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On The Bright Side: Carson Palmer's Second Half Performance Nearly Led To An Upset

CINCINNATI OH - DECEMBER 05:  Carson Palmer #9 of the Cincinnati Bengals throws a pass during the NFL game against the New Orleans Saints at Paul Brown Stadium on December 5 2010 in Cincinnati Ohio.  The Saints won 34-30.  (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

Confused? Are you saying, "now, you just brought up something bad about Palmer"? Yes, we brought up the leadership issues earlier and we believe it stands. On the other hand, we'd be single-minded fans if we didn't point out that Carson Palmer really hit his stride on Sunday. Simply put, when you're defense gives up five plays of 40 yards or more and 436 yards of total offense, you need an offense that will respond in kind. Cincinnati had that Sunday afternoon. Specifically, the second half with Palmer completing 12 of 16 passes for 146 yards passing and a touchdown for a passer rating of 123.4. Much of Cincinnati's success in the second half came on several third-and-long situations where Palmer was, simply put, throwing fewer mistakes with better accuracy and greater communication between he and his receivers.

On the first drive in the second half with 6:33 left in the third quarter, the Bengals line up third-and-nine on New Orleans' 49-yard line. Palmer takes the shotgun snap, scrambles in the pocket (more like, "oh crap, oh crap, oh crap") just as Chad Ochocinco was entering the second half of his crossing pattern (i.e. running straight) going left to right, breaking free underneath. The line parted, the lane opened and Palmer unleashed a fast ball at Chad, who caught the pass, turned upfield and picked up 33 yards. Chad's first reception of the game put the Bengals on New Orleans' 16-yard line. Several plays later, the Bengals line up first-and-goal from the five-yard line. Owens, wide right, runs a drag route from right to left, finding enough interference from bodies underneath to break from coverage. Carson Palmer hits Owens near the left side of the endzone for the touchdown.

This was the theme throughout the second half. After Reggie Nelson picked off a Drew Brees pass, Carson Palmer hit Chad for another 20-yard gain on the ensuing drive that eventually pushed Cincinnati to New Orleans' one-yard line before Cedric Benson scored his first rushing touchdown of the afternoon with 13:42 left in the fourth quarter (if I get wordy, let me know). After Drew Brees connected with Robert Meachem on a 52-yard touchdown pass that gave New Orleans an eight-point lead, the Bengals responded with an eight-play, 59 yard drive with Carson Palmer completing a 21-yard pass on third-and-ten. Benson would go on to score his second touchdown in the game. Oh, and we'd be remise if we didn't thank New Orleans' special teams for adding a 12th man on the field as the Bengals were punting, extending the drive for the eventual game-tying touchdown. The Bengals went for two and Palmer rocketed a fastball into Jermaine Gresham's basket for the game-tying reception.

The Bengals and Saints would exchange points with Cincinnati scoring a field goal and New Orleans scoring a touchdown to end the game. It wouldn't be until later that issues surfaced, and that's largely thanks to Sims' neutral zone infraction that forced the Bengals offense to go all funky town with 30 seconds left in the game.

Terrell Owens may be complaining about the play-calling; while obviously true, his point of view (we suspect) is mostly about giving him the football, since he referred to himself so many times. And maybe the Bengals should. But if you watched Sunday's game, the Bengals offense appeared to flow nicely when Chad Ochocinco was more involved. We still believe there are leadership issues with Palmer, if not this entire team. At the same time, if not for Palmer's second half performance against the Saints on Sunday, the Bengals are nowhere close to being in a position to win the game.

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This was his best game this year until the final two plays

But one game to me does not make up for all the other stupid plays he has made this season and even dating back to last year. Do I think he wants to win here? Yes I do. Do I think he can win here? Yes I do, with the right O-line and better coaching. I am up to giving him another year with a new coach but with a backup plan in place such as Cam Newton or Andrew Luck. I know it will be tough to pay a backup QB huge money but I think we have to start looking at the future and if Palmer cant get it done next year we have to have somebody waiting to take his place, and Dan L. and Jordan are not the future.
And to Josh’s argument that you cant pay a QB to sit on the bench, just look at the Eagles, that seems to be working out very well.
I just want to win and if it takes bringing in a new QB to do so, so be it.
I want Palmer to be successful, but there is only so much I can take.

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by TennBengalfan on Dec 6, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

"And to Josh’s argument that you cant pay a QB to sit on the bench, just look at the Eagles, that seems to be working out very well. "

Now, now, Tenn. Look at the numbers.

