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Afternoon Conversation: Pete Carroll, Antonio Bryant, and the Draft

Good afternoon Bengalheads. There's not much going on today in the way of Bengals news as far as we can tell. If there are any trade talks in process, which seems improbable for our ferocious feline football club, they're anything but public right now. There are still things that we can debate and think about, even if no breaking news (besides the Ben Roethlisberger suspension-controversial as it may be-that looks like it won't impact the Bengals very much, oh and Corey Dillon's DUI) is happening today.

First, let's briefly revisit the NFL schedule released yesterday. Joe Reedy's breakdown of the schedule, seen here, is a somewhat useful tool when you think about the Bengals' prognosis this year. It is easier to think about games, for me anyway, when they're broken down quarter-by-quarter (of the season), and Reedy's commentary provides some insights into the competition (Miami will probably be better, maybe by the time the Bengals play San Diego, they'll have the AFC West wrapped up).   

Second, what would the day before the draft be without draft speculation? Reedy again is very handy and well-versed on this stuff, as are many of you readers, and he lists offensive prospects that the Bengals may go after in round 1. These include common suspects Dez Bryant, Jermaine Gresham, and Mike Iatupi, and a few guys I've heard mentioned but am not as familiar with in Demaryius Thomas and C/G Maurkice Pouncey. The interesting thing about this year's draft, as we've harped on before, is that the Bengals could be okay picking up any of these guys. The same could be said for Taylor Mays, Earl Thomas, Jason Pierre-Paul, and probably some other defenders I'm forgetting. Will the Bengals go offense or defense?

My question of the day related to the draft is, forgetting about Eric Berry, would you like to see the Bengals trade up in the first round to go after Earl Thomas. If he's around at ~15 or so, it would probably only cost Cincinnati their 1st and a 3rd round pick (according to Pick Value Calculator). Totally worth the price if you ask me. That would give the Bengals a top-tier safety and still 2 more picks in the first 2 rounds, which could be used to grab guys like TE McCoy from USC and WR Mardy Gilyard.

Seattle Seahawks coach, Pete Carroll, is using his Twitter account to give musical clues as to who Seattle has ranked where on their draft board. Very curious, IMO. Just imagine if it was Marvin Lewis.

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Third, let's think about the future of the WR position in Cincinnati. Chad Ochocinco is signed through 2011, and Antonio Bryant is signed through 2013. One assumes that Ochocinco would only come back to Cincinnati after 2011 if he took a hometown discount, and as painful as it would be for many Bengals fans, myself included, to see Ochocinco don another team's colors, it looks pretty likely. Carson Palmer, meanwhile, is signed through 2014, when he'll be 34 years old. Jerome Simpson is in his last trial year before the Bengals seem ready to give up. Andre Caldwell isn't exactly the model of consistency. Who knows what you get with Matt Jones. I think it's about time to find a sure-fire successor at WR. What about you guys? It's either that, or build an offense around Palmer, Cedric Benson, Gresham (or Chase Coffman?), and (Antonio) Bryant. 

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Bengals Take BPA

As Marvin says, you tell me who goes 1-20 and I’ll tell you who we pick at 21. This tells me that they are going to grab the best player available. However, I bet they’re praying that the BPA is either a Safety or DT. WR’s can be had later in the draft. This is the best positioned the Bengals have been going into the draft since the mid-80’s. Good job Marvin!

by Who dey in LA on Apr 21, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I would trade up

This is the argument that has me convinced: We are returning a squad that was relatively successful last year with a lot of starters. I’d rather draft 3-4 impact players that we are confident in, than say draft 7-8 guys, half of whom might not even make the squad, and the other half who might end up being role players.

I wouldn’t be upset if we stayed put or traded down, but for my money, I’d trade up.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

especially considering our luck with undrafted free agents

cosby, cook, pressley (even though we lost him)

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Apr 21, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Thomas, absolutely.

Definitely worth it, and probably the greatest positional need we have (or at the very least on D).

by Mr. X on Apr 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s a situation that the ESPN mock draft had us in. There were two players that we all covet available: Dez Bryant and Earl Thomas. If both are available, then who do you pick?

