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La Canfora: Marvin Lewis "Very, Very Unlikely" To Return; Carson Palmer Could Be Gone After This Season

In an interview on NFL Total Access, NFL Network's Insider Jason La Canfora suspects that the end of the era in Cincinnati is quickly arriving. Along with saying the painfully obvious that Marvin Lewis is "very, very unlikely" to return next season, La Canfora believes that Carson Palmer could also be released if the Bengals draft a quarterback with a new regime change in Cincinnati.

Could be the end of an era there. Coach Marvin Lewis, very, very unlikely he's back in 2011. Quarterback Carson Palmer could be gone as well, if there's a regime change and they draft a quarterback. Ochocinco, T.O., Cedric Benson also among those that could be entering the final month with the team.

Even if there is a regime change, the fact remains that the regime will be headed by the same egomaniacal front office that stubbornly refuses to upgrade (read, actually build) their scouting department that's answerable to a new front office executive that judges and signs talent without the overbearing backseat driving from the Brown family.

While I'd hate to see any of those players go (I believe Carson Palmer is the least likely to leave), the fact is that Cincinnati needs fresh blood at any number of places within the organization. The culture of losing has returned and that culture quickly turns into a disease that's only cured when the team starts from scratch and those players are given the chance to start over elsewhere.

Yet, like a never-ending headache, the Bengals front office making that many changes in one season can be painfully disastrous, much like transitioning out of the Sam Wyche era in the early 90s.

In other news, my 2011 team credentials have been denied.

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At this point, I'm almost willing to say better late than never.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Nov 26, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

sensing another 19 year rebuilding project coming..

You dropped a bomb on me, hey baby
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me.

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 26, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

if they do go in a new direction...

Pick up Chads option, then trade him and Carson (to different teams).
Carson and Chad could each reel in a 3rd round pick

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by Joe Goodberry on Nov 26, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Nobody wants Carson with his hefty price tag

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Nov 26, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

teams that should want Carson... even for the price tag

Minnesota Vikings
Tennessee Titans
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
Oakland Raiders
Arizona Cardinals
Seattle Seahawks
San Francisco 49ers

I agree with FirstPick… if we can get value for either Chad or Carson, it might be time

by The Dealio on Nov 27, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Who in their right mind would want to have him without restructuring his contract which is almost impossible to do?

Right now he’s worth about what? 5 million a year tops? His due about 50 million in 4 years, who is going to want him with that kind of money owed? NOBODY. Our best option is to release him.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Nov 27, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They'll release him.

I could see him going to Oakland (reunite with his old QB coach, am i right there?), or the vikings as they have some talent to work with.

I could also see somewhere where they preach the west coast offense or pounding the rock 40 times a game. See: Titans.

Cardinals? Absolutely. Their QB situation is hosed and Larry Fitzgerald would drool over having a Carson Palmer…..sad but true.

by ddbumpus on Nov 27, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

This is good news....

too bad the Panthers will get the #1 pick and get Luck. We will probably draft some turd that one of our 2 scouts says is great.

If Marvin Lewis goes, and Bob Bratkowski stays I will officially boycot team

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Nov 26, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Im with you 100%! Only way things will EVER change is if Brown removes himself from the football operation side of things…until that happens I’m not sure it makes any difference who the coach is…

by Bdub14 on Nov 26, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with drafting a QB for the future…but you cannot let Palmer go. The real problem on Offense is Bratkowski period…if and when he’s ever gone I bet we see a major difference in Palmer and the rest of the players.

by Bdub14 on Nov 26, 2010 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

up until now I agreed but...

after watching that game yesterday, it has become obvious that his arm is not right anymore and judging by the look on his face after those terrible throws, he is starting to realize the same thing.

by smoormandiddy on Nov 26, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his arm is fine...

but his brain is busted… thats why he keeps throwing into TRIPPLE Teams

by The Dealio on Nov 27, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I always heard

that Palmer struggle with the playbook in college and had to have it simplified for him. Don’t see how he couldn’t get it here with Brat as the OC, but decision making and brainpower can definitely be put into question…

by ddbumpus on Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

how many QBs can run the no-huddle even HALF as effectively as carson? not many. i question his decision making a ton, but not his brainpower or ability to grasp the playbook.

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Nov 27, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just wondering

if Brat stays and we draft Luck, how well/long do you think it’ll take him to grasp the offense? There has been players here that have been here for 2-8 years and can’t grasp it yet. We are still in the same situation……Brat!

by WHYUS!! on Nov 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

Didn’t Carolina JUST draft Jimmy Clausen? Why would they draft Luck, or any quarterback next year?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

*seems to think they'd take Luck.

I trust the guys over there way more than me when it comes to draft talk.

Win a ring without the king! Cavs=2011 champs?

by sexsalad on Nov 26, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, you're correct, and this is why I have a shred of hope that we would still have a chance come draft day.

