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Reaction Thread: The Cincinnati Bengals Select Jermaine Gresham

Well, folks, what we all have known for hours has finally come true. Unfortunately, Dez Bryant was still on the draft board. But, per the Cincinnati Bengals'  Twitter account, we found out 10 minutes early that the Bengals would be picking Jermaine Gresham. The Broncos just moved up to #22, quickly submitting the pick (Dez Bryant won't even be the first WR picked), swapping with the Patriots

Here's my take: I hope the Bengals use Gresham correctly. Reports from Enquirer insiders are that the Bengals plan to use him primarily as a red zone threat. If this exhibits itself this season, I'll be greatly disappointed with the pick. There are 5 tight ends in this draft that can block and catch passes in the red zones just as well as Gresham will be able to. Gresham brings some speed that can stretch the field, which is something unique to the tight end position and Gresham's skillset. I hope the guy thrives here, but what we're hearing isn't so promising.

He is a great red zone threat, and a great athlete, but he needs some refinement at the pro level. He'll have to improve his blocking. He'll have to stay healthy after showing some durability issues in the knees. Gresham is the 4th Sooner drafted in the first round. 

My secondary concern is that the Bengals are passing over Dez Bryant, a top-5 talent by many accounts, that also fits a need. If Bryant is a perennial Pro-Bowler, this is going to haunt the Bengals for a long time. I'm also worried that Gresham won't be the best tight end drafted this year, especially if durability concerns haunt him.

Reedy has the early word from Coach Lewis: 1) There are no concerns over Gresham's health. Remember, last year he was a top-5 ranked talent. 2) "Great talent, very young guy, still a lot more upside."

From Cincinnati Bengals' Twitter: "Gives us more options right away. Plays our physical style." - Bratkowski

What he brings: Though he provides little as a run blocker and there is a concern about the knee injury that cost him th entire 2009 season, Gresham has bounced back well and turned in a very strong pro day. At 6-foot-5, he runs like a deer and has excellent range as a receiving tight end. He should pose a threat in the vertical passing game over the middle for years to come. Video analysisVideo McShay 
How he fitsDaniel Coats contributed only 16 catches last season with numerous drops and Chase Coffman missed all of his rookie season with an ankle injury and cannot yet be counted on as a downfield threat. Gresham will provide the ability to stretch the middle of the field and open up what was a diminished passing attack a year ago. The Bengals were expected to opt for a tight end and Gresham is the best in this class. - ESPN

Tight end was the one position the Bengals simply had to upgrade in this draft and they do it by selecting the clear-cut best player at that position in Gresham. If Gresham had come out a year ago or hadn't torn his ACL this previous season, he would have been a top 10 pick. The fact that the Bengals took Gresham over Dez Bryant speaks volumes about how they feel about the former Oklahoma Sooner. - SI

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He better be

He better be the best damned TE in the history of mankind. That is all.

by LABengalsfan on Apr 22, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

It makes sense for us to have a TE who can catch since we play a lot of 2 TE sets anyways. This a great fit for the new Bengals.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 23, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they let him stretch the field.

If he gets on the field. If he can block. If he’s not just thrown to in the Red Zone. I’m hopeful, but we’ll see.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll reserve judgment until we see him on the field...

the dude has skills. Let’s hope they get him the damn ball.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Apr 22, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm on board.

Don’t get me wrong, I REALLY wanted Dez, but I will NOT hate on a TE with Jermaine’s ability.

by IFChris on Apr 22, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct.

My only problem is — TE talent is there in the 2nd. Dez Bryant won’t be.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gresham wouldn't be.

There’s nothing wrong with getting the best player at a position every now and then. ;)

by IFChris on Apr 22, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count me in!

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tot. BS

PROJECT. Coffman the 2nd

by featherman on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll give him a chance.

He was my fourth or fifth choice, and for the sake of the team, I hope he does well.

by Big Sky Bengal on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

This is fricken stupid. Why the hell pass on a top 5 talent for an injured TE. Stupid pick. Another injured TE that cant block. Cant wait to see him on the IR this year

by ochocinco4pres on Apr 22, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah he can't blcok

what do you know things the pros that say he’ll be an effective blocker knows??

by Jaydolla on Apr 22, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE

Better than him going to Baltimore.

by emeybee on Apr 22, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

we'll be able to tell who was the better pick in Week 1

let’s hope Gresham has 3 TDs up in Foxboro.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Apr 22, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the pick is awful....