Base salary this year
Vick: $3.75 million
Kolb: $715,000
Palmer: $10.5 million

Now, let’s include a top-five QB. Sam Bradford? We could use him as an example, but he’ll get something more than a QB picked between 3-4 overall — though not much. Bradford will make just over $3 million this year and he’s on tap for $50 million guaranteed.

I’m saying this right here and now. Palmer’s contract can NOT coexist with any quarterback drafted in the top five. Palmer’s contract is already the highest % on the team by a long shot and then you’re adding approx. $50 million for a draft pick at the same position that’s largely going to ride the pine? What NFL has EVER done that?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Dec 6, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Solution

Cut Palmer and promote Junior woodchuck (Palmer). Draft a QB.

That was easy.

by sgiridharan1982 on Dec 6, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good.

Who should we draft as QB though, David Klingler or Akili Smith? I know the problem is with the players, HC, and DC, but I’m confident that the front office and OC can win if we get the right pieces!

by Alex Marshall on Dec 6, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I was impressed with Carson's performance overall.

I think we need to keep him around he’s made some bad throws and some bad decisions this year. However I think if we build on offensive line that he has confidence in than a lot of those mistakes won’t happen.

by JamesShively on Dec 6, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

yup

he’s been pressing WAY too much this year, and it’s weird that T.O. has never heard of that phrase before- especially since considering he’s the reason or end result of Palmer trying to force the ball to him (ie: “pressing”)

by TruWhoDey on Dec 6, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Carson Palmer is a great QB...

When it matters the least.

Now that the season is down the tubes, I fully expect Palmer to play his best. Add to that a 20+ point lead by the other team and Palmer turns into Montana.

Where is all of this great play in the Playoffs or meaningful games? I saw some of it last year in a few games but not since then has he done anything good in a game situation that means something.

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by Derftron on Dec 6, 2010 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Palmer's numbers make him good trade bait

for front offices as dumb as Cincy’s who look at numbers instead of game tape.

It's time to sink or Zim.

by Pardon_My_French on Dec 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Except that his salary makes him terrible trade bait

Sorry, there’s no way this front office will be able to move Palmer even if they had an inkling to do so.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Dec 6, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Palmer is not worth 10% of what he is getting.

What do the
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
Jax Jags
Philadelphia Eagles
Chicago Bears
Atlanta Falcons
St. Louis Rams

have in common? A first round QB leading their teams.
What else? They are leading their division right now.

That is 7 out of 8 front runners and the only one not is KC Chiefs with Matt Cassel, drafted 5th round by Belichick, the genius that drafted Brady in the 6th round.

So face it Bengals fans, replacing CP with a number 2 or 3 pick next season is mandatory if they are to improve anytime soon.
Then knock off the signings of useless FA’s, or drafting fat, unmotivated linemen.

by BENGALS69 on Dec 6, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

In regards to the first round Quarterback and successful teams going hand and hand

The same could be said about losing teams as well including the Bengals, the Lions, the 49ers, and the Redskins. Look at Jamarcus Russell or Vince Young neither have been overly successful. Sure a first round QB can help a lot of things but we have more important things to worry about than QB that are causing us to lose so much.

by JamesShively on Dec 6, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Also look at how many of those teams had something else BEYOND merely the first round QB.

Eagles — shouldn’t count anyway, they didn’t draft Vick, but it also does count because they made Vick. He was crap in Atlanta.
Jets — great defense, good OL, good running game.
Steelers — great defense. Not much else, but fortunately (for them, at least) little bit is one seriously tough SOB.
Jags — crappy division this year. Any other year they’d be in 2nd or 3rd.
Bears — great defense, and a good OC who can actually figure out a way to CHANGE his style and call a better game when his first idea doesn’t work out. If Brat had nothing else different about him except to add this one feature, we’d at least be 6-6.
Rams — crappy division, players starting to buy into the system and becoming better than they used to be.
Falcons — crapload of luck, bad officiating going in their favor, very good RB, elite TE and WR, very good DL, surprisingly good OL.

One pick, one QB, one anything can’t solve everything about this team or any other. But one change could make for a major improvement. Fix the coaching situation first. Establish a plan behind coaches that actually have brains. And then stick to it when the going gets tough. And don’t be at all surprised when suddenly we find we have a pretty good team fairly quickly, nor surprised when it continues to improve over the years that follow.

by FriarBob on Dec 6, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not positive

but pretty sure Ben wasn’t a 1st rounder, neither was Gerard, and was Cutler????
Like i said, I coudl be wrong, and am definately feeling too lazy to check, but…..

by TruWhoDey on Dec 6, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutler definitely was. Not sure about the other two.

by FriarBob on Dec 6, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutler and big ben were. Gerrard was like a third rounder i believe. Jax drafted Leftwich in round 1 when del rio took over as HC

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Dec 6, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and also

Jags suck, Bears suck, Rams suck and the Jets are overrated. wow that felt good, but seriously those teams all suck and are just having good years

by TruWhoDey on Dec 6, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what else those teams have in common?

