The 2011 Draft Conundrum
by C Byers on Nov 13, 2010 5:35 PM EST
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PrintIt's no secret we're looking like a top 10 pick team. But if we were a top 10 who do we go after? It's a good chance we'll be bringing in a top name from college football and could strengthen us a lot in one of those areas.
An interesting situation went down in a mock draft I was in (we were picking 7th), by the time we picked Robert Quinn, A.J. Green, Jake Locker, Cam Newton, Da'quan Bowers even Mark Ingram we're all still available.
And I guess it beg's the question what is the most glaring need. You can get a top 2 DE, a top 2 QB, the Heisman winner(with a big upside at QB), the #1 WR or the #1 RB.
Who do you guys think in a top 10 situation the (Mike Browns) Bengals would target in a scenario like this?
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Everyone rec this so it makes the top of the recommended fanpost section and it can be our all-purpose draft thread.
It’s better than having 1,000 threads dedicated to just the draft.
Win a ring without the king! Cavs=2011 champs?
I want a DE, so Quinn.
That’s our most desperate need.
Win a ring without the king! Cavs=2011 champs?
I am a little hesitant about N.C. players right now...
I don’t know much about this kid, has he had any problems? Butch Davis has got a mess going on at N.C. right now. We don’t want to draft a guy that has tons of warning signs…
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
That depends.
Which do you value more: DE or WR?
And which do you think is easier to address in FA this offseason? We need a #1 receiver if Chad or T.O. goes (and possibly another if both do leave). Caldwell’s not a solution and if Jerome Simpson can’t beat him, he’s not one either. Shipley’s here to stay and I really wanna see what we can get out of him as the #2 receiver with Cosby manning the slot but the coaches apparently know better than I do and won’t try it even for a couple of downs.
But we obviously need some pressure and if it means cleaning house and bringing in a quality pass rusher in FA and drafting some kid to help with it, I’m for it. Hell, I think that’s more optimal, given that we’ve got a high pick, there will be talent that falls from the first and WR could possibly be one of them. Not many teams are going to be as receiver-needy as we are.
Seriously?
Why does anyone give a shit? They’ve got like one scout who isn’t a member of the Brown nepotism clan.
Whoever they pick they will suck. And if they don’t suck they will be Bengalized. Or maybe they’ll suck and be Bengalized.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Nov 14, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions
Agreed
I’d trade every pick for Mike Brown’s death…or maybe a GM. Either one. Even if it just means some other Brown will take over, it will allow a little bit of hope exist. Since 91 watching this team is like watching a puppy swim against a raging river, he might make a little progress, catch a break here or there, but he will never win.
by Alex Marshall on Nov 14, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
our only chance
is when MB kicks the bucket at Denny’s and the team is passed to Katy. The reason i say this is b/c Katy’s hubby is not of Brown Blood Lineage, and you know he had to marry that chipmunk for football, not looks and personality…SOOOO here’s to hoping he’s a die hard fan and can wrastle some control away from the Brown family to take this Team/City/Franchise to new heights….it’s our ONLY hope
What if...
we all pool our money together and have some mob guys whack him? Just joking… Well, maybe…
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
I voted for a DE. But that’s only if the question is what do we need more.
If the question is what will Mike Brown pick, the answer is Free Safety. Sure we need one of those too, but not that badly. Except in his mind that’s probably the one player we lack. ‘Cuz he’s a moron.
I wouldn't be against a FS if a top teir one was available
by smoormandiddy on Nov 14, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
without scouts
what conundrum? we’ll take someone that will under perform. regardless of pick round or draft position..
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
WWMBD
Cameron Newton w/o a Question.
-Bengals Like Auburn players ( Willie Anderson, Takeo Spikes, James Brooks*, Rudi Johnson, Kenny Irons, Pat Sims just naming a few **Pre-MB and Via trade)
-We need the Next QB.
-He likes 1 yr wonders in college. (Akili Smith)
-There’s some possibility he may have been paid(plus he bought a stolen laptop),
MB <3’s Scandal.
-There’s a chance he may be an NFL bust, MB likes to draft dangerously.
I’m just saying. Cam Newton seems like that guy we would draft.
