I give the bengals praise?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
2 straight weeks of consecutively beating a division rival"... "then dominating the panthers
I’m sorry I misread that. It could’ve been taken either way. Because you chose to mention the first 3 Browns games.. and then used the above statement.
LOL and you can say until your face is blue that we dominated Carolina, but I’ll respectfully disagree.
p.s. yeah i watched the giants game and the ravens superbowl, and their D WAS dominant. but thats not what you said initially. you said WE dominated. I was just clarifying it wasn’t the domination we were expecting.. See Postgame Thread Cincinnati Bengals @ Carolina Panthers
Ah, and come on, if we can’t prove you wrong what’s the point? I simply disagreed with you saying the Browns had more to prove when the Bengals played especially sloppy the week before on a game where the whole NFL community expected us to “dominate”. Who needed the win more? That can’t really be determined at this point of the season. but Who wanted to win more? I mean you can say the Browns did, because that’s how the game ended, but you have to agree with me when I say it’s a matter of opinion.
OH Yeah! Duffman's pelvis is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
TO: "Coach said he would address that."
Same old Bengals
Always underachieving. Why does Marvin get a pass every year?
the man won Coach of the Year last year
give me a break. It is not easy working under tight wad Mikey Boy
I really can't ever give the game ball to the Refs.
The offense moved pretty good today, meaning the passing game of course.
Penalties continue to kill us, nothing new there.
Our running game never really got on track.
Our offensive line needs….work.
The browns offensive linemen were really, really, really good.
Nobody wanted to tackle P Hillis once he got up to speed. And I don’t blame them.
Special teams really didn’t perform well, which is a first for us this year..
TO was worth every penny.
And last but not least, the Ravens beat the Steelies…..
We are fine.
Congrats to the Browns. Now help us out and beat Pitt or Balt. Please.
As a matter of fact...no.
We can’t beat the europeans on their homeland anymore.
And their weather sucks…lol.
Don't get me wrong...
I believe with the fall of Tiger especially, the Europeans are becoming the leading golfers in the world. Westwood is coming into his own and will probably be the number 1 golfer in the world. We know Phil can’t do it.
Our only hope is Dustin Johnson and Bubba Watson…..scary huh?
I was saying earlier that the bengals were playing as bad as the usa did
by bengalinflorida on Oct 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez....good call.
But at least they did have the lead after the first day….
yes they did
tiger should be embarressed losing 6 and 5 or something like that
by bengalinflorida on Oct 3, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Tiger will probably never be back on top.
Not just his personal problems, his injuries, and firing every swing coach he can find, are just dooming his game.
But personally, I think he was still one of the best golfers to ever play the game.
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+1
But I also think Marvin and Palmer deserve some of the blame.
Palmer should not get sacked by Roth at the end.
by sgiridharan1982 on Oct 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He definitely held onto the ball way too long there. Then again, that was one of the few times he got significant time to throw. and I think it was on that play that the blocker picked up the CB instead of Roth which is a big mistake.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I agree
holding out hope will just keep killing my heart. If it aint the Bengals, it’s the Bearcats, if it aint them its the Reds, which one will kill me first?
In Zim We Trust......Collaros for Heisman...An Avid Reader of Cincyjungle.com
by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I get tired of sitting here and
trying to figure out WTF went wrong. I actually will say what IS wrong though. (In my eyes)
I see Carson scared of being hit. I see Carson that can be a great QB. I see this team succeeding or excelling. If only the coaches can be able to us what the teams strengths are. If we all can see this then why can’t the coaches? I mean, the No Huddle IS the answer. We obviously can move the ball at will in the No Huddle. Every time we did, Cleveland was lost. Then we went back to huddling again, to no prevail. Carson seems more comfortable with the Oline in the No huddle but they don’t use it until desperate times. (such as being behind late in the game) I am soooo tired of seeing incompetence, it’s not funny anymore. Why do I keep pulling for a team that can’t figure out what their made of or pretending that they are something their not. They are obviously a High tempo team in the No Huddle but we the fans are the only one that knows this.. Bullshit!
What about penalties?
Way too many. Every game.
There are less penalties in the No Huddle too.
Check it out for yourself.. It’s true, we haven’t really used the No Huddle at all this year and when we did, the penalties seemed scarce. Today’s game for instance..
I think there is a sense of
urgency in the Oline and that makes them commit penalties. If we use the No Huddle and score a lot of points in the beginning of the game, then they can relax a little with little pressure, hence less penalties when not using the No Huddle.
+1
If they don’t start using the No Huddle in the first quarter I’m going to just stop watching the games. You have an offense that can throw any defense in the NFL for a loop when you’re running the No-Huddle and you only use it in come from behind situations.
Now we have injuries to JJo, Williams, and Shipley and we didn’t even get a win for it.
by Cry on Oct 3, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel the same way.
This is total bullshit. Why can’t the coaches see that the only way to achieve a win in a easy/feasible fashion is by using what the team is best at and stop forcing them to try and be something their not. It’s been over a year now and it’s the same results. Few wins and nothing to show for it. I will say it again, This team is at it’s best when they are running the No Huddle and in the lead. They need to do something b/c winning doesn’t cure everthing unless you win the SB and we are far from that.
mental mistakes , points left on the field, game after game
bad coaching. marvin is frustrating. he is an almost but not quite coach. the mental mistakes and squandered points are his achilles heal
by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 3, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
ok, Im going to be optimistic in my last post
We are only one game out, if Pitt and Ravens lose next week (and we win) we could be in a 3 way tie. Offense showed us that they can score, and T.O, is a freaking monster. The Bengals also play at home vs another weak team next week, im hoping we can step it up. Hope all goes well, I just know it will be a long, long, long, very long week waiting for next Sunday. Good Day my friends and Who Dey.
