Chad Ochocinco Airing Frustrations On TOcho Show
by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 3, 2010 9:59 AM EDT
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With Cincinnati starting their "talent" rich season at 2-5 in 2010, there will undoubtedly be grumblings. I highly doubt we'll see the explosion that many had hoped, already watching their freshly popped popcorn turn into cold soft puffy things (much like stale Cheetos), but there will be hints. During Tuesday's TOcho show, Chad Ochocinco aired a little frustration that has some believing that he is throwing Carson Palmer under the bus.
“I keep trying to explain to T and a lot of people out there. They always say ‘before you were the Ochocinco/Johnson that guy was different, he was hungry, like he didn’t care he celebrated.’ The funny thing about it is, I was in a comfort zone to where I was able to go out on a limb because I know there wasn’t a doubt in my mind that I would go out there and perform and have the opportunity to make those plays.”
When Owens said that he wanted to see the old Chad back, Ochocinco said: “What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do? I’m out there. I’m on the field. What do you want me to do? I’m on the field, I’m available, I’m wear number 85, I’m out there, I’M OUT THERE. I’m going to leave it at that. There’s nothing I can do but make myself available. Period.”
Chad is on pace for nearly 90 receptions and 1,047 yards receiving. However, Chad has only had two games in which he's caught more than four passes and only three times has he recorded more than 50 yards in a game.
Mike Florio, the always reasonably patience head at PFT that never assumes anything before the facts are in (never!), writes:
It's obvious what he's getting at -- primarily since everyone else sees it. Carson Palmer isn't the same guy he used to be. And the only thing that makes him a franchise quarterback at this point is his contract, which likely won't be honored in 2011.
While it's entirely reasonable to suspect Palmer in his diatribe, I doubt very much Chad is indirectly throwing any player under the bus. In fact, if we are to point out a single person that Chad could be referring to, look no further than Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski. And there's reason for it.
In September, Cedric Benson complained that the offense lacks an identity, which appears as a direct shot against Bratkowski especially considering the Bengals hardly use Benson in third and short situations. Terrell Owens complained in October that the Bengals are not hearing him with his vast experience and knowledge; again, it appears like a shot at Bratkowski, if not Marvin Lewis.
With Chad airing out his frustration, you have to wonder how much longer the Bengals are willing to allow Chad and Terrell Owens an open forum to air the team's troubles.
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john thorton posted an image from last sunday's game
which says a lot
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
What does it say, exactly?
I believe that this was after the interception. Season officially over. His fault for throwing a pick. What the #$%# do you want him to do?
He was putting a ton of effort into that last drive, and it failed. If everyone else on the offense had put in the effort he did, maybe they at least tie it up. We won’t know b/c we’ve got a team full of quitters on our hands, which pizzes me off more than anything.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
Agree
Palmer had summoned a last ditch effort to save the season and it had fallen short. Short, on a guy he wanted to bring in. Who didn’t draw the pass interference and half assed a route to lead to an interception.
Palmer will not be the 05 guy but he is capable of winning and being a good qb. What our moron oc needs to realize is that you have a great back with ced and Scott. Palmer doesn’t have to throw deep every set of downs , he just needs to keep defenses honest. And he can do that.
We need to resign Ced. Maybe Dungy would take over. Ina role of gm/coach. That would probably get management to resign key guys and get this franchise back on track. But really I think Marvin will be back no matter how bad a season bengals have.
by Cal581x on Nov 3, 2010 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can hate on TO but he has had some very explosive plays that we havent seen since Slim was lost
He does have some key drops, but he does have huge plays that make up for those drops
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
if we were given the choice in 2011 to have only TO or Chad
and the other had to leave, I’d pick TO.
