Wilson: Pittsburgh TE Dorin Dickerson Under Consideration For Bengals Second Round Pick

by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT in NFL Draft

When you woke up this morning, I know what you thought to yourself. Boy, I hope we can have a break from all of the Tight End conversation today. Right? Ha.

According to Aaron Wilson, the Bengals interest in Pittsburgh Tight End Dorin Dickerson just isn't strong, the Bengals are actively considering using their second round pick for Dickerson. One major selling point for the Bengals is something Wilson wrote: "he could be used at several positions, including fullback, H-back and possibly as a slot wide receiver." Aside from the whole slot receiver deal, the Bengals could view Dickerson as an eventual Reggie Kelly replacement, due to the fact that Kelly plays in the backfield as much as he has on the line in recent seasons.

And even though Reggie Kelly is a high priority for the team, he still isn't signed. Kelly's biggest hurdle was cleared last week when the Bengals watched the Tight End test his surgically-repaired Achilles Tendon. What better way to train Kelly's replacement than having Kelly as the kid's mentor?

The interest in Dickerson isn't surprising. Less than two weeks ago, Joe Reedy wrote that Cincinnati asked for medical files on Dickerson, Oklahoma's Jermaine Gresham and Florida's Aaron Hernandez.

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I am sorry. I don’t see this happening. Period. The guy is 6’2" 230. He is not a TE at all.
Let’s look at what we like from our TE’s
All 6 TE’s last year were 6’3" 255+

If we are going to draft a TE that can stretch the field, then why don’t we go after Gresham? He is the best field stretching TE.

I for one don’t want either TE and would rather watch us progress Chase Coffman but really Dorin Dickerson?

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions

Dickerson

is every bit as athletic and fast as WRs like Anquan Boldin or Andre Johnson and, yet, he’s the size of a prototypical OLB. No, he’s not a typical, line up next to the tackle and blast you tight end but he’s a tenacious blocker and, in terms of stretching the field, outclasses Gresham. That and he’s probably available in the second round, unlike Gresham.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions

Lets not get carried away

Andre Johnson is one of the top 2-3 WRs in the league. Dickerson, while very versatile and athletic, is not in his league.

by Peko94 on Apr 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

He can gain some weight too and still be versatile enough to do all of the above… I think I might like this pick. I’ll have to debate and read up more on this one.

by WHYUS!! on Apr 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Hope you guy's pass on Dickerson

Bratkowski typically doesn’t use a TE but this Dickerson kid has talent and would be an excellent y-flex TE in the Dallas Clark mold if used properly.

by Ravens One on Apr 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

He's an interesting player

and I think he could do a lot for a team with an innovative OC (ie, not the Bengals). For us, however, he just seems like another project. If we end up drafting him I’ll be interested to see what he can do, but I don’t think this guy is the kind of immediate help at TE that we need.

I know it’s still early, but am I the only one getting a little frustrated that this team seems to want to do everything but solve this problem? Don’t get a recieving TE who can’t block, when you know full well thats what you want out of a TE. Don’t get a guy who plays HB, WR, and LB in addition to TE. Just get a damn TE. It should be so simple.

by Jaegner on Apr 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions

This is the best summary of our TE woes that I have seen yet.

by Todd G on Apr 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions

i agree

just draft a TE who is a TE. Even if it is a guy like Jake Ballard in the late rounds. I prefer someone a bit more tantalizing, but this is spot on.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Apr 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions

He'd have to put on weight

and hopefully the twenty or so plus pounds wouldn’t take away from his athleticism. His route running isn’t spot on, but he can still be a handful for linebackers as an in-line receiver or catching passes out of the backfield as a FB or H-back. His blocking ability is very solid though. At the end of the day I think he is really talented but just one of those players who skill set doesn’t translate to every team’s system meaning he will have to a team that can be creative for him.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions

Stupid

This guy isn’t the answer to the TE situation. Either they get Gresham in the 1st or Anthony McCoy from USC in the third. Those are the most ready to play TE’s in the draft. Not some other project who can play 28 positions and won’t see the field. I’d be pissed if this guy was the 2nd pick.

by Anthony Cosenza on Apr 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

Dickerson

He is interesting but he’s no Kelly clone and this is where it’s all wrong. He’s way to small as a TE and he wouldn’t be a good FB at all unless he’s just an outlet receiver from that position.

To me he’s a WR so compare him to WR’s. This pick makes no sense at all unless they draft him as a WR. Nothing wrong with looking over all the options but this is the wrong direction with consideration of drafting Dickerson in the 2nd round as a WR.