Sports = Money.
I don't get why NFL teams look to draft the QBs who run more frequently than they pass.
Cool, it works in college, that’s great, doesn’t mean the guys are gonna make great pros. I like Cam Newton, but the only team with an offense geared to match his skillset is in Philly and they’re probably gonna resign Michael Vick.
I understand the argument of pro vs college
but like I said What Would Mike Brown Do
Sports = Money.
You know what,
I’m sitting here watching the 49ers game and Troy Smith is playing. He was considered a running QB with an arm, right. Well it’s showing that we need a mobile QB. He doesn’t necessarily run , but is mobile enough to get out of trouble. BTW, that SOB has a rocket for an arm and is accurate too. Just think, we could’ve had him this season. He looks very good playing.
the only team with an offense geared to match his skillset is in Philly and they’re probably gonna resign Michael Vick
If by that you mean an offensive line with the strength of aluminum foil and the best scrambling QB the game has ever seen, you’ve hit the nail on the head!
Ithaca has given you the beautiful journey.
Without her you would not have set out on the road.
Nothing more has she got to give you.
And if you find her threadbare, Ithaca has not deceived you.
Wise as you have become, with so much experience,
you must already have understood what Ithacas mean.
-cavafy
Yeh, pretty much.
Though it works for them, really, and it’s probably why Kolb can’t start for them until they get a more solid OLine. It’s an offense only Vick can make work because he has the mobility to avoid sacks.
by Doc Scratch on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
So,
What type of pick would it take to pry Kolb away from the Eagles? I’d hope a 5th or 4th, maybe a 3rd?
From that point, we have a QB to work with for the future, and can nap best player available for the rest of the draft.
I'm not 100% sure Kolb's the guy I want though.
I don’t exactly want to root for a player that reminds me of corn.
Kinda like my jokes, but y’know.
They wanted 2 firsts this past year
Of course that was when he was the franchise QB. I would say it’s less than a king’s randsom now, but certainly hasn’t gone to a 3rd. The market for a game ready NFL QB is out there. There are more teams desperate for a QB though, and I think he wants to start, not spend more time on the bench. Unless the team completely give up on Palmer and he gets the boot, I doubt it would happen with the Bengals.
Ithaca has given you the beautiful journey.
Without her you would not have set out on the road.
Nothing more has she got to give you.
And if you find her threadbare, Ithaca has not deceived you.
Wise as you have become, with so much experience,
you must already have understood what Ithacas mean.
-cavafy
Then maybe we should draft O-line
Don’t draft around other weaknesses. Draft over those weaknesses.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 17, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't it easier to replace 1 guy instead of 3 or 4?
Everyone is running the spread in college now, there are only a hand full of teams running a pro style offense. Lineman are not what they used to be. The days of a statue pocket passing quarterback are over. Palmer just stands there, he can’t move. As soon as someone hits him its over. Look around the NFL and tell me how many mobile quarterbacks there are opposed to immobile? I’m talking about being able to move in the pocket and avoid the rush, not necessarily run like Mike Vick and run for 50 yards a game. Palmer can’t break a tackle to save his life. If you notice last year he tucked it and ran at crucial times when no one was open and we won those tight games. He hasn’t done it once this year and look at our record. Palmer will only succeed with a line like he had in 05’. The worst thing that this team did was break up the line after he blew his knee out. I have said this over and over. Look at the facts, we haven’t built it back in 5 years what makes you think we can fix it in 1 year? Too many needs to fill for 1 guy who only has a few years left in the tank anyway. Don’t get me wrong, we definitely have to address the line, but the fact is Palmer is never going to get it done or he would have done it already. It is time to move on, he is average at best. Another Drew Bledsoe, too many things have to be perfectly in place for him to succeed.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
by D-Day77 on Nov 17, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree with this
Not that Carson is a bad QB, but to many pieces that the FO can’t put together for him to be great. If you put Brady or Manning ( same style QB) on the Bengals, they wouldn’t succeed either. Look at how average Manning looked last week with all of the 1st stingers that were hurt. 3 starting Olineman were hurt, Wrs were hurt and their All pro TE was hurt too. But he still can throw the damn ball. If those WRs caught all those dropped passes and the Oline didn’t allow any pressure to get to him, well then….
