Reedy: Future May Be Bleak for Bengals
So you think this year's bad? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it seems that the wreck that has been the 2010 season so far could be just be the beginning. According to Joe Reedy, things could get much, much worse.
Nothing is set in stone right now but it would probably be a somewhat safe assumption that Marvin Lewis will be interviewing for other jobs in different cities after this season. Now, nobody knows for sure if that is what will happen but, for arguments sake, let's pretend that it has already been decided. Who will be the new coach and where would he come from?
With no general manager and an owner who has liberally exercised his final say on who stays and who goes as far as assistants, that leaves a pretty shallow pool of who is out there. Also keep in mind that Lewis was the first coach since Forrest Gregg in 1979 who did not have any previous ties to the organization.
So the first major change could be the head coach. Would Mike Brown hire somebody from outside the franchise like he did when he hired Marvin Lewis or would he promote from within? Is it possible that defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer could be the next head coach of the Bengals? We'll have to wait and see.
Now that the season is coming to an end and a clear picture of the 2011 draft is forming, it is clear that the Bengals will have a top five draft pick. The main question is what positions will the Bengals attempt to fill with their first few draft selections and what position will be first?
Many fans, completely underwhelmed with Carson Palmer's performance, are screaming that a quarterback should be the first player drafted - possibly Andrew Luck or Jake Locker. Many fans would like to see the end of the Palmer era in Cincinnati and pass the quarterback torch on to a younger, newer face of the franchise. However, that is fairly unlikely considering that Palmer is under contract until 2014 and there may be more pressing concerns in the draft.
Running back Cedric Benson and wide receiver Terrell Owens are on the last years of their contracts and the Bengals have a $6 million option on Chad Ochocinco. It is extremely likely that two of the three will play for new teams next year. Even though TO has delivered this season, it is likely that his tenure with the Bengals will be just for one season as planned and even though Benson carried the Bengals to the playoffs in 2009, the NFL is very much a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. His less than four yards/carry average in 2010 will likely be the catalyst for his 2011 job search. I'm not saying I agree with it... I'm just saying.
Cedric Benson is in the last year of his contract, Terrell Owens is on a one-year deal and the club holds a $6 million option on Chad Ochcinco next year. One or two could return but not all three.
Benson has 11 100-yard games since joining the team four games into the 2008 season, but has been frustrated over the direction of the offense this year. Owens has been one of the top receivers statistically in the AFC this year while Ochocinco has struggled most of the time for the third straight year.
So, considering the massive drop off in talent if, worse case scenario, Chad, TO and Benson all pack their bags after this season, do the Bengals still draft a quarterback or will they go for the other skill positions? Don't forget about the offensive line either.
And then, there's always defense. Can the Bengals afford to keep both Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph? Did they sign Adam Jones to a multi-year deal in preparation for one of those two leaving in 2011? What about the safety position? Finding defensive lineman that can pressure the quarterback is a must. Antwan Odom and Robert Geathers have been disappointing when they played. Will the Bengals try to find replacements for them?
Finding a pass rusher is an obvious need especially after the disappointing seasons with ends Robert Geathers and Antwan Odom. Geathers has just one sack while Odom was suspended for four games for violating the league’s policy on performance enhancing substances and hasn’t been healthy for most of the season.
Does the team decide to release one or both during the offseason? A lot depends on the play of Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap.
My head is starting to hurt.
Considering all of this, can the Bengals really afford to have just the six draft picks (they traded one pick to Jacksonville in the acquisition of Reggie Nelson)? Will six picks and the free agency market really help the Bengals if they lose their running back, top receivers and some of their best defensive players? Wouldn't it make more sense to trade away the highest draft pick for more picks?
Or would they do something that would make a lot of sense, try to trade out of their spot and accumulate draft picks? The Bengals had no significant losses last year in free agency, meaning they wouldn’t receive additional compensatory selections.
Considering everything that has gone wrong this season and looking at the amount of new talent that the Bengals may need next season to fill the holes created by talented players who will inevitably part ways with Cincinnati, the future looks fairly grim. It is very possible that next year could be a rebuilding year.
