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Banter: Antonio Bryant leaves without a deal; doubting Mardy Gilyard is drafted by Cincinnati

With all of this talk about which wide receiver the Bengals will sign (or both if the front office is really good... heh), I thought it would be a good time to update the "young receiver that only wants to play for the Bengals" file. A fan, or fans, created a new fan page that asks the Bengals to draft outstanding UC Bearcats receiver Mardy Gilyard.

While I think the likelihood the Bengals will draft Gilyard in the first round is still (at best) remote, if the receiver drops to later rounds, it could go from remote to possible, with the known issues that this team is facing at the position -- especially in the long term.

Even so, Marvin Lewis has spoken out about giving Jerome Simpson another chance this season and the Bengals could have a pair of veteran receivers starting, much like last year. And I highly doubt that the team will give up on Andre Caldwell, who keeps showing signs of progress (at least that's what people tell me) and now needs to show a bit more consistency and an ability to break away from coverages. Not saying it's impossible. But I believe that the Bengals will use their higher draft picks to address other positions that can help them sooner rather than later. Like safety. Or fullback. Or tight end. Or linebacker. A drafted wide receiver would, at best, be the team's fourth receiver. At worst, he'll be the next Jerome Simpson.

I really like Gilyard. But if he doesn't fall in the NFL Draft, I doubt the Bengals will be the one's drafting him.

No deal. Or the waiting game. Antonio Bryant has left the Bengals without a reported deal. This can mean a variety of things. With a scheduled visit for Washington, Bryant could be looking at both deals and see what's best for him. Furthermore, he could be the number one receiver in Washington whereas he's Chad's shadow in Cincinnati. Not that it matters. When Houshmandzadeh was with the Bengals, his numbers were just as good as if he were a number one receiver.

This could also mean that Bryant isn't interested or the Bengals didn't offer him a deal. Either way, we can either read too much into it or just shrug our shoulders. Either way, we'll know more later.

Baker is in demand on the west coast ( geographical location; not style of offense). Since Chris Baker reportedly was visiting Cincinnati on Monday, we've literally heard nothing about him. We can assume that the meeting still took place on Monday and we can assume that since today is not Monday, that he left Cincinnati without a contract offer. Cincinnati isn't the only team interested in Baker. Writes Jason La Canfora, "Baker is set to visit the 49ers and Seahawks this week." UPDATE: Baker didn't come in Monday and will be in next week.

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I’m a UC fan and a big fan of Mardy but I almost feel as if he may fall into the 3rd round. If he doesn’t run any faster at his pro day he will either go late 2nd or early 3rd.

by HebrewHammer123 on Mar 9, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Well

according to Draft experts and the like Mardy is now valued at an early 3rd value which i think is fair. He doesn’t have elite speed, skills or physicality and comes from a spread system. But he seems to be a football player and has good KR and playmaker ability. I think the 3rd round is quite a possibility for us picking him up…. but in the 1st? hah. That would be stupid (it would also put unrealistic pressure on the young lad i,e like Jerome Simpson being taken in the 2nd).

If i was the GM i would just sign up TO for a year (maybe with a possibility for a second year) and then plan for next year to be when Jerome started or a pick i took this year to step up (ie Arreious Benn/Bey-Bey/LaFell in the second). That way we get a playmaker for one year and allow a young rough around the edges WR get his route running down.

by Sheffieldbengal on Mar 9, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

after the holes that were shown in our passing game last year we could use a little cross breeding between the ground and pound of 09 and the spread offense of 05

by Michael Rheault on Mar 9, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt

we could have went in to a pass happy team going in to the playoffs.. then team’s would have been dizzy trying to figure out what we we were doing..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

but we really couldnt because we didnt have the talent at WR.. not to mention Carsons lake of play action with his hand issues. I think alot of teams started to realize that was our achilies heel

by Michael Rheault on Mar 9, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yea it will be nice to have to back next year...

If we can manage to be as good on the run it will work great..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

unless we get the injury bug I think we will be a much more dangerous team next year. I believe the defense and o-line will only get better

by Michael Rheault on Mar 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

o-line and pass protection is extremely scary to me… Seemed like this is why Benson carried the ball so much… They knew we couldn’t protect Carson as good as we should so they just tried to run the ball all the time..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the o-line will come together this year… The group hadn’t had much time together last year and one of the main ingredients in the ability to pass protect is the time the unit has been together. If we bring back the same group they should be greatly improved over last season

by Michael Rheault on Mar 9, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so that’s a a lot to gamble on.. If Carson don’t have time then “nothing else matters”

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with you james.

i think we desperately need to draft the gaurd from Idaho with our first pick in the draft!

by whodeyocho on Mar 9, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Which One?