I also think that Carson relies to much on Brats timing plays and is ask to be a robot back there and just stand in the pocket, per Brat. He waits for a play to develop, when sometimes you have to create a play by moving.
Jay Glazier hit the nail on the head last nite.
“With the Bengals offense, everything has to be perfect for it to work.” Palmer keeps saying “were a little off” week after week. I’ve expressed my feelings on Wonderbob’s timing plays on a fan post the other day. Timing plays are great, but if the receiver is covered (double covered), don’t throw the ball, live to fight another down. Or… improvise… Carson has not shown the ability to do this. We leave too many yards out there because we don’t have a quarterback that can make plays with his feet when the play breaks down. Palmer just stands there and takes a sack. I would at least like to see him throw the ball away, but that is something that he rarely does. He has no pocket presence, can’t break a tackle, and fumbles when hit. If Palmer could even show a threat of running or being able to break a tackle then defenses would hesitate. That hesitation makes a huge difference in the way a defender approaches a sack if he thinks the quarterback might shake him, it buys that extra second to allow someone to get open. Defenders just pin their ears back and rush him because they know he can’t get away. Defensive players love that.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
Your right about
everything has to be perfect. That is also true with Manning and Brady. They just have a great Oline that keeps the pressure off them. They don’t get antsy in the pocket like Carson does. But when they do get some pressure on them, they don’t have any problems getting up in the faces of their lineman and chewing them out. Carson doesn’t do that at all.
They can feel the rush
Palmer can’t, and I don’t think that is something you can teach.
I watched Brady earlier this year break a tackle, spin around, plant his left hand to to keep from going down, come up and fire a strike – pure athleticism.
Watch Manning’s footwork in the pocket, he’s amazing. He’s not going to take off and run, but he has the athleticism to avoid the rush and bye time for his receivers to get open.
Palmer is just not that athletic, he’s big, and has a big arm, but he will admit that he is not flexible, and doesn’t like to stretch. His footwork is horrible. He has no agility. It makes a huge difference being able to move in the pocket in order to allow your receivers to get open. Even Bret Favre moves in the pocket better than Palmer does and he’s 10 years older than Palmer. I can’t think of another quarterback in the league that has slower legs than Palmer.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
Lead feet..
and also he can’t b/c he telegraphs his two WRs the whole time in the pocket. Like he has no peripheral vision. Kinda like Neil O’Donnell. O’Donnell was a pretty accurate passer, just not mobile enough or aware enough in the pocket.
To busy staring down the WR he’s going throw to, even to notice the pass rush. Which the WR he throws to is doubled and tripled covered.
But I also think that part of it is Brats system too. Not all but part.. After eight years in this system, Carson is made to be a Robot b/c of timing plays/routes. Kinda like I have to be here in this exact spot to throw to you in that exact spot. If that doesn’t happen, the play doesn’t work. So we’re back to everything has to be perfect and that’s not possible every play, every game.
Conclusion: Brat must go and let’s see what a new OC can do with him. But it might be to late. I hope not.
Agreed, I would give him another year under a new OC...
I do think that it is time to get someone in here and start grooming them. Competition is a good thing, he has had the job locked up for so long that he might be getting complacent. We can’t leave ourselves in a position where if he goes down we don’t have an adequate replacement. Jordan Palmer is clearly not the answer. Too bad Carson doesn’t have Jordan’s ability to scramble though.
That being said; who do you like?
I don’t think we are going to spend a 1st rounder on a QB, we may be able to get a guy like Kellen Moore in the early 2nd round. Let him sit for a year or two and learn.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
I like Mallet which could go in round 2,
but Mike Brown, if they take a QB, will take someone like Stanzi. Which I hate. I think Stanzi is another Sorgi. He will never cut it. But if we keep Brat then forget about it. He’ll screw him up too.
Unfortunately, Carson will not have anyone to compete with until the end of his contract. He’s still Mikeys golden boy, untouchable..
I like Mallet too...
