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Bengals Haven't Even Approached Carson Palmer About Taking A Pay-Cut

Carson Palmer is making over $10 million this year, as he's more than happy to show you during his audible.

During Sunday's 19-17 win over the Cleveland Browns, Carson Palmer failed to throw a touchdown pass in a game for the first time since Cincinnati's September 19 win over the Baltimore Ravens. If you dig charts, graphs and Geico commercials, you can make the uneasy, though completely oversimplified conclusion, that when Carson Palmer doesn't throw a touchdown pass, the Cincinnati Bengals are an undefeated 2-0. Since we're on over-simplified trends, know that when the Bengals play on the 19th day of any month, the Bengals have won two straight. Palmer also only completed three of eight third down passes for 37 yards passing. The Palmer-is-Satan-and-Andrew-Luck-Is-Jesus crowd starts chanting with their pitchforks and southern drawl, stringing up other Bengals fans for disagreeing with an assessment that's all too obviously clear.

Alternatively, the three passes Palmer did complete on third down, extended drives that eventually scored 13 points. It was also only the fifth time this year that Palmer didn't throw an interception. As we said Sunday, the Bengals passing offense didn't win the game on Sunday. But it didn't lose the game either; a perfect balance of what's expected out of this ariel assault. It's clear. In seven of the Bengals previous ten games, Palmer has been sacked at least three times. The offensive line kept Palmer's jersey clean against the Browns, and he had time to look at receivers not named Terrell Owens.

Some will use Sunday's game as an example that Palmer still has it and he's still a winning quarterback. Others will say that one win with 209 yards passing, a 60.9% completion rate and no touchdowns hardly removes mounting evidence that Palmer's Cincinnati career should come to an end. Personally, I'm thrilled that the Bengals won, but I'm still in the latter bandwagon, riding my horsy of disenfranchised fan watching our franchise quarterback slowly checking out of the city that we so very much love.

Either way, it's up in the air as to what will happen with Palmer next season. I mean, completely. If Palmer stays, the Bengals won't use their top-five pick to draft a quarterback. There's no scenario that we can see with Mike Brown paying Palmer $11.5 million in 2011 and a rookie quarterback upwards to $50 million in guaranteed money, all in the same year. The happy storybook ending has Palmer mentoring a young up-and-coming quarterback for the rigors of being a starting quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals. The reality is, it's either Palmer's salary or a rookie's salary, provided that rookie is drafted in the top-five. The team would more likely sign Donovan McNabb, get rid of Palmer and have McNabb groom a rookie quarterback. Even then, questions are abound at the quality of teacher that McNabb could be. Just because he's older, doesn't instantly mean he's Professor Quarterback. Neither does the same apply to Palmer, for that matter.

Will the Bengals put him on the trade market and see what they can get? Or will they bumble it, put Palmer on the trade market and then say behind the scenes -- we're going to release him anyway, so please, give us your draft picks, take his salary and let's make a deal!

Either way, what's not going to happen is Palmer taking a paycut. Yes, yes. That much you know. For those of you that may have missed it, on Saturday, ESPN's AFC North blogger James Walker, wrote that Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer had no intention on taking a pay-cut for another rebuilding season in Cincinnati. At the time, Walker wrote:

A source with knowledge of the situation tells ESPN.com's AFC North blog that it's highly unlikely Palmer would accept a pay cut this offseason to remain with the rebuilding Bengals (2-11). Palmer is projected to be one of the NFL's highest-paid players in 2011 with a base salary of $11.5 million, and this could be the first step to a potential parting between the two-time Pro Bowl quarterback and the team which drafted him No. 1 overall in 2003.

What you'll be fascinated to learn is that Palmer hasn't even been approached about taking a paycut, nor does it appear to be in the team's agenda, according to Mothership writer Geoff Hobson.

The Bengals have not only not approached him about a pay cut for next season, but all indications are a pay cut isn't even on their agenda. So an ESPN.com story saying he wouldn’t take a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati looks to be moot.

Moot. What a funny looking name. Moot. Hey, Bob. You're moot. Regardless, this turns into a non-issue (again, non-issue and James Walker go hand-in-hand like corny Neil McCoy songs) and the real juicy offseason gossip will be kicking off within a few weeks when the offseason kicks off.

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Palmer will probably be here next year.

It will be refreshing to see him with a new coaching staff. If he sucks then he needs to be gone plain and simple.

by Throw the ball on Dec 20, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

What I saw from Palmer...

Was a quarterback that still has every single physical skill needed to play in the NFL, but has lost or never really had the decision-making ability to make him elite or even worthy of being called a franchise player. Basically, against any even slightly better secondary Carson would have had a MUCH worse game and against a more experienced QB we would have lost.

