Geathers/Odom Trade Scenarios
by ak513 on May 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
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Geathers Vs. Odom: Who's Out?
After C1ncy4Life informed us that Geathers and Odom could be traded during this offseason I decided to try to post the most ideal realistic trade scenarios. I personally as you can see would much rather trade Geathers than Odom. Odom would probably yield more value. I also had a hard time with these scenarios due to the fact of not knowing if Geathers or Odom could be effective in 3-4 defensive systems. Well anyways here are some trade scenarios that could be made feel free to post your own scenarios as well always please let me know what you guys think:
Robert Geathers Trade Scenarios:
Bengals trade DE Robert Geathers and a 5th Rd 2011 pick in exchange for Broncos QB Kyle Orton
This trade makes a lot of sense for both teams and would beneficial to both. On the Bengals end Geathers has been strapped with a huge contract and has not lived up to it, while he has never matched his double digit sack numbers in which he recorded in the 2006 season. The Broncos can use Geathers as a rusher or possibly a 3-4 OLB. Kyle Orton brings the Bengals a respectable stable backup who can be a great game manager and still lead to Bengals to the playoffs. This completes a need for both teams especially with McDaniels deciding to bring in 2 new options at QB.
Bengals trade DE Robert Geathers and 4th Rd 2011 & 5th Rd 2012 to OAK in exchange for Raiders RB Darren McFadden & 7th Rd 2011
This could be a blessing in disguise for those who wanted McFadden to drop to the Bengals in the 2008 Draft. McFadden has been on the trading block repeatedly and has not lived up to his expectations in Oakland. He also has a horrible offensive line, but with the emergence of Michael Bush and Rock Cartwright and Michael Bennett being brought in McFadden could be had for a small price..After all it is The Raiders..ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE... McFadden would provide insurance for possible life after Benson and be able to spell Benson with his mixt of power and speed and also would be a great value pickup. I wouldn’t mind keeping 4 RBs on the roster being that Bernard Scott has the ability to return kickoffs. The Raiders also need insurance for Richard Seymour who will most likely walk after this season. Benson & Fadden in the same backfield that would be dangerous…
Bengals trade DE Robert Geathers in exchange for Falcons QB Chris Redman & FB Ovie Mughelli
This would be a trade that takes care of 2 needs for the Bengals and 1 need for the Falcons. The Falcons get Geathers as their force opposite John Abraham and the Bengals get their Backup QB and FB all in one transaction. They get one of the league’s top fullbacks and a respectable backup in Redman who when called upon last year was able to step in with Matt Ryan out.
Bengals DE Robert Geathers in exchange for 49ers QB Nate Davis & G David Baas
Not a sexy trade for the Bengals but it gives them more depth at Guard and a stopgap for Bobbie Williams. The Bengals also get young QB in Nate Davis who may be a little too raw to step in as a backup QB right away.
Antwan Odom Trade Scenarios:
Bengals DE Antwan Odom & a 5th Rd 2011 pick in exchange for Eagles QB Michael Vick, FB Leonard Weaver & a 3rd Rd 2011 & 5th Rd 2012 pick
This trade could happen, but it would depend on the value that the Eagles hold in Weaver. Weaver can also step in and run the ball effectively. Also Odom’s injuries also could make this a risky move for the Eagles. It’s also risky for the Bengals due to the fact that Mike Vick wants to start again and would surely walk after one season. Which would truly equal that the Bengals would be trading a high valued DE for a low valued FB which would be the reason the Eagles would have to throw in a high end pick. This move brings the Bengal a stud FB and an explosive backup QB who can also be brought in for the wildcat. This gives the Eagles a top flight DE to match Trent Cole.
Bengals DE Antwan Odom in exchange for Jaguars FB Greg Jones & QB Luke McCown
Bengals get there FB and a solid backup QB and the Jags get someone better than Tyson AluAlu plain and simple.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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Huh?
How exactly did you determine the fair market value for these “most ideal realistic trade scenarios”? I’m not trying to pee in your Cheerios, especially as you’ve clearly put a lot of thought into this, but I don’t see how Odom = Greg Jones + Luke McCown (or why we’d even want those two guys) or one of the other scenarios…
Well I wanted to make trade scenarios that made sense, these trades are based mostly off of needs, I’ve looked at past trades and positions and how they were valued, some of the high end valued players in trade are DE’s, QB’s, WR’s & CB’s. It’s hard to guage a FB value so I used the Brady Quinn trade to gauge that one which included Peyton Hillis a top tier FB, But what makes Greg Jones valuable is the fact that he can also be used as a RB… Most of the time these trades rarely include players for player their mostly done with picks or a combination of both.. In respect to the Odom to the Jags deal.. The Jags need a DE bad which is why they brought in Kampman and are currently revamping their D Line which would lead for reason to believe if Odom is on the block they would be interested. Why not get a stud FB and a backup QB as well for Odom.. Truthfully it was harder to come up with trade scenarios for Odom bc Odom commands more value. If you are a Pressley fan look up some video on Greg Jones.. if ur not impressed type in Greg Jones Sean Taylor, but anyways thanks for the feedback johnboy
Greg Jones is a good fullback...