(and i feel like a total scumbag for saying that)
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I agree, I would rather have TO back as well
I still love the Ocho, and glad he is showing his frustrations. I hope we bring him back next season but I doubt we wont
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You say we need to re-sign Ced
Im almost 99% sure that Benson wont be back next season, only if he is 100% sure that the coaches will be different and even then I doubt it. He has already said he has giving up pretty much, by saying he has taken all of his emotion out of this season. A prime example was him laughing after the loss the Miami
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yah I suppose
That’s right. But I just know that he’s the type if big back that we need and with all the changes and losing probably associated with that we can hope for Mark Ingram in 2012. Geez. What a sad state this franchise is in. When fans have to hope for losing seasons in order to get draft pics. Shits sake man.
by Cal581x on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know it
We really need to bring Benson back, we also need to use Scott more often than just two plays on the first drive. The offense was mixing it up so well with play action, and a mix of Benson and Scott they didnt know what was coming next and it worked wonders!! That comes back to Brat being sucky again and like I said during the open thread during the game it looked like Brat had only game planned for the first drive of the game and he plays the rest by ear.
Brat has to go, and I promise you mark my words that no other team will pick him up. If he is coaching in the future it wont be in the NFL
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And I think the only way Cedric Benson returns in 2011
is if Bratworst and Marvin the giggler are somewhere besides the sidelines of the Cincinnati Bengals
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
RE: Benson
where do you see him saying he’s giving up pretty much? I have been reading nothing but the complete opposite. the part about him checking out emotionally, was IMO more of him just saying he’s putting the lid on his mouth b/c i think he prolly got scolded for popping off. It’s one thing if Chad or TO shoots-off at the mouth, but when a quiet leader like Ced does it, thats when i could see this locker room divide, not b/c of Chad or TO. Ced’s more recent comments have been to the tune of, you want to see what kind of leader I am, i’ll be the first one in monday lifting and working hard, and i’ll continue to do that so when the team needs me, i’ll put them on my back (or something similar to that)…. i do agree w/you though, IMO 85% sure he’s gone after this year (OR, MB tries to re-sign him on the cheap b/c his production will be way down)
1) not one coach near him
2) not 1 player near him
3) he’s not even watching the game on the field
4) appears to feel less like the team leader and more like an individual alone in the image.
its all taken from one moment and out of context. it hardly defines his career here or carson palmer. however, it does say a ton about that moment in time.
and should raise a red flag or two about what some concerns. i’m starting to wonder if not just Bratt needs to pay for this season but Zampese too. expect the off season to bring the end of the chad show in cincy as well.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I agree it says alot. the whole team knows Palmer is a mere shadow of his former self
RIP the old Carson Palmer
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The players have hinted that Palmer needs to be more of a vocal leader
but like Ken Broo said, he is just not that kind of guy. We need a QB like Phillip Rivers that will get in a 300lb mans face if he doesn’t like whats going on. the only person I have ever seen Palmer get really mad at was Chad
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
We said before the season that Palmer has no excuse not to perform with all the weapons he now has
I dont like florio but he is right, the only thing that makes him a “franchise QB” is the contract
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Chad, you also....
Quit on routes and drop passes. Shut up and worry about playing football. God, I can’t wait for this guy to get out of Cincinnati as I’m sure the feeling is mutual.
have doubts the bengals will exercise his 2011 option
and seeing the way chad is playing on the field as the season goes on, thinking he has doubts too
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
this team is a whole new team next year
Benson…Gone
Jon Jo…..Gone
TO……Gone
Ocho….gone
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Im sure other will be gone as well
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm going to be sore for a long time
when we let jo-jo go.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
its gonna happen...I hate it but somebody is going to give him huge money and it wont be Mike Brown
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy it may sound...
What if they bring back everybody. Say ok last year, this year, was bad but we just needed a year under our belts. I think Chad sells to many jerseys to be let go. I hope and wish for ced to come back. Maybe a new oc this offseason can rejuvenate the team. I’m telling you Dungy kinda likes rebuilding projects.
Bring back ced. Pay the man.
by Cal581x on Nov 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want them to bring back all these guys, I just dont see it happening
Dungy wont ever come here, he probably wont ever coach again ever. Especially after the bad words he had about the Bengals Sunday night, I think his exact words was “They beat the Bengals, that aint saying much and it never has been” something close to that. I’m still in favor of having a Hard Nosed Zimmer come in and run the team because the team loves that guy and they feed off his energy.
The defense actually played very well last week given that 3/4 of the secondary was inactive due to injury, holding them to nothing but field goals in the first half and only one touchdown. I mean after six straight 3 and outs you cant expect the defense to continue to stop a team when you have to be back on the field after only 3 plays 6 times in a row.
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
one main difference in Zimmer and Marvin
is that the players actually like Zimmer, I swear if we was to go on and win some big games this year it would be Zimmer that gets the Gatorade bath not Marvin
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut up and catch the ball!
I’m tired of Abbott and Castello complaining about everybody during the week and then going out and under perform on Sundays. Everybody feeds their egos with talk of being great receivers and future HOF’s and compairing them to the likes of Jerry Rice. The lack of concentration and just going thru the motions is unreal. Their attitude of its everybody else but me should be insulting to the team. Blame Palmer all you want, but how many simple passes are dropped by these two every game. When you stop trying to be the best in the game and think you are the best you become complacent. The one bright spot is seeing Benson still have some fire in his eye and looking to hurt somebody when his number is called.
More blame goes to Palmer this season than Ocho and TO
they both have had key drops but, they have had huge plays to make up for those as well. Palmer makes terrible choices in game deciding situations. Boomer Esiason said it best (I cant believe I actually agree with him on something) you judge a QB by how they perform in the clutch, a Great QB makes the players around him better, Palmer just don’t do that anymore. I hate it, but you know Palmer is on the down side of his career there is no denying it now
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you
However, if Palmer beats Pittsburgh next week, will you jump ship and say that Palmer has revitalized his career?
I’m sure a lot of people, including these editors on this blog, will take that stance.
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
no sir I will not jump ship
I want him to come out and beat Pitt, I want him to lead this team to a exciting winning streak and playoff run. I’m just sad that Palmer has lost it, he lost the confidence of all the players, and when that happens you know it is not just the fans making stuff up
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
said it before will undoubtly say it again and again
a qb is only as good as the system that supports him.
in cincy, we have a front office that fails so often, when someone does something right in the front office they have to threatened with a verbal or written warning.
we have a coaching staff that appears to have quit on the players in 2010.
which leaves us with some of the players on the field quitting.
here sits palmer, not the second coming of john elway, but a decent qb, caught in a system that is failing him from 3 sides. and he’s trying too hard to make up for at times which makes him fail on the field and doubt his abilities. he’s losing confidence in himself.
its a mess of epic proportions. like a perfect meetings of everything that could go wrong at a location that is unprepared for anything to go wrong.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I agree on the coaching staff
It is Marvin’s freaking job to have this team pumped up and ready to play and to believe in themselves that we are a good team. People were not picking us to go to the Super Bowl for no reason
Marvin has to go man, I’m not saying cut Palmer yet until we see him without Marv and Brat. But Marvin’s bad game management bit us in the ass once again last week, at the end of the half terrible game management let them get a FG, a stupid challenge on first and goal from like the one when I think it was Williams that scored (if it was 3rd or 4th down I can see challenging but not on first you were just delaying the inevitable) and also blowing a timeout early in the second half like we were not going to need them at the end of the game. I mean that is his only job on Sunday is to manage the game and have his players prepared to play and he cant do either one!!
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
There is something to be said about your point
You’re absolutely spot on about the “system support”. The best QBs in the league part of systems that other teams wish they were apart of, but I don’t think Cincy has ever showed a “lack of” support for Palmer.
Agreed, the coaching staff has a lot left to be desired. I believe Marvin has run his course in Cincy and is just “coasting” through this season. And I think that has a lot to do with Mike Brown. But as I said, at the end of the day players such as Palmer have to be accountable for their play on the field.
Palmer was never a leader to begin with, during his days at USC he only took over the starting QB role during his senior season. I don’t think he has ever faced adversity. Thus, he has caved under the Cincy spotlights.
