Evaluating Draft Needs - Offense
by The Dealio on Dec 29, 2010 12:34 PM EST
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PrintAll I want for Christmas is for Andrew Luck to be a Bengal! But if that doesn't happen, this team has a lot of other needs on its Christmas wish list, and there are a lot of ways this team can turn around.
With all the extra free time I have during Christmas break, I thought I'd break down the Bengals draft needs for this year. Hopefully, Santa's not overworked and overburdened ala Family Guy's portrayal in their disturbing Christmas Special (The elves hung themselves... really Family Guy?).
QB - Whats our situation? Palmer is having the tale of two seasons. On the one hand, He is arguably having his worst year as a pro and the heat is really coming down on him. Is it his line? Is it his mental game? Is it the lack of a running game (which could be attributed back to the line)?
Maybe the playcalling? Is he hurt? Who knows. What we do know is that if Palmer keeps playing subpar ball we'll need a new QB sooner rather than later. Our back ups, LeFevour and Palmer lite... probably aren't the answer. On the other hand, Carson has looked damn sharp the last couple games sans T.Ocho.
Who's there? This is a QB heavy draft and unlike last year it looks like there will be quite a few QBs taken in rounds 1 and 2. Stating the obvious, Andrew Luck is going to be the number 1 pick. But Jake Locker, Cam Newton, & Ryan Mallet could all go in the first Round, or one or more of these guys could slip down to rounds two and three.
How important is it that we address QB in this draft? 7/10 - I'm still a believer that Palmer can turn things around. Even so, it's time to start hedging our bets by making it a high priority to draft a QB in the next year or two. That means drafting a guy in rounds 1-3 sometime in the near future.
How likely is it that we will address QB in this draft? 2/10 - The only way this team will address a QB early is if they cut or trade Palmer. Despite the fact that Palmer still has high trade-ability (Hell, if Jason Campbell was worth a 4th rounder, Palmer has got to be worth at least a 2nd or 3rd) to teams like Oak, Sea, Ari, SF, Min, Ten, & Was, Mike Brown just doesn't have the stones or the vision to make this happen. It's way more likely that Brown will stick by Palmer and continue upgrading the pieces around him through the draft.
Suggestion: Only Draft a QB if his last name is Luck. Drafting a QB is such a crap shoot that he's the only guy I'd be sold on. I don't know that I'd bother with the other guys unless they fell to the third, which isn't likely to happen. This team needs to be built on defense and the run game.
O - Line - Whats our situation? We have three undrafted lineman starting for us in Cook, Roland, and Livings. While they've done a good job, they are certainly not elite. Whit is a great player and on other teams he would be a pro bowler (might be anyway). Flabs has shown flashes, but has had foot injuries and anyone who follows Yao Mings career knows the might not go away. The running game has looked weak this year (3.7 ypc), though the pass protection has been OK allowing only 28 sacks this season (14th in the league). Not bad considering how many times we're in obvious passing situations. This crew could use a shot in the arm of athleticism (or steroids, whichever is more convenient). Plus, Bobby Williams is getting old and it would be wise to draft his eventual replacement.
Who's there? This years draft class looks like one of the weakest in years. According to Walter Football, there are no tackles projected in the top 10, and none that are a lock for the first round. However, the prospect of moving a tackle who slips out of the first round to guard (ala what we did with Whitworth) is certainly a possibility and adds insurance if Andre Smith proves to be a bust. Top Tackles are: Anthony Costonzo, Derek Sharrod, and Joseph Barksdale. Top Guard/Centers are: Mike Pouncey, Marcus Cannon, and Benjamin Ijalana.
How important is it that we address the OL in this draft? 8/10 - It is very important for this team to upgrade at the "non-skill" positions. As we saw against the Browns, when the Bengals win the war of the trenches they tend to win the game. This unit has been solid, but needs an upgrade on athleticism.
How likely is it that we will address the OL in this draft? 6/10 - It seems really unlikely that this team will use their first or second round pick on a lineman with the money they've invested in Andre Smith (especially considering how early we pick). However I would not be surprised if a highly graded lineman slips into the third or fourth rounds and we pick him up.
Suggestion: Start looking O Line in the third round.