It should be fun to watch players that we don't usually see play very often in the last few games of the season as the Bengals attempt to find out what kind of talent they have guaranteed and under contract moving into the 2011 season. Get ready for some Jerome Simpson!
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On the flip side:
New coach. So long as it’s not somebody in the organization, it’s a great improvement. Need an overhaul in preparation. Too many guys are set in their ways, what worked in 2005 and 2009 isn’t working now, so fix it. I heard Marvin’s “do your job” mantra during the Jets game, wanted to puke.
Shipley, Gresham, Dunlap, Mauluaga, and Johnson will be one year older. Each has their moments.
Schedule: will be much more favorable playing 2 fourths rather than 2 firsts.
High Draft Pick: Hopefully it’s a solid impact player, but you never know. Plus, if Smith is healthy for the first time it could be like having two top 5 picks, seeing how little of Andre we’ve seen the past 2 years.
Some things will have to go right, but #$# Joe Reedy. He goes out of his way to look “non-biased”.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
Trade Carson Palmer for more picks.
Then trade your top pick to the Eagles for Kolb. Just wishful thinking that’s all.
i guess it might depend
on the new coach. If it is someone who wants their guy then Brown may be open to that. But i can see Brown getting a guy who prefers vet QBs over rookie ones. (dream scenario Gruden)
by Sheffieldbengal on Nov 29, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be fine with trading Carson to Minnesota for any number of their picks.
But I’d sure as hell use our number one on Luck. I have no faith in Kolb.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
by Doc Scratch on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
You'd be lucky to get a 5th round pick for Palmer right now
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Locker isnt in consideration in the top 5 anymore
He’s more like a 14-36 pick right now
www.fantasydaddy.com
Ryan Mallet
rocket arm all the tools but the guys footwork is awful when he gets pressured (and against the Ravens and Steelers that is going to happen) and he makes loads of dodgy decisions ala Brett Favre gunslinger mode.
Cam Newton only has about 8 plays to run and never seems to throw the ball more than 10 times a game and his running style won’t be that succesful in the NFL (though he might be able to do a Big Ben and shake off tackles). Plus big questions about his character.
Other than Luck those QBs and Locker have big questions hovering over their heads
by Sheffieldbengal on Nov 29, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
i've seen cam newton before
he’s just the new version of akilli smith.
You know
With more poise, a better arm, accuracy, and is tearing up the SEC, which is a much better defensive conference than the PAC 10 in 99. But yeah, other than that, same player.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Nov 29, 2010 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My friend's a huge Auburn fan.
So believe me, I hear about this. You get comparisons to Tebow, Vick, Akili Smith, etc. Smith is why we’re all tentative but to have a potential rookie Vick makes us all drool.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
by Doc Scratch on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Vick
we need to be ripping mike brown apart for not taking a chance on vick, we bring in all these other second chance players to start over in cinci vick would be the man right now,
by bengals&buckeyenation on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
he tried to get Vick
Vick chose Phillie over us… Vick was smart because Holmgren is a great coach to have as a QB
by Sheffieldbengal on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
RE:
Yep. Bengals only offered a one-year deal whereas the Eagles offered two years. Anyway, when the issue was up for debate hearing about the Bengals interest in Vick, absolutely NO ONE was on board with it.
Managing Editor at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 30, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'd say he has slid into the 2nd round
He should have come out last year.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Way too early
for Reedy to make any reasonable predictions about next year.
Plus his arguement from history is so flawed. Because history tells us that Mike Brown would never pay a d-coordinator over a mil a year… oh wait he did that in the offseason with Zimmer. But then we can still count on Brown not to splash the cash on an area of need in the offseason…. oh wait he did that with Bryant and TO (you can add Odom). Plus Brown never uses a draft pick to trade for a player…. oh wait Nelson and Leonard (and the failed attempt to get Shaun Rodgers). Brown has trends and traditions he sticks to but those trends are all replicated by teams such as the Steelers and Colts. Browns real problem is his lack of scouting department and abundance of loyalty to coachs who shown the same to him.
