Bengals should give Marvin Lewis a contract extension
We made the point during one of our Six-Pack of Hu-Dey posts during the regular season that Marvin Lewis should be granted a contract extension. Our belief is simple. Twice, he took a very bad team and revamped them into a proud group of guys that started to learn how to win. The first time around, it was a finesse scoring machine. Now? A powerful rushing offense and a tough defense. Not since Sam Wyche have Bengals fans known what it's like to actually think that they could be a good football team before each season. And when the Bengals soured a 2-14 season in 2002 and a 4-11-1 season in 2008, Lewis' Bengals increased the win totals the subsequent season by six games in each instance. Furthermore, the culture has changed from a league-wide joke to a team that's competitive with the chance to win any game they play. Granted, there are steps that Lewis needs to achieve to continue this trend. For instance, winning a playoff game or making the playoffs in back-to-back seasons would be a step in the right direction. Both of which could happen in 2010. See, we're already thinking we could make the playoffs again. Positive cultural revolution, baby.
However the question of a contract extension is weighing heavily. If the Bengals don't get Lewis signed after 2010 -- with hopefully a season to be played in 2011 -- who do the Bengals sign? Promoting Mike Zimmer is a very real possibility. But you have to ask yourself, how much will the defense suffer once he gives that role to a defensive coordinator. Who would that defensive coordinator be? And before you think that Zimmer could handle both head coaching and defensive coordinator duties, the same could have been said of Lewis. But Lewis, either by choice or Mike Brown's insistence, didn't control the defense. Instead, he took on the much broader role of a head coach which deals with greater responsibilities, like split-decisions during games for all three units, press conferences, player development, game planning involvement, scouting, etc... Could Zimmer do his defensive duties while taking on the important role of a head coach? Or, more accurately asked, if Zimmer is promoted as a head coach, who would he give defensive coordinator duties to and would it be with an inferior philosophy compared to that established in two short seasons with Zimmer?
If the Bengals elect not to grant Lewis an extension and choose not to promote Zimmer, then who? What coach do you have in mind that would take over as the team's head coach? And when you ponder that, know that most of the high-profile coaches wouldn't find the monetary compensation needed to buy their services. Most likely, it would be another rookie head coach. Why? Simply put, that's the way Mike Brown does it.
These are the things one has to think over.
Lewis joined the Bengals in 2003 as a rookie head coach, having never held the title before, learning on the fly. As time went on, he grew. He didn't get out of bed on the first day of his job knowing exactly the type of players he could trust; he didn't know which players could help him win. Experience as a head coach is no different than experience as a player. We all grow on the job. Think of the first time you were promoted to a position of power. You stopped doing the jobs you did before, tackling additional responsibilities. You promote ideas to help your organization and most of the time these ideas rarely surface in situations other than after failure or through the long road of experience.
But it hasn't all been a golden road. Many fans have grown tired of Lewis. And perhaps there's reason for it. The Bengals have no playoff wins during his seven seasons as the team's head coach. There's been plenty of embarrassing news regarding players making really poor choices off the field. Several draft choices are very unimpressive -- though if you look through all 32 teams, the Bengals don't have a monopoly on bad draft choices. His clock management has been questioned many times, as have his second half adjustments.
In the end, Lewis has helped make the Bengals a far better team and organization than they were before he arrived. His input with Mike Brown brought in critical veterans like John Thornton and Tank Johnson. He's helped find players like Dhani Jones and Chris Crocker; his open-minded acceptance of players like Cedric Benson result with incredible rewards. I know that Mike Brown has the title of redeemer. But Lewis takes these players and makes the most of them; many of whom become starters who leave the league taking note. Furthermore, Lewis has been great for the community with his work with the Marvin Lewis Community Fund, the goal of which is to "empower, educate and inspire individuals in the Greater Cincinnati region through our ongoing outreach programs".
Take his work with the community into account, as well as the work he's put into the Bengals football team, keeping Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati would be a smart move and we fully support a contract extension.
But will a contract extension happen?
The question was raised during this weekend's NFL Combine. In October, the Bengals and Lewis have talked about an extension and talks should resume this offseason. Lewis said:
“There’s a lot of things that go into that. In the direction of things that we’re doing and how we’re doing things that are important to me,” Lewis said. “There were things when I started in this job in 2003 that were important and we can’t change those. They have to stay on track and I have to make sure we’re continuing to progress that way. Those are the things that are more important to me as anything.