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i think the front office shows it routinely takes palmer for granted
1) the small scouting dept
2) the lack of high draft picks on the o-line
3) the unwillingness to retain anyone on the o-line that becomes established, expensive, or old.
4) the 3rd rate medical staff
5) the bargin basement offensive coordinator
I could probably list another 5-15 things that the front office has screwed palmer on since he’s been here, if i spent time thinking about.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
100% correct here
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your right
don’t think he has ever faced adversity. Thus, he has caved under the Cincy spotlights.
He has never faced this, and like through the eyes of a lot of fans and a lot of people on the site no matter what he does he is still the golden boy. He can do no wrong because he is the best qb we have had in 20 years. but now I think he may be feeling the pressure of knowledgeable football fans and his own teammates that he is really folding under the pressure.
I hope the switch finally get flipped in his head this Monday night that he can figure it out.
He needs to know when not to take a sack too and not go down so freaking easy. If somebody brushes up against him he curls up and falls down even when he doesn’t need to, you figure after 8 seasons in the NFL he would learn that 6th sense when to feel pressure and escape the pocket and when it is time to actually protect the ball and go down.
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying
but I don’t think the overall mindset of the site is that ‘he can do no wrong’. I think a vast majority understand his skills have diminished and he is NOT going to go all Peyton Manning every week to win games ( though most fans still hold out hope that he might some day)
As for facing adversity, he has faced more in 8 years than most of the top QBs combined. #1 overall pick for a franchise that was horrible for at the time 12 straight years, blowing out the knee after leading them to the playoffs, Eric Ghiacuc as his center, the elbow injury, playing for Mike Brown and dealing with outspoken characters.
I’m disappointed his play has dropped off. I’m not happy that some weeks the offense looks horrible. As QB, it comes to him. That’s the nature of the business.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Nov 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just point out a small minority
it really isn’t a lot of people on here just a select few, it was a bad choice of words sorry.
But i’m with you, i’m holding out hope for this season, but I do think we need to draft a qb to prepare for life after Palmer
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer was a 4 year starter at USC
he took over the starting job during his freshman season and the only playing time he missed there was due to injury. He was also the ballyhooed QB recruit of the year coming out of HS and he went to USC, which is a big named school, so there was pressure on him from day one. From a college standpoint, what he dealt with to start his time there there was actually about as similar as you can get to being a #1 overall draft pick to a downtrodden franchise.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Nov 3, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad
with the faulty information about USC. Still doesn’t change my view about him facing adversity. I didn’t know going to USC and being a prized recruit was a tough time.
As far as injuries are concerned, ACL repairs have become routine! It’s not an injury you can’t overcome.
He doesn’t get a pass for the elbow. Because he didn’t elect for tommy john and Carson, himself, claimed it to be a non-issue.
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
RE: Elbow
theres an interesting piece on WhodeyRevolution.com about Carson’s elbow. Apparently every single doctor but 1 who looked at his elbow said he needed surgury to properly fix/heal the elbow…..i’m wondering who that 1 doctor was who said rest and excersise will fix it???
understandable
What qualifies as adversity for you? Even though the elbow is a non issue now, he did miss 9 games in ‘08 only to bounce back and lead a team to the division title, improving from 4-11-1 to 10-6. I’m not saying i give Carson a free pass for anything, but the guy continually has to deal with something outside of “it’s another NFL season” and pretty much has had to since being drafted.
The college reference was intended to point out that he has had the spotlight and high exceptions before. Obviously, NCAA ball and USC is not the NFL.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Nov 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go again
Carson apologists versus Carson haters!
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
Where are the Carson Haters at?
Like I said many many many many many many many times before, I love Carson and want him to do well, but man there is only so much you can take
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Carson hater
But I have no choice but to love him because he’s all we have.
As I’ve posted numerous times before, Carson hasn’t lived up to his expectations in Cincy. And I shouldn’t have to lower my standards for a player with his pedigree.
