Anyone else notice there's no talent at safety?
Mike Zimmer is great at getting the best out of his players, but I think it's become evident that the best these safeties have to offer simply isn't good enough. We've seen the bizarre effects of having this middling secondary - excellent corners, bad safeties. We conspicuously didn't grab one in the draft, and then we picked up Gibril Wilson, who was unfortunately knocked out of the season with an injury. But was he really a difference maker?
This team is still pretty good, but it has plenty of issues. It lost a game to Cleveland for multiple reasons, including mediocre clutch play by Palmer, bland play calling, bad calls by the referees and pitiful pass protection. I think the biggest thing, though, was that the safeties got exposed on both the run and the pass.
Chris Crocker blew coverages up and down, especially early on. Roy Williams did that too, and he also missed tackles and bounced off Peyton Hillis on a pathetic shoulder tackle. He's supposed to sniff and snuff the run. He couldn't do that, so why is he still starting? Of course, he might be out next week, but I feel like Ndukwe is just as good.
Crocker and Williams play with intensity. I love that. But the poor awareness, plus the lack of coverage skills and the overpursuit on the run when they do know what's going on, are things that are showing up on game film. The Browns targeted those weaknesses.
This offseason is going to be really interesting for a lot of reasons. I hope that one of those reasons is a brand new talented safety, prefereably a free safety.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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It's no secret that safety is one of our few weakness on D
I felt last season that every safety we had was the same player. lol
We don’t seem to have a true FS, That coverage safety who is a ball hawk.
Maybe Reggie/Ndukwe can add something different this season..
It just seemed so glaring in Cleveland...
This HAS to get fixed.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Oct 3, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Losses always make things more apparent
If your team is winning you can sorta “shrug off” those bad things.
our safetys aren't cover guys
they are hitters and tacklers. this is nothing new. it was known before the season started we were going to be thin on coverage at safety. its the reason we made moves like signing Gibril Wilson and then trading for reggie nelson.
look for the bengals to address the cover safety issue in the next draft. the plan in 2010 was to utilize our depth at coverage in cb to make up for the weakness in secondary. and we’ll probably lose one of our better covers corners following this season.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
That's fine and dandy
if they actually stop the run and make tackles. They failed at this on Sunday. Remember Roy getting run over by Hillis? If that happens, and you can’t cover, then why are you on the field? Maybe these guys should blitz more. Zim?
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Oct 4, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness I will say this
Roy Williams is a lot smaller then Hillis.. That’s a hard tackle to make against a brute force back like Hillis is, and he’s most likely (if the browns don’t screw it up again) will be making a lot of other players bounce off as well.
Not an excuse but Hillis is like 6’2" 250
hillis has arrived
at 250 pounds, running the way he does, he wont last another 5-6 years in the nfl. however, hillis is going to pound the piss out defenses for a couple of years. he’s tough.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
New guys get a chance?
Anybody else think there’s a chance we’ll see some Reggie Nelson and Andre Smith soon?
Ndukwe is a big play either way
still have difficulty forgiving him for his shitastic performance against the Jets in the Wildcard,his atteempts at tackling Keller in that game were fucking awfull
Once Reggie Nelson learns the playbook, the kid is the ball hawking safety we are looking for! Plus he got experience playin a cover corner last year in Jacks! With J Jo, Hall, and Pacman playing at top level Nelson playing ball hawk on 3rd and longs will be more then effective! Slide Crocker to strong or let Ndukwe stay there and I promise the safety play will get better! Nelson is hot traded for, for a reason watch later in the season what he can do!

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