Marvin Lewis speaking in past tense about Laveranues Coles?
by Josh Kirkendall on Feb 21, 2010 7:00 PM EST
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PrintOn March 4, 2009, wide receiver Laveranues Coles signed a four-year deal worth $27.5 million. And $7.7 million ($3 million signing bonus and $4.7 million roster bonus) of his $9.75 million were dished out the first year of that contract. There's question if Coles will be around this season. Salary cap penalties are no longer a worry and Coles had just turned 32 last December. Furthermore, Coles' base salary in 2009 was only $1.9 million. But that number increases in 2010 to $4.6 million, $6.4 million in 2011 and 2012.
When asked about Coles in an interview with Bengals.com's head writer Geoff Hobson, Marvin Lewis said:
He came in and has been the pro we expected him to be. He was productive. He made some big catches. Big touchdown catches. He blocked great. Great leader in the receiver room. He took what was a rocky situation and smoothed it right out.
GH: He had some drops.
ML: In the first game. He came in and apologized. He said it was the worst game he’s ever played. I told him, Laveranues, no free agent comes to a new team and lights it up right away. He brought stability to the position, was a role model and leader for the guys, and a great friend for Chad (Ochocinco). His stability made that a very strong room and that’s not overlooked.
Past tense. Past tense. Past tense. Now it's unlikely that the Bengals will release Coles before the NFL Draft, simply because they have to see who (if anyone) they acquire during free agency and the draft. Even though Coles is due a $100,000 roster bonus this year, it's unlikely that the cost will convince the Bengals from releasing Coles before the deadline in which the bonus is due. We have little inside information on this, but it does make you wonder with Lewis strictly talking in past tense when reflecting Coles.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the past tense is referring to this past season? I’m not sure if he’ll be back next year, but I don’t think Marvin was hinting at anything
Yeah I agree. He’s just talking about last season.
Now I wouldn’t mind if he was also talking about a soon-to-be-ex. But it’s a stretch from just that.
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yeah this was weird
hes just saying that because these things happend, now get ready for it, its crazy, IN THE PAST, you cant say " he WILLhave drops" he WILL come and smooth over a rocky situation if these things already happend!!!! wow.
March 4, 2010?
Must have got the date wrong. Contract must have been signed in 2009. For Coles to get $9.7 million for his total productivity in 2009 season, is that good value for the money spent? By comparison, I think some of the offensive and defensive linemen (excluding Smith) must be really underpaid for their work.
Coles was over rated when we signed him but he is being under rated by Bengal fans
They guy can still do a good job in the right role and Carson improving his delivery. I am not saying he is worth the money. I am saying he can still play and we need to find someone better before we diss him too much. Caldwell ain’t it.
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Caldwell isn’t it yet.. lets not forget those game winning catches he made. Next year I expect lots more from him, with more targets everyone should be more productive. Coles was never going to “replace” TJ and he didn’t. For the money we are dishing his way we have to get more, I don’t care what player they pay as long as they are earning their money.
B. Marshall would be sick, I don’t want to give up the draft picks though.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 22, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree 80%
I am not really down on Caldwell and I am wiling to give him, as well as Coles, another year to show me that can make the grade. But, if we are going to be good enough to truly compete for a SB we cannot keep hoping that guys can step it up. Do I have an answer? No. Obviously we need someone who can come in right now and contribute on a high level. We already have a Gresham. His name is Chase Coffman. Just as big, fast and as reliable of a receiver. Practically identical blocking skills. He isn’t the answer. So here we are with 3 diifferent receivers who we are depending on to step up and that doesn’t include Simpson or Cosby. We are full of question marks in the receiving corps. I am not opposed to drafting a receiver for the future but not in the first round. First round players must contribute immediately to be worth the money. THis is why I am saying go OL or stud D player in the first. Then get either Shipley or preferably McCluster who can revitalze the slot spot as well as serve as RB and return backup. Shipley is a Welker clone with better speed. Look at film of these guys and tell me that they wouldn’t help Carson big time. If we can get a stretch the field WR in FA (Jones is a real long shot but worth the risk) and grab a couple of BPAs in the later rounds we can contend. I will grant you that we could be fine as we are if these question marks prove positive but we havn’t had enough luck there to give me a worm and fuzzy feeling. We cannot be an elite team without at least a few elite players.
