The Fundamental Things Apply: Turnovers Costing Bengals Wins
Quick quiz: what's this?
-2
+4
+2
-1*
Here's a hint:
L
W
W
L
Got it yet? That's the Cincinnati Bengals' turnover ratio in each of the first four games. I put an asterisk by the number from the Cleveland game last Sunday because I believe it ought to be -2 as they turned the ball over on downs on the blocked field goal. Here's how the turnovers translated on the scoreboard; the number after the slash is the final margin of victory or defeat.
(7) / 14
+6 / 5
+7 / 13
(6 or 9) / 3
In the Bengals' two victories, turnovers either provided the margin of victory or put them up by two scores. In their two defeats, the turnovers either provided the margin of defeat or put the Bengals down by two scores.
I'm sure I'll be dunned for stating the obvious, but I thought it needed saying, since most of the conversation around the Bengals this week seems to revolve around anything and everything else. The few mentions of turnovers as the leading factor in last week's loss I've seen have been lost in an avalanche of agendas. Everyone seems to have an axe to grind, and whether it's Sideshow Bob Bratkowski or the offensive line or Carson Palmer or Chad Ochocinco or Marvin Lewis or Mike Brown or who/whatever, they've been using last week's loss and the club's overall 2-2 start to make the case for their cause.
And far be it from me to criticize axe-grinding. By all means, carry on. I have a closet full of the things myself. But it is possible to over-think things, and the correlation between turnovers and wins/losses -- an old, proven and, as a result, largely unmentioned fact of the NFL -- is to me a perfect example of this. If the Cincinnati Bengals don't turn over the ball in week 1, they've at least got a shot to tie it late. If they don't turn the ball over two (or by my count, three) times last Sunday, they're almost certainly 3-1 right now. Even with everything else -- coaches, players, scheme, ownership, everything -- remaining the same.
If the Bengals plan on winning against Tampa this Sunday, what they need to do above all else is hold on to the ball. It's obvious, but the fundamentals usually are.
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We have to create more and give up less
Nice work Beer
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You know what?
This actually makes me more hopeful, since this is something that can be fixed. Not easily, but it can be fixed. Unlike bad players or stupid coaching, which we managed to get around when we owned the turnover ratio.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Oct 6, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dead-on.
We need our defense to go out and get turnovers (is there any way we win at Baltimore with 1 INT?). And certainly hitting defenders in the hand disrupts your offense, especially if they catch it but it’s got to scare the hell out of everyone, OC included.
Scott needs many, many more touches. Leonard needs to be in on every third and fourth down (including punts and FGs); I can’t think of an exception to this rule. in fact, I think I’d trust his will and determination to punch it in from the wildcat on 4th and 1. If Peko is playing fullback, then Leonard needs to be the tailback… that’s all I’m saying. Who do you trust on 3rd or 4th and short? Me too.
also.
Get dhani jones off the feld. He was badly exposed (again) by a mediocre TE. Guy can’t cover anything. Get Brandons Johnson more burn please…
by jbs62 on Oct 6, 2010 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Winslow is going to eat him up
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by TennBengalfan on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to call
He definitely seems to have lost a step, but he runs the defense on the field and is good at that. At some point the negatives will surpass the positives and someone else will have to step up (Rey).
Hey I posted a thing for us over on Bucs nation
check em out, they are actually not bad guys over there, unlike BTSC
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