I just felt they could have gone so many other ways.

Maybe he can catch all those balls that Coats dropped.

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by SevenRings on Apr 22, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Just remember!

Gresham was a top 5 ranked talent last year.

“’he’s a better blocker than Dallas (Clark) right now”

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Just remember!

Gresham was a top 5 ranked talent last year.

“’he’s a better blocker than Dallas (Clark) right now”

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

More quotes.
joereedy
  
More Bratkowski on Gresham: "He’ll be given that opportunity (to start). What happens is up to him.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If he can't beat out the TEs on our roster,

something is seriously wrong.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Apr 22, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK YOU BALTIMORE.

I don’t mind the Cowboys getting Dez at all.

by IFChris on Apr 22, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's look at this rationally

and identify the assumptions for what they are.

1. Gresham can’t block. This is based on nothing. He was used in a system where he didn’t have to much, but to assume that he flat-out can’t is a reach, and to say that he can’t even learn is ludicrous.
2. We won’t use a TE in a worthwhile role. Okay, so we haven’t in the past. So what? Before last year, had we run the ball as much as we did? The system changes from year to year.

Take away those complaints, and what do you have? You have an exceptional talent filling a role that has the potential to be a game changer for our offense.

by Jaegner on Apr 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Coaches say he blocked decently at OU.

He doesn’t need to be a great blocker. That’s not the job of a TE. He was a top-5 ranked talent last year.

The concern #2 here is based on what we’ve heard from the Bengals. Word is, they want him in the red zone. If they don’t use him to stretch the field, that’s useless.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many TD passes did out TEs drop last season.

Those are catches with Gresham on the field. JMO.

by IFChris on Apr 22, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE
Take away those complaints, and what do you have?

You can’t just take those arguments away though. It’s like saying if the Bengals didn’t lose six games last year, they’d have gone undefeated. I mean, they are legitimate points.

That said, I’ll accept that the team’s offensive philosophy will change and if that’s the case, and then they use him, then this will be a very good pick.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 22, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is that those complaints are based on assumptions.

“It’s like saying that if the Bengals didn’t lose six games last year, they’d have gone undefeated.”

Okay, well then saying they won’t use a TE in a worthwhile role because they haven’t in the past, is like saying they won’t get a playoff win because they haven’t in the past.

by Jaegner on Apr 22, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they haven't...

:)

Hey look, this is how I see it. Gresham is the best TE in the draft and if the team elects to use him, fine. As I was telling Chris, if Dez were off the board, then this would have been the best pick for them. But in all honesty, if the team uses him like they’re already saying they will, encouraged by his physical play and blocking ability (which the Bengals coaches say are very strong), then this is a great pick.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 22, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I completely agree with that.

I’m disappointed we didn’t take Dez, but Gresham is definitely a pick that I can get behind. Of the players available, Gresham would have been my second choice.

by Jaegner on Apr 22, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE:

Yep, I’m with ya man.

I’m just trying to put off my crow eating for as long as possible. Lol

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 22, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Told you guys.
Gresham was our pick, sorry for ruining the suspense :(

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Luv It

had em in my draft too

by Jaydolla on Apr 22, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're hired!

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 22, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

He is going to be the primary blocker for us and that makes no sense to me.

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumb.

I mean, at least opponents will have to cover TE.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No character issues

Not a bad trend for the Bengals. Solid talent, high production, no drama.

by NY Bengals Fan on Apr 22, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

So, this tells me the Bengals aren't interested in WR in this draft.

Maybe at 3b or in rd 4. I predict a rd. 2 safety, rd 3 DL/WR, rd 4 WR/OL

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

He wont be there I dont think

by ochocinco4pres on Apr 22, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

With this happening, all signs point to us with our 3rd round comp pick selecting Riley Cooper WR/Florida

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe Golden Tate will slip to us in the 2nd?

doubtful but this draft is a little wacky right now

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by SevenRings on Apr 22, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I like Florida WR.