WR - Whats our Situation? Anybody else get the sense this team is ready to move on? Anybody else think Ocho is going to be a pain in the ass this offseason? Where at one point it was worth it to put up with Ocho's shananigans, I would say Chad's not the same guy anymore. He'd be a very strong #2 guy, but isn't unguardable anymore. Shipley looks great but is only a slot receiver and needs someone on the outside to open up the middle. It was great to see Caldwell and Simpson in action against the Browns/Chargers, hopefully one of those guys can step into a #2 role someday.
Who's There? AJ Green Baby! The guy is projected as a Larry Fitzgerald/Calvin Johnson type of player worthy of a top 5 pick. The rest of the class is deep as well with guys like Jonathon Baldwin, Julio Jones, and Michael Floyd projected to go in or near the first round. The Bengals will very likely pick up a WR in this draft, the question is do we wait for round 2?
How important is it that we address WR this draft? 9/10 - Ocho won't stick around longer than he has to and nobody knows if TO is going to be around next year. A young #1 receiver must be a priority in this draft. One possible scenario is to wait and see if a WR drops to the second round and find other positions of need.
How likely is it that we will address WR in this draft? 7/10 - But falling with the rise of Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell these last few games. If those two light it up against Baltimore, the chances of us drafting AJ Green will drop like rain! Still, elite WRs are tempting and using one of our first two picks on one seems likely considering who's there.
Suggestion: This team needs to build its D Line before anything else. That being said, if AJ Green lights up the combine ala Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, draft him. Otherwise wait for one of the other top guys to drop to early round 2 or 3. Pick up Ocho's last year and hope we can trade him for an early draft pick. If not... let him "mope" for one more year and walk in 2012.
RB - This was recently addressed by Carsonorbust so I'll keep it short (again). I think its VERY unlikely we pick up a running back in this draft. If Benson walks, I have no doubt that this team would turn to a Peerman, Scott, and Leonard running back by committee.
Who's There? Ahh.. Mark Ingram, LaMichael James... cricket cricket. This is a weak draft class,
How important is it to draft a RB?: 2/10,
How likely is it that we draft a RB? 4/10
TE - What's our situation? With Coffman and Gresham in stripes this team looks better than ever at TE.
How important is it that we address TE in this draft?? 0/10
How likely is it that we will address TE in this draft? 1/10. This team may not draft a TE for the next 10 years (knock on wood). Though, Mike Brown just might be dumb enough...
Stay tuned for Defense!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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Luck's not coming out.
Not from the looks of it.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
Nice Breadown.
I’m rec’ing this.
The only thing that I disagree slightly on is the O-line. If I were the Bengals I would definitely look O-line in the first (if they trade down) or 2nd. It’s pretty clear that they need an upgrade, and with the uncertainty of Butter Ball’s foot, I’d say that drafting a tackle (and moving him to G if Smith pans out) wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Also, I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think they would go that direction. A 2nd round pick isn’t going to break the bank, so I don’t see having a 2nd rounder and Andre a problem.
This is our year!
I dunno
I think the second round is too early for the O Line this year, as is the first. This is a VERY weak draft class. If we decided we’re mostly set at WR next year then maybe at earliest the second round, but that seems pretty high for what will likely be an interior lineman.
There are plenty of guys graded out in the second round.
There just aren’t a lot of superstuds in the first.
This is our year!
Trade down
Is not in the vocabulary sir.
Just move on.
Also personally Take Ben Ijalana in the 3rd. And you have your new stud Guard.
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Need for O LIne
This is the AFC North. It is a smash mouth type of football. Look at the Steelers first rounder last year….Pouncey. He is a Pro-Bowler after his rookie season. His brother is in this draft. He would be a great second round pick. Unless, the Steelers take him in the first.
I give about
a 75% chance they take pouncey. Being that guard is a need for them AND they can reunite one of the better blocking tandems that was in college football.
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I kinda like the idea of the two brothers being on opposite sides of a division rivalry tho. But they might not find it very pleasing.
At least they are both OL players so they wouldn’t actually have to face off on the field.
Not saying its not interesting
But realistically I think the steelers will draft him there is a need for interior OL
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Mike Pouncey
came out and said that Maurkice has told him the Steelers want to draft him….don’t be suprised if he intentionally blows the combine so no one else moves him up their draft board…
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I think the young pouncey
Is really a caddie with out a golfer.
He’ll be good in the NFL with any time but i feel with his brother he’ll be GREAT.
So i don’t fault pitt for going for him.