Brown anit a good GM/Owner we know that but Reedy needs to calm down with the end of the world stuff. We know nothing about next year and it is as likely that Zimmer gets the job as some other coach. Best thing to say is that the offseason will be very interesting as many vets are going to be let go of…. and the way they are playing that may not be the worst thing (plus some of Brown’s recent draft picks have been alright… only took him 20 plus years lol).
by Sheffieldbengal on Nov 29, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions
You wanna know the big key to all of these recent changes?
Marvin Lewis.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
by Doc Scratch on Nov 29, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
not 100% sold on that
bringing back Henry wasn’t Marvin’s choice and i’m sure many other players weren’t either.
What i believe is that Mike Brown is more open to Marvin (and his coaches) imput. Ie when Zimmer said “i trust Adam Jones” and “I want Roy Williams” Mike Brown signed off on those moves… (but still it is Mike Brown running the show)
by Sheffieldbengal on Nov 29, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I’d attribute all of the moves and draft picks during the past couple of years to Lewis at least getting Mikey to try to fill positions of need. He doesn’t do it well because he’s an idiot, won’t hire a GM or another scout, and thinks he’s doing good because he’s got the right intention (or so I assume) but he’s had the effort because for some reason he realized he needs to trust his coaches. I credit that to Marvin Lewis.
Though if Zimmer was truly the only man responsible for bringing Adam Jones here, then that’s all the more reason to make him head coach. If Zimmer can fill Marvin’s “Mike Brown trusts me” shoes, then I’m all for Marvin leaving. That’s the only reason why I wanted him to stay.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
by Doc Scratch on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see it as bleak.
Yes, we’re not great or even good this year, but we won 10 games last year with a “game managing qb” and no passing game. I draft a qb in the first. See what pass rushers are available via FA. I actually wouldn’t be opposed to Vince young as a qb since it seems like he’s done in tenn.
But back to what I was saying. We can contend. We have good corners, solid lbs, but we need a pass rush. If we can get that, we can ride that d for a while.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Nov 29, 2010 8:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Vince Young would be better fit with this years team than Carson.
He has the mobility that we need with our horrible offensive line.
by JamesShively on Nov 29, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't trust him to keep his cool or make the passes we'd need him to make.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
by Doc Scratch on Nov 29, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
But
that is not completely true, since it’s J-Joe’s last year and he needs a re-sign.
Seeing how the defense works with him on and off the field this year i’m not 100% sure that a QB-position is the most pressuring subject!
We need J-Joe on the team, because even though Jones’s has been good his i more promising as a nickle-back!
Palmer is throwing good and bad this year but he is for most part of the game in hurry-up because we are behind and he’s been doing it pretty good despite his pickoffs.
I’d say we need a Stud end to pressure opponents QB’s becuase we are AWFUL in the passrush – use a 1. round on that instead
by Christian Gaarde Nielsen on Dec 2, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dont understand ?
We have been trying to rebuild for over 20 years now right ?
by bengalinflorida on Nov 29, 2010 8:43 PM EST reply actions
Yes we're a permanent expansion team.
My vote for Head Coach is Dom Capers. He seems to have a specialty for expansion teams and we’ve been playing like one for the last 20 years.
by JamesShively on Nov 29, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
a big opportunity
Yes we have a lot of holes to fill but there are always players that are looking for jobs. I can see this being a team being young next year with maybe some new vets coming in for depth to hold it down for a year. This should be a two year job to rebuild. Lets face it the D is not that bad. Our CB are good( I just hope JJ wants to come back). Our LB are not that bad just maybe some depth. we just need some safety and DE help.
Offense a little nore work to be done. Gut the line. Get a new back to compliment scott. Keep Chad and get some vet WR to hold it down for a year. I am all in now for releasing palmer. Use that money in other places.
For the draft I want a DE in the first. No QB unless its luck. Then I want ponder in the second for a QB. At least he can move.
