Possible Bengals Head Coach In 2011: Peter King Suggests John Fox
by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 14, 2010 10:12 PM EST
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After the Bengals went 10-6 in 2009 and making the playoffs, there was plenty of justification as to the high level of expectations that was rampant in Cincinnati. When you consider that the team was bringing back virtually every starter on offense and defense, it was a good start for a sunny disposition. One of Cincinnati's biggest concerns after 2009 was their passing game. The front office addressed that, signing Antonio Bryant, who was later released by the team due to an unhealthy knee and Terrell Owens to replace him. Furthermore, in between the veteran free agent signings, Cincinnati drafted a pass-catching tight end in Jermaine Gresham and a solid slot receiver in Jordan Shipley. So it's not unreasonable to say that expectations for the Bengals in 2009 was brimming over the edges with awesome spirits from fans, the media, the players, the coaches and unquestionably the front office.
Now that the Bengals are 2-7, after Sunday's loss to the Indianapolis Colts, there's going to be a certain level of blame during the offseason this year. Of course, you can say the Bengals front office is the problem until you're blue in the face, but you know that's not going to change any time soon. And when expectations of big-time success drops off the cliff like a busted tire at Daytona, the axe typically falls on the head coach.
Marvin Lewis is perhaps coaching his final year as the Bengals head coach with an expiring contract after this season and reportedly no known contract discussions for an extension. It's quite possible that a 2-7 start and the Bengals likely (read: totally) out of the playoffs, the Brown family will want to maximize whatever opportunity they have left with this core of players. And they could view that starting with Lewis' departure.
Peter King, when asked what happens with Carolina's head coaching situation next year, suggests that John Fox will be a possible head coaching candidate in Cincinnati if the Bengals aren't able to agree to terms with Marvin Lewis. Fox, who has typically favored a defensive team with a strong rushing offense, is in the ninth year as the Panthers' head coach with a 72-64 record, three 11-win-plus seasons and, before this season's 1-7 start, never having a season where he finished two games below .500.
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I like John Fox.
I can’t see him going to Cincinnati at all. For starters, he’ll likely command to much money for Mike to seriously consider and second, after the likes of Gruden and Cowher, he’s probably one of the more elite coaches on the market next season. It’ll be a busy season for free agent coaches. The Bengals job has to be considered one of the lesser values.
I feel certain (although not a supporter of it) that Zimmer will be rewarded the team and failing that, likely another coaching burn out such as Wade Phillips or an desperate assistant coach will find this job.
Well
He’s been over .500
3 Times in his Head Coaching Career. (this being his 8th season)
And during his last trip to the playoffs he was 1 game and done.
So it’s fair to say he hasn’t won a playoff game since the 2005-2006 season.
Yes, he’s made it to the Super Bowl but after that season he’s had a record of 36-37 (as of today).
I don’t see how hiring him over Marvin is an upgrade honestly.
But more importantly I wonder who will be our Rooney Rule Canidate to interview :)
Sports = Money.
but it is time for a change
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Nov 14, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the Boy's.
They got rid of Wade and suddenly they beat on the road a team that was looking like the best team in the NFL. Why? Because a change does help with the mood of the team. And the mood is everything. Marvin Lewis reeks of dullness and depression.
Leslie Frazier of course.
actually, it’ll be Fewell of the Giants.
I'd certainly take a proven winner as HC
That includes all of the head part, some of the coach part, and none of the offensive, defensive, or especially the coordinator parts.
I want a guy who’s taken teams to Super Bowls before as a head coach. I don’t care how dominant Lewis’ defense was with the Ravens, I want a guy who’s made the Super Bowl in the previous decade as a HC. Unfortunately, they will never come here because they will never get the freedom required to put together a Super Bowl team.
just another has been coach for a bunch of has been players
by bengalinflorida on Nov 14, 2010 11:58 PM EST reply actions
better than Marvin IMO
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Nov 15, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
John Fox would be cool with me
it will be a huge upgrade over a Head Coach that doesn’t have a clue on Sundays. I hope Marvin goes and takes pLAMEr with him
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
as long as his time management is better than lewis
by bengalinflorida on Nov 15, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
OMG you are so right
Marvin just throws the red flag in the most horrible of situations
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
by TennBengalfan on Nov 15, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
I think it will be Zimmer anyway which is ok by me as well
"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche
Then What?