I’d much rather see Gilyard. I think his stock has fallen unduly.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Riley Cooper WR/Florida

We are going to address other needs, and Riley Cooper is our WR that we want.

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

I have no idea. It makes 0 sense to me as well.

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t question the man…he did pick Gresham after all.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 23, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

him and aaron hernandez were the top two targets for Timmy this year

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats

51 receptions
964 yards
9 TD’s

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Gilyard or Decker are on the board then

I will not like that pick. Any word on rd. 2 targets?

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

trying to figure that out

One name I have been hearing… Brandon Spikes LB/Florida

But I am trying to get some information

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't be a bad pick...

kid has some talent. Depends who’s on the board.

by DonMegga on Apr 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you and I both

I perfer Eric Decker over any WR now. I think he is most NFL ready.

I have heard three names from two people.
Taylor Mays
The Cornerback from Indiana PA
Brandon Spikes

But these are sketchy sources and not the official ones, they are tied up still so I might not know until tomorrow.

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes and no

Maualuga was almost a lock in the first round, Mays was being talked about as a second round pick, now if a team like Cleveland bypasses him I think he could free fall because of Nate Allen, Major Wright and Morgan Burnett.

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tate>>>>than both

but I don’t think he’ll be available…..he is a steve smith type

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by SevenRings on Apr 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tate is going to Tampa unless somebody trades up.

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by "Mr. NC-17" on Apr 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im nervous

Im nervous we picked him over dez and demyrius and hell even taylor mays but I hope he pans out because we do need a tight end bad!!! WHO DEY!!!

by BradKellerDA on Apr 22, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a bad pick

Does anyone remember drops by our TE’s in the red zone??? Granted Dez was best available, but this team is badly in need of a TE, AND a new off coordinator. I am happy with the pick, would LOVE to see Mays in the second round, anyone think Gilyard could go fall to us in the 3rd?

by buckscincyfan on Apr 22, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

red zone

I can dig that philosophy. Who did Carson throw to in the endzone a lot last year to only have another missed opportunity? The TE. I think they feel more comfortable w our wideouts….more so than TE for sure. get em AB! Luckily Dalls nabbed Dez before the Ravens could. That is almost better news than if we actually did get Dez.

by quickslant on Apr 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Bad taste...

I think we all have a bad taste in our mouths from the previous year of TE ineptitude… I guess the thinking is among us that if TE has never worked for us before, we should never waste a first rounder on one – especially (gasp) one with an injury history… wasn’t Dez the bad-boy everyone thought the Bengals would take?

Whatever. I like the pick. He looks like a beast on film. I hope both him and Coffman get on the field and wreak havoc on AFC North safetys. (Please, Brat). WHO DEY!

by nashville_chris on Apr 22, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I see so many studs getting drafting all over the place

and the Bengals didnt get a stud…they got a solid player but nothing special

I am not feeling good about this

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by SevenRings on Apr 22, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

From NFL.com
Tight end was the one position the Bengals simply had to upgrade in this draft and they do it by selecting the clear-cut best player at that position in Gresham. If Gresham had come out a year ago or hadn’t torn his ACL this previous season, he would have been a top 10 pick. The fact that the Bengals took Gresham over Dez Bryant speaks volumes about how they feel about the former Oklahoma Sooner.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just afraid that

Brat will never use him the correct way..
Brats the problem not Gresham.

by WHYUS!! on Apr 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally understand this concern

but Brat does what Marvin tells him to do (see: 2009 running focus). If this is a Marvin pick, then I’m guessing he’ll tell Brat to incorporate the TE more.

by Jaegner on Apr 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No,

he does what he wants to do…
I had this convo before and it makes sense. Brat is MB boy and runs the Offense the way he sees fit. ML comes up with the game plan and Brat prepares for it.
That is why ML wants more control over the team….

by WHYUS!! on Apr 22, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE:

Actually Jaegner is right.

