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Bengal 2010 Draft


Right this is only meant to be fun and the start of a talking point about who and what we think the Bengals should, or could draft. In FA I think the Bengals will pick up a TE and WR and try to resign Roy and Tank. Hard to know what will happen with RFA (kinda takes the fun out of FA) but I think we'll get some new talent and have over-the-top expectations for them. I've not done any trades but I think we might be willing to give up our 2nd this year and 2nd next year for Marshall. We may also give up a 2nd or 3rd for Greg Olson (TEs aren't used in Martz's system) or Tony Scheffler. Either way i can see Brown making moves in FA to get another target or two for Carson with the draft being assigned to fill the D with more talent.

 

1. Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB TCU 6-2 257 4.72

 

Zimmer has said that he isn't happy with how the pass rush declined late in the season. Although understandable – injuries etc – it still isn't acceptable. We got no pass rush against the Jets, and with our corners we get some pressure and game over for your no.1 and no.2 WRs. Jerry Hughes is a dominant pass rusher who killed many pass offences. Sometimes goes too wide and requiring some work on his run-stuffing ability. Athletic enough to play SAM but will need some training in coverage etc. Appears to me to be very like Pollack (or the earlier prototype Lewis-SAM Peter Boulware) and the key to his, or any DE to SAM player we pick, will be getting in camp on time. If he doesn't, then he'll struggle to make an early impact. Former RB whose returned an INT for a TD and better in coverage than immediately apparent. Lewis has said that he sees the difference between our D and the Ravens (in its pomp) is the lack of a pass-rush specialist at SAM. I think he'll see the similarities between Hughes and Pollack and convince Brown its the choice to make. Hopefully Hughes has the career Pollack was primed to have. Imagine Hughes hovering around M. Johnson with the QB not knowing which pass-rush specialist is about to blitz... scary thought for Mr. Flacco and Mr. Roethlisberger. Constantly doubleteamed, chip-blocked and ran at but still managed 11 sacks this year (15 year before). Some concern that Hughes hasn't played against enough elite Ts but who has at college level? And although there will be the inevitable learning curve he will face RTs most of the time. Meant to be one of the hardest working players in college (in regards to film and technique) and with NFL level coaching (Zimmer!) he could be a beast. The Bengal's D is in the position to add playmakers and I think adding another pass-rusher is a smart idea. We don't want the D to just be suffocating... we want the D to be dominant!

 

2. Arrelious Benn, WR Illinois 6-2 220 4.50

 

Maybe Benn doesn't fall here but I have a feeling a good playmaker WR will (If one doesn't a good S will). A pure physical talent who plays like Andre Johnson and TO, runs over DBs and LBs. Has KR experience and although we won't want him running that full time, he's better than Caldwell and it'll allow him to get onto the field early (to me, if Jerome Simpson could be a KR star, we'd know what skills he has... I mean think about Crosby getting playing time now because he's proved he's reliable on PR). Good but not elite hands and although not Braylon Edwards makes the occasional blunder. A playmaker and potential red-zone threat. Not enough good game tape because he played with Juice at QB in an unfavourable system at Illinois so he'll drop a little. Good routes but like every college WR doesn't seem to have been taught the full route-tree (college coaches are way too happy with WRs just getting by). Can sometimes coast in games if not involved enough. Getting a FA WR like TO and Benn would add significant size, strength and playmaking ability to the Bengal's offence. Can also take snaps from the RB spot and would be interesting to see him and Caldwell run some reverses etc. Has some great highlights, including one where he basically runs over a whole set of DBs for a TD with ease. Adds another playmaker, and another target.

 

3. Chris Cook, CB/FS Virginia 6-2 211 4.56

 

The Bengal's are said to be looking for a CB/FS hybrid and Cook fits the bill. Bengal's team representatives have been sighted talking to him so its fair to say he is on their list of targets. He has good reach and batted many passes away in senior bowl practices. He also had a few INTs and showed good hip movement and fluidity. His height also helps against teams like the Chargers. Is able to play matched up against TEs and that has been a weakness of this D (highlighted in the playoff game and the game against the Texans). Adds height and physicality to the Bengals' DBs.