Kai Jensen or Jordan Johnson. Man I love those Idaho Lineman

by The Dealio on Mar 9, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we need to draft o-line

untill the entire front line is made up of high draft picks.. Skill players can then show there skill..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

T.O. and Chad Conversation on Twitter today if you don’t understand the internet jargin sorry about your luck but i think it’s safe to say T.O. want’s to play in Cincinnati and money is not his main objective..

terrellowens :En route @ Natti land!! i’ll let u guys know how the mtg went! Cn’t go 2 bad considering the pursuit of tht Lombardi shiny thing!!

terrellowens @OGOchoCinco yes sirrrrr!!! i’m en route 2 yo town! holla @cha whn i get back 2 LA. keep gettin better w/c burke so i cn come sit frnt row!

OGOchoCinco @terrellowens hey where you at? You sign on that dotted line yet #justasking

terrellowens @OGOchoCinco i’m on the plane!

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

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If we don’t draft a WR in the 1st, which Is the most likely scenario if Dez doesn’t fall to us, then I’d take a chance on Gilyard in the 2nd if, and only if, Benn, Bey-Bey, Lafell, Williams, and Tate are gone. His measurables aren’t there but the kid’s a football player.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Mar 9, 2010 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

If we draft a WR in the first round, I'll be pretty ticked.

We do NOT know how to develop WR and generally pick the wrong ones.

I’d rather see an OL pick, where we generally NAIL it. That or a safety if the fit is right.

I don’t want to see us reach for a WR or TE.

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Although we aren't the greatest

I don’t think you can say we don’t know how.. We did draft Carl Pickens, Darnay Scott, T.J. Houshmanzadeh and Chad Johnson.. These player’s were all developed in to good players… I think drafting WR’s is a hit or miss for any team.. I don’t think its necessary to draft WR’s in the first round.. I’d like to see the best player available..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

BPA for sure.

Look at recent WR history – all those guys you listed are at least 9 years+ ago.

Brazell, McNeal, Simpson, Mann… erm…

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yea but if you look at WR they’re typically taken in the 2nd and 3rd round’s even the good ones.. T.O.-3rd round pick, Chad-2nd round pick, Marshall-4th round pick… the list goes on… Drafting first round WR’s is silly for any team in my opinion.. I don’t disagree that the a lot of the WRs we have drafted haven’t worked out but I don’t think this is any different from us to any other team..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's take a look-see.

2009 – Crabtree, Heyward-Bey, Maclin, Harvin, Nicks, Britt… I’d say 3 of those guys have worked out and Britt was pretty good too.

2008 – no WR in rd. 1.

2007 – Calvin Johnson, Ginn, Bowe – 2/3

2006 – Santonio Holmes – more than solid

2005 – Roddy White, Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Mark Clayton – 2/5 would be generous

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

hit and miss I think.. that said i think we both agree we don’t want a WR with our first round pick..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno.

I think generally, these 1st round guys have a high success rate. 2005 is the exception. In ‘09, Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, Nicks and Britt all had decent and promising rookie campaigns. Johnson and Holmes are Pro Bowl talents, and Bowe is knocking on the door. Heyward-Bey and Ginn are the only 2, of 10 1st round WR of the past 4 years I’d call busts.

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL we have the two f**k up’s out of that group ! I love me some stripes ! This is why Mikey think’s he doesn’t need a scouting department.. He just depend’s on other team’s to scout the talent and then wait’s for them guy’s to get cut for being stupid.. Alah! A scouting strategy

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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I don’t see us drafting a WR in the 1st, especially after the potential 1st rounders didn’t impress at the combine (Williams, Benn). Tate would be the only possibility, but hearing that Palmer wasn’t comfortable with Coles, him being short, then I see Tate as a remote possibility.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Mar 9, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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I think we’ll see a couple of FA’s signed this week.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Mar 9, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently talks with Bryant went extremely well.

That’s the speculation anyway. T.O. is geeked to play across from Chad, hinting to me that he may take a pay cut. If they bring in both these guys, we can’t complain about Marshall.

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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Signing both of them would be sick. Mix it in with Coffman’s coming out party (hopefully), and we’ve got an offense to be reckoned with.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Mar 9, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they need to sign Baker, too.

Baker, by some rankings, was a top 15 TE last year. Coffman is a big wildcard.

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

As I mentioned somewhere, T.O. has landed in Cincinnati.

Unclear whether or not he’ll meet with team officials tonight.

by Jake Liscow on Mar 9, 2010 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

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I think he’s having dinner with the coaches. I saw that somewhere.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Mar 9, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Reedy writes:

Owens is scheduled to arrive in Cincinnati tonight and will visit with the team tomorrow. Bryant though is still believed to be the first choice.

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

TO has landed in Cincy per hobson!!!!

TO has Landed in Cincy and is on his was to dinner with coaches and Mike Brown

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Mar 9, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Funny

I was arguing last night that T.O. is the better fit and was getting strong disagreement however I don’t think I seen this many exclamation point’s when Bryant landed..

by JamesShively on Mar 9, 2010 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

Gilyard is a tweener. Not big enough to fight for the ball & not fast enough to separate

I do not however negate his playmaking ability. He can make it in the NFL but he will never be more than an average receiver. I do like him and hope he makes it.

"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Mar 9, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Caldwell

If all but diappearing the 2nd half of the season is your idea of progession, I’d hate to see regression.

by bodacio zk on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

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