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I agree. I like defense or OL in the first as well. We need a sure thing not some overpaid WR who may or may not work out in the NFL. Plenty of good WR’s in the later rounds, keep building our defense.. they are the side of the ball that actually gets coached and competes..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 22, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Marvin says he only had drops in the first game?
Where was he the other three or four games where Lav dropped the ball? :-/
reaching a little bit there...
i think coles should take a hike just as much as the next guy but i don’t think marvin was inferring anything other than what happened this past season.
when talking about cedric benson we can all say, “he ran well, took care of the football, and was the reason we won a lot of close games.” past tense. past tense. past tense. does it sound like i think he’ll be gone? maybe if you spin it that way in your own head but all i was doing was listing things he has done in the past.
Sonny my pitched my wild
yes but Ced's future isn't in question so that was a bad analogy on my part...
i just can’t see how someone could take such positive things Marvin said about Coles and not assume we would keep him here.
are people really reading it like:
ML: He came in and has been the pro we expected him to be. He was productive. He made some big catches. Big touchdown catches. He blocked great. Great leader in the receiver room. He took what was a rocky situation and smoothed it right out. So I can’t see him having much of a future here despite all those good things I just said about him.
???
give me a break…
Sonny my pitched my wild
Might the only one, but
I actually like coles, he drops about 80% of his passes, yes, but he is a professional and a good influence on the rest of the team that, let’s face it, needs it. Also, he may come out of last year with a better understanding of our offense and think less, and catch more (wow I’m reaching, I know). The main problem with letting him go right now, before seeing what we can get in free agency or the draft, is that we will be putting all our chips in with ocho, caldwell, matt jones?, …..getting more quiet….., I’m just saying
I know times are slow now Kirk but don't trade off your cred for a story
If you need an idea for a story investigate Shipley and McCluster and their potential fit into our system. I am telling you that IMO both of these guys are going be extremely good players. Check them out and I am confident you will like them in the 2nd round.
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I thought I was the only one who thought McClister would be a good fit in our system.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Feb 22, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
McCluster...type fail
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Feb 22, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
McCluster is smaller than my 12 year old nephew
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Yea he is small, but you gotta find him and catch him before you can hit him
Bigger is not always better. He is very sure handed, stronger than you think and is elusive to the point that sure tackles become air tackles. Watch some video. I am not stupid. I have been an avid NFL and Bengals fan for 40 years. If I didn’t think he had something that overcomes his size I wouldn’t want him either. He make fast players look slow. Nobody thought Spud Webb was big enough to make it in the NFL either. The same principle applies.
As for Shipley, just watch Welker, who receives from a QB who plays much in Carson’s style and you will be looking at a slightly slower version of Shipley. IMO if we don’t get one of these guys for the slot we will be watching them become top players for someone else.
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I've watched video on both...
and absolutely love them. However I don’t think we need that kind of receiver right now. Cosby and Caldwell are viable options for the slot. I believe we need to draft a big n tall target this year. Thats all.
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Why can't we do both?
I like Cosby, but he is a tweener. Not big enough to break tackles and not fast enough to make people miss. Caldwell is young and could improve but I do not see him ever being elite. Both Shipley and McCluster have the potential to be elite. These types of players work well with pocket passers like Carson and Brady. Either are fast and additionally quick. They will separate and give Carson a target when he needs one. A quick outlet pass to McCluster in open space will give the D secondary nightmares. It no 1 or 2 can box him in. It will take 3. It is just plain physics. 220 lbs, cannot move as quickly as a 170 lbs. That means the D cannot drop back and the other guys WRs will have more room to operate. Chad is the only WR we have that has as much just plain talent as either of these two. Both will be available in the 2nd and one could be there in the 3rd. They offer a completely different type of player than anybody we currently have. Grab the down field guy in FA and get Herandez or Gresham in the first. That is 2 new talented guys for Carson and 3 if we can get a Marshall type.
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I'm willing to take a chance on either on the 3rd, not earlier.
There is way too many other valuable players that I would take before them in the 2nd.
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Other than Gresham or Hernandez, who?
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Well obviously depending on who we draft in the 1st.
If we draft Gresham in the 1st, I’d take best available safety in the 2nd.
If we draft Mays or Thomas, or any other defensive player, I’d take Benn, Gilyard, Thomas, or another worthy (in my mind) 2nd rounder receiver. But then again, if we draft a WR in the 2nd, we wouldn’t draft a WR in the 3rd, which would make Shipley or McCluster obsolete.
