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Question Of The Day: Is It Time For The Bengals And Chad Ochocinco To Move On?

Throughout the years, I've been an avid supporter of Chad Ochocinco when the world was cursing him for being the most flamboyant and boisterous wide receiver in the NFL. He produced. And you can forgive such antics when someone is producing. His celebrations cracked me up, amid the hysteria that the team just scored a touchdown. His production warranted give and take from the fans and media to let him have fun while hauling in 70-yard touchdown receptions. Between 2005 and 2006, Chad caught 32 passes of 20 yards or more and 15 passes of 40 yards or more. Between 2003 and 2007, Chad's 35 receiving touchdowns led the team and ranked amongst the league leaders. We even wrote a week ago the good times that we had together.

But as we saw on Monday night, summarizing Chad's role and production throughout the season, it's time for Chad Ochocinco and the Cincinnati Bengals to move on.

With 4:11 left in the third quarter, Chad Ochocinco was shutout. It's not like Cincinnati wasn't including him in the offense. He was targeted seven times in the game, dropped a critical third down pass just before a blocked punt and selfishly spiked the football just as he caught his first pass that was nullified due to a holding penalty.

Rather than contributing to the team's success in a modest way, without showing up his teammates, Ochocinco came across as an aging and bitter receiver with nothing left in Cincinnati, aside from a flourishing friendship with the team's best receiver in Terrell Owens. Carson Palmer completes a second down pass to Chad with 4:11 left in the third quarter, converting a first down. Either showing frustration, or charged up with the awesome first down conversion for the team to stay in the game, Chad spiked the football earning him a delay of game penalty. Thankfully for Chad, the penalty was declined after Andre Smith's holding, which eventually forced Cincinnati to punt.

Early in the fourth quarter during Cincinnati's awesome one-yard touchdown drive (thanks to the Pittsburgh Steelers' 35 yards in penalties), Carson Palmer attempted a pass over the middle to Chad Ochocinco. Chad stretched out his hands after the incompletion showing his frustration. We're not sure if he's frustrated because he's not good enough to rely on his talents like he used to, or if Palmer just plain threw terribly. It became such a problem that Chad was arguing with Palmer in the huddle, and Andrew Whitworth eventually stepped in and demanded Chad get into position. Chad was eventually benched for Andre Caldwell. Marvin Lewis was asked about it after the game.

“Yeah, he was upset, but we’ve got to play football. If he’s not going to get it done right, he’s got to come take an opportunity to freshen up his mind and get right back in the game. It was good that he got out of the game so he could concentrate and get his job done. When you’re playing that position, you can’t dictate when the ball comes to you. The coverage is going to dictate it, and the quarterback isn’t going to throw the ball in the coverage, and sometimes it’s frustrating.”

Chad would go on catch his first reception of the game with 44 seconds remaining in the game, picking up 15 yards to give Cincinnati a manageable third down with five yards to go. Palmer would throw an incomplete to Terrell Owens over the middle in the endzone and his fourth down pass was dropped by Jordan Shipley after a combined hit between James Harrison and Ike Taylor.

And it's not like this suddenly dawning on us. We've seen the eventual breakdown, dating back to his character suicide campaign several offseasons ago demanding a trade that few teams even entertained. His route running has noticeably decreased. Working eight years with the same quarterback in the same offensive system, you'd think that the timing and synchronization between quarterback and receiver would improve -- or at least remain the same -- rather than degrading over the past two years. Yes, he's double teamed a lot. But great, even just good, receivers beat double teams. Obviously this team has more areas to suggest that they should move on, and we'll examine those as the year continues. But nothing showcased this exhausted core of players than Chad's example on Monday Night.

Is it time for the Bengals to sever ties with Chad Ochocinco?

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shame on the people that voted yes

chad deserves to finish his career here. it won’t happen, but he deserves it.

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by palewook on Nov 9, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

why?