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"This team needs to build its D Line before anything else" - What?
I read a lot about the Bengals going D-line in the first round and can’t figure out how this makes any sense. Assuming Geathers is gone by next camp, you have Odom, Fanene, Peko, Tank, Sims, Johnson, Dunlap, Atkins as an 8-man rotation. I would argue D-line is the deepest spot on the team talent-wise and numbers-wise (everybody but Fanene signed)
On the other hand, I don’t see people talking about linebacker. Every week I see poor play from Rivers and Rey. Dhani is about 100 years old. Johnson is solid and then Muck and Skuta. I would argue this team needs to target linebacker and safety before anything else.
Why
Are you assuming geathers will be gone? Did mike brown ever hint at that? or is that just the fans imaginations running wild?
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I want Odom gone before Geathers personally.
Odom just struggles, Geathers plays the run decently and can come in on obvious run plays. He also has a few flukes that are generally beneficial. He’s not worth his contract but he is worth keeping, at least over Odom.
Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"
Agreed
Geathers numbers are better across the board than Odom. Odom had 1 great game, but has missed 22 of his last 32. Geathers has more career sacks and twice as many tackles. Geather, Fanene, Dunlop and Johnson are a good set of DEs. Still I might go DE in the first roiund if we can’t trade down. Otherwise I see AJ Green in the first.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
He's too sickly
Out too much for injury or health reasons. Hasn’t had a full season since we signed him. Costs too much money. He needs to go.
Just a hunch on numbers
I’m just guessing Fanene gets resigned and they don’t keep all 9 guys, someone gets cut. It may be Geathers, maybe they don’t resign Fanene, maybe it’s Odom whatever. The bigger point is that D-line should be last on the priority list for FA’s/Draft
Consider this.
Why not make D-Line the STRONGEST point of the Defense. Running a 4-3 defense it requires a lot out of your d line, to make plays and for the DT’s to take on blockers so the LB’s are free to make their reads and flow properly. When Peko is driven 3 yards back in your face, it can be hard to make a read properly. Were good now but with personnel upgrades like a top 3 draft pick may be the bump our defense needs in the box.
example of peko getting owned screwing up our LB’s look.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati-bengals/09000d5d81ad78ee/RB-Williams-26-yd-run
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YESSS!!! +1000
I’m glad someone else has noticed this besides me. Just focus on Peko and you’ll see he is constantly getting pushed back or getting no penetration. I am beginning to think he might actually be the most overrated player on our team. Check out the first play on the video clip below and see Peko get completely blown up by the SD guard.
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Say what? The D Line should be our LAST priority?
I couldn’t disagree more. It should be our first. Which team is 30th in the league in sacks? The Bengals. Which team has given up 17 runs of 20 yards or more for third worst? The Bengals. We definitely need a DLine upgrade
Why are we 30th in sacks?
Because our LB core has totaled 3.5 on the year. Our blitz packages are totally unproductive because Rey gets knocked on his ass everytime or runs in a big circle. Hell the only pass rush we get is on a 4man rush from the dline. Also, it’s hard to get sacks when you’re trailing in the 4th quarter most games. Having Odom and Fanene hurt all year doesn’t help either.
And I agree that Peko is overrated. Sims is underrated. But the running defense, or rather lack of, seems to be a combination of Rivers being a woman and Rey being out of position more so than the dline.
In a 4-3
you don’t expect your linebackers to get a ton of sacks. Pressure is supposed to come from the front four guys primarily, look at the NFL leaders and see how many of the sack leaders (who are playing in a 4-3 base) are in the top 20. As I look at it, I don’t see any
Greg Jones, and see ya later Dhani
Rey to the middle, with either a combo of B.Johnson, Rivers (want him gone), Muck or G.Jones flanking Rey….
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BPA is where its at
Forget need if they are drafting in top 5. The beauty of it is the Bengals have needs almost everywhere and coincidentally the best players as of now are at positions the Bengals need.
DT, DE, QB, CB, WR are all positions with top guys in the draft. Go take the one the coaches think will be the biggest impact player in 2011 and beyond.
In my book Cam Newton has to be considered one of the best athletes in the draft. Question is can he learn to play in a pro set under center? If you think he can, draft him now and let Carson spend 1 or 2 years teaching him. By then Carson will be nearing the end of his contract. That guy is 6 feet 5 and has running back speed. Plus a CANNON for an arm. Draft him and the QB spot could be set for the next 12 years gang.
by BENGALS69 on Dec 29, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Too risky....