I’m not sure we would get him, but I like him. He’s huge, hard to tackle, and the kid can throw the ball. I think he would be a great fit for the AFC North. The only problem I see with him coming to us is the Bobby Petrino connection, and we all know how Zimmer feels about Bobby Petrino. I don’t know if they would let that factor in to the pick or not. He is actually my 1st choice too, but I have kind of shied away from him because I have a feeling they won’t take him because of this. I hope I am wrong though.
I don’t like Ricky Stanzi at all either, he’s got horrible acuracy and late game decision making. Cam Cameron runs the spread so I don’t know if he would translate, although I like his size and athletic ability. There is just something about Andrew Luck’s accuracy and development that I think needs another year in college to polish, he will probably stay another year anyway. That brought me to Kellen Moore, the kid has been a 4 year starter and he seems the most NFL ready to me besides Mallet. I would rather have Mallet over him though.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
I don't know much on Moore
and that’s an interesting take on the Bengals and Mallet. I would hope that they wouldn’t hold a grudge on a kid b/c of hating their coach. He actually was recruited by Michigan and transferred to Arkansas after Rich Rod became HC. I’m not a Michigan fan but Tressel recruited him hard. He just liked Carr better. So they should keep that in mind. That he originally went to the Big Ten first, but had to change and take the best available school for him.
Yeah, Rich Rod's sytem didn't fit him
If it wasn’t for Denard Robinson, he would look like a total idiot letting Mallet go.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
it's a development thing
you want a mobile QB. a guy who, when everything else fails, can make things happen. how many sacks could palmer avoid if he could run. the trick is having a QB that has a solid passing game and is willing to stay in the pocket until there’s nothing left but to run. you can even watch pryor at OSU this year. besides plays where he’s designed to run, he’s staying in the pocket much more than last season.
RIP Slim.
one theory I've always had
is getting a bunch of running QB’s who can rotate or at least back eachother up when they get injured. The problem I see with running QB’s is of course they get injured easily and when you bring in a pocket passer (i.e. Kolb replacing Vick), it completely changes the chemistry of the offense and passing with the recievers.
I’d of loved to see Vick backed up by Troy – who is backed up by another running QB.
Then get a strong heavy back (like a Hillis) who can block, catch, and counter-balance the QB’s scat-back running with solid between the tackles running.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
and cheap
if they had signed Vick last year.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
And it'd work too.
Unlike having a mobile guy and a bunch of pocket guys, you’d have three mobile guys, so when one inevitable goes down, your offense doesn’t go down the drains entirely.
The Vick enigma is solved!
by Doc Scratch on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was watching Vick play tonight and last week
and I honestly think he is playing like a MVP candidate. I don’t remember him being this good before his prison days.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
b/c for whatever reason
he wasn’t the passer b4 prison that he is now. He makes a 50 yard throw look effortless, and the intermediate routes are absolutely beautiful lasers w/perfect spirals 95% of the time…..the thing that still impresses me the most about Vick is his pocket presence and his ability to ALWAYS keep his eyes downfield(even when pressure is 2 feet away falling at his ankles….dude is going to win a superbowl (soon)
well he's 30 now, so his biological clock is ticking
but he definitely does have some potential. I wonder if maybe spending a couple years out of football helped his arm and shoulder fully recover from whatever minor injuries he may have accumulated prior, so he CAN actually throw better now. When you think about it, a lot of these NFL QB’s, particularly the older veterens, have been beating the hell out of their arms and shoulders for 10-15 years, so there’s a good chance many of them pick up minor injuries & ailments along the way, but continue playing with them and compensating their throwing mechanics.
Carson Palmer especially comes to mind in this sense.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
I watched Troy Smith throw too
on Sunday. He’s throws just like Vick. Just needs playing time though. I think he will be a very good QB.
I hope Troy has solidified his starting role in San Fran...
I really like that kid and I hope he does well…
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
And we could've had him.
The only reason the Ravens cut him was b/c he was unproven and hadn’t really played. He was actually going to start before Unibrow, but they decided that they would go with him instead. After Unibrows first season, Troy was lost automatically. They decided that two proven QB’s are better than one and an unproven one. I hope he tears it up and shows the Ravens that they screwed up. Oh, and every team that pasted him up (Bengals).
You gotta go WR
The line has some young players. The draft has a bunch of DEs that could impact a team. Even Ponder in the 2nd would be a good project QB until Palmer is really off the rails. Making grabbing a #1 WR to make up for the loss of both of the guys would be key. But in all, this team is going to go through some hard times. I really do wish you guys luck. No one deserves an owner like MB.
Ithaca has given you the beautiful journey.
Without her you would not have set out on the road.
Nothing more has she got to give you.
And if you find her threadbare, Ithaca has not deceived you.
Wise as you have become, with so much experience,
you must already have understood what Ithacas mean.
-cavafy
At the rate we're going, the Bills are going to beat us, and we'll be tied with the Lions for the worst record in the league.
Though the Lions will probably get at least one more win, Shaun Hill did blow out the Rams, he can do it again, so hello #1 overall pick.
If that’s the case, then is it worth taking AJ Green? He would need a skill set that rivals Calvin Johnson at least to make him that high of a draft pick.
by Doc Scratch on Nov 15, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
If you get #1
That seems to be a no brainer. I think the Bengals are better than that, but if that’s how things pan out…
Ithaca has given you the beautiful journey.
Without her you would not have set out on the road.
Nothing more has she got to give you.
And if you find her threadbare, Ithaca has not deceived you.
Wise as you have become, with so much experience,
you must already have understood what Ithacas mean.
-cavafy
Will he declare?
We assume he will but with the impending blackout, Luck has no problem staying at Stanford. If that’s the case, who do we take.
I know there are mixed feelings on Walter Football,
but the facts presented in this piece speak for themselves:
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftnewregimes.php
It’s likely that if there’s a new coach, Palmer will be out within 16 months. The only exception would be if Zimmer were hired and he wanted to keep things together, but I still think he’d switch things up.
Also, I heard from a friend that Mike Brown is at or around the age at which Paul Brown stepped down. If that’s true, can we expect Mike to finally end the madness in the next year or two? After all, he has (pathetically) attempted to do everything his dad did as an executive. Maybe he’ll hand things over to Katie and Troy (who would probably just hire a GM).
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 15, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions
Eh, half-and-half
Teams change regime because the current one doesn’t work, hence a near-league-bottom record. So they bring in new coaches and players to try to fix things, but players are only jettisoned if the roster lacks talent. Considering we were labeling this the most talented Bengals team in years, well, uh
by Doc Scratch on Nov 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Mike Brown
Then let the house cleaning begin..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Nov 15, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
nod
the gm needs to go.
the scouting department needs to be rebuilt.
the offensive coordinator needs to go.
the qb coach needs to go.
the d-line coach needs a demotion.
the special teams coach needs to go.
the lb coach needs a demotion.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
um where was the vote button for Kicker?
Nuge tore his ACL and MCL….so Mike Brown will probably draft a kicker.
just kidding. i think it depends on who/what we are building our future towards. If MB is sold on keeping Carson through the length of his contract, then wipe out the QB picks. If not, I’d like to see Cam Newton b/c he can make things happen w/his feet if/when the line breaks down in protection….no WR, i’d be coole w/ a DE though, or an Elite safety
Why not WR?
I mean, granted, Mikey Boy will screw it up regardless, but we definitely need at least one to take over for T.O. as well as a future #1. Don’t tell me Jerome doesn’t see the field because he doesn’t play STs, I know he can do that.
improve the O-line and both Palmer, RB, & the recievers suddenly look better
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Doesn't change the fact that we wouldn't have a true #1 by 2012 at the latest.
Providing Chad doesn’t come back for any number of reasons.
I'm curious what people think of Julio Jones
If there is the possibility that he could slip to the 2nd round, I’d be all about drafting him. Honestly I’d rather have the team spend the 1st pick on the offensive line, just seems like they pan out a lot better than some of the other positions (Andre Smith not included).
Jon baldwin > julio jones
he’s 6’5", has a leaping ability, strong as f*** lol (bench pressing around 400) with a decent speed behind him. If he’s there in the 2, pull the trigger.
Sports = Money.