Seriously. I don’t want him gone, but I feel that the attitude has waned and that the regressions on his route running are making him neither field-effective or cost-effective.

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by supergrover on Nov 9, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

chad was in my opinion the cream of the crop when it came to WR. but something has changed. he looks like he doesn’t care anymore about the team just himself. it woould be nice to have him live out as a bengal but after the past few seasons i don’t think he wants to be here. let him go and he will still be one of the bengals all time WR

by BigJungle on Nov 9, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Hasta luego Ocho..

How can anyone defend this clown still? I really feel that Marvin wanted him gone long ago but Mikey wanted to keep him for his talent. He is a huge distraction and has lost two steps. not worth the headache. I’m sick of it.

by quickslant on Nov 9, 2010 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

why?

the 1st minute spelled out what was coming. we’ve died by self inflicted wounds in 6 of our 7 losses so far this season.

only thing i learned from last night, the steelers are over-rated in 2010. if we had came to play, we would have won. we didn’t and we got what we earned. we gave the game away and the steelers thanked us for our help, took the win, and went home.

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by palewook on Nov 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

god i've already mentally added next weeks game to the loss column

i meant 5 of our 6 losses… damn you freud.

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by palewook on Nov 9, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

musta been something she said

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by supergrover on Nov 9, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It may be difficult to re-sign him past 2011

…but I don’t see any reason not to pick up his option for next year. The Bengals really don’t have much behind him at WR and if we don’t pick up his option and lost TO, we have a real problem.

Chad wants to win—I would be a lot more annoyed with him he just “phoned it in” once the Bengals were down. Yes, he gets visibily frustrated and its fodder for the commentators, but I can’t argue with his frustration.

by goffchile on Nov 9, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Keep TO as the deep threat and move Shipley into the starting slot position

if we can’t pick up a decent reciever, then incorporate more of Grisham and possibly Chase Coffman into the offense. Get Briscoe back from TB’s practice squad. Focus on acquiring hard-headed and mentally sharp recievers with good hands and route running – like Shipley.

GET RID OF CHAD!!!!!

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by Blue Steel on Nov 9, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

RE:

I think Shipley already has the starting slot position. GrEsham has nothing to do with us having good wide receivers, he fulfills a different need. The only thing I agree with here is signing Briscoe to be Chad’s replacement. Chad needs to go, but not because he’s an egotistical clown, but because his performance has plummeted. He’s vivacious personality has been with him since he beginning.

by jimbasa on Nov 9, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Gresham

I’m so sick of him not being used to stretch the field over the middle….down the middle more specifically, not across the field. He had a few big drops last night which is weird for Gresh, but what do we have to do to get Brat to use him as the weapon he is?!?!? it’s a shame his talents are being ignored in a sense this year….hopefully our next OC knows how to use a freak TE

by TruWhoDey on Nov 9, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Gresham lines up in the backfield. TEs should not be used as a substitute fullback.

by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see more of Leanard in the backfield

if we aren’t going to get a true fullback, put him there. He is essentailly a triple threat – running, receiving, and blocking. And he does the latter two better than Benson and Scott.

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by Blue Steel on Nov 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone have a link to a film clip of the Whitworth-Chad confrontation???

Somehow, I managed to miss that. I hate watching Bengals games in bars!!!

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by Blue Steel on Nov 9, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

You shouldn't go to jail so often, then

and the blood soaked clown suit is so cliche.

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by supergrover on Nov 9, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

haha, I think you're being facetious, but I meant bars as in drinking places

not behind bars….

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by Blue Steel on Nov 9, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I was

:)

except for the clown suit thing. Seriously, it’s creepy.