They said the same things about JaMarcus Russell. He was a winner in college, big and athletic, strong arm guy.
Didn’t have the speed though.
Bengals are the worst team in the NFL for the past TWO decades!
He has a lot more hardware than him
Which I feel confidence in the awards as well as
Cam Newton doesn’t drink purple drank like Jamarcus does.. Or have an eating problem
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no
He is just a known thief who got caught cheating on a term paper and whose father tried to pimp him out to the highest bidder. ( he can say he didn’t know but I find that hard to swallow). The last thing we need is a Qb with character issues. You can overcome that problem at any other position but not Qb.
Why did he cheat on that paper? Was he not smart enough or just too lazy to do it ? Neither are good qb traits. TOO Risky .
Kids cheat on papers
Man if you think that’s a major issue I’m sure you’d be definitely turned off by some players lives who play now.
But cheating on a paper and wanting to get paid to play?
So Eric Dickerson sucked in the NFL? Pretty sure he is the definition of pay to play in college.
Big Ben Rapes. Vick Dog Fights. Favre sends pictures of his junk to women. But your saying cheating on a paper is a big issue? Man he did it. He was how old? 18? 19? Come on now son don’t judge a kid for being stupid coming out of H.S.
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Bengals can't overcome.....
a quarterback with character issues. Steelers are a winning franchise who could. Eagles are a very stable organization which had Vick as a third option. We can’t give the keys to our kingdom to a guy like Cam Newton.
In fact, Newton is the Anti- Andrew Luck. Luck’s dad is the AD at West Virginia. I am sure he groomed his son to be a star just like Archie Manning did for Payton. Cam’s dad tried to sell him to the highest bidder.
Bengals are the worst team in the NFL for the past TWO decades!
Out of curiosity, what makes you think that?
if you look at all our QB’s (at least in the MB era), they all have had pretty good charecter. Boomer won the Walter Peyton award for charity work, Klinger and Akili Smith have both become pastors in their post-football lives, Kitna and Palmer are both very religious and high-class guys, Jeff Blake was a pretty decent guy.
Now, I prefer QB’s with good charecter, but I don’t think that should be a limiting factor.
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Because the QB has to be the leader...
first one on the field and the last one off. It is a position of judgement and stability. The QB is a face of the franchise.
Bengals have had too many low character guys in the past at other positions. If the QB is getting into legal trouble, how can he lead.
Parcelles said something like this “If your a QB, you can’t be a clown. QB’s are leaders, clowns aren’t”.
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Good point though
It is not MB’s style to draft a QB with character issues.
Bengals are the worst team in the NFL for the past TWO decades!
I think in all honesty
If he’s a decent person and he connects with the coaching staff on interview day. He’s in.
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My belief....
is that if you draft a QB early (top 5 pick) and it does not work out that it will set your franchise back 5 years. Look at Raiders (Russel), 49ers (Smith), Texans (Carr). All those teams whiffed on a QB in a top 5 pick and still aren’t good.
Bengals are the worst team in the NFL for the past TWO decades!
I'm not in favor of drafting Newton
but the Jamarcus Russel comparisons are ridiculous. Russel never rushed for more than 140 yards in a season or more than 2 TDs. Newton Rushed for 1400 last year and 20 TDs.
He’s a lot more like Vick than he is Russel.
This is our year!
I like Newton
But the bigger picture to me is we get a QB at some point.. haven’t you guys been reading me talk up Fairley ;)
War Eagle. lol
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If one of the top tier QBs fell to us in the 3rd, I'd say go for it
But I think there are too many needs on this team to go QB before that.
This is our year!
Third round ok
I agree. These guys in round three are a different story than round 1.
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Ok
So if Mallett or Locker fell to round 2 you wouldn’t be ok if we drafted them.
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It would be a tough call....
We have alot of needs. Carson can still play, especially if we can take some pressure off of him.
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I personally think like in all 2nd rounds
we go with players who fell out the first and with a need of the next franchise QB. in this draft or next.
I see MB jumping at it.
And I’m sure you understand the likelyhood of a new coaching staff wanting to come in and bring in their own QB.