Draft For A System
Do you ever wonder how the Steelers and Patriots keep restocking their teams through the draft every year? They don’t pick the most athletic, most decorated or the standard “best player available”. They draft guys who fit their system. Two examples of the Bengals not doing this are Keiwan Ratliff and Chase Coffman. Ratliff was a cover 2 corner drafted by a team who wanted to play man to man press coverage. As we found out Ratliff didn’t have the foot speed to play man to man in the NFL. Chase Coffman is an H-back or a 3rd down tight end. He is drafted by a team who needs their tight ends to block in a power running game. Coffman has trouble blocking. If Coffman had been drafted by the Patriots who use their tight ends more as wide receivers he probably would be thriving right now.
Until the Bengals start drafting players to fit whatever schemes their running on offense and defense they will continue to struggle.
Makes perfect sense, really
Because then they talk about players struggling and how they lack offensive identity.
I mean, I didn’t have the specific examples here, but I had an inkling this was the case.
Trade down
ultimately, I see a need for at least two positions and possibly four: DE, LB, and possibly OT (if Andre doesn’t come back healthy) & WR (if Chad & TO don’t come back).
I thought Peko played pretty solidly yesterday against the Colts and could possiibly start next year in place of Tank, though I’d still like to see a late round draft pick of a DT. But, I’d agree with most of you we need a solid DE (and not some “steal” MB gets).
I think we need a strong SAM LB to either replace Rey who shifts over to Middle — or we draft a middle LB to replace Dhani and keep Rey at SAM (I question Rey’s intelligence for playing middle).
At OT, even if Andre comes back and reclaims RT, I still wouldn’t mind seeing Whitworth shift back over to LG with a stud rookie LT and shift Livings over to RG.
And at WR, I still think we need at least one other young guy since Simpson, Caldwell, and Cosby don’t seem to be panning out as potential starters. And of course, there’s a good chance Chad and TO won’t come back – or get injured.
Since we have several potential needs and we don’t have the scouting to adequately select decent players beyond the 1st/2nd rounds, I’d love to see us trade our high pick down a little for extra 2nd and 3rd round picks. If need-be, throw Odom and Geathers on top.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
the caveat to trading down
is we aren’t stuck paying a huge salary to another bust or underachiever. I’d rather get a late 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, and two 3rd rounders than 1 each of an early 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounders.
And if I had my way, I’d draft DE in the late 1st, OT in early 2nd, LB in late 2nd, receiver in early third, and DT in late third.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Problem with this:
How often does Mikey trade picks?
Especially first rounders? I mean, c’mon, New Orleans was offering him an entire pick goldmine and he didn’t take it.
I know....
my hope so far on this blog is that he is a huge Zoolander fan and is slowly getting brainwashed by my comments.
“Relax, don’t do it…when you want to go do it….” Now, Mike Brown, KILL THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALASAYSIA!!! And hire a GM!!!
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
is that when NO wanted Ricky Williams?
I vaguely remember that day, but it seems so looong ago.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
hey but Akilli Smith (our other awesome A. Smith 1st round pick) really panned out well....
ughhhh
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
***I meant Sims by the way - not Peko
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
Robert Quinn
Theres a sweet talent evaluation of Robert Quinn over at Mocking the Draft. I’d recommend reading it, then re-voting on this post….
I actually just read it and commented on your comment.
I’d take Robert Quinn.
by Doc Scratch on Nov 15, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Doc
head back over and check out the scouting report on Cam Jordan…..sounds like he might be a more pro-ready fit for our defense than Quinn.
Yeh.
I’m also checking out Cam Newton stuff. I asked my Auburn fanatic friend about him, he had to “lurn me” as he put it.
“Better than Tebow” is basically what I got.
ya
as far as I’m concerned, Fig Newton and Terrell “No” Pryor(s) are basically the same guy. Prior has more upside IMO b/c of the pro-style offense he’s currently playing in, but BOTH guys aren’t really good passers yet (IMO). I had the same knock on Brady Quinn after watching MSU get beat by ND in the rain in East Lansing——seems as though he can only throw to spots, not accurately at recievers…
Yea
But there’s also a sweet evaluation of AJ Green where he gets compared to Larry Fitzgerald… Yes please.
Does it mention he's not going to play a down this season?