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just really shocked that this team is this bad
I think we have a war between all of the offensive players vs Brat, and then a war between the two diva receivers vs Palmer, This season is just making me sick to my stomach, literally
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it shocking?
TJ and Chad did the same thing before TJ left.
This is a chicken and egg dilemma. Is it Palmer or Brat? No one really knows for sure. If I were to choose, I would have to say Brat has to go first. But at the end of the day, Palmer runs the plays.
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
a prime example of bad play calling
the 3 straight plays we went deep passes where the WR’s had to look up into the son, IDK if it was the no huddle where Palmer called them or if it was Brat, but somebody has to know that sun was a factor, and what NFL team goes deep on 3 straight plays looking up into the sun?
I do think that Palmer will play better without Brat (the whole offense will be better) but how many dropped INT’s has Palmer had this season? one turned into a TO touchdown. Palmer should have about 20 picks already if it wasn’t for straight up dropped balls thrown right to CB’s
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should ask Chad and TO if the balls are hard to catch
because they keep dropping them 2 lol
by Throw the ball on Nov 3, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"Carson hasn’t lived up to his expectations in Cincy"
But is that his fault, or our fault for giving him too big of expectations?
Managing Editor at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Josh Kirkendall on Nov 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
“Our fault for giving him too big of expectations?”
Are you saying we should blame ourselves for Carson’s inability?
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
it's an unrealistic expectation for people to pin the hopes and failures of a franchise
on one player but fans often do.
palmer is suffering with the same systematic failure of the front office as the average fan. yet its palmer that gets to face the fans expectations on the field every week.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I'm not pinning the hopes and failures on Carson
But fans/teams/analysts/sportswriters/people have certain standards / expectations of 100 million dollar QBs. I don’t care how you spin it, QBs of Carson’s caliber shouldn’t be under-performing year when they are making top tier money and are 1 round picks.
by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
answer to your question Josh
- overall = huge expectations
$100= million dollar contract = huge expectations
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ok that came out weird
number 1 overall pick = Huge expectations
$100 million dollar contract = even bigger expectations
If he didn’t want the expectations to be so high, he shouldn’t have signed on that dotted line
Thats better :)
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
RE
remember though, at the time he signed that contract , he was worth every penny and we all thought "praise the lord, we have a franchise savior QB for xx amount of years….he didn’t know , nor did we as fans, that this sort of average play would be his future….
agreed
and i dont think its too much to ask for him to be better than Josh Freeman or Ryan Fitzpatrick.
With the contract he signed, he should probably be on par with Roethlisberger. but the fact that Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, and Mark Sanchez all look better than #9 already is a bit concerning. Not to mention that Josh Freeman looks WAAAAAY better than Palmer right now. Those words really hurt to write down :(
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That's all fine and dandy but they didn't spend the money on the line to keep that $100mil arm safe
and now you have Carson “shell of his former self” Palmer limping out onto the field every sunday with the worst OC in the game. It’s a perfect storm.
by Throw the ball on Nov 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No Kidding
It doesn’t matter if Palmer was worth it or not at the time of signing the contract. The fact is MB did jack squat to protect his investment. We had a great O-line in 05, and he dismantled it. Spending $100 million on a QB and protecting him with Dennis Roland, Evan Mathis, Andre Smith, etc. speaks volumes. I don’t care if Carson is done or not. I want a great o-line and d-line! That’s how you build a franchise.
I don't really get the "Carson apologists" label.
I mean, I don’t think anyone really believes he’s a top 5 QB. Maybe borderline top 10, probably fairly easily in the top 15. The differenece is some like to blame his contract on him, and blame his teammates play on him. I don’t think that’s fair.
I mean, this clearly isn’t a Brett Favre-Minnesota situation where Palmer is holding anyone hostage and is the main reason why the team struggles. And this isn’t a situation like in Indy where Manning is able to make everyone else better. This is just an above average QB w/ an elite contract trying as hard as he can w/ a supporting cast that’s either lacking in talent or lacking in desire. It’s hard for me to blame him when everything else is so **#$)$ed.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
Dude.....im not sure he is even in the top 15. lets see.....