Marvin made it a point to establish the team’s rushing philosophy in 2009. And in Hard Knocks, Marvin clearly showed that he controls the play calls when he chooses to call them.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I meant to say is

Marvin game plans for the game and it’s up to Brat to follow the game plan. Brat makes the play calls, which are not Marvin’s calls, it’s Brats calls. The philosophy of running the ball was Marvin’s GAME PLAN and Brat calls the plays, right?
But I’m sure they talk during game time…. not all of the time time though.
If Marvin calls the plays then what the hell are we bitching about Brat for? Doesn’t make sense…..Things are not actually factual on Hard Knocks, showing Marvin has control. Apparently he doesn’t have to much b/c he wants Brat gone (its no secret) and said he wanted more control… Control of what?.. Emmmmmm

by WHYUS!! on Apr 23, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

So let's keep perspective here.

This is a year where we had the luxury to complain that we might have picked the wrong guy. Bryant or Gresham would have both been good picks. The fact that Bryant was still available and we’re complaining about it just says we’re at a plce where we’re a little spoiled as fans. Gresham could be a perennial pro bowler and the Bengals have pretty good depth at WR. TE was a much bigger need, and Gresham was one of the BPA. Had he come out last year or not been hurt, he could have gone top 10.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea,

Were spoiled…. No playoff wins in 20 years and were spoiled….. LOL

by WHYUS!! on Apr 22, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, they're picking at 21.

It’s not like they passed up Carson Palmer for Ryan Leaf. They knew what they wanted to target, and they got it.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of late, for Bengals fans, yeah, sure!

2 playoff years in 5 years is pretty good for us fans.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wins in a playoff game since!??? Let's be fair here.

I don’t think we’re spoiled, but I’m wondering what # Graham’s going to choose. Might have to get that jersey…

by DonMegga on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sold me for now...

But if this car is a lemon, for what ever reason, Brat, the knees(injury thing), or what ever else, I’m holding you personally responsible…….

by WHYUS!! on Apr 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough :)

I have to be positive. I want to be positive. I like Gresham, I liked Bryant. But Gresham is the pick and now he’s the newest member of my favorite team :)

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was disappointed at first

I wanted depth at DL or Dez, but imagine if Bratkowski gets creative and uses this guy as an occasional 3rd or 4th receiver. He will be unstoppable.

by elguapo09 on Apr 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

or more likely play action to Gresham running up the seem … and he actually catches the ball for an easy TD!

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get one thing clear

Jermaine Gresham most certainly IS a stud. When you’re 6-5" 270, are a hands catcher, and run a 4.65 40, you’re a hell of an athlete. When you can also block and return to 100% from a potentially devastating injury, you’re a stud. We’ve got one. Just up to Brat- or Marvin overruling Brat, to use him. This guy is a top ten talent.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 22, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Rumors were

that at Oklahoma State, Bryant always had to line up on the OSU sideline side of the formation, so that the coaches could make sure he had some idea of what the play was at each snap. That doesn’t bode well.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps.

He’s still on the Bengals’ radar. It’s a question of how far he’ll fall.

by jsl413 on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He probably won’t fall past SF

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm praying like a priest,

hoping that the little boy doesn’t tell….

by WHYUS!! on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

time will tell on the Gresham

But I think this guy is a stud! It also fills our most glaring weakness.

by jampull1 on Apr 22, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m just as unhappy with the pick as I was with every idiot (and I use that word without the slightest reservation) who kept mocking him to us. Even though they were right, it was STILL a stupid pick. Because BratWorst will not have a clue how to use him.

Now in 2011, if BratWorst’s long overdue departure is finally a reality, then maybe it will actually turn out to be a good pick after all. But for this year? Not unless Brat is actually Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and he can figure out some way to get rid of idiot Brat in time for the season.

by FriarBob on Apr 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it possible that Brat hasn’t known what to do with our tight ends because they’ve been absolute shit? Kelly(block first, 0 Pro Bowls), Foschi(FA), Coats(FA)….anyone worthy of incorporating heavily into the gameplan? I hate Brat just as much as the next guy, but I’ll have to put this one on management for ignoring this position for so long. Not that I hold much beneath the Bengals, but it would be utter lunacy to draft Gresham in the 1st, then use him like the aforementioned duds as you might suggest. I really do think they find a way to get him the ball and the offense improves quite a bit as a result.

by bodacio zk on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF you’re right, I’ll be quite happy about it. But I just don’t see Brat having enough brains to pull it off.