 

3comp. Larry Asante, SS Nebraska 6-0 211 4.56

 

Another player the Bengals' are reputed to be very interested in. Good but not great range. Hard-hitter but still decent in coverage. Perfect for Zimmer's 4-3 scheme. Looked like the best S in combine practices. Lost himself on one play in the senior bowl and gave up a TD (should have gone for the INT not the big hit) so some training required. A big-hitting S will be left around this pick and the Bengals get good defensive value and they'll end up with a backfield enforcer. With their 3rd and 3rd Comp picks the Bengals sort out their coverage depth issues. Slot WRs watch out.

 

4. Ben Tate, RB Auburn 5-11 214 4.50

 

With Bernard Scott filling the scat RB/KR role the Bengals need a strong RB who runs the ball up the gut. Brown loves his backs from Auburn so Ben Tate seems a perfect pick. Because the Bengals are now a team that loves ball security Ben Tate ticks another box because he never fumbled the ball (according to ESPN). Scored 10 TDs this season and carried the load of the offence. Not an amazing home run threat but a decent pass-catcher and pass-blocker. A good back-up for Benson that could emerge as a RB worth of starting. Can punish DBs once through the line.

 

4comp. D'Anthony Smith, DT Louisiana Tech 6-2 300 4.95

 

With so many teams running the 3-4 smaller, stout gap shooting DTs will fall to the latter rounds and the Bengals will be able to pick one who falls here. D'Anthony Smith is a physical specimen who never lived up to his ability in college but put in a smaller role and given time he could easily emerge as a dominant inside pass-rusher. Needs some technique pointers in regards to stuffing the run but more than capable. The potential to be a probowler but needs to be untapped by a good coach (Zimmer!). Boom or bust gap shooter (aren't they all?).

 

5. CJ Wilson, DE East Carolina 6-3 284 4.80

 

Nothing flashy but an all round quality DE who'll see time in goal-line duty early because he is a good run-stuffer. Depth and potential at DE position will see some talent fall here. He is also a prototypical 4-3 DE but hurting his draft status is that he is not convertible to the 3-4 as an OLB, nor is he a dominant pass rusher – he also comes from a young program. Not being invited to the senior bowl indicated that he isn't seen as a top level prospect but a solid player.

 

6. Nathan Overbay, TE Eastern Washington 6-5 270 4.86

 

Good sized run-blocker who can catch well but is a little slow off the line. Sounds exactly what the Bengals will be looking for (well it would be nice if he was explosive but you don't get many of those). As I said I think the Bengals will get a vet TE to add to Coffman, Foschi. Then add in a rookie to take the place of Coats and I think we'll be set. Had 588 yards and 13 TDs this season. Gets on the field because of his run and pass blocking, could easily emerge in the latter half of the season like JP Foschi did. Another big target for Palmer.

 

7. Mike Tepper, OG/OT California 6-5 325 5.37

 

Traditionally the Bengals pick a WR here so this is really just a pick I think the Bengals should make. Played LT, RT and RG for Cal so he is versatile. Strong run blocker. Stand up guy who was run down by a car (his leg broken as a result) because he had the balls to stand up to some wannabe thug idiots who were heckling a female friend. Hard working, strong and a fighter who has guts. Sounds like the late-round/UDFAs the Bengals line-depth should be made up of. More depth.

 

 

College FAs will be chock-full of decent TEs, OGs and WRs and a few FBs. So we should have a really competitive camp.

 

Needs in no order: CB, FS, SS, DT, DE, OLB, WRx2, OG, TE, QB, KR

 

Needs not fully satisfied: QB, KR (though added RB depth takes the pressure of Scott and Benn is surprisingly good at returning kicks) and a second WR.

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Benn is a 2nd round pick

good job, I agree

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by firstPick on Feb 7, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Absolutely ludacris, but thanks fot the effort.

Why do you think our pass rush declined? Odom got hurt, isn’t that obvious? Plus MJ will be much productive this year.

Benn would never fall to us in the 2nd, and if he did, I wouldn’t even take him.

Two safeties that high plus retaining Roy is your idea? Right….