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 22, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Third, let’s think about the future of the WR position in Cincinnati.

check out the passer at 0:43 in this vid (linked)

yes, i’m about 99% sure that Blandkowski. If you watch from the start, draft “experts” project Dez Bryant to fall to the 20’s. I don’t believe that will happen, but if it did….The Bengals better pull the trigger.

Two Bryants are better than One – HuDey

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 21, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Well we used to be the team of the Johnsons. Maybe now we’ll become the team of the Bryants?

by FriarBob on Apr 21, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with trading up for Thomas

Given our situation, this would be a great move. Why not take one of the better players in the draft who fills a need on the team, when the only extra commodity we’re giving up is one of our (multiple) third round picks?
We’ve got plenty of picks in this year’s draft and it’s not like we have needs all over the place – quantity is not a big issue. We’re just a few great players away from being a perennial playoff team and Earl Thomas could very well be one of those players.

by Jaegner on Apr 21, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree completely.

If we can address S, TE, WR with Thomas, McCoy/Hernandez/whoever, Gilyard, use the 4th round for DL/OL depth, and filler players for the rest of the draft that may be big hits, I’d be really happy.

by jsl413 on Apr 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever happened to everyone trusting

Anthony Collins to become a starter? I like O-Line to always be first priority and I’m not sure our pass protection was good enough last year to warrant our O-Line off the hook and “stable”

by JamesShively on Apr 21, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Right now it's gonna be something like this:

Whitworth, Livings, Cook, Williams, Smith

Collins is a pretty nice backup. And generally when you return 5 starters on an oline, it’s a lot better that 2nd year.

by jsl413 on Apr 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think stability goes a long way in improving offensive line protection, is my point.

Last year these guys were shuffling around and Smith, our #5 overall pick last year, barely played. Barring injury, this unit should really but a lot better this year.

by jsl413 on Apr 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope Smith doesn't "bare" anymore injuries..

He could be in our long list of “busts” if he does..

by JamesShively on Apr 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

pass pro wasnt' that bad

they need someone to throw to.

Gresham or Bryant would be solid picks, imo.

I still think it will be Taylor Mays @#21, but i’m def not gonna be upset if its Bryant or Gresham

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 21, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respectively disagree...

Palmer didn’t have enough time in the pocket to get comfortable.. He should have the time to feel comfortable and make the throw..

by JamesShively on Apr 21, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudepohl is right...

When Big Ben does his thing and breaks the pocket what happens… He damn near everytime completes a pass.

When Carson broke the pocket last year what happened… He ran as much as he threw it… Carson knows running is his last option.

Its a fact that the average NFL CB can only cover a NFL WR for so long. So it speaks volumes that Carson had to end up running for first downs.

Defenses rolled the coverage to Chad and that left Coles and Andre to get open. They didn’t which led to Carson having career highs in rushing attempts and yards.

Being that Carson isn’t the most mobile QB the line still did well in sacks allowed.

No way can you put the passing problems solely or even mainly on the O-line.

by Jaydolla on Apr 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of it was on Palmer

and I can’t blame him since he has been pretty beat up the last few years passing from the pocket.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Apr 21, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a group effort

The recievers couldn’t get open and TEs couldn’t hold on to the ball
Carson was very inaccurate at the end of the season.
And the O-line was average in the pass protection department

The first takes most of the cake while the other two split the rest.

by Jaydolla on Apr 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

And it would help explain why there was such a shake up with WRs. The OL should be better as they will have more continuity in year two together. Both of these should help Palmer trust the pocket and the WRs to make more plays.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Apr 21, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's almost nobody

taht I’d be upset with at this point… Mays? Sure! Iupati? Why not? Bryant? We’ll take him!… You can go down the list too. JPP, B.Price, Earl Thomas, J. Gresham… We’re in a good place in this draft… that’s for sure.

by The Dealio on Apr 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone stepped on his thumb

it’s not exactly like his knee got shredded again.

