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Pat Sims: "I moved. My fault. All my fault."

You never like to say that a certain play won or lost a football game. When a team misses a field goal, you reflect on the game and realize that a multitude of other things could have been happened differently. Maybe if the guard makes a better block, opening a bigger running lane that could have led to a massive run. Maybe if the quarterback checked off his initial receiver, looked to his left and found a wide open wide receiver running vertical. Maybe if the Bengals defense actually had safeties playing as safeties, and not guessing where to crash into the offensive line, that a 55-yard Chris Ivory touchdown may not have been so easy.

You deal with the facts on the ground. And maybe a lot of things do or don't happen. Sunday's football game was the culmination of over 120 plays. The more motivated observers of discontent -- because we're nothing if not discontent, bitching and moaning -- you could easily count into double digits the amount of plays that led Cincinnati to their ninth straight loss in the year. One of those came at the most inopportune moments.

With :34 seconds left in the game and the Bengals holding onto a three-point lead, the New Orleans Saints line up on Cincinnati's seven-yard line. The Saints could have kicked a field goal on fourth-and-two, but choose to keep the offense on the field. Were the Saints going to snap it?

“It’s really a No Brainer Freeze,” (head coach Sean) Payton said. “If we felt there was clear movement, then the worst thing that could have happened is we move back five yards and kick the field goal. Drew Brees did a great job with the snap count and tried to create the illusion we were going for it, when we were really just going to let the time run out.”

Pat Sims jumped. Half-the-distance to the goal penalty and a first down at the Bengals three-yard line. On the next play, Drew Brees hits Marques Colston on a quick hitch to the right pylon with Johnathan Joseph playing several yards off the wide receiver that allowed Colston to catch the easy game-winning touchdown.

If Sims doesn't jump, the Saints kick a field goal to tie the game and send it into overtime. Unfortunately for our young defensive tackle, Sims will be remembered for jumping offsides that led to the game-winning touchdown.

“I moved. My fault.  All my fault. I made a mistake,” Sims said.

Sims finished the game with three tackles, two quarterback hits and a tackle-for-loss. Sims didn't single-handed lose the football game for the Bengals. It was just a contributing play that led to the tenth loss of the year.

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Sims is at least a stand up guy

Carson has been owning up to most of the losses this year, even when some were not his fault at all. All in all, the Saints never should have been allowed to be in that position if the safeties played like they should. Or, if Palmer and Chad had hooked up to keep the second to last possession alive and maybe score a TD instead of a FG

That said the coaching and leadership are uttlerly lacking. Why didn’t Marvin take a time out to preserve over a minute at the end of the game? The Bengals are rudderless at this point with nobody taking charge of the game on Sundays. They are getting harder and harder to cheer for every week.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Dec 5, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

We're at the point where the losses and mistakes blur together

This isn’t 2009 where the most egregious errors were defined by Brad St. Louis long snaps. We’ve lost games this year because of penalties, lack discipline, miscues on offense, lack of penetration on defense, and, oh, some really really bad play calling.

This leaves me with the conclusion that, all around, this is a bad team which cannot be fixed in one offseason.

by FordhamRam on Dec 5, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Y'know, I'mma have to say that it can.

Fix the coaching, it’s obvious that was the difference between a victory and a loss today.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Dec 5, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

im going to say it can also

this season has shown me once again how the scedual is a major factor in todays NFL. so next year with once again a really easy schedual we will once again be a 500- 800 % team an most people will think all is well

but some really know better about that

by BoomerEsiasonsLoveChild on Dec 5, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm one of them.

Wanna know why? That’s barely a factor. We’d have to have six wins and two of our losses be to the Colts and Chargers. I don’t buy this “tougher schedule” bullcrap, because it’s barely relevant. People say “oh well the Bengals folded against the tougher schedule.” Bull. Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Cleveland all had the exact same schedule besides two games. Just two. While that could play the difference in making the playoffs, that does not equal a +6-8 win differential.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Dec 6, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is a great thread...

Fordham, spot on with the opener, and Doc’s two comments are right on the money as well.

How do you go from 6-0 in the division, to likely 1-5 or 2-4 when this part of the schedule is so consistent? Both figures are not the norm, but the division wins are so important to a season, and the team hasn’t shown up when it mattered most.

I don’t believe for one minute that the talent on this roster has taken a step back.

Look at it on paper.

Offense: 2010: Coats, Coles and Caldwell. 2011: Gresham, Owens and Shipley. Each player has outperformed his predecessor. The roster still needs a FB no matter how bad Jeremi Johnson/Dan Coats/Foschi may have been.

Special teams: 2010: St Louis, Graham. 2011: Harris, Nugent. Until Nugent’s injury, the 2011 set-up surpassed 2010 because there was some due diligence in replacing Graham. OK, it’s been shaky since Nugent got injured.

Defense: 2010: It’s harder to call with some injuries/changes. Yesterday, Ndukwe and Williams showed why both are a step off being starters. I never thought you could miss Chris Crocker as much. Geathers and Odom haven’t shown up (remembering that Odom missed most of last season). Tank’s been injured. But Dunlap and Atkins have shown promise. Adam Jones looked great as the third corner, and maybe the starter next season for money reasons.

The talent is there to have made a better effort than this.

by wiseking on Dec 6, 2010 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

What's missing?

Coaching. If you’ve got talent—which 2009 should be a good indicator of—it doesn’t go away overnight, especially for the younger guys. Just the coaches aren’t bringing it out or teaching them right. Bring me a man who can get them to play good, clean football (Atlanta Falcons are one of the least-penalized teams in the league and that plays a big part into their 10-2 record) and make them play to the best of their abilities every week.

Joe Reedy: "Supposedly Marvin could not find his flag to challenge the call. I am not kidding. #bengals"

by Doc Scratch on Dec 6, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

good coaching

can also bring out more focused football players who aren’t so prone to missing their gap and coverage assignments or jumping into the neutral zone on an obvious “freeze” play.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 6, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference with this year and last

is going into the Saints game this year we were 1-6 in game decided by 8 pts or less…last year Palmer led 6-7 game winning drives….this year we aren’t making those plays. Still letting up HUGE plays, and then somehow overcoming it to be in a position to win, only to get out coached down the stretch….the clock management is BULLSHIT! THIS IS A PRO FOOTBALL TEAM, the clock management mistakes are indefensible!?!?! completely embarrasing and once again 80% of the play calls in key situations have you shaking your head wondering how the f*ck Bob sill has a job….

by TruWhoDey on Dec 6, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

This is why the roster makeover is not needed

Clean house with coaches and get the atmosphere right to move forward

The players have listened to the Marvin Lewis way for long enough – that’s what the results are saying.

by wiseking on Dec 6, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

However, this was only one game. Don’t get me wrong, we lost the past three games due to coaching issues. Had we won them, we would still be only 5-6 at best. You could argue that pass protection in the first few losses made the difference between winning and losing too.

Changing the coaching staff isn’t going to turn Dennis Roland into Jonathan Ogden. Assuming we hire the right coach (and previous experience suggests this is a very big assumption), we still have to have players that are coachable and enough depth to weather injuries.

by FordhamRam on Dec 6, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

All of the fans watching on television and all the fans in the stands

knew there was no way they were going to go for it. Apparently Pat Sims was the only man in America that wasn’t smart enough to figure that out. Way to go…

If Zimmer can’t coach his players better than this he has no business coaching. He should have explicitly told the defense not to move. If a guy has been playing football for that long and he is not smart enough to figure it out, then why is he even playing professional football?

All of these mental errors are inexcusable, especially at this point in the season. Any coaching staff that cannot fix these mistakes 12 games into the season has no business coaching. Ridiculous.

MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!!!

by D-Day77 on Dec 5, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Like TarZander said, this shows character.

That’s a man’s way to admit a mistake; he just came right out and said that it was his fault. He made no attempt to pass the blame and he took full accountability.

He’s the type of guy I think I want to see on this team, and he should be a solid backup (or maybe even starter) in the trenches for a while.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Dec 5, 2010 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Yep, love the character.

And he can stay as a rotational player, not simply a backup. If he’s a starter though, we’ll continue to have issues.

It's time to sink or Zim.

by Pardon_My_French on Dec 5, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we get ready for next year already?

This gives them almost a full year to prepare for opening kick off 11’. Wait! we don’t have a head coach signed yet and our OC isn’t fired yet. The players don’t have a direction. Someone to implement discipline. Oh, they don’t have a direction this year.

by WHYUS!! on Dec 5, 2010 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

All on the coaches

Pat Sims has been phenomenal the past few weeks at getting a good fast jump off the ball and pushing into the pocket. If I can see the way he’s firing off the snap, you know the other teams see it as well. How can our coaches not have the sense to tell Pat not to do it on that play? They have to know that the other team sees him as a target for the hard count in that situation. The hard count to draw offsides is a coaching/pscyh move. It’s the responsibility of our coaches to make sure he knows the other team is in all likelihood not really going to snap the ball and to be prepared for the hard count.

by indesignkat on Dec 5, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

Who knows?