One thing these coaches are bad about is moving all these players in all kinds of different directions and they can’t build continuity doing this. It’s like scrambled eggs and they can’t master a position doing this.

by reyrey58 on Apr 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

Gronkowski

He is the only choice at TE.

by WesleyM on Apr 16, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

Gronkowski

I’m a proponent of Gronkowski as well, his injury is a legitimate concern though. Him and McCoy are my two top choices.

by Jaegner on Apr 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Nah

I’m in Tucson and all the coverage has indicated that it was an isolated thing that was fixed in surgery. He’s good to go, and is a top 15 caliber talent. If we don’t pick him up in the second round I will be pissed.

by WesleyM on Apr 16, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

If the guy can legitimately block, and if there’s at least a reasonable chance BratWorst will finally be gone for 2011, then I’m game for grabbing him.

by FriarBob on Apr 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

Bengals Are Idiots!!!

How do you not give a 5th rd oick to get Ted Ginn Jr,what are you stupid monkeys doing with those banana peels after your done eating them,smoking them?..idiots

by Primal on Apr 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

RE:

You’re going to be upset about not getting Ginn? I don’t know. I just never saw the appeal as an NFL player. And we have our return guys. I never saw the point. But I know I’m totally in the minority here.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.

by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 16, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

ESPN Reporting...

49ers give Dolphins a 5th round pick for Ted Ginn Jr,hey Mike Brown,you truely are the Clown in this league,you had a chance to get Ginn for practically nothing,what are you plans when Chads gone after next year,bringing back Coles perhaps?..idiot

by Primal on Apr 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions

dude....

Tedd Ginn’s not that good of a WR…. sorry but they’re not coughing up a draft pick for a kick returner…

Why are the dolphins willing to give up a 5th rounder for Ginn…..and it’s not cuz they acquired Marshall, it’s because he’s a Bust…..

You don’t give up the 9th overall pick 3 years later for a fifth rounder unless they’re a bust…

Sorry dude, gonna have to strongly disagree with you. They spent plenty of cash in FA on a wideout, and very well could be in position to get Dez Bryant.

You can call him an idiot if you want, but he did go out and spend money for one of the best available FA receivers on the market.

You build your team through the draft. Time and time and time again you see teams get burned trading away their draft picks…. Marvin Lewis is a firm believer in building the team through the draft. And they’re going to continue to build and mold the team that way.

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Ted Ginn 3 year averages: Catches = 42.67; Yards = 554.67; TD’s = 1.67; 16 games.

Dominating KOR yardage means your team was getting scored on too much….. see Glenn Holt.

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

ok,lets debate..

All I have heard is Dez Bryant from you guys,sooo where was Dez suppose to play? Can you say slot? What did Revis do to Chad,make him look silly on one on one? Whos gonna play slot this year,Caidwell? Are You Guys Serious? Ginn was in a offense that very seldom uses its WR’s,the guy is a threat on kickoffs,and oh yeah,ask Revis who makes him look silly when matched up against in only 2 yrs in the NFL,and Ginn would be a lock to play the slot,hey we got all these draft picks this year,can you tell me where there all gonna play and isnt the focus on doing whatevers possible to better the team,look how the Patriots trade picks and get real talent,all there doing is winning Superbowls,shouldnt that be our focus too?

by Primal on Apr 16, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

1. Ginn is not a real talent
2. Ginn doesn’t have good enough hands to be a slot receiver.
3. Caldwell played great in the slot for us when Henry was still around. If I remember right, he won us a couple of games.

Getting back to the Dickerson conversation, I’m going to say pass. Here’s the Mocking the Draft scouting report on him. He doesn’t sound like a good fit for us.

Weaknesses: For as many positions as Dickerson may have, he may have none. He’s not fast or agile enough to be a wide receiver. He’s not tall or strong enough to be a tight end. He’s a little too unproven to be a true H-back. Dickerson is never going to get taller, so he’ll have to add strength. Seems like a project player.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

damn 9

guess we’ll see, he can’t be worse than RockHandCoats can he????

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 16, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

haha, that sounded harsh didn’t it? Ginn’s not the game changer that the Dolphins were hoping for, that’s all I meant. Talented speed wise, but not so much as a receiver. He could pan out someday, I’d just rather not be the team that waits for him to do it.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 16, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Antonio Bryant in the Slot…. Dez and Ocho outside.