“I’m talking about structure, decision and how we do things and how I have the ability to do things that give us an opportunity to win football games.”
I believe that Marvin Lewis should be given a contract extension. There are reasons why others are against it. Now the voice is yours. Should the Bengals give Lewis an extension?
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one thing that stood out to me
i think he might be waiting/leveraging to get more control. particularly this quote struck me.
"There’s a lot of things that go into that. In the direction of things that we’re doing and how we’re doing things that are important to me."
It almost seems to me like he wants more control to do things and make decisions.
one thing i wouldn’t be against is giving him an extension and when that runs out, promoting him to GM. pipe dream? probably.
RIP Slim.
Marvin as gm
Would be great, he has been the only one to be able to deal with mike brown so far, but it won’t happen
by whodeydoc on Feb 27, 2010 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“things”.. he mentions these “things” a total of seven times. What are these “things”? I agree with brandone in that Marvin seeks to have more control over these “things” that Mikey Boy cannot handle. Like the draft, or FA, or making personnel choices, or making good GM, decisions.. you get the point. I think Marvin understands what he needs in order for this team to win and be competitive and if Mike won’t give up any of his power, I highly doubt we’ll see Marvin’s signature on anything they slide his way.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 27, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions
I voted for the third option
My fear is that, if we ever make it to a truly big game, Marvin’s (lack of) clock skills will kill us, a la Childress and the twelve men in the huddle. Weaknesses become magnified at the higher levels of play, and I can just picture him calling a timeout (or not) at some key point and screwing everything up.
He got us out of the gutters, but let’s not mythologize him…we’ve only had two winning seasons during his tenure, there have been numerous questionable draft picks or outright busts (not as many as in the ‘90s, but that’s a low bar), and he’s kept questionable players and coaches around for far too long (lowlights include Tory James, Ghiaciuc, Bresnahan, and Brat).
I don’t know if we could realistically get a coach better than him, though, which is why I’m not starting some “Fire Marvin” site.
why don't people get this..
he basically has zero control.. Mike runs the ream.
He does have bad game management.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 27, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
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he basically has zero control.. Mike runs the ream.
right, because you’re part of the organization and know exactly how much control Marvin has or hasnt. Get your head out of Marvin’s ass.
I say we let him get us a playoff win before we extend his contract.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
And only got one year to do it :)
I say we let him get us a playoff win before we extend his contract
Times up Marvin
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Feb 28, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
you know as much as I do..
so don’t come at me like you have more information. If you do, please support your argument. I hardly have my head up Marvin’s ass because I wanted people to remember who actually makes the decisions. I think Marvin has his strengths and weaknesses like any coach, one of his weaknesses being game management. However it is hard to tell how good his strengths are when the owner has supreme ruling authority over the entire operation. The whole point being, we do not know what we can rip him for when it comes to coaches employed or players being active, or even the players on the roster because Mike Brown makes those decisions, he acts as the GM. Chris Henry would not have been back if Mike hadn’t made that decision, we wouldn’t have overheard Mike asking about converting a DE into a TE if he wasn’t elbows deep in the football ops part of this team. Hopefully he gets us our playoff win this year along with the power to run things in a way that makes us competitive. In the mean time I’ll keep my head where it is normally.. no where near Marvin’s ass. But I appreciate the concern..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 28, 2010 4:12 AM EST up reply actions
I just don't want your head to smell like shit anymore, that's my real concern.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
this is all you have for me??
I’ll take that as you have no argument. Next time do not start a discussion unless you actually have a view point to argue, you’re just saying random shit..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 28, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Why would I waste my time arguing with you?
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
I dunno.. maybe its just me
but if you’re gonna post something, which you keep doing, at least maybe continue the conversation that you started. Seems like most people come here to talk football and argue their viewpoint, I’ll remember for the future to just ignore you.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 28, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
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I’ve posted countless times about my disregard for Marvin Lewis as our coach. He’s been good to us, but has plateaued just below the first natural goal of any head coach: winning a playoff game.
I cannot comprehend people like you who would sign him to an extension ASAP when he hasn’t won us a playoff game in 8 years.
You can blame everybody else, Bratkowski, Brown, Ochocinco, Michael Jackson, Madonna…I don’t give a shit. But the fact is that the only other person besides Mike Brown (who can’t get fired), who has the ULTIMATE responsibility to at least get us a fucking playoff win is the head coach. In this case, Marvin Lewis. Eight years is long enough.