Guess we’ll find out in about six months.

by FriarBob on Apr 23, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I hear ya. But I do think this is a considerably better effort to make TE a relevant part of the offense. At least Brat has run out of excuses. He finishes bottom 5 in offense this year and they couldn’t possibly bring him back….could they?

by bodacio zk on Apr 23, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

w all due respect FB

We gave our TEs last year plenty of opps. Esp in the redzone… Now imagine of one were worth anything.

by quickslant on Apr 23, 2010 1:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What are we comparing him too...

The 4 pro bowl selections from 2010 (Career Averages):

 - Antonio Gates (4 catches for 57 yards per game and 8 TDs per year)
 - Heath Miller (3 catches for 35 yards per game and 5 TDs per year)
 - Vernon Davis (3 catches for 37 yards per game and 6 TDs per year)
 - Jason Witten (5 catches for 54 yards per game and 4 TDs per year)

Let’s keep in mind that all four of these tight ends have played in almost every game of their pro career. If we don’t think that JG can meet those expectations then we made the wrong pick. If he can perform like a pro bowler…then what more could you ask for from your 1st rounder? Oh yeah, JG is bigger and faster than all of the above…just an FYI!!!

by Okay on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't think he's FASTER than Davis

But he’s certainly bigger. Faster than the rest.

by jsl413 on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got 'em

For all of the funny guys who say the Bengals don’t like to use TE’s as receivers and it’s absolutely mandatory they be maulers in the run game….can you please explain the acquisitions of Utecht and Coffman? Both clear attempts at developing a pass catching threat, but half-assed attempts nonetheless. Finally, the best fudgin’ TE in the draft who I predict will give us plenty to forget about the marginal talent we’ve been rolling with since the above average Tony McGee.

Yeah, Dez Bryant was the sexual pick, but I really didn’t see them going that route after giving Antonio the big bucks. And keep in mind: Plenty of other teams passed on Dez. Pretty good indication that his personality was enough to discount the ridiculous sh*t he did on the field. Cheer up, Bengal fans. We did the right thing….pretty sure.

by bodacio zk on Apr 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Dez or Jermaine

When the Bengals signed Antonio Bryant that placed Jermaine ahead of Dez on their board. They only would have gone with Dez if Jermaine had been gone by #21.

by BlitzUp on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the pick

Gresham gives us what Dez doesn’t – a threat in the middle. Dez is an outside receiver which would be great for us 2 years down the road but with Ocho and Bryant on the outside, his playing time at this stage would be pretty limited.

However, Gresham gives us a threat in the middle that we haven’t had since TJ left and that Palmer relies on when no one is open on the outside. Besides the ability to stretch the field, he’s also perfect for 3rd zone and Red Zone play. He creates mismatches and his physical gifts are off the wall. No longer will both safeties be able to sit in the back as the LBs take the TEs out of the game. That will free up Bryant and Ocho as well. At 6’5, 270, long arms, sure hands and running a 4.65-4.7 40, your talking about an exceptional athlete.

There are thoughts going around that he can’t block but that’s not true. He won’t be as good a blocker as Reggie Kelly but he doesn’t need to be. The strength is there, the technique is there and it’ll only get better. If the Bengals staff didn’t think he could block, he wouldn’t have been taken in the first round but given that Hayes says he’s already a good blocker, I highly doubt that assumption is correct.

The other thing is he is a sound character guy. I just have to hope that Bratkowski utilizes him properly and I have to assume that he’ll adapt to do it because if he wasn’t, they wouldn’t have taken him in the first round.

by Mexal on Apr 23, 2010 6:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Coffman was the best receiving TE last year.

by Shaun Rought on Apr 23, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he was, but he also came from a spread offense where he never once put his hand on the ground. Gresham comes from a pro style offense where he did in line blocking quite a bit. He understands the technique and can adjust easier than Coffman could given that Coffman never once did it. That’s a pretty big difference. Also, the Bengals drafted Coffman as a project whereas they drafted Gresham as a starter which goes to show that they think infinitely more of Gresham’s blocking ability than the “scouts”.

