More Trojans to the Rescue?
I don't buy the garbage that Dez Bryant is going to fall all the way to Slot #21. I think some team will grab him in the Top 15. A failed drug test didn't keep the Vikings from drafting Percy Harvin last year, and there certainly won't be a team afraid of this "agent contact" issue (the Bengals weren't - Andre Smith).
And then there's this:
04/16/2010 - As the 2010 NFL draft inches closer, the Falcons could be preparing to pull off a major shocker. While most of the buildup to the draft has centered on improving the defense, it might be wise to think out of that defensive box. The Falcons have thoroughly scouted the linebacker and center positions. A lot of mock drafters have the Falcons taking either Missouri linebacker Sean Weatherspoon, Florida center Maurkice Pouncey or Michigan defensive end Brandon Graham. But a shocker pick could be Oklahoma tight end Jermaine Gresham, who was in Flowery Branch on April 8 for a private workout and a meet and greet with the offensive coaches. He did not play last season after having knee surgery, but flashed enough over his career to be compared to Kellen Winslow Sr. by Gil Brandt, the legendary former personnel man of the Dallas Cowboys who's an analyst for NFL.com and Sirius radio. Most of the mock drafts have Gresham going to the Cincinnati Bengals, who have the 21st pick in the draft, two slots behind the Falcons. Last season, the Falcons were frothing over Oklahoma State's tight end Brandon Pettigrew before they made the trade for Tony Gonzalez, who has two years remaining on his contract. If greatness is projected for Gresham, it would make sense for the Falcons to snap him up and let him learn under Gonzalez for a year or two. The draft is deep in defensive talent, and the team could address those concerns later. - D. Orlando Ledbetter, Atlanta Journal Constitution
SO much for Gresham, right? Not a problem, a few weeks back our boy firstPick put together a TE Prospect Watch which seemed to drum up more interest in Anthony McCoy.
And then there's this:
Can you say............. REDEEMER? Plus, he looks a helluvalot better than the current #86, don't you think?
Many a Bengal fan believe a receiver should be drafted this year....the earlier the better. While I won't disagree with Mardy Gilyard or Dez Bryant, another USC Trojan with big game experience at wideout is Damian Williams. He's flashy at both Receiver and Punt Returner.
Joe Reedy, Mr. Speculation, believes that the Bengals will look at the Safety position with their #21 Overall Pick, and I'll have to agree here. Taylor Mays only smashes a lot of faces in..... which is perfectly okay with me.
I'm all for USC players, hell, the more the merrier. That system Pete Carroll put together was a draft pick factory for a while there. For their sake I hope Lane Kiffin keeps things going strong.... we'd like to draft more of their players in the future, of course.
They say you should stick to your initial instinct (well, at least i think i so, yet i still find myself erasing the hell out of scantron forms).
So I'm going back to my original wishlist:
Taylor Mays, Damian Williams and Anthony McCoy. "Upon further review" (Czeben), The Bengals we're only a couple more USC players away from being a contender last year. Here they are....
via grfx.cstv.com
via i.cdn.turner.com
via media.scout.com
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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Great post HD!
I"m on the fence about everything, but honestly, I can’t think of many picks that would upset me.
thanks homey
everyone else is speculating, thought i’d jump on that bandwagon as well.
It seems every year we get fired up about a draft pick only to see it not happen (Sedrick Ellis and others that slipped my mind). Might as well get ready for anything.
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by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’d almost rather have Everson Griffen than Taylor Mays if we have to take a Trojan defender(He could probably cover just as well as Mays, too.) but preferably neither. Gronkowski over McCoy. And D. Thomas, Carlton Mitchell, Marcus Easley, or Joe Webb, over Williams. So, no, on the Trojan trifecta. Now, you might be able to sell me on a Carlos Dunlap, Aaron Hernandez, Riley Cooper Gator trifecta.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 20, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
what about Brandon Spikes?
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by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 20, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like most would be happy if Taylor Mays is our guy. I’ve thought it would be him all along. I certainly hope he fills a void in the secondary. I’m definitely not counting on Roy the Hitman to survive the entire season. But if Roy can get us started and buy Mays a little more time, that would probably be ideal.
3 yards and a pile of dust
Great Post
USC all the way man. I cant wait to see Taylor Mays and/or Damian Williams in stripes.
Filling out team with USC Trojans would be awesome....if we played in the Pac 10
I’m starting to think USC players are like Florida receivers…great in college, but generally unimpressive in the NFL.
Since 2004, the higher picks out of USC have overall been unimpressive:
I’m skipping 2009 because it’s too leary to tell.
2008 1 S Ellis 23 tackles, 3 sacks
2008 1 K Rivers 35 tackles, 0.5 sacks per season MEDIOCRE
2008 1 S Baker
2008 1 L Jackson 25 tackles, 3 sacks per season
2008 2 C Rachal
2008 2 F Davis: 25 rec, 300 yards per season
2008 2 T Thomas 54 tackles, 3 int per season
2007 2 D Jarret 11 rec, 129 yards per season BUST
2007 2 S Smith 57 rec, 620 yards per season
2007 2 R Kalil
2006 1 R Bush 480 rush yd, 480 rec yd per season BACKUP
2006 1 M Leinart 3.5 td’s, 5 int’s per season MEDIOCRE
2006 2 W Justice
2006 2 T Lutui
2006 2 L White 587 rush yd per season MEDIOCRE
2006 3 F Rucker 14 tackles, 0.7 sacks per season BUST
2006 3 D Byrd 3 rec 41 yards per season BUST
2005 1 M Williams 11 rec, 125 yards per season BUST
2005 1 M Patterson 40 tackles, 2.7 sacks per season
2005 2 S Cody 22 tackles, 0.5 sacks BUST
2005 2 L Tatupu 95 tackles, 1.5 sacks
I didn’t rate the o-linemen, because there is no easy, quick way to do that.
That’s 4 years work of top 3 round picks from USC. A total of 21 guys drafted….and i’m seeing very few who one could consider really good, star players who proved their worth as high draft picks.
So from that body of work, i’m not too convinced that I want a bunch more USC guys on the Bengals. I’d rather have good players, regardless of their school.
Because of his injury
I don’t think you can fully judge Keith Rivers. When he has played I think he’s been steady and solid. Mediocre, to me, means non-starter. Also, though he’s never been- and wasn’t expected to be, an every down back, Reggie Bush has been extremely effective for the Saints, even when he’s only a decoy. Granted, there have been more busts than successes but that seems to be the case with most schools’ output.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 20, 2010 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
I agree on Keith. He’s no superstar, true, but he’s good.
Reggie is one of the most controversial players around. He’s a bust by any standard you want to use… IF you look at him as sole a running back. But he’s not really “just” anything. He’s an athletic guy who makes plays, as a RB, as a WR, and as a punt returner, and the only reason he’s a “bust” is because he was drafted #2 overall. Had he been drafted at #22 instead everybody would be raving at how awesome he is.
I think a BUST is relative to where a guy is drafted.
For example, a 6th round pick who gets cut isn’t a bust, but a 1st round pick who does is a bust.
Based on that…R Bush was #2 overall pick. But he only gets about 400 yards rushing per year, at a 3.5ypc clip? He’s at best a 3rd down back who returns some kicks. I can’t consider that very impressive for where he was drafted.
Yes, Rivers was hurt for a small portion of 2009, but watching him, he’s not a dominant force out there. He’s a decent LB who starts, but his play really isn’t that distinguishable from a guy who you could get 200 picks later. Taken at #7 overall, he hasn’t been very impressive.
all good points E….
I do know this, the USC Defense in 2008 was #1 in the country, thanks in large part to our beloved Maualuga and potential #21 Pick Taylor Mays head hunting and thriving in an NFL style 4-3 defense.
These guys played in a prostyle defense, which makes them more attractive than some of the unknowns that dominated weak college conferences.
Mays might not have the coverage skills of an Earl Thomas however, we have two top flight CB’s and a couple of decent nickel corners as well. That’s not to say we might be better off drafting one of the premiere CB’s, but the Bengals could definitely use some youth and talent at the Safety position. I love having Crocker and Roy the Hitman, but neither of those guys played 16 games in 09.
I think drafting Taylor Mays would certainly bring us a hard hitting, run stopping safety that crushes a few wideouts along the way. I don’t care if he isn’t a cover safety, that’s not what we would draft him for. Mike Zimmer loves him some DB’s, and does a nice job schooling them up in his system. Why else would a 6th round rookie CB have a couple sacks and a few PBU to his name? Morgan Trent likely wouldn’t see the field had he not been coached up to play over his rookie potential, right? Look at the plays he made in Pittsburgh, he only mirrored Ward and came up with a key deflection, and later batted away a potential corner of the endzone TD to Santonio WakenBake a la SBXLIII.
my point in all of that, is simply this: Zimmer wants more talent in the secondary. He couldn’t wait to grab Roy Williams when he was coaching in Dallas, and now he has his first shot at grabbing a 1st Round DB of his own. The Bengals have put a ton of faith in Zimmer, and will likely be listening to him in Warroom come 9:45pm tomorrow night. I won’t be surprised if Mays is our guy in the First ROund, nor will I be disappointed.
As for Rucker and Rivers: I dont’ think you’re doing Rucker any justice showing his stats in annual averages, nor Rivers. Rucker has been hurt most of his career. It’s hard to call that Bust material. Obviously Marvin Lewis sees something in Rucker that made him keep Frostee on the roster. Rucker makes plays when he’s on the field, you can’t deny it. Show me his stats by game, and I think you’d be surprised how it stacks up with other versatile 4-3 DLineman like him. Keith Rivers has been solid. Again, you’re looking at a guy that played in a 4-3 for four years, and was easily inserted as a starting WILL backer as a rookie. You just can’t do that with any old draft pick. Rivers stats are skewed as well. He only played half of a season thanks to HInes Ward, but with a season and a half experience he’s doing a fine job sealing off the corners, run defense in general and in TE coverage.
Stats are not the true measure of a player. That’s why small school “phenoms” fall flat on their faces when thrown on a field full of talent.
For the sake of the post, i threw in Damian Williams. Honestly, the only Trojan I really hope we get is Mays. McCoy and Williams are both solid and I definitely wouldn’t be disappointed if we got either of them.
One more thing – thanks for the debate btw, that’s the point of my post, i wasn’t looking for 100% agreement by any means – based on your chart of 1st – 3rd rounders, 5 of 21 players are BUST, right? So, that would mean any team drafting a USC player has a 76% chance of nabbing a non-BUST? Those are pretty good odds since some say 50% of draft picks are Busts….(watch I’ll get killed for that last comment).
I believe in Zimmer’s Defense. If he wants Taylor Mays in btwn the hashes, then i sure as hell do as well.
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by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 21, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope we draft good players. And i hope the warroom isn’t dominated by Mikey B. If they come from USC or CSU i don’t really care. As long as they do well. I just think that for as highly touted as USC is, and for as many high draft picks that they’ve generated in the last 1/2 decade, they really haven’t been churning out the productive stars like one would first think.
right on
i’m not a total USC honk by any means. They have produced a number of NFL ready players, a number of which are on the bengals.
We’ll see how it goes.
Taylor Mays, ephram? he’s a hammer ya know?
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by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 21, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Still Hopeful about Rivers
I think he has not given us his best years yet. He’s solid and for some reason I think he’s still adjusting to the NFL. By no means is he a bust.
right on
he gets after it….. i’m still glad we got him.
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by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 22, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions

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