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Carson Palmer Against the New York Jets Epitomizes 2010

It's really hard not to blame Carson Palmer for the team's complete lack of effectiveness this season. With 15 interceptions this year, three of which have resulted in a pick-six, the Palmer-led offense summarizes the appearance of disappointing production that Bengals fans have seen all year. If Palmer averages one interception per game with five games remaining this season, he will tie his career-high 20 interceptions that he established in 2007. Yet, Palmer is also on pace to throw the football 677 times this year, or over 100 times than his highest pass attempted total (575) in 2007. That's awfully high for mediocre production from a once promising quarterback who is on pace to reach a career low completion percentage and yard/pass average -- not including his four-game season in 2008.

Against the New York Jets, Palmer's two interceptions marks the third straight game with two picks or more and fifth game this year in which he recorded multiple interceptions. During Palmer's 2007 season, our fearless quarterback threw multiple interceptions in seven games.

Yet, it wasn't Palmer's interceptions that sealed the team's loss against the Jets Thanksgiving night. The first interception, which was nothing more than a 44-yard punt, was like playing catch in the backyard. "Look son," as I hold onto the baseball. "Here's a fly ball. Make sure you get under it and catch it with both bands. None of that fancy stuff."

The protection, good:

The football hung in the air and Jordan Shipley, the intended receiver, tripped.

The pass was bad, mostly because there was entirely too much air underneath it. Yet, we have to ask: Was the decision to throw deep universal? In other words, was the called play everyone run vertical and Palmer throw up the football. We could call it a third down punt, putting the Jets inside their own 20-yard line. Go back to the first screen print and notice the first down marker (the yellow line) and count how many Bengals receivers that around the marker that wasn't already in the middle of their vertical route.

Blame Palmer? Or blame the play called? With everything cleared out underneath, the Bengals had no receivers crossing near the first down marker. Palmer wasn't rushed to throw the football and it seems like a decision was made to simply throw it up. The biggest problem with this is that Palmer doesn't have the long-pass mustard he used to have, mostly thanks to an injured shoulder he's dealt with this season, as well as suspicions that his elbow still isn't right. Yet, this is a typical play in a game not even their own mothers had expected them to win. The Jets would run a nine-play drive that resulted in a 27-yard Nick Folk field goal giving the Jets a 3-0 lead with over nine minutes left in the first half.

On the Bengals following drive, Bernard Scott returned a short kickoff from the Bengals 14-yard line out to midfield. Two completed passes for eight yards, and Cedric Benson's 17 yards on two runs later, the Bengals were driving. Dare I say that they would score? Maybe. But we won't find out. Carson Palmer would throw his second interception of the game. And this one, it's hard not to blame Palmer for.

Again, the protection is good.

It's second down and ten, with just over five minutes left in the game. So the obvious answer is to throw up the football to Terrell Owens, who has three people covering him.

Set aside the though that Terrell Owens jogs the end of his route, rather than cutting underneath to try and break up the pass, this is one of those things where you sigh and shake your head at Palmer's decision-making process, which is ultimately killing this football team.

No, the Jets didn't score off Palmer's second interception, mostly thanks to a defense that stepped up in the first half of Thursday Night's game. Yet, Palmer's second interception was on a drive that pushed Cincinnati near the Red Zone, essentially killing a points-producing drive. And that's what killed Cincinnati's offense.

Even though Palmer wouldn't threw another interception in the rest of the game, our "elite" quarterback would only complete five of 16 passes in the second half for 36 yards.

With a quarterback making over $10 million this season and another $50 million due in base salary alone in the next four seasons, it's rather hard to keep excusing the quarterback play in Cincinnati when the team simply can't produce, starting with the quarterback. Blame the lack of an offensive line, if you'd like. Why not? That would be justified. Blame the play-calling; actually, you kind of half too or else risking getting lynched. Maybe excuse the quarterback play against a great opposing defense. The fact is, if you have a player that's a significant proportion of your team's salary playing the way Palmer's playing right now, then you're watching the investment flush down the drain.

I won't simplify it, saying that Palmer just isn't good anymore. He's been struggling as far back as the 2008 season. The question is, are we seeing any improvement? Or has Palmer, like several other players on this team, become a liability?

(note: I realize special teams had a significant role in Thursday's loss, which we'll examine today also)

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Finally our leader making sense of what's going on

I really hope the guys in here who continually defend Palmer (you know who you are) quit doing so.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Nov 26, 2010 10:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Good stuff Josh

Maybe we need to further the discussion of what do we do about Carson for this year. I think you would have to make him more accountable for his mistakes and bench him. But of course, Mikey the Moron won’t have none of that.

by WHYUS!! on Nov 26, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

I said it earlier in the week. No more Carson for the rest of the year.

Alternate between Jordan and LeFevour. Carson isn’t the answer, let’s see what we have with the other two. Maybe one of them will look like the guy, maybe not.

Either way, the team would be going into April with a defined view of a need.

by Craig Conrad on Nov 26, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

not going to blame it all on carson

this team is misfiring every game-day on all sides of the ball. marvin owns just as much as carson does in last nights loss. that non-challenge killed the bengals.

carson is the one thing on the field, if you could fix only one thing, that would help the team most in the win column. like if all of the bengals secondary were 100% healthy would that guarantee a win? no. if the pass rush could sack a QB 5 times a game with 5 additional pressures or knockdowns, could cincy win weekly? no. if benson stopped fumbling the ball in clutch time could we win more? no. if the kicker could convert 85% of the field goals would we reach the playoffs? no.

carson is not the catalyst of the broken 2010 season. he’s just the face of it. he defines it for us. carson is more rex grossman in 2010 than he is carson palmer.

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 26, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Carson has struggled more then most of us expected

And I like the guy, but at this point, it might be time to look at drafting a young guy or picking up a vet in FA or by trade.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Nov 26, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Carson - Not the only problem.

I’m not buying into the one man blame game, its futile and not the real reason we lost yesterday. Carson has not played at a good enough level to propel us to back to back division titles but the all or nothing approach to our off season activity hasnt helped either. I stayed up until 4:30am to watch the game over here in the UK and I was furious with the second half performance yet again. Too many 3rd and longs, too many breakdowns in protection, too many over pursuits, too many collective errors and not enough execution. I’ve basically just summarised the last 8 games for the Bengals and everyone is accountable for that.

The off season will be interesting and hopefully we can rise from the ashes we’ve created. I look at the team and think there are a number of players we could do without (Chad, T.O and Ced) and ones we need for the future and beyond (JJoe and Leon).

I for one can see Carson as a Bengal next year but only with a new head coach and offensive co-ordinator…time for some fresh impetus.

Keep the faith.

by Simon Hunter on Nov 26, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

On the pick in the endzone

where TO was triple covered, Gresham was wide open by the side line15 yards out with nobody around him for at least a 15 yard radius. Terrible!

by WHYUS!! on Nov 26, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

carson also has lost confidence of recievers

even the rookies are ready to berate him on the sideline.

by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 27, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

no check down

we need to sit carson down in front of a screen and play every pass that wasn’t completed when he had an open man to check down to. after that film is done, tell him that if the mistakes don’t reduce, he sits the rest of the season and a replacement is on the way.

I’ve still got faith in his ability to be a good qb, I only say that he needs to make his choices based on the type of qb he is now, not what he could do. React to what has happened and adjust accordingly.

(Mr. Bratkowski should read that last sentence and have it memorized)

Heeeeey, Ochocinco, he's a good guy, no?

by bill schwab on Nov 28, 2010 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

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