If Zim gets promoted, who runs our D? Trust me I’d have no happier moment than the day that Zimmer goes up as he deserves, but we can’t expect him to be calling all D plans as well. If we do, then he burns out in the middle of the season. Don’t give the man two jobs. Let’s put it this way, Zim moves up, and we put Brown in finding a D coach. Our D is the rock on which we the Cincy fanbase have rested upon. Yes, I do see Brown as being more competent finding a D coordinator (see Marvin’s previous career), but still. Keep Zim where he is unless a sure fire D man is lined up and just needs to sign on the dotted line.
by bill schwab on Nov 15, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't mean jack
as long as they don’t have a real General Manager and scouts.
It simply does. not. matter.
Sure, Marvin Lewis sucks as a coach and game day manager.
But the most important thing is they don’t have the players. They’ve got scrubs on both lines, for the most part. They’ve blown scads of draft picks on mediocre linebackers who mostly disappear. Hence no pass rush, and they don’t open holes or protect the QB very well.
You build a professional football team with a general manager and scouts. Something the Bengals basically have operated without for 2 decades.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions
You're blaming the lack of the pass rush and pass protection on the LBs?
Mike Brown? Izzat you?
I mean, I agree, we need a GM and scouts to get more quality picks, but c’mon.
by Doc Scratch on Nov 15, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
most teams do the same
Have you ever noticed how many WR’s are drafted every year. Most are never heard from again. A few years back Washington took 2 in the first and they are both MIA
by smoormandiddy on Nov 15, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
No thanks Mr. Fox
I know it’s kinda risky and it usually doesn’t work out too well, but I want a young fiery guy that will get this team out of their funk. The entire cincinnati sports realm has sucked for the better part of 20 years and I think we need a change of pace guy who can light a fire under all the young talent and maybe coax a few more years out of the older guys. Get someone who really cares about football and shows his passion for the game, heaven forbid someone smile around here when things go well and get an upbeat attitude (yes I know it isn’t often, but gloom and doom is getting old).
I just think it’s time to pull a 180 and see if we can skip a 3 year rebuilding process after this season and get right back in the thick of it next year. I like that John Fox has been to the super bowl and all, but I don’t understand bringing in what seems to be more of the same. Mike Tomlin wasn’t supposed to get the Steeler job but impressed the hell out of management, I say we don’t stop looking until we find someone that can do the same.
Gotta be...
Zim. The players respect him too much. I sometimes think even the offensive guys respect him more than Marvin. They need Mike Zimmer as head coach and fire Bratkowski!
"A fear of heights is illogical. A fear of falling, on the other hand, is prudent and evolutionary."
- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Yuck. Out of those, I guess Zim is the best.
Frasier and Jackson will be here for five minutes and then resort back to their Bengalized ways.
Oh you mean
Like when hue Jackson developed one of the greatest offenses in team history and Barring the Palmer knee injury, a probable super bowl? Yeah, you’re right. We wouldn’t want that.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Nov 15, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't mind having Fox
I like the idea of a proven winning coach coming to town. However, I don’t see it happening. No proven coach would come work for Mike Brown and they’d be smart for it.
Culture Problem
I have been yammering all year to “FIRE BRATSUCKSKI”, but I have come to grips with the fact after watching the Bengals that the team is mired in a “Culture of Losing”. We have excepted games like yesterday as the status quo for a franchise that does not know how to create an environment to win in. It will not matter who is coaching because I am convinced that this is an ownership problem through & through. Only in Cincinnati to we seek solice in a close lost rather than berate the faults of the loss. The real fans of this team who have been getting kicked in the stomach week in & week out have become “numb” to the ineptitude of the Mike Brown Regime. Selling the team is the only long term fix for our beloved Bengals, anything else is just a bandaid on a sucking chest wound!!!
by Vman in Germany on Nov 15, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions
If we go after any coach, go get Gruden!
by Vman in Germany on Nov 15, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
+1 billion!