But a lot of people are saying that when the new HC comes in, he’ll look at Clausen and Pike and Moore and see nothing worth keeping, then draft Luck, especially if that new HC is Harbaugh.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Nov 26, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends. If Clausen comes back from his injury this week and plays halfway decently against the Browns — and as up-and-down as the Browns have been I could easily see him playing well… or him getting his butt whipped as well — then maybe he sticks as “they guy” next year.

But other than that, we need to hope they find a way to win two more games… somehow.

by FriarBob on Nov 26, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

When you've got nothing.....

You’ve got nothing to loose! I would never defend Mikey this year but, he’s not the biggest villan here. The facilities are top notch and the talent was there. Pathetically poor coaching plain and simple. Marvin should be fired now! Brat should have been gone 3 years ago. Sadly, Carson doesn’t have it anymore. He’s as responsible as anyone. There needs to be accountability. The rebuilding must start now. If they stumble thru the rest of the season, they will have no chance of attracting quality free agents. Sadly, this season is gone to crap. Its time to flush the turd.

by BamaBengal on Nov 26, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

You said you wouldn't defend Mike Brown but isn't the biggest villian

But then said

Brat should’ve been fired 3 years ago
. Also, you said
There needs to be accountability
.
Well that all starts with Mike Brown, doesn’t it?

by WHYUS!! on Nov 26, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt, Mikey is guilty.

I’m just saying, with the talent on this team, there’s no excuse for playing this poorly. Marvin and his team of coaches have done a horible job. If I’d perforrmed my job that way, i’d have been fired by now. No doubt the GM can screw up a team but seriously, would Bilicheck or Cower or Payton or Ryan (God I hate that guy) etc have done this poorly with this talent?

by BamaBengal on Nov 26, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

evryone talks about the "talent"

imo-we have very little talent on the O-line and D-line. This is where the games are won and lost.

"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski

by featherman on Nov 27, 2010 7:21 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe I'm the only one

But I’m growing tired of other bengals fans. Yes, once mike brown considered moving a DE to TE. It never came to fruition and the joke is over. It’s not funny anymore and plenty of teams have moved players around. Brad smith the bengal killer was a qb. Plenty of ol and dl play different positions. The chargers signed Antonio gates after he had never played football. It happens.

Yes, mike brown has plenty to answer for and is the primary reason this team has been in the dumps for years, but he’s not responsible for every issue with this team. And all the whining isn’t going to change things. You want action, get off your computer and do something. Organize and protest outside the stadium. As much as I hate WDR at least they took some action.

It’s just annoying. This team isn’t good for a number of reasons. many of which have nothing to do with brown. And like I said, I’m not a brown fan. I would love to see a GM and a full scouting department. I want this team to win as much as anyone. But allthe whining and bad jokes in the world aren’t going to give us 10 wins.

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Nov 26, 2010 5:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

And neither is a protest..

or law suits or billboards ect..ect…ect…. All this was tried before with no success.
Mike Brown will just think (as usually) all we want to do is embarrass him and his family, when all we want is change and a winning organization to be proud of. Somehow we have to get him to believe that a hiring a GM and more scouts are his ideas. That’s the only way.

by WHYUS!! on Nov 26, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

"I would love to see a GM and a full scouting department."

If you want to defend Mike Brown, it’s America, you are certainly entitled to that. Yet, why would you affirm the number one reason that most people feel is Mike Brown’s Achilles heel?

If Mike got some scouts, even doubling what we have to 6, which would still be the league’s smallest scouting department, a lot of us would be happy with that.

Well, and he’d need to hire a GM.

Those are top 2 things we are upset with. 19 years of the worst GM in franchise history and the league’s smallest scouting department are exactly what Bengal’s fans cry about. 19 years of it.

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 26, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not really defending Brown. He's tired of all the whining and placing all the blame at Brown's feet. Whining solves nothing. #$%# or get off the pot, so to speak.

Incessantly ripping Brown on message boards gets you nowhere. If you want change, make change.
If you want to whine, whine. But it’s not going to get anybody anywhere.

How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?

by Grizzlyfox on Nov 26, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid phone

It’s like if Palmer throws an interception it’s because brown told him to throw into triple coverage. Or if benson isn’t averaging 3 yards a carry it’s browns missed blocks.

I’m merely saying there’s plenty to be angry with and brown is number 1, but all people are doing lately is blaming EVERYTHING on him and making the same jokes as last year. It’s wearing thin.

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Nov 26, 2010 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Huh?

I get that we target Mikey Boy a lot, but look around man, Carson gets a ton of flak as well as Bratkowski and Marvin and Goat Position/Player of the week (for example, this is apparently “Cosby sux” week).