Coffman was more a WR than a TE whereas Gresham is a legit TE. Gresham is also stronger and a gym rat. That being said, look for the Bengals to use Gresham and Coffman in 2 TE sets at some point this year. That could be dangerous with the hands they both have.

by Mexal on Apr 23, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would of liked this pick if the scouting reports were’t the same as Chase Coffmans. Great Hands, good speed, not a good route running and can’t block.

by Shaun Rought on Apr 23, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea and Dallas Clark was a “poor blocker” coming out of Iowa too…

by Bdub14 on Apr 23, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

There isn’t a single scouting report that says he “can’t block”, except maybe “Shaun Rought Digest”. Average to good, capable of getting a lot better.

Christ, the misinformation on this guy.

by bodacio zk on Apr 23, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wanted dez there...

at 21 you have the chance to take the best player available and it would have also filled a need. is gresham a good player? absolutely… but i have a feeling we could have gotten as good a player for our system in grabowski later. bryant is going to be a stud and his character “question marks” are a joke… he’s going to stay out of trouble and be a beast in the nfl.

moving on…

Running out to frontyard laughing! -Fat Vegas Alan

by GrooveLeg on Apr 23, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

1. We already have a few quality receivers
2. Our tight ends might be the worst in the NFL
3. For a guy who was supposedly a top 5 talent, the character “question marks” sure scared off plenty of teams. Not even the first WR taken.

So are you saying you have more in-depth knowledge on Dez Bryant and his personality than the teams that brought him in for an interview?

by bodacio zk on Apr 23, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not pissed that we took gresham, i just don't think he's going to a.) be used correctly or b.) stay healthy

if a top 5 guy falls to you at 21 you should take him. especially when you have depth concerns at that position and he’s a guy who will contribute right away (and be really good for a really long time).

i’m beginning to think that just about everybody has a character concern and it’s time to get over that. it’s not like dez killed somebody. plus chad will be a good mentor to a young guy like that. did we expect leon hall to get a dui? no… did we expect maualuga to get arrested too? no… it is going to happen to guys you expect just as much as it does to those you don’t. why not take the guy who was supposed to go IN THE TOP 5 to fill a position of need and get a TE later with one of your 2 third round picks?

my ideal situation would have been to take a d-lineman but that didn’t happen either.

now i’m really moving on. what’s done is done and i’m going to root for our draft pick. cool?

Running out to frontyard laughing! -Fat Vegas Alan

by GrooveLeg on Apr 23, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

typed the words right out of my fingers for me…

by WHYUS!! on Apr 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

groovy

i don’t think Marvin wants another diva wideout, or we would have grabbed TO over AB. and i actually applaud him for acquiring players he believes fit his system.

Last year was the first time Marvin’s desired identity was on display, and that foundation is still in tact. His goal was to assemble a team that can win the division, which is the quickest route to the playoffs.

Look, we have a pretty damn good receiving corps, Antonio Bryant’s no joke. So not only do we have the Ochocinco, but AB and now Gresham dramatically enhance our pass game. Imagine how our power run game will compliment this receiving trio.

(And don’t give up on Coffman and Caldwell and Quasby working the slot.)

3 yards and a pile of dust

by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 23, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this means that Simpson gets a chance too. Obviously it’s his last chance for the Bengals, but we all know that the guy has skills. It’s just a matter of getting on the field.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 23, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

How can you not like this pick? of all the position for this team this was one spot that was a MUST! They have not had a legit threat at TE since R. Holman….why not take the best guy on the board? They now have an opportunity to really add some depth at several positions & I think its very possible that Mays slips bc teams feel he’s stiff in his hips and it hurts his ability in coverage….There are still several quality WR & DB’s to be had in the 3rd round too…and don’t forget that T.O.‘s price tag is going to have to drop…I wont be surprised if he’s a Bengal this year.

by Bdub14 on Apr 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I am surprised that nobody obejcts to Baluga being passed on

I am OK with Gresham but the have to follow him up with a slot receiver as contrary to popular belief that was the biggest weakness in our O not TE. If we can grab McCluster for the slot the Carson will have no – zero – excuses. We will also find out if he is the Carson we think he is. Caldwell is not suited to the slot position – he is a natural flanker.

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by JUNGLEJOHN on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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