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Well, the picks are in. In the second round, the Bengals went after and pulled in Carlos Dunlap, a defensive end from Florida. We've talked about him quite a bit, and here's the announcement thread with the scouting report on him in case you want to refer to it. Dunlap seems determined to have a good career, and he's saying the right things so far.

"They're going to talk about a lot of things, and I know there's a lot of things I need to work on myself, right now I'm just taking all that in as motivation and I'm looking forward to my NFL career and proving a lot of people wrong, that's all I can do." - Dunlap

One last piece on Dunlap from ESPN: "f he realizes his potential he'll be a steal here. He is worth the risk at this point in the draft."

How he fits: Antoine Odom was the team's most productive pass-rusher and he's coming off an Achilles? injury. Second-year player Michael Johnson needs to step it up from his rookie season. The team needed another force at defensive end that can play on all three downs and not force the team into sub-packages to get to the quarterback. The defense was certainly a strong suit last year, but additional pass-rush will make them even better.

Then, the Bengals made a huge mistake in the eyes of some Bengals fans, at least here around Cincy Jungle, picking Texas WR Jordan Shipley. Shipley is known for his separation ability, route-running, and ball skills. He's said to be one of the most polished receiving prospects in the draft, and should fill an immediate need for consistency at the slot receiving position. Shipley also provides return skills should Quan Cosby falter. The thing about Shipley is, he doesn't do anything worse than Gilyard. He runs routes just as well, he probably runs more refined routes, has better ball skills, and scouting reports seem to indicate that he's a more consistent blocker.

The only evaluations I've seen on Shipley so far on Twitter come from Chris Mortensen.

1: Bengals take Jordan Shipley. Love the pick #nfldraft

2: You know Carson Palmer is loving Gresham, Shipley & Antonio Bryant#nfldraft

On Shipley, Yahoo! Sports gives similar glowing reviews of the pick:

National Football Post: Shipley gives the Bengals a much-needed presence in the slot. He isn't the biggest or fastest of wideouts. However, he's got a good feel vs. zone, knows how to pluck the football and will move the chains on third down.

ESPN's draft tracker likes his consistency. I think you will, too.

How he fits: Chad Ochocinco and newly-acquired Antonio Bryant will most likely be the outside starters, but Shipley's route running and sure hands will enable him to compete for the slot role with Andre Caldwell. There are question marks at the position, but his consistency will not be one.

Hard to be down on the guy after all that. We'd love the pick if Gilyard wasn't on the board. One last word on Shipley, from SI's scouting report:

Extends his hands to make the reception and offers the quarterback a nice target. Works hard running after the reception using his blocks everywhere on the field. Displays tremendous focus and concentration, comes away with the difficult reception in a crowd and easily adjusts to the errant throw.Outstanding eye/hand coordination, and is a sure-handed receiver. Recognizes defenses, and cuts short routes to find the open space on the field. Effective as a downfield blocker.

With the compensatory pick, the Bengals selected Brandon Ghee (pronounced Jee), a cornerback from Wake Forest. Ghee essentially projects to be an average-to-good 3rd corner for Cincinnati. He provides depth and will likely be the team's 4th or 5th corner going into the year, depending on David Jones' future. Morgan Trent should retain his nickel role ahead of Ghee. Ghee was actually present at the draft in New York, and got to take a picture with the commissioner Roger Goodell. 

National Football Post: A gifted size/speed athlete who does a nice job when asked to get his hands on receivers and press off the line. But he isn't real technically sound and will struggle when asked to play in off man.

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Classy move by @nflcommish. He refused to leave draft until each player in green room was picked. Brandon Ghee went no. 96. Goodell there.

by jsl413 on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

ha, pissivity.. nice

I gotta head out, but I guess I just am nervous these picks wont make as big of an impact as our FO hopes. But they are after all the ones who do this for a living..

Gresham’s injuries have me worried, Dunlap could be a cool piece to the puzzle but doesn’t he have the same work ethic “character issues” which cause us to skip Dez?
I just would have liked a few more stable selections. I do like Shipley..

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Apr 23, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Gresham is more stable than you think.