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It could be possible..
that MB drafts a QB in a later round to groom him. Maybe like a Kevin Kolb/McNabb situation three years ago. But, it took Kolb 3 years to get on the field.
I would be okay with that. Palmer would be what 33 by then??
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Kevin Kolb was taken at pick 36..
So if by Kevin Kolb./Mcnabb you mean us taking a 2nd round QB and grooming him under palmer. I like your thinking :) lol
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RE: Draft QB in late rounds to groom
Nope. that would mean MB has his mind made up that Carson isn’t the future, and if that’s the case, he’d cut or trade him now to avoid his salary. It all depends on Carson, if he stays we will NOT draft his replacement…at least not this year
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Eric Wilhelm
Was drafted in the 3rd while Boomer was still here..
At the time Mike Brown was an “assistant gm”
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I read through the transcripts of the
hamilton county “dutch” trial
he talked about the positions he held so i assumed when he was involved before his father died.
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I like Mallet better than Locker
So Mallet might be the only one of those guys I would draft in round 2. I just don’t like innacurate QBs and Locker is about as inaccurate as they come (56% on the year).
This is our year!
I'm still not sold on Mallet.
Apparently his attitude is terrible.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
and he has rocks for brains
and apparently isn’t a leader either….of all the QB’s coming out, Mallet is the ONLY guy i’m hearing about with multiple issue, most of them being w/his attitude and game preparation…apparently he hates watching tape too…..Mallet (based off everything being said) would be the absolute worst pick we could make
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I haven't heard those things about him
But you can’t deny that he’s got major talent. Big arm, extremely accurate, tall, big bodied…
I don’t want to draft the guy either, but he’d be my choice before locker.
This is our year!
see i disagree
he’s not as mobile as Locker, and with his height, yea it sounds good that he can see over the line blah blah, but what it says IMO is that he’s that much easier to get rolled up on,or get hands on….if his name isn’t Luck, don’t draft a QB….not this year
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I don't want my QB to rush for any yards...
I want a pocket passer. Vick, Vince Young, Randal Cunningham, McNabb none of those guys have a ring.
Maybe my comparison is a little overstated now. I think of myself as a reasonable guy. At the very least, he is high risk/high reward.
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I knew that was coming...
Yeah, he does. That was a long time ago though and he is the only one that I could think of.
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haha
Mobile QBs are a bonus. And, Newton is leading college football in passer rating. So at worst, what you would get in Newton is a player like Brad Smith who can make people miss and run trick plays. At best, you get a QB in the mold of a Steve Young type player.
This is our year!
if you look at all the running QB's though
the success they have as running QB’s has always been short-lived before they convert to being pocket passers because they get the crap kicked out of them. The reason Vick is doing so well now is because he has accepted the role of a pocket passer – who can also run. But even at this point, it has become noticeable he is getting worn down from all the knicks and bruises he’s been taking all year.
Young and Cunningham are perfect examples of running QB’s who got injured early on and quickly adapted their styles.
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Also...
running QBs also are poor at reading the field. They can move in the pocket until the play breaks down and then run for yardage. Their elusiveness allows them to survive without reading the field.
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ok
I would agree if we played the Bengals every week. I am stuck watching the Jets every week by virtue of living up here. Brad Smith and his trick plays only work against the Bengals.
I live in PA...
and have to watch the Steelers every week. It makes me sick. Thank god for the NFL Sunday Ticket.
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Try Youngstown, Ohio
1 hour from Cleveland.
1 hour from Pitt.
:(
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I just hate the fact
that you can’t really get audio. And you’re being distracted by f’n Steeler fans constantly.
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Richmond, VA
I refuse to watch Washington and am too cheap to pay for NFL Sunday Ticket. So I watch at BW3’s… which blows….
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NFL.com
I pay NFL.com and have to listen to them on the radio. If i decide I can wait I get to watch the games afterwords too. With no commercials. But I usually can’t wait that long.
Why pay?
If you are talking about the Bengals. Go to 700wlw.com “the big one” click listen live and they have the game for free on the radio. Also if you go to channelsurfing.com you can watch the game for free. That’s what I do and have been doing.
is it good quality?
I used to try ATDHE.net, but the quality was so terrible, I couldn’t stand it anymore.