In Zim We Trust......Collaros for Heisman...An Avid Reader of Cincyjungle.com
More optimism
Colts 2-2
Titans 2-2
Broncos 2-2
Chargers 2-2
In Zim We Trust......Collaros for Heisman...An Avid Reader of Cincyjungle.com
by TennBengalfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't count on any losses
Pittsburgh gets stronger when Ben gets back. The Ravens get even stronger when they get Reed back along with Cody. Their offensive line handled the Steelers pretty well, but if they ever get Gaither back they are even better. Their passing attack gets better when Stallworth gets back to stretch the field, which opens up the running game. Our defensive backs are still getting in sinc and are rated #1. The only game the Ravens or Steelers should lose is when they meet each other again. In a couple more weeks Flacco should be in sinc with his receivers just like Manning is with his.
The offense will now get their pass for a week.
Despite the fact that for all the 200 receiving yards TO put up and the improved play of Carson, they still only managed to get in the endzone twice and crapped out on several drives that should have put this game well in hand. Bratkowski is an absolute cancer on this team. And even though Carson’s arm seemed fine today, his decision making was still suspect – throwing short on 3rd downs, making bad checks. That’s also on Bratkowski – he’s the one whose gameplan Carson is following.
Same old same old
It’s hard for me to get super-upset about this loss.
These are the same issues we’ve been dealing with for years…an o-line that’s been falling apart since ‘06, massive lapses in discipline and focus, horrible offensive playcalling, the usage of one RB we’ll run into the ground (instead of spreading it around), and being content with starters that don’t deserve to be starters. It’s not all that surprising, especially with Marvin’s conservative offensive philosophy. If your team is built to squeak out ugly games, the smallest mistakes (whether it’s your own fault or stupid officiating) will be enough to derail you. Mind you, we abandon our identity and start desperately throwing it as soon as things go wrong.
When we face teams we should beat, we’ll continue to either lose (out-coached) or win (Zimmer and our talent will overcome). When we face teams that should beat us, we’ll lose (obvious) or win (our talent is underrated).
I’m not giving up on the season, by any means. We’re still technically in the mix. But whether we win or lose, Mike Brown will still own the team, and just as Al Davis loves drafting speed, we’ll draft physical freaks (the giant Andre Smith, giant-handed Jerome Simpson, physically-perfect MLBs who struggle with the mental aspect of the game), and it’ll be a bandage over a gunshot wound.
I have no ill will against MB as a human being
In my ideal world, MB would realize that his approach isn’t working, and hire a competent GM, who in turn would improve scouting, conditioning, etc. I hope he can turn this around while he’s still alive, simply because I feel kind of vulture-ish when I think about the alternative.
by Big Sky Bengal on Oct 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Division loss hard to get over tonight
This is what stings today, and stings bad! When it comes down to the end of the season and they need a tiebreaker within the division., this loss will bite them on the ass… I knew it would be a close game and it was… but frustrating because of the tough schedule coming up… they will have to make up this game later on with a win in Pitt or Baltimore…. if Pitt and Baltimore both sweep Cleveland, then this loss could really haunt us down the line…. DAMN!!!!
Division loss hard to get over tonight
Since Pitt will beat you twice and Baltimore will beat you all this loss does is get you a better draft pick next year.
Needs...
1. Big, young, fast safety
2. Big, young, fast interior linebacker
3. Big, young, talented offensive tackle
4. Big, young, talented offensive guard
5, Big, young, talented offensive center
6. Young talent at outside reciever
At 2-2 with 12 games to go in the regular season
are we talking about next year’s draft already? Or is it a tad too early?
no don't mean to do that
I don’t mean it that way…. just a frustrating loss, i still have plenty of hope… i just know at the end of the year it always comes down to one game, and i get a bad feeling that game was today
Blame it on the refs bunghole fans! Stay classy cincy! Stay classy
by Let's be Realistic here! on Oct 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you for the polite praise!
I’m so glad that you think we’re quite classy and cultured. May I suggest to you a few eye doctors in town that I know of? Maybe a couple of glasses shops? Cincinnati has an exquisite reading comprehension program too. Might I recommend you for that?
Dogpounded
Ok, who didn’t see this coming 7 days ago? Or at least think we had a very good chance of losing this one?
It seemed that we had already beaten ourselves in this game before the Panther’s game was over last weekend. All the Carson talk,
all the talk about “Batman and Robin” not producing. Did anyone see Carson’s press conference last week? He looked like at any second he would burst into tears.
The defense did not step up today like we had hoped. But what about Carson finally connecting with T.O. We’ve been waiting for this to happen since the first preseason game. Who didn’t jump out of their seat for the 78 yd TD?!
Of course it’s tough to have a division loss this early in the season, but would you rather lose to the Steeler’s or the Ravens? For the first time this season I felt like Palmer had a pulse, and T.O. was doing what T.O. is here to do. I felt like I was watching a football game instead of a Canadian curling competition, with Ced inching us down the field, and Nuge coming through in the end. Maybe last weeks formula would have worked better against Browns today and Tampa next week, but that formula not going to get us anywhere in the post season, or even in December when Ced is all used up.
I feel like Palmer has some confidence back, T.O. is finally here, and now all the elements just have to come together at the same time. Remember the Chicago game last season?
And yeah, no huddle works/ Bratkowski sucks. I’m hoping this is the media’s theme for this week instead of talking about the defense’s minor shortcomings or how Chad costed us the possible 4th down field goal.
by Tim Krumrie's broken leg on Oct 4, 2010 3:08 AM EDT reply actions
While the Bengals didn't play their best
especially the defense… this was one of the WORST called games I have ever seen.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Oct 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
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