Peyton
brady
big ben
Flacco – yes its true
shaub
Matty ice
Freeman
stafford
bradford
eli manning
romo
vick or kolb
Rivers
Orton
aaron rodgers
drew brees
sanchez
Fitzpatrick (going solely off of QB rating and #’s) although I still take Palmer over Harvard boy
Cutler, Henne, Vince Young, Mcnabb are all borderline but you could make a case either way
Palmer in my book barely makes the top 20 right now. but I guess that is open to debate
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Who would have thought 2 months ago that this season would be pretty much over at Halloween
People thought Ocho and TO would be upset about not getting balls, but they just want to win, they are at the end of their careers and want to get over the hump. like many of us TO and Ocho knew if the Bengals were going to go to the Super Bowl it was going to be this season.
I say the season is pretty much over but I still have a glimmer of hope, if we somehow come out and beat the Steelers on Monday night we will be only 2 games behind the Steelers and have a 2-1 record in the AFC North with 3 more division games to go.
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agreed... but
I sold my MNF tickets to a friend. I can’t take the pain of driving an hour, spending $20+ on parking, food, and drinks just to watch a catastrophe in the making. I’ll watch from my living room eating a steak! WHO DEY!!!
I just have to mention the predictable play-calling I noticed last week
one play that stood out to me was I think a 3rd and 5 or 3rd and 4 that Brian Leonard was in the game, I wonder how many defensive players knew that the shuffle pass was coming?
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bratt has passed homer rice for me
as my most hated bengals coach of all time.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I mean I was sitting there thinking.....
here come the shuffle pass. I love Leonard, I really do, but you cant just run the same plays over and over and over. I swear that Brat has only like 20-25 plays in that playbook. He actually think that damn end around is a sneaky play (which 9 times out of 10 never works). I’m really just sick of that dude, i mean even the regular 12 year old kid that plays madden knows you cant call the same plays over and over and telegraph your plays without somebody noticing what’s going on. I’m pretty sure these opposing defenses watch film on us the week leading up to the game. You never see creative plays from this guy.
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by TennBengalfan on Nov 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
and he “simplified” that already limited playbook- think how much easier that make opposing D-coordinators and defensive players jobs….. for example- “ok, Bengals are running the no-huddle now” = same 3 wide formation typically w/1 back and 1 TE….which turns into 1 basic package the defense can expect to be in- then it comes down to who makes adjustments better, and we all know who wins that battle…
Sorry for my bad grammar today folks, im kinda feeling bad
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This is what I read from Chad's comments:
It’s much more Brat than Palmer.
We’ve heard receivers moan and complain about their quarterbacks before, and this is not what they sound like. The one word they always use (especially TO, but I’m guessing Chad would too) is “open.” Chad didn’t say he was “open.” He said he’s out there. He’s available. That tells me he’s frustrated with how he’s being utilized, not with the quarterback not seeing him. He wouldn’t be overt in frustration against Palmer, but he also wouldn’t use the wording he’s using here.
This sounds to me like an offensive strategy problem, an issue with how things are being run. Given what we’ve heard from TO and Ced, and now Ocho, everyone is on the same page except the guy in charge, Bob Bratkowski.
It's time to sink or Zim.
by Pardon_My_French on Nov 3, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
anybody notice...
That chad posts on his twitter account how he now studies film with marvin instead of brat? Perhaps he is fed up with brat as is t.o. and ced and probably palmer. There needs to be a change made now and its up to mike brown to decide. I say fire “bratsuckski” as vman in germany would say
by cabech984 on Nov 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, he switched up before the ATL game, used to always do it w/ Brat.
How will Chris Carpenter explain this to his children?
At this point anything Chad or T.O. have to say is completely irrevalant.
The rest of team has imploded in almost every unit except the WR Corps.
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