The Dolphins Are Shopping Ted Ginn Jr; Bengals Should Pass
by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 AM EDT
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PrintEven before the Miami Dolphins traded two second-round draft picks over the next two years, signing Brandon Marshall to one of the biggest wide receiver contracts in league history in the process, reports were surfacing that the Dolphins were shopping Ted Ginn Jr. It's being reported that Marshall's arrival, or rumored arrival, wasn't necessarily what's pushing Ginn out the door. As the Palm Beach Post's Edgar Thompson writes, Ginn "may have worn out his welcome in Miami with his eight dropped passes in 2009 and tendency to run out of bounds to avoid contact."
Sissy. Drops passes. Not very productive. Check. Check. Check. Before I stamp my "no thanks" on this, I would be remise to at least not point out Ginn's special teams production. During a 30-25 win over the New York Jets, Ginn became the first player in NFL history to score two 100-yard returns for touchdowns in a game. The dude has explosive speed.
With Quan Cosby and Bernard Scott covering return duties last year, you don't get that feeling that the Bengals are severely lacking a special teams need in their return game. At least not at the cost of a draft pick and over a million per year. Cosby was one of the best punt returners in the league last year and Scott returned a kickoff for a touchdown against the Steelers -- hey, that's all I need.
As for trading for Ginn, the Dolphins could be in a position to take anything that someone is willing to give them. The downside for that team is that whoever trades for Ginn will have to pick up his contract, with $1,035,833 due this year, $1,393,750 in 2011 and $1,801,667 in 2012 (which is a voidable year). Aside from roster bonuses and other incentives, the guaranteed money is likely already handed out.
It's one thing if he could be a productive receiver in the offense and then contribute on special teams. But for my money, a guy that's potentially explosive in the return game and mostly ineffective in the offense isn't much of an incentive. We already have what we need on the roster. Now if the Dolphins release Ginn, thus canceling the contract, the Bengals could sign Ginn to a minimal contract and create position battles in training camp.
Aside from that, there's nothing here that benefits Cincinnati. And this is coming from a Buckeyes fan.
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T.O. dropped alot and everybody wants him in town
You cant hold it against Ginn that he wasnt very productive being he played in that Wildcat system in Miami. But yeah I dont know if he would be worth the money, I would rather pickup a couple guys in the draft.
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You dont want the guy who can actually beat revis??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dRz9WCgXRU i’d love to get ginn, and scheffler… That’d knock out two draft picks… ( TE and a verticle threat) and he is a great return man so he is worth the money. Guys… Idk if you realize if we get these two players… Which i doubt but why cant we give scheffler, utechts old contract… And ginn, chatmans contract?.. I mean hell we’d instantly be able to get defensive picks all in the draft… MAybe some olineman. And we’d be set with pretty much all young guys…. I’m foaming at the mouth with this opportunity
that is not fair
putting that clip from youtube just won me over, i’m not a big Ginn guy, but watching him beat Revis like that makes me want to get him pretty bad, talk about replacing the deep threat lost with Henry, I’m in
Geez
We’re paying David Jones a million dollars so I really don’t see that Ginn’s contract should be a consideration. He can be had for a very cheap price and we have extra draft picks so I wouldn’t mind adding his speed to our team.
Ted Ginn is a player
I didn’t think from day 1 that Miami was the place for him. I still think he’s got some time to show his stuff as a receiver.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Apr 15, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
Suppose the Dolphins want a 5th round pick for Ginn. What are the odds that the Bengals are going to hit a homerun in the 5th ? At this date, draft picks are over valued. This is where the Bengals need to roll the dice and do something different. I’d seriously consider trading for Ginn, Scheffler and/or Fasano. Particularly, Ginn and Scheffler. Both current teams want to cut bait. Scheffler would give them a proven TE. They already have a TE to develop(Coffman). Ginn would give them a KR and another option at WR. Wake up MB and at least consider it…….
Even if the dolphins wanted a 5th rounder, we’d still have to pick up a ridiculously large contract for a guy who’s dropped an awful lot of passes.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Apr 15, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that I disagree that having Haynesworth would be awesome, but he has the same problem as Ginn and that’s his huge contract. We all know Mikey Boy wants em cheap.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Apr 15, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed…although the nfl network reported the redskins have already paid out a lot of his guaranteed money. the d would be unreal w him in the tackle rotation..along w the bengals corners…just picture it………..