If we can get locker, newton, or ponder in the late first or early second I’d be happy with that. Get the best player avail with the first pick; doubt that’ll happen because we don’t trade picks much.
by ddbumpus on Nov 29, 2010 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MIKE BROWN IS STILL THE OWNER!
Every year is bleak until this ass clown dies. Also I’m almost 100% sure but Bratkowski aint going anywhere. He is probably going to be made Head Coach. This team will continue to be irrelevant every year until Brown is gone. Stop kidding urselves people there is no hope no light at the end of the tunnel. 20 yrs this city has been led down a cave with no hopes of ever finding the way out. This is going to continue ever year. I just assume the bengals are going to lose every game every year so when they do its no big deal, but if they win its way more exciting. Letting Lewis go would be stupid. To fix this mess Brown needs to fire the entire offensive coaching staff hire a flipping GM and an army of scouts and let them do all the hiring, scouting and draft picking. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN so we will continue to blow. Same Thing New Year 1990-20??. HOPELESS
If they draft a QB early and ditch Palmer,
this goes from what could be a quick turnaround next year to a definite no turn around next year and the ultimate possibility that the drafted QB will fail and this team will be the Lions/Browns/49ers/Redskins/Jaguars/Dolphins/Raiders for the next 5-10 years.
Carson has shown he can win in this league. He deserves one more year before that kind of risk is taken. Just b/c Luck looks like a sure thing sure doesn’t mean he is. The Pac-10 blows. It’s awful. Luck was 3-1 against winning teams, including a 2 point win against USC, and a win over ND when ND had no idea what they were doing. Against Oregon he had a bunch of yards and 2 picks. Once Oregon climbed back up and got a 38-31 lead, Luck was 12-21 w/ 2 picks over the last quarter and a half. He’s not a lock.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
I'm far from a traditionalist, but...
…we obviously need major help on both lines. I’d be fine with focusing on OL and DL, and then adding in help at safety, LB, and WR. If we somehow end up at #1, I’d be open to Luck, but I think we won’t have a chance. So grab the best game-changing DE/DT available, or grab AJ Green and then focus on the lines for the next few picks.
by Big Sky Bengal on Nov 30, 2010 12:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
how many times will we give him a chance
Carson has shown he can win but not the last few years. Last year he wasn’t great at times either and people said “give him one more chance next year”. Well hes not doing it. I one one who still thinks he has game but I see it as a way to get out of his contract. tell me if I’m wrong but if we don’t release him this spring and the CBA has a salary cap, we are then on the hook for the rest against the cap if we release him later on. To me cut your losses, pay a different QB half of what palmer is making who will do the same he is doing and spend else where.
If Marvin does go I wouldnt mind seeing Rob Ryan getting a shot
we can retain Zimmer,as he has also operated the 3-4 scheme Ryan prefers. I believe draft wise,we build with the best lineman,which on the Defensive side is most likely Bowers,Offensive Line at this stage nobody stands out as a top 5 pick. I honest to goodness would be happy to take Mark Ingram(I know people say runners are a dime a dozen but I think he has the look of a special player). If luck is available when we pick it would be awfully tempting but I think Carson with a new playcaller would still be one of the better QBs.
Rob Ryan is not a good coach
He only looks good because of his father and brother.
Look at his defensive teams over the last 6 years. He has one team in the top 5 and the rest are meh.
Gotta evaluate the draft first.....
I would hate to go into the draft saying we’re going to take a WR, and pass up better players at other positions of need, just b/c.
Whe the dust settles, and we know who our coaches are next year, we should evalulate. It’d be tought to replace Carson, TO, Chad, and Benson all in one offseason, so I’m guessing Carson and Chad get another year.
To me, that means we have three options for the top 5 pick. If the top available QB falls to us, we take him. At this point, only Luck fits that description to me. To high to take any of the RB’s, but I’d love to grab A.J. Green, assuming he grades out how he should. Or draft a DE.
DE and OL seem easier, to me, to fill during FA if we wanted. That is why I’d like to go with Luck or Green.

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