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Apr 21, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Bengals are going to draft

a WR or TE with the first pick . I hope and I think they will draft the highest rated S, DL, or OL.

by featherman on Apr 21, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Many possibilities

Trading up would be quite novel for the Bengals. Doubt that it is going to happen, but I would be in favor of them doing just that in order to position themselves for Mays, Thomas, Kindle, Graham, or Pierre-Paul. None of those guys may even be there at #21. Nate Allen would also be a great pick at Safety. If they don’t trade up, and this group is entirely gone by #21, then Offense is the way to go. I would happily take Dez Bryant if he slips, or Demaryius Thomas. If THEY are gone, then Iupati, Pouncey, and last on this overall list would be Gresham. IMO, this is the pool from which the Bengals should choose for their first pick. Please.. no trading down!!

by justRick on Apr 21, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Kindle, Mays should definitely both be around at 21

Graham and Pierre paul may be too. Thomas won’t be.

by jsl413 on Apr 21, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're good

9 picks overall and 4 shots at the Top 100 players… No need to trade down unless its a reallly good deal

by Jaydolla on Apr 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but wouldn’t mind a trade down to the late 20’s if they pick up a mid round pick that can be packaged with another pick so they move up to the front half of round 2 to take a highly rated player (guys like Morgan Burnett , Nate Allen, Golden Tate, Gresham, etc could be there)

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Apr 21, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im Not Sold..

On Dez Bryant,or Gresham at TE,too much injury prone senior years for my taste as a #1 pick,but who I am sold on is Jason-Pierre Paul,I really think all the other guys are smoke signals because I KNOW what Zims thinking is here,he knows the DE’s was weak after Odom went down for the 2nd year in a row and Geathers has been a “no show” for a few seasons now,and like I said,he tells his secret over and over,thats hes NOT getting the pass rush needed,DT’s are are seldom pass rushers and LB’s are more of blitz packages for any kind of pass rush,sooo,read into Zims thinking,and you seen it,no DE pass rush or hurrys adds up to No Pressure,read one mock today that didnt even have Pierre Paul going in the 1st round,but,you can bet the farm,thats been Zims pick from day one.

by Primal on Apr 21, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

You can get JPP

later just by drafting Carlos Dunlap, who’s actually bigger, stronger, and faster- and played in the SEC versus the Little East.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 21, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt That..

I dont believe he’ll even fall even to #21,but mark my words,thats who Zims really wanting

by Primal on Apr 21, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gilyard..

is another sleeper pick,he absolutely be a great slot reciever and kickoff specialist,and can you say MVP at the Senior Bowl,check it out..

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/college_sports/football/83186762_Senior_day_for_Gilyard.html

by Primal on Apr 21, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

As Far As WR Concerns..

Why No Love For Jerome Simpson here,I say give him a chance to play Chad out,the kid has great speed and hands,and as me and Jake talked about lastnight,he kinda reminds you of Austin from Dallas,he sit for years in the Cowboys system,and when he got the chance,he lit it up,and I think when you hear Marvin talk about his “3 year wonder starters” that he is actually talking about Simpson,hey all Im saying is give him a legit shot versus Chad,when Simpson did play in preseason last year,he led ALL recievers in yards,Chads a goner after next year,lets roll our Austin out of garage and just see what the kids got because I for one havnt been impressed with Chad whatsoever in the last 2 years,other than “he sures gotta purty mouth on him”

by Primal on Apr 21, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

The guy is just baffling. What’s keeping him off the field? It’s not physical abilities. Can it really be that he’s just too stupid to learn the playbook? I doubt it. Something is up.

by Jaegner on Apr 21, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well..

they only coached him up for spot,which was #1 WR spot his rookie year,so he sat behind Chad,then they coached him up for the #2 WR spot in his second year only to see them get Coles in here,so where did that leave him,they didnt coach him up at all for the slot,so there he sat,after leading every reciever in preaseason last year,I mean Carson did him dirty,he went to Marvin Lewis and asked them to bring Purify out of PS,I mean when does the kid get a chance to show anything on the field if you dont give him one snap and hes on the active roster all year long???

by Primal on Apr 21, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He ate Marvin Lewis’s bag of Doritos. Nobody gets away with that kinda stunt.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 21, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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