Marvin for GM?
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Nov 15, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I like Fox as a DC
I want a man as the head coach and a mind as the defensive coordinator. That’s Zimmer and Fox respectively.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 15, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions
Not really. Are you really sure that Lewis is a man? He appears to just be a robot to me.
He doesn’t have to be brilliant, but he does need some passion and fire and ability to inspire his team. Zimmer had that last year. I don’t know if he still does or not, but I’d be willing to give him a shot if we could get him some quality coordinators who are actual human beings with IQs above 100. Which rules out Bratsuckski by about 85 points.
It is about time that coach Marvin Lewis goes after his contribution in the Bengal’s bench. I am not a John Fox fanatic but if he can deliver with the quality players that Bengals have then so be it I will support his move here just like rumors has it.
Michael Jordan is a God
The Bengals have gone over a decade with defensive head coaches. I’d be very surprised if Brown doesn’t go with an offensive coach. Don’t be surprised if the next head coach is no other than:
Bob Bratkowski.
If that happens..
Im no longer a fan.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Nov 15, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If BRATSUCKSKI is even on the coaching staff next year,
I’m no longer a fan.
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Nov 15, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
The last thing we need is another mediocre head coach....
No matter how much we want it, Mike Brown isn’t going anywhere. If we get a first time head coach Brown is going to tie his hands and he isn’t going to be able to do anything. We have already been down this route, we know the results. The only way this team is going to change is if we bring in someone with some clout like Gruden, or Cowher who knows how to run an organization and is an established winner. Brown isn’t going to give up that kind of control either, so all of this is a moot point. There is basically no scenario with Mike Brown involved in it that will EVER result in a championship, so we might as well get comfortable because we are SCREWED!
MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!
I might have been OK with Fox a year ago. He seemed like a decent guy who got a lot out of an average roster there in Carolina. They weren’t great but they weren’t ever horrid either. Would at least avoid another lost decade for us.
Now I’m not so sure. The guy has lost all fire, all drive, all passion, and all hope. His opening-day team wasn’t that much worse than any previous year. There were some key injuries, but any other year he would have found a way to keep trying and at least been semi-respectable. Not this year. I don’t know if it’s just because his cheapskate moron of an owner wouldn’t fire him or extend him but something has sapped his will. He can’t resign because then he wouldn’t get paid (and still couldn’t work) but he also clearly doesn’t care anymore. He wants to be gone. Now maybe a change of scenery brings back his fire. But until I have reason to believe that, he’s got a huge CAUTION sign blinking above his head for me.
Hopefully
Mike Brown sees whats happening in Cleveland. They hire someone to do handle the football aspect of the team like Cleveland did in Holmgram. They need a GM, plain and simple. Mike Brown is useless and simply cannot run a football team. How after 25 years of faliure can he not see this? Any coach that comes here is doomed for the same reason Marvin Lewis was doomed from the begining.
Marvin needs to be given more control,any new guy coming in will swim against the tide,like Marvin has tried to do since he got here.
Let Lewis coach with full authority and then let him stand or fall on that. If we get rid of Marvin then this becomes Browns team all over again and we will see a decline that takes us back to 1990’s levels of crapness.
Let Marvin select his staff(Get rid of Brat). Let Marvin try and get some sort of scouting structure in place and then lets judge him. We get a new guy in then we are back at square one and the best case scenario is results similar to what Lewis has given us. I know it isnt popular but Lewis is still this teams best chance. Yes I know that he has made some mind boggling chances and isnt the best clock manager but I know for a fact the same sort of thing has been said about Andy Reid in Philly or Mike McCarthy in Green Bay,the difference being that those guys have the backup of a Professionaly run organisation.
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