Offensive coordinators that know how to design plays outside of 3-wide and unbalanced line sets.

 I seriously wonder if Brat does anything at all anymore. I’ve seen the same plays for the past 6 years.

How do we not have a fullback?
How hard is it to use the pass game to pick up small chunks instead of always going for 10 yards +?

have we run an End-around yet this year with TO?
2 TE sets?

I mean seriously, its getting really hard to watch the most vanilla / uncreative playcalls every sunday. The players ultimately have to make plays and have done a poor job of that this year, but Brat is equally at fault for not adjusting his plays to the personnel or adjusting after every one of our 9 losses.

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by Derftron on Dec 6, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

QB's in the first round matter

Cutler, first round, number 11, Denver Broncos.
Gerrard I made a mistake, he’s a fourth rounder so that is 6 out of 8 teams.

Its not just this year, year in year out first round QB’s take their team to the playoffs, with a very few exceptions. Kurt Warner, Tom Brady are obvious ones and they are even more rare than a first round QB working out. No way I’m saying a first round QB is guaranteed success. But if there is one available at number 2 or 3 and grades out at the top for the QB position, then take him when your own QB is a bad player.

by BENGALS69 on Dec 6, 2010 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

I'd take Luck because I love him as a prospect.

If Luck is gone, I don’t see any have-to-have QB out there.

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by sexsalad on Dec 6, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Mallet is such an enticing option because there hasn’t been an arm like that since Terry Bradshaw, but he seems like just as much of a hillbilly idiot as Bradshaw. That worked out for Pitt…. but I don’t see the Bengals having the same kind of success.

by Throw the ball on Dec 6, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently he's lazy, hates watching film and has an all-around bad attitude.

Not the type of guy I want with our 2nd or 3rd overall.

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by sexsalad on Dec 6, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He won

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by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

*He won't fall to the second or third.

He’ll be a top 10-15 pick.

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by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It's telling when Carson Palmer treads the line of criticizing the coaches...

he’s been all class for his entire career and never complained even in the toughest of years. His comment about “Marvin being responsible for time outs” is telling. Sort through the press conference BS and he’s really saying that the coaches are idiots. Couple that with TO’s comments and it’s pretty clear Marvin has lost the team. Marvin gave it his best shot and his time has passed, it’s time to get some new blood, likely a no-nonsense coach that won’t accept mediocrity. I wish the Titans would fire Jeff Fisher….

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by TarZander on Dec 6, 2010 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Watching the replay of the end of the game again...

He gives Marvin an absolute death stare. I know he was following the script…. but he should have called a timeout sooner anyway IMO.

by Throw the ball on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Palmer can't run this offense anymore

He’s much better suited for a west coast offense or a Patriots type of offense that is based on slot play, WR screens, ect.

I know we all watched the game and I know we all saw Palmer underthrow TO again, underthrow Chad again and have hardly any zip on his passes. He quite simply is not strong enough to get the ball downfield anymore, at least not without putting a lot of arc on it. When I watch him pass, I get reminded of Pennington, while successful, was also known as one of the weakest armed QBs in the league.

Palmer can still be a good QB. Unfortunately, I don’t think he can in this system. I’d love to see what he can do with a new OC that designs around the strengths and weaknesses of the players instead of sticking with the scheme. I still want us to take Luck in the first or Locker in the 2nd but only to sit behind Palmer for a year before they take over. If neither are available, shore up the DL and safety positions and hope for 2012 draft.

by Mexal on Dec 7, 2010 5:48 AM EST reply actions  

Zampese needs to go

It’s got to be mechanics as well, because sometimes he absolutely drills the ball. I agree the deep ball has waaaay too much arc on it which causes the receiver to outrun the ball and the CB to end up with better position on it.

by Throw the ball on Dec 7, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Carson is a top tier QB playing on a sub terranean NFL team

I challenge any QB to play a full season with the staff we have and running the ball like we do with no FB handing it to a rb leading the nfl in fumbles with the shortest yards per carry and least big run ability in the league to try and do what Carson has done.

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by bengals life on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

and a rookie TE and slot receiver

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by bengals life on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

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