+1
Won’t happen with MB involved but I would love to see him tear up some AFC North QBs.
by UpStateMike on Apr 15, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Why Not?
Can you imagine Ginn in the slot,Chad and Bryant on the sides? Hey we have all these picks and cant trade some for some real talent? look, we are set on alot a positions with draft picks to spare,why not Scheffler,why not Haynesworth,and Ginn on kick offs and the slot,you say you wanna better the team,let some go,Geathers,Odom to get the money to pay for these guys,rookies are a risk every draft day,but these guys have talent now,watch the patriots,they trade picks to get real talent every year,why cant we try that approach,all the patriots do is win superbowls,isnt that what we should be focusing on now?
nobody is disagreeing, but the reality is Mike Brown.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i’d take Ginn in a second. He’s better than Bryant, and much cheaper too.
Of course his #‘s have been subpar….he’s had guys like Henne (from some loser school up north) & Pennington throwing to him. If he had an actual QB (like Palmer) throwing to him, his #‘s could only get better. Plus, he’d have Chad taking away the best CB from covering him, so he’d get open a lot more.
He’s a speed burner deep threat, that we dont’ have. But he’s only 5-11, so now way the Bengals take a WR that short.
ginn for a 5th rounder
why not give a 5th round for ginn. then you could trade caldwell & a pick to the bears for te olsen. ginn and matt jones with bryant and chad and you add olsen watch the hell out.
then could draft time you draft best available player. hoping we do something about a fullback.
Super Bowl + Palmer looking young again
Add Ginn, Scheffler, and T.O. (at a bargain price for one year) to 85, Bryant, and Jones (who will be very good), then not only do we win a Super Bowl this year, but Carson will look like he did when he started his career here. He would be absolutely ecstatic with those weapons. We will then see that Palmer is just fine physically, he’s just had no one to throw to. Mike Brown could make this happen if he so chose. We could then go nuts with Defense in the draft. Also, find a dominating left guard to obliterate whoever is in front of him.
TRADING FOR TED GINN COULD ONE OF THE SMARTER MOVES from M.BROWN
but then again ….you have hardly ever had “that word” and Mike Brown in the same setence. Cincinatti will sign another WR in the draft…probably a pick between 2 and 4 using one of their compensatory picks like they did with Caldwell. Ted Ginn has Chris Johnson like speed. Unlike Miami, the Bengals do not need for Ginn to be a starter or lead the team in receptions because he was never that type of player but in the right system where he could go against the opposite teams nickel and dime corners and safety’s…….THE SKY COULD BE THE LIMIT FOR THIS KID. If Ginn does not have an impact on special teams or if he can’t take the roof off a defense…simply cut him with no problems. Cincinatti could finally have someone in the return game that other teams have to worry about plus if you line him with Chad and Antonio and Caldwell……………………………one word Bengal Nation………………BEAUTIFUL!
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Trade
Simpson and a 5th for him. Keep Quan and Punt Retunrs and have both Ginn and Scott back to return kicks. The receiving corps would then be: Chad, Bryant, Quan, Jones, Caldwell and Ginn. Two former first-rounders with deep ball speed, two former second-rounders as starters and another third-rounder as a slot/4th receiver. Not bad.
While they’re at it, trade one of the third rounders they have to get Scheffler. Boom—immediate upgrades.
by Anthony Cosenza on Apr 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like that idea
Especially the fact that Simpson is included in the deal. Would like to see Jerome put up or prove once and for all he’s a bust, but I’m definitely on board for moving him and a 5th in favor of Ted Ginn.
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by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
trade a 3rd for olsen
lets trade the 3rd rounder for olsen. there’s not much difference in players between the 84th pick and the 96th.
The contract Ginn has
is relatively cheap to be honest.. I’d like to see him in competition for a role to be in stripes somewhere… Jersey sales would skyrocket and besides let’s face it Chad isn’t getting younger so we need to think about replenishing his role..
From a Fin Fan
whose been watching him ever since ’07.
I’d stay away.