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yeah some what
Also, I was watching the game Sunday on channelsurfing.net and in the middle of the game they stopped it and the message said “Due to NFL copyrights, We have to stop broadcasting this game” . So I switched to ATDHE and I watched the rest of the game there. It was good quality then. But anyways, I think that the NFL is trying to bust these sites.
is it good quality
I used to try ATDHE.net,, but the quality was so terrible, I couldn’t stand it anymore.
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when it cuts out, just wait 5 mins
and they put up a different feed.
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Newton vs Vick
in regards to taking a pounding….Newton is a much bigger/thicker man than Vick, his body would hold up better- not condoning taking Newton (i don’t want him as a QB, maybe RB haha) just pointing out that Vick isn’t exactly eatin campbells chunky soup and is MUCH more frail body type than Cam
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Or better yet, just look at the 90's Bengals
David Klingler
Akili Smith(as well as Mikey turning down the Saints offer of their entire draft board for our #3 pick)
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 2, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
Those “other” players are known quantities. You can’t compare the two.
You wouldn’t be saying these things if he stole something from you!
But it’s not you so “it’s ok ,he is just a kid”
He didn't steal from anything
He bought a laptop that was hot.
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The only reason I don’t want Newton is our current coaching staff. I agree he’s likely to be a good player… IF talented coaches get after him for a few years and shape him up right.
But we don’t have those coaches in Cinti at this point in time and we have little reason (yet) to believe that will change during the offseason.
the problem is
When the coaches knew the season was a complete bust ,they should have been starting Simpson and Caldwell to get a better feeling for them. Instead they continue playing Chad and Owens ( if not for injury they would still be playing). My feeling on this say NO to AJ Green in first round. I just don’t think and WR is worthy of a top 5 pick. Not when there is so much other talent to be had. I say Fairley , Peterson or Bowers. A great defense can overcome a lack of offense. Look at the Steelers ,Baltimore or the Jets.
Defense, defense defense!
Good point
Why those guys didn’t get more touches earlier in the year baffles me. Even with TO and Ocho they should have found a way to work them into the lineup
Simpson
was passed over by Carson last season when Purify was pulled off the practice squad and played ST over Simpson. Simpson’s problem was he wasn’t versatile enough. Now with a need for a X receiver, Simpson got the call. Still, you got to wonder why not earlier in the season. Probably because the coaches didn’t want the distraction of Ocho and TO bitch’n about their lack of touches. Reason enough to fire the coaches I think.
Newton has character flaws, like we all do. If cheating on an exam was a show stopper in the NFL, I can guarantee you 90% of the players would have had their draft stock drop.
One key with him is the interview process and talking to his coaches about his dedication to improving as well as his learning process. Who did he hang out with? Did he master the play book? Was he a gym rat? Hard worker with film? There is no question of his physical gifts, they are extraordinary. Its the mental and character side that the Bengals will have to assess. If he passes these tests, a couple years under Palmer could produce a 10 year starter with huge upside for years to come.
Sounds reasonable
Instead of jumping on him saying he’s negative.
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Simpson v Purifty
Simpson didn’t have the knowledge to play any spot last year other than X, and they wouldn’t bench Chad when healthy (see: This year). What i’m trying to say is I don’t think Palmer snubbed Rome by saying he wanted Purify
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
This is all academic anyway till the Ravens
There are 6 teams sitting at 5-10. If the Bengals win against Ravens and those other 6 lose, the Bengals could drop down to the 10th pick. Then we tear all this up and start over.
Could get better though
If the Bengals lose there is a decent change they become the number 2 team in the draft.
Denver plays San Diego at Denver. Denver has a shot to win that one. If so, and the Bengals lose, they are number 2.
I expect the Browns and Steelers to be a close game, at least into the 4th qtr. So Baltimore has to be thinking playing to win for the entire game.
Definitely possible that the Bengals move up in the draft.
Running Back
Don’t we need to draft a RB somewhere? What if we don’t sign Benson? Scott is not a every down back.
Bengals are the worst team in the NFL for the past TWO decades!
Late round power back
is all i would do.
We can take just about any back and make them do ok. Just give them some blockers.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
And even that is a stretch with this year's RB Class
Better off digging through FA if Benson walks.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 2, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Michael Bush
would be a supreme AFC North back, and he has not that much mileage on him.
The Curse of Bo Jackson: Jan 13th,1991- present day
Start looking O Line in the third round.