Yes, it’s wearing thin, and I’ve made similar assessments, but check a recent fanpost, some of us are inquiring on how to get a billboard to actually send the message to Mike Brown.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Nov 27, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

benson for example.

it could be argued the running game problems do start with the GM and the scouting department.

position: o-line

in the past when someone on the bengals line got expensive because of their abilities, they were not retained when the contract came up, nor was an adequate replacement drafted.

the bengals lack any successful o-line draft pick in the first 3 rounds for how long? the bengals line is a patchwork of low round draft picks and non drafted players.

the bengals just choose to stick a body in the o-line until they find one that worked. they didn’t try to develop one.

position: fullback

the bengals choose to go without a true blocking fb in 2010. in 2009 the bengals rish the ball for 2056 yards for 9 TDs while averaging 4.1 yards per rush.in 2010 the bengals have 1012 yards with 4 tds while averaging 3.7 yards per rush.

position: offensive coordinator

choosing to retain bratt for yet another season of his predictable play calling. the bengals offense surprises no team in the nfl when the bengals are running in 2010.

perhaps these 3 points might show why some fans believe the GM could be responsible for the issues ailing the 2010 running game in cincy.

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 27, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

RE: o-line
position: o-line

in the past when someone on the bengals line got expensive because of their abilities, they were not retained when the contract came up, nor was an adequate replacement drafted.

I agree that offensive line is a need we have to keep addressing. But with your example, the only person that it really applied to was Eric Steinbach. Levi Jones and Willie Anderson were released — after getting ridiculous amounts of money 2-3 years prior and now both are out of football.

We didn’t re-sign Stacy Andrews — and no one really cared — and Eric Ghiaciuc was released, as was Scott Kooistra. The issue isn’t so much we didn’t retain guys; it’s that we haven’t really looked at upgrading the position beyond undrafted free agents with the lone exception of Andre Smith, who could be argued as being a gaff by the front office (though he started to really come around before his injury this year).

the bengals lack any successful o-line draft pick in the first 3 rounds for how long? the bengals line is a patchwork of low round draft picks and non drafted players.

True. But it could be argued that the reason for that is that other areas of the team needed to be badly addressed. Sure, you could look back now and note that some of these guys we drafted as needs didn’t work out. But at the time, we drafted them because they were a need.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 27, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

steinback and andrews were the 2 names that came to mind

but also was thinking about every free agent lineman from 2006 to 2010 that we didn’t even look at.

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 27, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: Fullback
the bengals choose to go without a true blocking fb in 2010. in 2009 the bengals rish the ball for 2056 yards for 9 TDs while averaging 4.1 yards per rush.in 2010 the bengals have 1012 yards with 4 tds while averaging 3.7 yards per rush.

The Bengals didn’t bank on Vakapuna injuring his shoulder either. And in 2009, Reggie Kelly was used as a fullback as much as Jeremi Johnson was. Yet, I totally agree. We HAVE to upgrade the position for next season. I’ve argued that they haven’t taken the position seriously for the past three seasons.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 27, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

perhaps these 3 points might show why some fans believe the GM could be responsible for the issues ailing the 2010 running game in cincy.

That’s assuming that the front office gives the GM full control and he’s not just a face that Mike Brown throws out there just to appease fans. A GM would be great, or at least a football guy managing everything related to the field. But I fear that Brown isn’t the type of person to easily relinquish control.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 27, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Brown isn’t the type of person to easily relinquish control.

only death or old age is going to take that control from him. which tends to lead most fans down the 19 year path of sighing. he’s 74 now, so let’s say he’s above the normal and manages to work at his current job until he’s 90. worst case scenario, we’ve another 16 seasons to endure before we get a chance at change.

in a better case scenario, it could happen anytime in the next couple of years.. (been tell myself that since around 1995)

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 27, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Last O-lineman that I can remember worth a damn was Whitworth.

by ddbumpus on Nov 27, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

so you are saying people can't be discontent unless they have a solution?

ok, lets apply that logic to your stance as well then, what’s your plan for fixing this, unless you don’t have one then you aren’t allowed to voice disapproval with the people who are voicing disapproval?

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 27, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

No, he’s saying that it’s exhausting to read the same thing on EVERY post when Mike Brown or the front office has nothing to do with that post.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 27, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

think what jacked this thread into that territory

was the part about blowing up the franchise and starting a rebuilding phase. people wanting to point fingers about what went wrong with the last 19 years of rebuilding etc.

i imagine the outcries will get a little louder as hall and jo-jo are allowed to leave in 2011 and 2012.

" I for one, welcome our new Buffalo overlords. " - Whokebe

by palewook on Nov 27, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

season

I believe we need to clean house from the owner on down,I know that I`m dreaming,but what about a fan/season ticket buyout of mike brown`s ownership of the bengals.He loves money,we spend plenty of it on them.So why not buy`em out and do it right.Like I said I`m dreaming-lol

by tgam on Nov 26, 2010 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

If Marvin Lewis goes out from this team, many fans would officially boycott Cincinnati Bengals. Carlson Palmer may also loose the spot after this season according to the news. It was quite obvious in the game we saw yesterday! The throws very simply BAD big time! And what’s worse, that he knows that too.

Michael Jordan is a God

by suratitanay on Nov 27, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

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