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by supergrover on Nov 9, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

mad chad

 Everyone played with heart last night and I am proud of that. Everyone except Mad Chad. If he had his head out his ass we might have won this one. I think he was mad that T.O. got to do a TD dance and he didnt get his “opportunity”. He was a disgrace out there, first time EVER I do not want Chad on the team.

by Mike Asher on Nov 9, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Ugh caught between a rock and a hard place

I’m more of a Chad defender than a Palmer guy but last night Chad was terrible. While I do think he and the Bengals need to part ways, I don’t think people should turn a blind eye to Palmer. His play was borderline mediocre. His ability to convert a third down is abysmal. Jaws and Gruden were taking shots at him the whole night. His interception into double (I think it was triple coverage) was absolutely awful. To me that was worse than Chad’s play last night.

I’m not excusing Chad, but I think a lot of people are still giving Palmer a pass (including the editors the of Cincyjungle).

by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Yes the pick was bad and I agree carson has to get better but at least he showed up in the mid 3rd and 4th. Chad was a non factor all game and was selfish when he did get a look at the ball.

by BigJungle on Nov 9, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

The only thing palmer did wrong last night

was hold the ball too long on a few plays. Yea the interception was bad too but he had pressure in his face all game… actually all season

by whodey6 on Nov 9, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

he wasn't perfect

there were a couple passes that were better left not made, one being the interception… the punt made sense since nobody could open up. Pittsburgh earned the punt with great coverage on that play and Palmer gave them the interception instead.

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by supergrover on Nov 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually impressed with Palmer

He knows how to play the steelers, he knew what he was doing out there. He had a few off-throws but this game very easily could have went the other way. Chad though… he looked like he was about to lose it entirely. I think he’s starting to resent TO. TO’s a baller, I’d love him on our team.

by SteelersVT on Nov 9, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

TO Defends Chad, Implicates Bratkowski

check out this quote from TO following the game. If this isn’t a blatant attempt at calling out Bobby B, i don’t know what is. I’m loving me some TO

"We have to find some way to get 85 involved for this offense to come to fruition," Owens said. "I think that’s up to the offensive coaching staff. Chad is a great talent, and somehow we need to find a way to get him the ball early to mix it up and take advantage of his skills. We’ve just got to make him available. I’m doing what I can to take pressure off of him. When opportunities come outside one-on-one, we have to exploit that. Defensively, they try to take him out of the game."

by TruWhoDey on Nov 9, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

RE: Top WR's being doubled

Andre Johnson- still has his # called and produces at a high level each week, and they don’t have someone to draw the doubles off him.
Larry Fitz- same story.
Calvin Johnson- same story.

Could keep going, but my point is that as an OC, you have to find ways to get your playmakers involved early and often….something we aren’t capable of.

by TruWhoDey on Nov 9, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

i know

I’m just saying that there is some validity to his below avg season to this point. TO finally appears to be pointing the finger directly at Brat (and in a manner that isn’t “blowing up” etc). That’s what i’m most happy about, someone w/the balls to finally call out the evil mastermind who’s continuing to ruin this team. He’s basically saying you have to call his # early and get him involved. Nothing that all us fans don’t already know about Chad and getting him going early to keep his head in the game…i’m just happy that someones implicating Brat, that way hopefully the media will jump on it.

by TruWhoDey on Nov 9, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Simmons on the Bengals and Palmer
I have been hanging tough in the Las Vegas Hilton SuperContest: 23-16-1 overall and a respectable six games behind the leaders. The key to my season? The Bengals. I’m 4-0 picking against them because, apparently, I’m the only person outside of Cincinnati who realizes that Carson Palmer hasn’t been good in four years. My favorite thing about Palmer: His conventional statistics keep throwing everyone off his rancid scent — 1,855 yards (seventh overall), 12 TDs, seven picks, 83 QB rating. Not terrible, right?