So stop promoting mediocrity because it’s contagious, and the more Bengal fans have your mediocre mentality, the longer we’re going to see us fail when it matters the most: in the playoffs. Because when the fans are mediocre, the team is mediocre.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
once again.. for those who have trouble with understanding
I never once suggested we should give Marvin a contract extension.. If you could please quote when I said that, that would be great. I believe I said I wanted people to remember who has the real controlling authority over the team before calling for Marvin’s head. This isn’t high school anymore, you do not have to just make up crap so you can fill a word quota. Obviously you have a hard time with this so I’ll try and help you out here.. The only thing you really have to say is “I need Marvin to win a playoff game before I will agree with extending his contract”.
Oh okay, I can see why you would have that opinion. I hope we do win our first playoff game this year under Lewis, I hope we go to the super bowl. Now the rest of this jumbled slop is exactly that.. Stop preaching and writing malarkey and just get your point across. I don’t know who or why you are in attack mode, but I think I will continue with my previous plan, to just ignore you. Formulate ideas without gunslinging.. no one is promoting mediocrity.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Mar 1, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
As Did I
While Marvin has brought back(somewhat) a culture of winning in the Jungle, he is a terrible game manager, and has got us ZERO playoff wins in eight years. Those saying ML is the best coach we ever had, obviously didn’t grow up in or witness the 80’s and Sam Wyche. I’m gonna reiterate the point 80% made. MB calls the shots. Here’s one of my own. ML isn’t qualified to hold Sam Wyche’s jockstrap.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Mar 1, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
and MB is the reason Sam Wyche didn't stay here also.
He couldn’t object to any thing MB did. He had to go along with MB’s directions and decisions and couldn’t make any of his own decisions. He was great when PB was running the show.
True that
Then the best coach in the history of the Bengals was immediately succeeded by the worst coach in Bengals history. The Shula years were painful to watch.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Mar 1, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Marvin
Should get an extension no doubt in my mind. I think since his arrival Mikey Boy has been more open to free agency and bringing in guys that are proven players. I can’t think of any large FA signing in the 90’s that really stick out but if you look at the Marvin Era I can think of a couple right off the git. We all know Mikey Boy is going to run this team like his own personal fantasy team. I think what Lewis is saying and pointing to is that if when he want’s to bring in a guy he feel’s will better the team he want’s to see Mikey open his wallet in order to make this team competitive. I think this has been apparent however I think Marvin want’s to emphasize the continued philosophy of looking to FA and keeping the good guy’s you got here in Cincinnati.. So that Mikey don’t get to comfortable with Marvin and go back to his cheap dictatorship he ran in the 90’s. In other word’s Marvin is thinking but not saying outright to Mikey “We can not run this team like Paul Brown did to be successful the game and the league have changed and we need to continue to evolve along with the rest of the league”
I voted to wait until next year to see what ML can actually do.
Although I agree on that we probably couldn’t get a better HC besides a rookie HC, we need to wait another year. Explore our options a little more. Does it get better or does it go down the drain? With Bratworst as OC, it’ll probably tank again. We also need to see what ML does in the draft. That is important for next years success.
To me, this up coming year is an important one for ML. This is his 2nd go around at it, so he needs to win and go deep into the playoffs to keep his job. (but with MB probably not).
I also know that MB controls everything, but ML does persuade MB to think differently once in a while. That is an accomplishment in itself. So maybe he can convince MB to let him have more control.
If we go 4-12 or 5-11 next year how many of you will be calling for his head? Almost everybody will be whether MB controls everything or not. It won’t make a difference if we have a losing season. Now, if we go 8-8 or round about, then we are at the drawing board again, with this post. We need to find out if ML can get over that mediocre hump.
This really sucks that we are afraid to hire somebody better b/c of Mikey boy… and I’m not saying ML isn’t a good HC. All I’m saying is, there are still better coaches out there and that most will not come here b/c of Mikey boy. Plus there are some soon to be rookie coaches that know not to come here. That is why MB hires within, with one exception, Marvin Lewis
Let’s wait and see, then maybe explore some other options after next season. If Mikey boy allows it.
Perfect time to wait and see what happens next year.