Why the hell would we draft a running back?

And why the hell would we draft a TE if you propose acquiring Olsen or Scheffler via FA and Coffman ready to come back healthy?

Don’t like it one bit mister.

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by trotanoy on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

So no DE, S, RB, WR, or TE?

Should we forfeit the draft this year?

by smoormandiddy on Feb 8, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

See my post titled "First 4 picks" 11 days ago.

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by trotanoy on Feb 8, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think our pass rush declined? Odom got hurt, isn’t that obvious? Plus MJ will be much productive this year.

I already noted that our pass rush declined because of injury but you’re ignoring several things. Firstly a dominant D always picks up more pass defenders and pass rushers wherever it can. Plus, there is no guarantee that Odom will return fit or functional at the start of the season. The injury he suffered isn’t one you can rush, nor does it allow for steady movement. Another thing you’re overlooking is that nearly all Odom’s sacks came from the inside position or inside rush moves. That means his sacks are up the gut and not speed sacks. Fanene is also the same sort of pass-rusher. With Odom and Fanene working inside on 3rd downs wouldn’t you want M. Johnson and another speed rusher terrorizing the opposition’s O-line? The point is, is that Hughes will blitz from the SAM spot and this is something that Lewis has said he wants. John Thornton said on this website that Zimmer and Lewis wanted more pass-rush from the SAM spot and would talk about how to get it. Also you’re assuming that M Johnson will get better and better, but that isn’t guaranteed. The smartest thing to do, when trying to build a dominant D, is not to rely on his development alone and keep collecting young talented players.

Benn would never fall to us in the 2nd, and if he did, I wouldn’t even take him.

Benn may not fall to us in the second but a playmaker will and the Bengals should be open to taking them. The fact you say you wouldn’t want Benn in the second is odd, why wouldn’t you want a 6’2" playmaker who can return kicks, take RB snaps and punish smaller DBs with his TO/Andre Johnson style of play?

Two safeties that high plus retaining Roy is your idea? Right….

Roy Williams, Chris Crocker, Chinedum Ndukwe, Larry Asante, Chris Cook sounds like an insanely good Safety depth. Plus Williams and Crocker are older and would be required to groom the younger guys. Even Hobson of Bengals.com has noted that the Bengals are looking at these players AND looking at getting both a FS and a SS. I’m not pulling these picks out of the ether, I’m judging it on actual Bengal scouting. Plus you can keep Tom Nelson and his wiff-tackles and Ndukwe with his blown TE-coverage if you want, but in my draft I’ll try and upgrade that (like I know the Bengals are looking to). Plus Chris Cook proved in the combine that he is more than capable in playing CB (even at his height) so it isn’t like the whole of the depth isn’t improved. Plus did you forget how our CBs struggled against the bigger WRs this year? Well, with Cook at 6’2" we have some more height at the position.

Why the hell would we draft a running back?

I don’t see the Bengals retaining Larry Johnson because, although he still had hustle and all that knowledge, he lacked the speed and the trust of the coaches to utilize him. Also, do you think Brown will want to pay Benson full market value? So there is always the potential that Benson will leave after his contract is up. Another thing to note is that adding a like-for-like back will add leverage to Brown in the contract negotiations. Also, we have Bernard Scott playing RB/KR, Leonard playing H-back/FB/RB (3rd down only), and Benson playing RB, so another back is sensible for depth. Benson can’t keep getting the reps he does and still remain fresh. He also couldn’t play in every game due to the punishment he took. So a young RB in the same vein is a smart idea… and those concerns evidently played on Lewis and Brown’s minds because they signed Larry Johnson.

And why the hell would we draft a TE if you propose acquiring Olsen or Scheffler via FA and Coffman ready to come back healthy?

Well, a TE rotation of JP Foschi, Tony Scheffler, Nathan Overbay and Coffman appear to be a good mix of blocker, pass-catcher and all-rounder. Overbay was a OT in all but name BUT he still caught 10 TDs. The guy is worth the risk. He is ready for NFL blocking-wise. But if you want Coats back then that is fine.