So you have to dig a little … and that’s when you find out that he’s last in third-down passing (49 percent completion rate, 431 yards, 62 rating), or that defenders have dropped 215 possible Palmer interceptions (approximate), or that his receivers unofficially lead the league in walking off the field shaking their heads at one another (which, by the way, really should be a stat). If the Bengals were smart, they’d start pounding the ball with Cedric Benson and reducing Palmer’s effect on the game, but they aren’t, and that’s why I will keep picking against them. Just know this could be leading to one of the strangest football moments ever: fans chanting “WE WANT PALMER!” (for his brother) with Palmer in the game. That reminds me …

For those of you who watched the game, and felt Palmer did a good job. Shame on you, I really don’t want to be a Palmer basher, but his play on the field tells a different story. I am very disappointed this about this year. And I’m totally willing to give Palmer another chance, but at this point, we can’t just sit here and blame the coaches all the time. It comes down to the players.

On the last drive of the game, 3rd and 5, I understand taking a shot with TO. But you have two timeouts and the priority was to get the first down. Even if you pick up at least 2 yards, for 4th and 3, you’re closer to the getting the first down which would allow yourself for for another shot at the end zone. If Palmer can’t understand that, then I don’t know how people are going to sit there and talk about how Chad didn’t show up. When Palmer can’t understand the importance of picking up first downs in critical situations.

by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 9, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

RE: i'm sure Palmer had no idea how important that 1st down was

you’ve got to be kidding….Palmer (and TO) again was the only reason we had a chance to win that game. You can’t put the play call on Palmer OR say that drive was the only reason we lost the game….the first 10 gimme points and the 6 point swing before half time cost us this game. And that last ball to Shipley was catchable (probably shouldve been thrown earlier) but was still very catchable, 8 out of 10 times he makes that play (shipley that is). Not using the timeouts was remarkable game management by marvin and Brat too, shameful coaching again cost us this game.

by TruWhoDey on Nov 9, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I understand your point

I agree that I can’t put all the blame on Carson for this game. Absolutely, correct! But I don’t think Carson but Carson didn’t do anything to help us, WIN, the game. He was bailed out on certain penalties on the last drive, which made him look better than he actually played.

by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And shame on you

for defending a selfish baby like Chad. One catch, 15 yards. 3 TDs in 18 games against the Steelers. He’s overrated. Does anyone not remember that we got him in the 2nd round? WRs are easy to come by.

by Anthony Cosenza on Nov 9, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not defending Chad's play

Just remember, we also took Jerome Simpson in the second round!

If you look at Palmer and his throws, they aren’t on target. Peter King is right on the money (I hate to say it) that Palmer has become a Rick Ankiel.

by sgiridharan1982 on Nov 9, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Palmer should have went for the first down...

I agree with you on this point. I was wondering why he went for the endzone on 3rd down, but everyone knows about the awful playcalling. When you have Chad crying like a little girl, yes he’s an NFL player, why would Carson throw the ball to him? It’ll never be good enough for Ocho and him whining in Carson’s ear has got to get old. Interestingly, look at Carson and TO’s chemistry. This is their 1st Season together, and they practiced in the offseason. Maybe if Chad wasn’t dancing with the stars and actually practiced with Carson in the offseason, then his production might be better.

Palmer did have some bad throws, but if Bernard Scott didn’t fumble and Nugent makes those field goals, then the Bengals win 20-17. Carson and TO would have been the heroes.

by DonMegga on Nov 9, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Chad needs to go

Most overrated player in the NFL. He’s had 3 TDs in 18 games against the Steelers—putrid. He never shows up big in big games. He’ll dominate the Browns and the occasional NFC team, but that’s it. He hasn’t been good since 2007 and he’s a locker room cancer, period.

by Anthony Cosenza on Nov 9, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

+1

One has to suspect what his effect is on the locker room. If Whit’s had enough, I’m sure he’s not the only one.

by DonMegga on Nov 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Got a feeling