Dunlap, admittedly, I’m not sure about. But he was the best value there if you look at the 15 that went after him, anything else might have been a reach.

by jsl413 on Apr 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I like the additions. Solid depth chart guys and a lot of special teams guys.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno about easy.

could technically still get Gilyard

Mays went at 49

by jsl413 on Apr 23, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE:

I just don’t know if they’ll pick up a second WR. But I suppose they entirely could.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could.

Don’t think they will.

by jsl413 on Apr 23, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is true but I will make do

" I don't lie, I tell a different version of the truth."

by Purple City Middie on Apr 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Ghee

More I’m reading up on him, the more I’m thinking that Ghee could be used more as a safety than a corner. Good versatility.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Shipley

i think he can make for a nice out let for carson

by casapennec on Apr 23, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could be a VERY dangerous offense

Ocho wide Right, Bryant Wide Left, Shipley in the Slot, Gresham at TE and Cedric in the Backfeild to keep the LBs and Safetys honest with Play Actio.

Yikes. I am excited about the possibilities.

by txbengalfan on Apr 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I know! It's awesome.

Definitely improved our offensive attack for Carson.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is happy with the new toys, I think

First time in a while they’ve really concentrated on proven offensive guys that can contribute immediately.

by jsl413 on Apr 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out

Alright guys, I’m going to sit back and enjoy a cold one and watch the Wings and Coyotes.

Thanks to all of you guys for joining us. It was a lot of fun.

We’ll be back up around 9am with an open thread for the draft in the morning. I hope to see ya guys — get to sleep NOW!

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by Josh Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

I just want to say thanks to Josh, and all the CJ writers for the time you guys are all putting into covering this draft! Seriously awesome work, and I know that none of you are getting paid.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Apr 24, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Super Bowl

" I don't lie, I tell a different version of the truth."

by Purple City Middie on Apr 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Some thoughts

All of the picks are defensible, in my view. We avoided any Jerome Simpson-types, and that alone is a win.

Gresham and Shipley will help on third downs, and I’ll never complain about DE depth or corner depth. That said, I wonder if Ghee will be converted to FS, or if he’ll stay at corner while we transition Trent to FS.

My main worry isn’t about the players, but about the needs that are still there. We need to address guard, SLB, potentially safety…

by Big Sky Bengal on Apr 23, 2010 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the Shipley pick

I would have liked Decker better, but Shipley was very productive at a high level.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on Apr 23, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

here's my opinion

we have made “sexy” picks in the past. we’ ve reached for guys with name recognition or who had a good combine. it didn’t do much for us. i hate the steelers and patriots, but look at their drafts. not sexy, but they build depth so when a player leaves another is there.

that’s how you build more than one winning season in a row.

RIP Slim.

by brandone on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Team Needs!

In retrospect, we improved our pass offense and our pass defense. That’s exactly what was needed!

by BamaBengal on Apr 23, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not disappointed. Actually I'm excited...

Don’t know much about this Wake Forest CB, hope he’s solid. I like the Shipley pick. He’s solid at WR and plays special teams. I think Carlos Dunlop will be a beast. We got so much depth at DE now.
Shipley and Dunlop can contribute right away. I would love to see Gilyard as a Bengal, but what are we going to do with all these WRs? Carson has to be stoked with all the new additions.
If we don’t produce next year on offense, Bratkowski should be banned from the NFL permanently….better yet beheaded. No excuses!!! We are winning a playoff game next year!

by DonMegga on Apr 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

shipley over gilyard wow

im a fan of UC so I really want to see Gilyard n stripes y we pick shipley ova him maybe he’ll fall n we’ll still take him

by JulianK on Apr 24, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

really like the Shipley pick

Jerome Simpson is going to have a real problem holding a roster spot, unless Mike Brown decides to move him to free safety.

by Mr. X on Apr 24, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget about a safety!

either Larry Asante or Reshard Jones would be nice! Maybe even Donovon Warren as a FS.

Plus a back-up G, a pounding RB in the later rounds.

by Sheffieldbengal on Apr 24, 2010 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

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