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Gresham in the first? Stupid move.
That makes no sense. OK follow me here. Why would we need Gresham? Last year we drafted an injured TE, Coffman as a 4th pick I think. Since he was injured he couldn’t perform and needed to have bone spurs removed after 10 weeks into the season. Thus no TE for us. That was a bad thing roght? Chase was a top rated TE in last years draft with perfect size, great hands with no real experience blocking. He will be healthy and with another TC there is no evidence that he won’t be a very good TE and he has a season in the system.
So many propose we, in the very next year, draft another TE with a more serious injury who does not have better size, speed or hands and does not block well either. But this time we wold be putting a First pick – not a fourth – at riak when we already have a very good one in the wings ready to start this year. A big risk on someone we probably don’t need anyway. That does not sound like a smart move to me. It does sound like a Bengal move, but not a smart one. Pass on Gresham. We do not need him.
Iutapi, Shipley or McCluster and then a talented safety prospect for Zimmer to coach up. BPA the rest of the way and look for a diamond in the rough.
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You’re comparing a 1st round talent with a late 3rd round talent. You’re comparing a complete, elite tight end, with a pass catching TE. You’re misinformed with the seriousness of Gresham’s injury. You’re not considering that Gresham had surgery last summer, which would make him more than ready to play this coming season. This is not just drafting another TE. This drafting our TE of the future, with Coffman complimenting as a pass catching threat IF he even gets to play. Forget about Coffman. Coffman is a project. If he pans out, then good for us, we’d have 2 great tight ends.
I for one do not propose to draft him in the 1st. I’d draft Damien Williams in a flash. But to call the move stupid? That’s just being a fool.
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What I do know is this
His injury was serious enough to keep him out of football for a year. That isn’t a scratch and it is a concern. I do know that.
I do know I am tired of the Bengals drafting first round picks that don’t contribute like first round talent . I do know that he is not a very good blocker and therefore is not elite. I do know that Chase Coffman caught more passes than any player in NCAA history in a tough conference. You don’t do that if you aren’t a playmaker. I do know that he was drafted with an injury and further developed bone spurs in the same ankle and never played a down without pain and nobody knows how good he will be next year.
I am also pretty sure that if Chase had a year last year like it is likely he will have next year, healthy, we would not be considering a a TE in the first. round.
Hey I am not down on Gresham and if we can get him in the 2nd well I would be OK with that. I just want our first round pick to be on the field without needing to worry about if his knees are healed. TEs are rarely worthy of a first round pick and one who has been out of football nursing a knee injury had better be Tony Gonxalez and Gresham ain’t it. The real problem is that we will be sidestepping a healthy low risk high reward talent to take him. Someone like maybe Iupata who will come in solidify an Oline which if is improved will improve the entire Offense. We need a great Oline more than we need a great TE.
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trotnoy, I also know
that I can disagree with someone without getting personal. I called drafting Gresham in the first round stupid. I didn’t call you stupid. When you resort to personal attacks, which you did by calling me a fool, it is a reasonably good indication that your argument could be pretty weak.
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Calling the move stupid is personal enough.
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The Defense is defending from the back forward. We have the guys to catch 5 yard passes. Right now the only guy who can go deep is Chad, and defenses know it. Unless the Bengals develop another deep threat, a guy who can go over a DB and catch the ball deep, we will continue to get stopped short of TDs. That is the aspect the Slim gave us that no other reciever that played last year did. It is much more difficult to hit a short reciever deep than a tall one, even a fst receiver, because it requires much more accuracy. I would rather have Denario Alexander or Desmond Briscoe than SHipley or McCluster.
+1
Alexander and Briscoe are tremendous options in the 3rd.
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The problem with little guys like these are,
that when they do get tackled by 3 defenders, they usually get hurt. Being so little against much bigger and stronger players in the NFL. Can they take the punishment? It’s not college anymore. It’s a bigger gamble than the usual gamble of the draft.
you must have been bored
considering our run first offense Coles did not have a terrible year. As long as we stick with our horrible offensive corrdinator, no reciver is going to excel the way they should. If they do cut Coles who steps up? Simpson?? who hasn’t gotten on the field in 2 yrs, no thanks I’ll take the vetern who has proven he can be a very good reciver.
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