For every amazing catch (Seahawk’s in ‘08), incredible return (Jets ’09), or signs of promise (Buffalo ’08) he will inevitably drop a ton of balls (every season), fail in clutch moments (Colts ’09), run out of bounds (name any game he played in), or disappear (just look at his stat line). He just doesn’t perform consistently or at all. He just doesn’t have it. Maybe if he were in a New Orleans style offensive attack he’d be better utilized but for running teams like Miami and Cincinnati who demand possession style receivers, which Ginn is not even close to being, it isn’t worth a pick.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
Nice point of view..
His day’s at Ohio State seem to be clouding our thoughts around here.. I’m still for picking him up for shits and giggles..
by JamesShively on Apr 15, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If the price is right
Look at what players are goin for in trades in the league now…holmes for a 5th (i know his off the field issus had to do with that also) If we can get him for a good price such as a 5th round pick why not…with the sad loss of Henry we lost that explosiveness and he could bring that back to the team.
It's not frothing
it’s realizing that you could possibly pick up some decent talent at a reasonable price. At the time the Bengals signed Benson wasn’t he considered another team’s draft bust ? Ginn was highly rated when he came out. He’s only 25. If you gave me a choice between drafting in round 5 or Ginn. I’d take Ginn. I know I’m being redundant but I would also trade a #4 to Denver for Tony Scheffler. I just wish for once the Bengals would get out of their conservative box and try upgrading by adding experience. Is it out of the realm of possibility that Ginn could come here and blossom ? And if not what’s the downside, a missed opportunity in round 5. David Jones(recently signed) was drafted by NO in round 5 that the Bengals picked up on waivers.
Totally with you on that
Ginn is, without question, worth the risk of a 5th round pick. In addition, giving up a draft pick for Scheffler (HE IS A BEAST!) is what I hope the Bengals do. They are not losing a pick since they will more than likely need to use an early pick on a TE, anyway. They are getting a proven NFL player rather than a college player who may not pan out. Add this to the possibility that the Bengals could get T.O. for a bargain one-year deal. What if Mike Brown really floors us and does that, too? This infusion to the team would make Palmer giddy and our Offense would be utterly terrifying to ANY Defense. LET’S GET A RING!!!
Problem is
The price isn’t reasonable. We’d still have to pick up his contract that was way to big to begin with, plus a draft pick.
This is our year!
Anyone else think using Scott as a KR isn't best case scenario?
Putting aside the fact that I think Ginn still has a chance to be a solid contributor in a new environment and has field stretching speed we still lack, I think special teams alone makes Ginn worth a 5th.
Think about this. Last year, and we have no reason to expect change really, the Bengals pounded and pounded the football. When Benson got nicked we relied on BScott to carry the load and he delivered fairly well. That’s the thing, Scott is a good RUNNING BACK, we need him fresh for carries to spell Ced and to make the occasional explosive play to the outside.
Yes, Scott is the best return guy we’ve had in years, but if we can bring in another KR who is at least as good, and many would argue (myself included), even better, why not do that and let Scott effect the game running the ball. Lest we not forget Caldwell’s game losing fumble when he had to be on the field because Scott was cramping from being overworked
Or we could switch Ginn and Scott as needed.
I can see having Scott catch the ball and fake or actually hand off the ball to Ginn as he blazes around the edge.
The more I read about having Ginn the more it makes sense. Get Ginn and suddenly Dez isn’t as big a need and we can then focus on Mays or Iupati. But what if we do see Dez drop? Do you say screw it and grab him anyway? Seems unlikely.
by UpStateMike on Apr 16, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
A 5th for Ginn??
I’d take it just because of what he brings on ST. Plus it would get Scott more touches on offense.
Maybe it’s my OSU homerism coming out. I did recently state that I would not have minded having Santonio in stripes, despite the fact that he was a Stooler.
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 16, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions
LOL for any of you that did want Ginn.. thank GOD you didnt get him.
Comming from a true Miami fan.. the kid sucks. Enjoy this vid.
Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please?
The 3 Stooges have officially returned to the trifecta in my book.
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Henne is the QB of the Miami Dolphins.
Marshall, Hartline, Bess.. Now can we still go snag Bowe as well? Please?
The 3 Stooges have officially returned to the trifecta in my book.
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