The interior of our O-Line is rather pitiful and if the top OC or OG is there at the top of round 2 we’d be fools not to pounce on one of them.
2. Things
1. “pounce” was that a hint on pouncey?
2. 2nd is always a first round prospect that drops. Be it QB, DL, LB, DB, WR, OL or RB whoever slides out. The better way to guess who we draft in the 2nd is by what talent may fall.
Outside of 2008 with Jerome, we typically sorta go BPA. Because MB likes the idea of getting “1st round talent” for his 2nd round pick
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
We did that with E Steinbach (OG) so i think we can do it again in 2011.
I’m not saying take an OG or OC who is a rated 50th or lower with a top 35 pick….but if an interior lineman is there who is rated at the top OG or top OC and is worth a top 35 pick, then take the man.
I agree they tend to take best available in round 2 with Rey and Dunlap and Whit, but i’m not sure how K Irons (who wasn’t even the best RB at Auburn that year) fits into that category :-)
Yes, the “pounce” was intentional :-)
If a TOP OG/OC is there it’s quite possible. But if a top guy in a sexy position is there I think he’ll snag that one. Remember needs ticket sales worst attendance since like 2003.
Don’t talk about kenny Irons man.. too soon =/
I was at that game :(
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Green is playing fairly well.
7 catches for 63 yards
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I'm of the opinion that...
QB is a round 1 need. Carson has some left in the tank, but is not as consistent as he once was(i.e. interception prone) and aging. With indications pointing to Andrew Luck staying @Stanford, Cam Newton is probably the ideal choice(and his character issues are befitting of a Mike Brown pick). We DO NOT need a WR in round 1. I think Rome, Shipley, and Caldwell will be just fine for us. Sign/Trade Ochocinco for a 4th and maybe that 6th we don’t have. RB should be addressed in FA since there are no really good RBs in the draft.
Should Carolina end up drafting Newton, upgrade in the trenches(either side) in Round 1 and take Jake Locker in Round 2, or that kid from TCU in round 3.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 2, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions
QB isn't a need and we aren't getting Luck.
by Throw the ball on Jan 2, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
And wait till next year?
With a shitty QB Class and NO chance at drafting Luck unless we have a Carolina Panthers like season next year. I say roll the dice. Just because we draft a QB in the 1st doesn’t mean he sees the field in 2011(ex. Palmer in 03)
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 2, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
There's no need to reach for a QB round 1
Locker, Mallet, and Newton all have serious issues as QB’s. Locker has had accuracy issues, Mallet footwork, Newton has been a system player. None of those guys are 3rd pick worthy IMO
Many thought CP was a system player coming out of USC at first too...
Was he a reach at #1? Possibly, but QB was a glaring need. I think it’s still a need for the fact that for the good that CP has done for the team and the community, the truth is that CP isn’t getting younger and his durability is an issue. Even if we don’t get a QB in the 1st, there are some quality QBs who will be available in the second(or third) round. And when you factor in the Mikey Boy line of thinking, he probably wants his future starter a little cheaper than first round money.
His successor, Matt Leinart, proved to be a system player, and was drafted high. Went from being drafted #3(which oddly enough is our position this year) to being Schaub’s backup in Houston.
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 3, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot
I posted that before the Buffalo/NY Jets game
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 6, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Palmer was rated the #1 QB in that draft
We needed a QB and we got the right guy. It’s worked out about as well as it could given Mike Brown. He would have gone #1 overall regardless.
by Throw the ball on Jan 10, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Really???
And hinge our championship hopes on an aging inconsistent QB who has been damaged goods for 5 years?
2011 and beyond. Only one thing came true on the last wishlist.
This year's wishlist
1. Bengals win Super Bowl (Something I hope for every year)
2. Reds win the World Series(or at least a playoff game)
3. Ohio State Wins a Big 10 title
4. Cavaliers actually finish with a winning record
5. Wings win the Cup
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 2, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
The draft needs to consist of
Buiding up the Oline to improve a stagnant ground game. I think as most of Bengaldom can see the play of Palmer earlier in the season was magnified by 2 very overrated and uninterested DIVA WR’s. Now having WR’s who want to play and are better faster and have better hands all left to do on offense is beef up the line. I think with Collins playing a very good RT, Whit at LT looking for RG or LG should be priority in RD 2. I think Cook is OK but better G’s will help him out. Later rounds look for depth at WR and RB.
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