The bad decision making that has led to all his interceptions was still right there. It didn’t show up in INT’s or defensive points, but it did show up in offensive points left on the field. How many times were receivers WIDE open while Carson decided to try to force a ball into double coverage? I can think of at least 3 times this was the case with Shipley, 2 of which cost us touchdowns. That’s 8 points right there. Simply put, Carson gets the play on his headset, calls a number, and that’s who the ball is going to NO MATTER WHAT. He doesn’t even pretend to not lock onto receivers anymore. You can’t do that in a division full of Troy Polamalu’s and Ed Reed’s. You can’t do that anywhere.

And he’s only getting worse. That I attribute to his attitude, which at this point is that he doesn’t care about helping this team win anymore. I can’t blame him. He knows he’ll have a shot to start somewhere else next year no matter how he plays these last few weeks.

by eric nyc on Dec 20, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

My guess is Walker’s source was Palmer’s agent answering a speculative question. Since most teams don’t deal with contract issues (especially asking a player to take a pay cut) during the season, I don’t think any of this will gain steam until the new year (if it actually happens).

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Dec 20, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Of course they haven't approached him.

The situation is as uncertain as anything.

First, we need to see how Palmer plays the last two games of the season. Second, we don’t know what draft pick will be getting in the 1st round. That is key, for if we get the 1st pick, we’d be almost obligated to take Luck, which will likely mean that Palmer leaves.

Second, we’ll need to see if there is a coaching change. If there is, the new coach needs to see with which QB he wants to go.

Third, if the new coach decides and convinces Mike Brown to part ways with Palmer and get a new QB, and say we don’t get the 1st pick in the draft, then they’ll probably wait till after the draft to not give away what we’ll pick in the 1st round. If we don’t get the 1st pick and we get rid of Palmer before the draft, other teams might jump in front of us to take Mallet, Locker, or Newton. So Palmer needs to be let go (assuming we can’t trade him) after the draft.

There are a lot of uncertainties in this situation which will likely be resolved until after the draft.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Dec 20, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

pay cut very unlikely

Has there ever been any indication that a pay cut is likely beyond the purely speculative opinions of fans and perhaps the occasional blogger?

A put is really unlikely due to the way contracts in the NFL work. If they don’t want to pay him they only real options are trade or cut.

by goffchile on Dec 20, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Called it.

Thanks for stirring the pot, Walker.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Dec 20, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Yesterdays victory was right along with the 2009 formula

Blocking fullback to help Ced and give Carson extra protection. It be too simple but it explains a lot for me. No, Carson didn’t have an allstar game and did force a couple of throws but no picks and a win is all you can ask for right now. Carson will be back.

"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski

by featherman on Dec 20, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Hang On

I really think what happens with San Diego and Baltimore will really cement Carson’s future for better or worse. Neither one of those teams’ defenses are going to let Ced have big days, so it’s going to be up to Carson and an aerial show (or disaster) again.

Poor Shipley. Poor any receiver under 6’1 who plays with Carson. How can a 6’5 QB be so bad at spotting smaller guys?

by Israeli on Dec 20, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

I never understood the point of setting up long-term contracts

when nothing in the NFL is guarenteed. The only benefits I see are signing bonus/upfront money (for the player) or being able to prevent the player from leaving (for the team) – except, he can always turn around and demand more money (i.e. Revis).

Am I missing something or are these the only two reasons why such long contracts are negotiated?

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by Blue Steel on Dec 20, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

The system works mostly the advantage of ownership

Football is a feast or famine sport with short career lengths. Is it better to constantly be renegotiating with players year after year? Or lock them into a backloaded incentive laden contract that you can terminate at anytime? Given the short career length of the average football player, it is actually better for the ownership to lock players in. On the players side, it does give some stability with the signing bonus, but a lot of players regret their contract as they watch younger players get signed for more.

Occasionally, exceptional players can successfully holdout during a contract, but that is a rarity.

by goffchile on Dec 20, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Salary

$10 million a year and Carson seemingly can’t afford a razor. Or maybe he is not going to shave again until the Bengals make the Superbowl, in which case his beard will be tangling with his feet!

by english bengal on Dec 20, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

all he needs is an axe and a flannel tee

"In Zim We Trust"-TennBengalfan
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 20, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Something's going to get cut this off-season

And it’ll be more than Palmer’s beard: his salary or him.

by wiseking on Dec 20, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Just so you know..

The CBA that allows rookies to collect 50 million dollar contracts will expire in March. A rookie wage scale of sorts is the only thing the NFLPA and NFL agree upon 100%. The 2011 draft class will be the first to be signed under the new CBA, and Bradford and Suh are the last of the 50mil club.

by Cry on Dec 20, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

When the two sides are struggling to find common ground, you can rest assured that the veterans that run the NFLPA will easily concede that the money belongs to the vets, not players that haven’t played a down in the NFL.

by Cry on Dec 20, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Suddenly trading back just became that much more possible.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Dec 20, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Palmer=Moot

:)

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"You don't live in Cleveland, You live in Cincinnati"-Sam Wyche

by TennBengalfan on Dec 20, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

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