Marvin knows he’s gone and is just going through the motions. Look at his post game interviews. He so dead pan with little if any emotion. I would be mad as hell and definately show my anger like Singletary, Ditka, Darrel Green, Herm Edwards, etc. The team picks up on his mono tone vocal expression and especially his body language. We’re being led by a bunch of pussies. There are times to be cool and collected but sometimes you just need to go off. He gone….bye bye Marvin. Oh and take Brad with you.

by sofakingood on Nov 9, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

As bad as it was last night

The answer is NO, cant get rid of him. He got all the double teams while TO ran wild. If Ocho is gone TO will get double teamed and who will step up on the other side? Jerome Simpson? Negative. The only way I would let him go is him we get a Julio Jones or that Green Kid out of Georgia

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by TennBengalfan on Nov 9, 2010 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Many will be gone

I think a number of current Bengals will be gone after this season.
I believe Marvin Lewis will definitely be gone,
I think there will also be a new Offensive Coordinator finally
T.O. will be gone,
Ocho; gone.
Jerome Simpson – was he ever really here?
and I really think that Carson Palmer will be gone too.

I think there will be a bit of cost savings in these decisions, but also a want to move the team in a new direction. I really do see a whole-sale cleansing of this team. One of the reasons I think this will happen is I believe Katie Blackburn will be taking more of these decisions on. Part of me believes this off-season will tell us a lot about how much Katie is taking over the reigns from her father. If there are a lot of changes she has more control, if things stay the same it is because Mike has not released his death grip on the franchise.

by DCBengalFan on Nov 9, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

I think the biggest guy that will probably go is Jon Jo

be sad to see him go

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by TennBengalfan on Nov 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

NOOOO!!!!!!!!

they fucking better not let him go

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by Blue Steel on Nov 9, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope your right!

I really hope MB relinquishes control to his daughter. It’s not like she’ll do worse than him. I don’t know about totally cleaning house; we have some good pieces in place.

by DonMegga on Nov 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like the movie 'the replacements' you gotta have heart to win the game

Chad absolutely has no heart anymore. He doesn’t care about football, helping his team win, or just being a decent human being on the field. He was crying like a little baby out there because he can’t get open. Palmer doesn’t even look his way anymore, and I can’t say that I blame him, if you know the guy is basically a decoy for TO then what’s the use? There have already been a few good points made about beating double teams, you just have to do it and Chad can’t. You can’t tell me that every team we’ve played so far has such a good secondary that this guy can’t get open an average of 5 to 8 times a game and at least produce game in and game out? TO is beating the same double coverage that Chad can’t and TO is drawing the other teams #1 guy now more than Chad. The fact is he isn’t the same player from even two years ago, but everyone is still holding onto some hope that he returns to old form. The Chargers had to finally face reality with LT and release him because he’s not the same player. It’s time the Bengals did the same with Chad.

He doesn’t need to be kept just to draw double teams either. I best most people (myself included) couldn’t name the #2 of the Patriots the last 3 to 4 years (and it’s not Welker lining up on the outside opposite Moss). The Bengals could run the same deal, one deep threat with Shipley and Gresham underneath, The only way for this team to get better is to realize they are in transition and move on by ridding the team of the old guard such as Chad and Marvin.

by TheCinWin on Nov 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

I used to love him but now I'm ready for him to be gone.

Now he’s being a bitch, he’s expensive AND he blows. No reason to keep him at all.

Win a ring without the king! Cavs=2011 champs?

by sexsalad on Nov 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

On Sports Nation...

55% of the poll said they didn’t want Ochocinco on his or her respective team lol.

by DonMegga on Nov 9, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

See ya Chad...

Sign T.O.; give the man his money (although this won’t happen). After the way he acted on the field last night, he should be gone today. His behavior was an absolute embarrassment. Any coach that had a pair would have made him ride the bench for the rest of the game and have him on the first flight out of town in the morning. Pull that kind of crap with a coach like Bill Belichick and see what happens. At least Whitworth was man enough to tell him how it was. I am done with him.

MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!

by D-Day77 on Nov 10, 2010 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

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