Because that’s not always something that is going to be overcome. Gresham is ok, but it doesn’t always work out like that.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Nov 16, 2010 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Quinn.
How have you not heard of UNC’s multiple investigations that sidelined a bunch of their players this year?
He accept $5k in incentives from an agent I think.
by Throw the ball on Nov 16, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
oh yea
it does mention that about him, but Cam “Fig” Newton (allegedly) asked/took/whatever WAY more than 5K. IMO that’s not a very big deal considering how much $ the NCAA makes off these kids while giving them free “educations”….whole nother topic though, sorry
I dont care if he took money or not
But newton will play this entire season. Quinn won’t play a game.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Nov 16, 2010 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
TRU
but think about this…..it’s much much easier for a DE to miss a year (fresh legs, lifting, staying in shape) than it is for a QB to miss a year then transition from college to Pros. I’m not sold on Quinn being our first round pick by any means, but based off team needs I’m trying to learn as much about the top tier DE’s as I can, instead of falling in love with a big/fast QB who can’t throw NFL style routes but can run…
Honestly, I think Cam Newton will be available in the second.
Locker, Luck, and Mallet are all first rounders and while you’ve got a bunch of QB needy teams, all of them are more needy in other spots (Fitzpatrick and Garrard both look competent…amazingly enough).
tend to not pay attention to ACC football AT ALL
i did hear about those investigations, but as mentioned above I coudl care less about ACC football for the most part. I definately did not hear that Quinn was involved though- that just makes gives him a more legitimate chance of getting drafted here….Character Flags!!
Hell draft a gorram toaster.
And by that I mean a REAL Proctor-Silex TOASTER! Can’t he just DIE already????
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Nov 15, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions
Receiver.. hands down.
Carson is out in 3 years or less. We need a high caliber receiver to make whoever the new young QB is look good a couple years down the line.
You can always get a quality reciever in the later rounds, there are so many of them...
We have to build the line on both sides of the ball, it all starts up front. If we would have drafted Desean Jackson instead of Jerome Simpson we would have been set. When Jerome Simpson was showboating on a first down catch during a preseason game having only accumulated 2 yards in the NFL shows me what kind of brain he’s got.
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
I don't think most people are realizing why MB won't get another QB
1) The revenue Palmer has and will still continue to generate for MB, in terms of jersey sales, star power/popularity (yes, many people still like Palmer and assume he’s still an elite QB) which leads to more tickets sold and higher tv ratings.
2) He’d be walking away from a huge investment in terms of all the upfront signing bonus money he gave Palmer before he ever played a single down of that lucrative $118 million/6 year contract a while ago.
3) He’d have to admit that he well over-payed for Palmer.
Beyond all this, I still believe Palmer can get it done. But in my mind, it’s a moot point to even discuss drafting another QB in a high round since it won’t happen due to the aforementioned Mike Brown/fiscal reasons.
Moisture is the essense of wetness, and wetness is the essense of beauty.
But he mights still considera second or third round QB "worth it"
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 17, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Two reasons.
1) The backup situation is awful. If Palmer goes down we’re even more screwed than we already were. Jordan and LeSchiffe can’t go out and win us an easy game if Carson’s injured.
2) It could be time to start grooming Carson’s successor. Using an early third-round pick might be a good fit. I’m not fan of taking quarterbacks outside of the top 40 picks, but this year is rather deep at quarterback. The only sure-bet franchise guy is Luck, but there are plenty of others out there like Locker, Mallett, Stanzi, etc. who could fall to round 3 and still be decent. That’s not usually the case, so the time is now to get an experimental No.2 QB.
Also, if Mike thinks the problem is more coaching than talent, he’ll do something about that, but he might be more hesitant to load up on NFL ready talent and instead opt for a future guy with upside. I kind of doubt this because I don’t think he cares about the long term anymore, but one can only hope.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 17, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Did he overpay for Palmer?
He was a top 5 QB in overall effectiveness in 05/06 and a top 8 in 07. Had this team drafted for the future on the O-line he probably still would be.
by Throw the ball on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Luck
The guy is supposed to be the highest rated QB entering the draft (if he entered the draft) in the past 10-15 years. High IQ, great arm, mobil.
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