Rarely in this league does a situation come along where the contract of a player or coach coincides PRECISELY with an organization needing to evaluate their worth. Lewis is in just that spot right now. I think he was very deserving of the Coach of the Year award last season, but the fact remains that he is going into his 8th season as a head coach with ZERO playoff wins. As far as I can tell from my research, no head coach in the history of the NFL has ever gone that long with no playoff wins. Is it entirely his fault? Of course not. Coaching for Mike Brown gets you graded on a curve, and that’s why I’m all for seeing if he can grow even more next year. Even ONE playoff win in 2010 and I’ll be all for giving him a new contract. Realistically, no one else is going to be driving his price up unless he wins a Super Bowl, and in that case I even see Mike Brown opening up the wallet. But to give him an extension now would mean guaranteeing he’ll be around for 2-3 more years even if he has another backslide, which it is entirely fair to believe he could.
Marvin still has a lot to prove. If he can’t at least get back to the playoffs next year, and realistically win at least one post-season game, then we will be in a position to move on without having to deal with Mike Brown’s cheapness.
A month ago everybody wants him gone, now he needs an extension asap?
What changed? I say move on after his contract is up. He hasn’t got us to the promised land or even a playoff victory, hell only 2 playoff appearances in 8 years? What has he done to be wanted so much? Cant use timeouts or challenges at all. I guess you all are satisfied with just being “OK”, not a competitor. Not me I want SUPER BOWLS!!!
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
yea, because its our head coaches that remains the constant theme over the last 20 years of losing..
not the same dumb ass owner.. good work.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Feb 28, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
Everybody wants to blame Marvin for time management and the OC sucking and other things. Those may be deserved. But have you considered the possibility that the time management is Bratworst’s fault instead?? It’s possible that he’s calling playing and forgetting how many timeouts he has left, and Marvin’s trying to not step on his toes.
Likely? I kinda doubt it. But it’s possible. And it’s also possible that the problems could clear up with a new OC as well.
So maybe the reason Marvin hasn’t had an extension yet is because he wants in his contract that he has complete control over who is OC and DC are. And if he’s asking for that, good for him, because Brat has GOT to go.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
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This is so complicated. Why don’t we just get rid of everyone and start from scratch?
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
Yeah right,
then we can start out like 1990 and then go another 20 years of hell..
You are forgetting about who the owner is. Good idea Einstein!
Friar has got a point here, b/c Marvin did want Brat gone for Hue Jackson and did say something about more control.
I was actually supporting FriarBob's argument.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
To me,
it sounded like you were being sarcastic about his insight, thinking it was idiotic.
Understandable.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups my friend.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
mean what you write and write what you mean,
then there will be no assumptions, fucking up the true meaning of whats wrote..
If Marvin wanted Brat gone, Brat would be gone, no?
I wonder how much of our offense is Bratball and how much is Marvinball. Maybe it’s Marvin that loves shovel-passes, doesn’t want to spread the load over several RBs, and isn’t big on using receiving TEs or tiny, super-fast RBs. (I’ll defend him, at least to a degree, on that last one. I have no problem using blocking TEs and powerhouse RBs, but they need to be at least a little versatile.)
And, I have to say, Marvin is pretty good at stretching things out. There’s a new excuse every year. “The o-line wasn’t up to snuff!” Well, uh, whose job was it to build one? “The defense wasn’t good enough!” Well, who kept Bresnahan around for so long? Next year, I’m afraid it’ll be “The direction we were going in on offense wasn’t right, so give me a few years to fix that.” If you’d have fired Brat after 2007, we’d be several years into a new, probably better scheme.
by Big Sky Bengal on Feb 28, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
If Marvin wanted Brat gone, Brat would be gone, no?
Considering he specifically tried to hire Hue Jackson as his OC for 2009 and Mike Brown wouldn’t let him fire Bratworst to make the slot for him… nope.
As for firing Bresnahan, the answer is probably in three parts. Loyalty was part of it. Despite how much he was despised, it took Sean Payton over a season to finally give in and fire his DC and replace him with Gregg Williams. Marvin at the very least wanted to give Bresnahan a full-out fair shot. Second was likely that Marvin didn’t want to fire him midseason because he didn’t want to “wear too many hats” given his defacto GM role. And third, and likely most important, was Marvin didn’t see a clear upgrade available on the market until Zimmer came free in Atlanta.
Is Marvin the best coach in the league? Hell no! He may not even be in the top half. But considering the owner we have, who only looks good when compared to somebody like Senile Al… well, what else is there to say? Marvin is, at least, managing him better now and maybe just maybe can eventually be what we want him to be. Maybe not. But I’m willing to give him another chance or two still.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.

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