But it has to be the catalyst to say why they should not return in 2011.

by wiseking on Dec 6, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

2things

A) I forgive Pat Sims. He’s been our best DT over the past month.
B) i thought the Saint were going to run a play. Here’s why… they just called a timeout. So they can’t take another one back to back. I was expecting them to try and make us jump offsides. I didn’t work, then the switched the play. I said “here we go”. Brees hard counted, the clock got low and Sims jumped offsides. The thought of taking the delay of game never crept into my mind.

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by Joe Goodberry on Dec 6, 2010 8:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

"I moved. My fault. All my fault. I made a mistake,"

Most Cincinnati tax payers can relate to this statment. Can we get a mulligan on that stadium vote please?

by Crew Jones on Dec 6, 2010 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

There is no doubt that Sims screwed up, but.....

There is one name that I never saw mentioned in all of this. Dahani Jones. I know that Sims should have been very aware of the situation and perhaps Dahani did his job, I don’t know. But, especially in view of the fact that there was a time our prior to the play, Dahani’s job as defensive captain here was to pull all of the DL guys over and one by one made sure that they absolutely understood that they should “hold their water”, as Lapham says. Sims is the FU but it is the D Captain’s job to drive the point home. I have no evidence that Dahani didn’t do his job and Sims should have known but I find it hard to believe that Sims is so stupid that he would encroach after the point was driven home.

Gawd, that was embarrassing! Since the first game of the season, no team has manhandled us. We, even thru many mistakes, have played well enough to win in at least 5 maybe 6 of our losses. Almost everyone on the team has played well most of the time. It seems to be a different player every week. I think Carson had a QB rating of 106 or something like that against as very good D. I really don’t know how to fix a problem where you don’t know which wheel is going to fall off next. The prime indication is that it is coaching. There is not enough accountability and discipline. Every one of our starting 22 players can play at a solid NFL level. We have the talent to be competitive and win a lot of games. It has to be coaching. It has to be.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Dec 6, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Carson has 101 rating, and N.O.'s D is 7th overall

coaching….only coaching needs changing, not the roster overhaul

by TruWhoDey on Dec 6, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What I see now is different than what I am used to seeing in the tough past years

For most of the past 20 years the team always played with a lot of passion – even when they were bad. Those teams just didn’t have the players, sometimes they didn’t have the coaches either, but you could enjoy watching them because you could tell that they were young men out there playing their asses off. They weren’t the best players but you seemed to get the best they had. This team seems to be playing with a lethargy I am not familiar with.

That got me thinking. The two most important guys on a football team, in regards to leadership are the Head Coach and Quarterback, IMO. Look back at winning franchises I seem to note that all of them had a HC or QB who was a strong leader, sometimes both. The only milder mannered tandems I could come up with was Roger Staubach/ Tom Landry and Walsh/Montana and I hear that both Walsh ans Landry would also chew your butt, just not publicly. Neither were firey and loud. They are the only exceptions I can come up with. One of the two absolutely needs to be take charge guy. We had Gregg/Anderson and Wyche/Boomer, Anderson being a quiet but could be in your face when needed.

Look at Cowher/Big Ben – Billichek/Brady – Lombardi/Starr – forget his name/Peyton – Madden/Stabler – and these are just a few examples.

Marvin is not a vocal leader and neither is Carson. The players seem to ignore ML and Carson just kinda spouts the company line. Zimmer does it on D but I am sure they all laugh a Brat behind his back. When either the HC or QB is a vocal leader the odds of winning seem to go up.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My question is...

The first time I saw a quarterback get called for false start, I was thinking “What the hell?” I didn’t know a qb could be called for false start.

So on a hard count is the qb allowed to jump like Brees did on that play that drew Sims offsides? Granted it’s not the only problem with that game, but I would call that a missed false start penalty. Brees jumped big time. Maybe it’s allowed but if that is the case I don’t see how a qb can even be called for a false start.

by Oregonbengalsfan on Dec 6, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Jimmy Clausen might get called for a false start, but teams can’t expect Drew Brees to get called for doing the same thing. Top QBs get a break in situations like that, and defenses need to understand that.

by donniethelion on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t be called for a false start if you aren’t “set”. The linemen are even allowed to come “out” of “set” once they went into it to look up and hear new line calls. So it’s a VERY hard rule to call correctly.

I don’t know. Even if I wasn’t also a Saints fan, I’d have to call this a stretch to call it a missed penalty. There were plenty of others I would (like the missed facemask, for example) but this is really pushing it at best, to outright wishful thinking at worst.

by FriarBob on Dec 6, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It is really hard to put any loss on any single play

The bottom line is, a team with a lot of talent has a terrible record. Marvin Lewis is probably going to be gone. Carson Palmer is the big question mark. Will the Bengals draft a QB?

by donniethelion on Dec 6, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

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