I could easily see us trading for a Fullback. Greg Jones is a great Fullback who’s relatively young. I do like John Tronzo though. He’s a beast, watched all year at UofL. He played really well under and awful coach.
I hope that we don't trade either as I love the depth we have accumulated BUT...
Instead of cutting a player I would love to get something in return via a trade. I could see some of these scenario’s. For instance, if Denver decided that Quinn or even Tebow is starting this year why wouldn’t they make a move? That being said I would like to add I think that the odds of us making a trade involving either player is unlikely. I wouldn’t be shocked but things would have to happen “just right”.
I hope that we keep both players, as I’ve said many times. I LOVE the depth we have at on the line. We will have a much better pass rush if we keep the players we have. I like the post though. Its early to say who or if anyone is going to be traded but what else are we going to talk about?
Oh I meant to add
I think the odds are much greater both of these players end up making the team come the beginning of the season then either of them getting cut or traded.
We have a decnt DL but Odom when healthy is the only proven game changer.
Geathers for a reliable backup QB or a stud FB would be OK but we have three WRs in Caldwell, Cosby and Simpson, who would be attractive. I would trade any two for a stud FB or a reliable backup QB.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Kinda what I was thinking, actually
I mentioned that in my post the other day. Well kinda. I said we have good players at other positions that are possibly going to get cut. If you can package both of them and even if you have to through in a late round pick to get a good FB or a better backup QB wouldn’t we want to consider that. I don’t want to see Odom go either. Especially right now. His trade value is probably as low as it is going to get, with him coming off the injury. I say he is one of the few game changers on the DL. I would throw Peko in there from the DT spot. May not have the great numbers but he is very important to the line in a lot of ways.
Really....
Hey, I respect the fact that you put so much time and effort into this, but, I do not see where any of these trade scenarios are actually viable for anything more than cutting salary?? Odom’s salary is not going to be a huge impact this season, so, I think they would take a wait and see approach on a guy that was so productive early on last year. On the other hand, he has been injury prone since arriving in Cincy. Geathers is becoming the new Justin Smith, very strong against the run, very good in pursuit, but pedestrian, to average in pass rush. We shall see,….thanks for the blog, good food for fodder.
+1
If anything, Odom can be put on the PUP list and that gives us another player on the roster for at least 6 weeks. Then you can actually decide if a trade with any one is viable. Unless there is a no brainer in the works. Something that is a mega deal for us.
The Trade Deadline is right after week 6
Just wanted to bring this up. I would rather keep the depth we have unless we can add good depth at another position for a player that we do not expect to contribute much.
But you can see
how the players work out and bring Odom in anytime within that 6 weeks. Therefore you can adjust the roster and keep the DL or not. Players getting hurt early too. That’s a probablility.
Yea just making sure that you were aware of that
Like I’ve said on some of the posts about Receiver. It is atleast worth looking at. See if you can get some depth at a position that we need. If you can do that with a player that you don’t expect to contribute much, you’ve pulled off a great move. That being said the Depth we have is GREAT and that alone, will help our pass rush.
But,
you don’t want to tip off to the other teams what players are as good as….
In this case scenario your giving info out to other teams too. Then they will wait for the PS or release of the players. They need to put false reports out there.
Just like the Leonard trade last year, what a steal.
Crazy
For any of this stuff to work you have to know salary cap numbers and if teams can afford to take on contracts. Odoms contract is a lot more than G.Jones and L.Mccown combined and it;‘s just too complicated to say just trade him for these two and a couple draft picks and a 6 pack with a bucket of wings. It’s not that easy but it’s fun to dream and this is just a dream, this wont happen.
Well we are in an uncapped year this year
That could have just as much affect if not more possibly. Just wanted to make that point though. Since the owners don’t know what the cap is going to be or if there even is going to be one. Not sure how it would affect it.
Seahawks
Not sure who we might want but word out of Seattle is that Pete Carroll is desperately looking for a DE now that Patrick Kerney has retired.
The only names that I’ve heard the Seahawks have on the block is Julius Jones and possibly Justin Forsett after the trades for Leon Washington and LenDale White. Draft picks would also be in play.
No idea if the Bengals will even trade Geathers/Odom, but we’ve already seen that Carroll is willing to deal and shake up his lineup to try to win early and make a splash in Seattle
by Tony Cornell Big Red on May 13, 2010 2:08 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe toss in a WR for good measure
instead of as high a pick next year
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