Why don’t you do a mock draft if you are so much better at evaluating Bengals’ needs, motivations, draft picks and players.

by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 8, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

See my post titled "First 4 picks" 11 days ago.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Feb 8, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft

I agree with the “draft for value” analysis. There are a few other guys I would draft ahead of Hughes if the opportunity presents itself, such as Brian Price, Earl Thomas, Brandon Graham or Carlos Dunlap, but Hughes definitely would add another pass-rushing threat to our defense.

The thing that many people don’t understand is that there will ALWAYS be NEED in the NFL, whether that be immediate need or in the future. If you look at the way things have gone in the last 3 years, any Bengal fan would notice that injuries have not been kind to us. Therefore, depth is more important than ever. Someone mentioned in a previous post whether on this thread or not that you never know how a position is going to produce. You may think WR is a weak point this year, but next year it may not be. It will all depend on the offensive scheme, Carson’s comfort level and timing and the offensive line.

Sure, weapons should be added, but for all those who say draft a WR in round 1 because we “NEED” a wide receiver THIS year, I just don’t follow that logic, because odds are a first round wide receiver will NOT be of much help this year. A receiver drafted rounds 2 through 7 can be just as sufficient. Too much depends upon the way in which the WR is utilized, how quickly they pick up the system, and their chemistry with the quarterback.

A defensive draft pick can play NOW and would be a position of NEED because you always NEED depth.

by bengal fan from new york on Feb 8, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

They should draft safeties!

One of the weakest units on the team. Roy Williams is never gonna be healthy again. Crocker is mediocre. The rest of ‘em can’t tackle worth jack and they have trouble covering tight ends. That’s really a bad unit back there. The Jets completely exposed them (granted it wasn’t Roy Williams but the other guys looked terrible)

They should draft a TE somewhere in there (probably not early) because Coffman will come back but they probably won’t do much (in Bengals tradition) in free agency.

Geathers is a non-factor. He’s way overpaid. Frostee Rucker wasn’t worth a third round pick. They could really use another DE. Odom hasn’t stayed health either, yet. They really have nobody proven there.

I’d rate the top needs as S (x2), WR (x2), DE, TE, OG.

by occams_tiger_teeth on Feb 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we're drafting two safeties.

If we take the best available in either of the top 3 rounds, we should be set.

Now for wide receivers, yeah, we might draft 2 if the value is there.

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by trotanoy on Feb 8, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree,

we DO need another DE, but not in the 1st round.

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by trotanoy on Feb 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we could logically get a DE or DL either in the first or second rounds. True its not the greatest position of need but if the right guy falls to us then I would have no problem with a pick to upgrade our line

by The Dealio on Feb 8, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i've been as big a proponent of hughes as any as evidenced by my post recently.

but this video shows a few deficiencies that i didn’t pick up on before, especially tackling. he has great measurables—size, speed, hands, moves. but he does not tackle well and he’ll pull off of the hit sometimes. i did not see a single tackled where he punished the ball carrier. not even when he had a clean hit on the QB. note the fiesta bowl highlights… not impressive. hughes might be a project in the NFL, which is always a red flag as your first round pick.

we definitely need to hit on that pick and i think you’re on the right track of taking defense in the first round. hughes needs to have a great combine to get him back into my good graces.

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Feb 8, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

We need a pro bowl caliber TE

And we need a speed freak WR that can catch the deep ball.

a DE and Safety are important too but 2009 showed how much improvement we need on offense.

by UpStateMike on Feb 9, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

best one i've seen on this site.

I like taking Defense in round 1 vs. a reach for a WR (when we can get one in round 1) or a TE who can catch but can’t block (which we already have in Coffman). So good direction with the round 1 pick….but people can depate who we take on Defense.

Benn in round 2 would be nice.

It would be nice to get Cook & pair him with Ndukwe. I’m not sold on Roy Williams or Chris Crocker.

With Benson, Scott, Johnson, Leonard, and Dorsey at RB i think i’d go with O-Line higher, and lower on RB. Hopefully they can improve on the servicable, but not great guardplay of Mathis/Livings…espeically if Bobbie goes.

by ephram on Feb 9, 2010 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

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