Plus, Jermaine Gresham could be the pick at #21, which would give us a legitimate threat over the middle, that is unless this quote/speculation has any merit:

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2010/4/16/1426500/marvin-lewis-questions-about-tight

If they trade their 3rd round pick for Tony Scheffler, that would be another legitimate threat over the middle, too, right? And why no love for Caldwell and Quan Cosby as your slot guys?

If they wanted Ted Ginn they would have made an offer, we still don’t know if they did or didn’t. What we do know is that they aren’t finished in they’re goal to “overhaul” their passing game.

Dez likely won’t fall to #21 so it really won’t matter. But if they can get Scheffler or Gresham…. or Eric Decker or even Jordan Shipley… they’ll have their threat over the middle.

Sorry, i’m not trying to rag on you, dog. We all wanna see them hoist the Lombardi….. badly. But i think Marvin made it pretty clear that they plan to build the team through draft, which is why you never see them trade picks unless they’re really desperate.

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 16, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

RE: @Primal

Bernard Scott AVERAGED seven more yards than Ginn in 2009 on kickoff returns. Quan Cosby averaged six yards more than Ginn on punt returns in 2009.

Laveranues Coles had a better yard/reception and yard/game averages on offense. His five touchdowns last year equals Ginn’s total TDs on offense.

And Ted Ginn was ranked fourth in the NFL with having the most drops in the league (per Stats Inc.).

I admire your passion for Ginn — I like him, being a former Buckeye — but my point is, what does he bring that we don’t already have?

Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.

by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 16, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

same old same old MB is sooooo predictible......

I would much rather have Ted Ginn than Maurice Mann, Adam Keift, Khalid Abdullah, etc. (all 5th round picks during MLewis era. Part of the problam with the team is they are always one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Why ? Because this front office has no immagination. Last year they went out of the box and signed a couple of vets(on the cheap) in Tank and Roy. Is it a co incidence that they defense also improved ? Ginn would have given them an instant dangerous kick returner and I believe in the right situation he could blossom as a reciever. For the price of a 5th round pick and Mike Brown lets the opportunity pass him by……..

by redberkey on Apr 16, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions

RE:

“Ginn would have given them an instant dangerous kick returner”

I understand the point, but as said above, Scott and Cosby produced better averages in KO and punt return respectively. Plus, yes, they’re cheaper.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.

by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 16, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I think we're all dancing around the obvious.

Smoke screen, anybody?

How often do teams let it slip that they legitimately want to pick a player, when that player could be generating interest from teams picking before them?

by Jaegner on Apr 16, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions

same old same old part II.......

kudos to Jaegner above. We need a TE. Let’s reach in the draft and get another Sean Brewer (remember that 3rd round bust). Denver is going to get rid of Tony Scheffler. Great reciever,mediocre blocker. They want a 3rd, they will end up taking a 4th. Think about it, for a 4th round pick we could get an experience TE who is only 26 with a proven track record. It would add a dimension to the offense that it doesn’t have. They could use the rest of the draft to add depth and pick the best player available. This makes too much sense to me. But MB won’t do it. Draft picks are a precious commodity. So instead of getting a proven performer at a cheap price, he’ll keep the picks and draft somemore Jerome Simpsons, Dennis Weathersby,Lamont Thompson,etc.

by redberkey on Apr 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions

not so fast my friend..

Tony Scheffler would only be a one year fill in,hes a FA after this year,I wouldnt give any draft choice for that,but Olsen from the Bears may be avalible,but its the Bengals,we dont do better the team,we do “can we get cheaper cookies from the girl scouts thang”.

by Primal on Apr 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

There is a possibility that they could renegotiate his contract or re-sign him next year. If he flew the coup, I believe they would be rewarded a compensation pick. No ?

by redberkey on Apr 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

ONE MORE GINN ARGUMENT

then i’m done…..

We don’t know if Cincy offered a 5th rounder as well, but even if they did, SanFran picks higher in the draft than Cincy.

SO if you’re Miami and Cincy offers you the 152nd pick, and SanFran offers you the 145th pick…..Which one will you choose?????

We’re arguing a moot point about Ginn….

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 16, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

It is a moot point.....

however, the Bengals could have countered with their 5th this year and a conditional pick in 2011 based on Ginn’s performance, in the 6-7th round area. But as you said, it’s a moot point now.

by redberkey on Apr 16, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions

Dorin Dickerson

This guy will be a stud in the NFL. Great heart and work ethic. He may not have the height of a typical TE, but he will overcome it. Line him up at RB. FB, TE, Slot or Special Teams and he will make plays. He was moved all around at PIT and never complained once.

by Seapit on Apr 17, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions