Matt Jones Says Good Bye To Leon Hall
by Josh Kirkendall on May 12, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
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PrintReports are surfacing that the second-to-latest reclamation project, wide receiver Matt Jones, reportedly made noise during Tuesday's practice. Well, it's not that big of a deal, considering that Geoff Hobson's latest report on Jones was found on his blog and not as a feature posting.
The early surprise is looking to be wide receiver Matt Jones, the Jaguars’ former No. 1 pick. He sped past a heck of a cornerback in Leon Hall twice, once for a catch. Carson Palmer said it Monday, “He’s always a mismatch” because of his height and speed, and another offensive player said, “Matt Jones is a beast.”
Whether or not Jones makes the roster is still, in my opinion, up in the air. But if he is to make the roster, beating Leon Hall during practice is definitely a good start. One person that this doesn't bode well for is former second-round pick Jerome Simpson who, by all reports, just hasn't grasped the playbook. Hobson wrote in the same entry that:
The much-maligned Jerome Simpson had a very nice day. The third-year wide receiver also caught a long ball, leaping between two defenders to pull it in. He looked quick, spry and sure-handed but the challenge for him is to keep that consistency every time out
The team's wide receiver position battles will be something to watch this year. Once you get past the team's starters in Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Bryant, nine players will be battling for four roster spots. And yes, I know that guys like Andre Caldwell and Jordan Shipley are likely to make the squad as well, but what role they'll have is anyone's guess. It's May. Remember. It's May. I wish it was September. But it's not. It's May.
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this is a great problem to have
Too many WR’s
Last year we didnt have enough
In Zim We Trust......Collaros for Heisman
What if...
There is a logjam at WR. I’d like to see them keep Chad, Bryant, Shipley, Caldwell, Jones, Briscoe and Quan. I see a TON of potential in Briscoe, and they’d be stupid to let him go. If they Pratice Squaded him, he be snatched up in a second. I want them to keep Quan because of what he brings to the Punt Return game. That’s 7 WRs though, and HIGHLY doubtful they keep all of them. UNLESS…what if they go one short on QB and keep Matt Jones as the #3 emergency guy. The guy was a QB in college, it would enable the Bengals to keep all 7 guys, and if Carson goes down, the season does too, so it doesn’t matter what they have behind him. Just a thought.
by Anthony Cosenza on May 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
If Carson goes down they can always sign another QB for the next game as well.
Basically you would have JT O’Sullivan to finish out that game. If he got injured then you would have to bring in Matt Jones for that game to finish it. After that game then you could always bring whomever up from the Practice Squad or go out and sign another QB because at that point you would have to anyway. If Carson did get hurt in a game then you would assume that they would be a little more conservative with JT in there anyway. So he wouldn’t be dropping back as much, IMO. So the odds of both getting injured in the same game are slim. And if we are giving up that much pressure then we are in trouble anyway so what would it matter to let Matt Jones finish up the game? If would also allow him to get snaps as a Wildcat QB. Thats something else I’ve been thinking about. He would be a GREAT Wildcat QB anyway, IMO. Another way to get plays and it would protect you if something happened to both QB’s, because you would already have a handful of plays designed for him at QB. The other ones surely he could handoff and even make a few passes to get through the game. I’m all for it as well. It’s been mentioned a time or two and I’m sure the Coaches are considering it. They should.
going to be odd
if palmer’s man crush on jones at wr get’s palmers brother cut. if the bengals are forced into keeping 7 wrs, its a scenario that could happen.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
RE:
They won’t keep seven. Not with the team still committed to the running game like they are.
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by Josh Kirkendall on May 13, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The third QB isn’t even technically on the active roster, so using Matt Jones for that would mean he couldn’t play WR. At all.
No but,
they can put Briscoe on the inactive roster and keep him. That way Matt Jones can be on the active roster and be the emergency 3rd QB.
Or any other player they can keep for that matter.
Jerome Simpson did make on great catch but also
got shut down by Ndukwe on a short out route and a longish seam route….. yeah Simpson got shut down by Ndukwe who for one play was at FS and another at CB
That said Ndukwe also looked really agile compared to last year. Hopefully he makes another leap and becomes a reliable player.
by Sheffieldbengal on May 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
oh and Coffman
made an awesome catch down the seam between a LB, CB and SS.
by Sheffieldbengal on May 12, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Where are you guys seeing these plays? Is there video of these catches?
by sgiridharan1982 on May 12, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to Poo Poo Jones but.........
Hall has never been good at defending the deep ball. I can pull up you tube and see highlight after highlight of Ted Ginn running free behind Hall. It doesn’t mean that Ginn is a future hall of famer. Hall is a good cb a keep them in front of me type that is a good tackler, but when the wr gets even or one step behind him it’s see you later.
only
88 days until the HOF game. I might have to make a trip to camp this summer…
by nashville_chris on May 12, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Palmer will keep Jones if...
What he says is true. The peice Complementing Carson was on the Bengals Official site and Hobson had Palmer pretty happy with what he’s seen so far. Comments were…..
Palmer is clearly intrigued with Jones, the former No. 1 pick of the Jaguars that underachieved himself out of the league last year but has showed up here seemingly resolved to save his career.
"He’s 6-6. A big, fast target and a hungry target, too," Palmer said. "He’s been out of the league and he just wants to make the team and help. He can run, he can catch. He’s just a mismatch. It doesn’t matter who is out there on him, it’s a mismatch."
It almost sounds like he’s talking about Henry. "He could be; you don’t know," Palmer said.
If Jones is in shape like they say he’s the third best talent behaimd Cinco and Bryant. Guess will find out. If it translates to production I don’t care if its my Mom at WR. Although she did have that hamstring issue in 68.
Somehow I think Shipley will impact to. He could be a Collinsworth possibly. I never cared to much for him at Texas …but thats all changed now.
Production was only part of the problem
In ’08 he was on pace for 85 catches and 1000 yards…he just had that other problem…
This is our year!
I know this is irrelevant to the article, but...
Tank Johnson might be one of the most entertaining guys in the NFL. Check out the video at this link where he and Maualuga are miked up. Good stuff:http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81811040&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
by Anthony Cosenza on May 12, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
in a good place...
I’m sure the coaches will make the right call on who stays and goes. It would probably be bright to trade Caldwell for a future pick. I feel Shipley will do great and he brings more to the table.
by quickslant on May 12, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If a guy like Boldin goes for a 2nd Round pick, Randy Moss for a 4th, doesn’t that put Caldwell’s value somewhere around a late 32nd or 33rd? Seriously….who the eff would want a guy who can’t crack 9 yards a catch?
Its hard to go by that
Moss was coming off a horrible year. Caldwell would have some trade value. Probably a late round pick. Moss was getting traded because he wasn’t performing at all and was taking plays off. Same deal with Boldin. They were going to lose him after this year because he hasn’t been happy with his contract and made those feeling known. Those things brought down those players value. More than likely you would be able to trade him for another young player a team has that is in a similar position he is. We could also package him with another player that may not make the team. Not a lot of trade value but a little would be there.
OK, so let’s say Moss and Boldin were traded for the first overall pick, that bumps Caldwell up to an 11th or 12th. Awful stats. Bengals thought so much of him they acquired 3 potential replacements. Sounds like a hot property to me. They’ll shop he and Simpson. They’ll be released.
Classic example of fans overvaluing their own guy.
agreed
Andre is decent and he could turn into a better WR over time, but him and simpson’s values are low in a camp with Slots 1 and 2 already set, and your battling for 4 slots against some rooks and vets brought in.
I never mentioned Simpson
I was thinking more along the lines of one of the players that may be cut at another position. I agree Simpsons value is probably low.
If you look at Moss and Bolden we could also look at Brian Leonard trade.....
Look at the Brian Leonard trade last year. So if you take that into consideration, then I guess Caldwell is worth a 1st round pick. Look we can theorize all day on past trades. The truth is Caldwell would have some trade value. Last year we traded a guy that the other team ultimately cut. That would be Caldwells trade value. Trade him to a team that has given up on a player that could provide useful depth. No one ever said we were going to get a Pro Bowler. There are lots of trades like this every off season and every Training Camp.
Huh?
Brian Leonard for Orien Harris=Andre Caldwell is worth a 1st Rd. pick?
Here’s my point: Players with more ability, leaps and bounds, have been traded for mid to low round draft choices. Caldwell is the kind of player you wait for to be cut. If he doesn’t, oh well, you just missed out on a guy who averages between 8 and 9 yards a catch and all but disappeared when the Bengals needed him most. At this point, there isn’t even project potential.
We could trade him for another schlub, but you won’t see any draft picks change hands. Better receivers can be found in the 6th or 7th, so why pay this guy more?
That was sarcasm
The point being he would have some trade value possibly. I mean nothing is guaranteed. Your right most teams actually OVER value draft picks. They probably would have a better chance at getting another player. That is actually what I would prefer. We are ready to win now. If you could trade him for a player that another team has grown tired of and could provide valuable depth then sure you go for it. Nothing is guaranteed. I do think it is possible though. I doubt you find better receivers in the 6th or 7th consistently either. Anyway the point being that you atleast need to explore the idea and see if what you could get if you don’t see him contributing. That was the point. It is very very unlikely and too hard to predict trades but there could be a suitor for him. Thats all.
Oh and if you end up cutting him then so be it
If you planned on cutting him anyway then your out nothing. If you get a teams FB for instance then you atleast provide depth and more competition at the postition for camp, with the possibility that they could end up being the teams starter. It would have to be something similar to that. Thats what I had in mind.
Nah, try to get what you can. Absolutely. I just don’t think Caldwell has done enough to garner much interest. I predict he’ll be cut and catch on with another team. We’ve cut plenty of 3rd round picks. I’d like to see him bust his tail and work on the things that make him largely ineffective, but at this point he’s not bringing anything to the table we can’t get from the other receivers. Have to have a competitive advantage.
His competitive advantage for making this team is that he’s the only guy on the roster aisde from Ocho who has significant game experience with the team. It was clear last year, that he was a great 4th option, but that he has the potential to contribute more in the future for this team. Let’s keep in mind that it’s only his 3rd year, and that there are a lot of receivers who have really stepped up after their third season. I think there’s almost no chance that he’ll get cut this year.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on May 13, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
dont know how comfortable i'd be with spending 3 grand on jewlery off ebay
maybe its real maybe it aint.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I would trade 85 in a heartbeat
If jones turns out to be what they’d hoped, I’d trade chad in a second. He’s funny and all, but I think his mouth gets other teams treating our games like its their superbowl. I know there’s the argument that its the NFL, guys are jacked for every game no matter the opponent, but I say bull. Early third rounder for him and thanks a million and buh-bye…
by Bengals NFL Champs on May 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you trade Chad you may want to expect the same passing game as last year
He is the only player that has any experience in this Offense catching balls form Palmer except Caldwell. Now do you really want to take a chance with Matt Jones? I love what Matt Jones brings to the table but I really think trading Chad at this point in time could completely derail our offense. We are very very close to a Super Bowl. We don’t need to trade one of our key pieces. Even next year I’m not so sure. If you were going to trade Chad then I think you do draft Dez Bryant in the first. I may be wrong but Chad brings more to this team then people realize. He consistantly draws 2 Defensive players. If we had any other player that could play receiver they would take advantage of this. I think you will see a HUGE year out of Chad this year and the passing game in General. I don’t think you should trade him though. I think its WAY too early to be saying that Matt Jones or anyone else is ready to step in and do what Chad does!
I wouldn't argue
that Chad isn’t a good player. I would argue, however, that the sideshow that comes along with his slightly above average production isn’t worth it (see comment about his effect on opposing defenses in my original post).
Also, what teams #1 doesn’t consistently draw two defensive players? Again—chad’s good,but I don’t believe he’s the irreplaceable world-beater those of us who love this team make him out to be. I think by the time camp ends, there will be a guy at WR who could give us his numbers that we’ll have to cut, and he’ll make us sorry we did so down the road.
Anyway, we can file this in the ’ain’t gonna happen’ folder, but still something to chat about until actual football gets here.
by Bengals NFL Champs on May 13, 2010 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well our teams #1 wouldn't draw a double if we didn't have Chad
Without Chad they wouldn’t have to double anyone. Or they would completely shut them down.
We'll have to beat the Jets
probably twice this year if we’re entertaining thoughts of a Superbowl. They have a corner—I think his name is Revis—who folded Chad up and put him in his back pocket last year. Ocho won’t help open up the passing attack in those games by drawing a double: he’ll have all he can handle trying to shake Revis one on one.
All I’m suggesting is that I don’t think this offense, the way its looking, must have Ocho out there to be successful. And it wouldn’t break my heart to see him take the dog and pony show elsewhere.
But..if we win a ring with him this year, I am willing to buy a giant orange & black sombrero and do the lambada down main street.
by Bengals NFL Champs on May 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats actually not accurate
Revis did have Safety help consistently in that game! Most people don’t realize it because Revis talks so much and he is such a good CB. I think that would be a HUGE mistake this year. He is the ONLY player other than Caldwell who has any kind of experience with Carson. If Chad was let go then our passing game would suffer tremendously. Chad runs some of the best routes in the league. If he has another receiver that will force the other team to not rotate a Safety over the top then he will constantly win the matchup. If Chad it on there isn’t a player that can cover him one on one. If Carson and him have their timing down they HAVE to have a Safety over the top and he will still get his catches. Fact is Revis did not handle him One on One the entire game. He had a Safety that was rolled to that side most of the time. Another thing that people that don’t know X’s and O’s in football don’t realize is how that affects the running game. The threat that Chad provides forces the other team to keep a Safety over the top and not allow them to cheat up in the box. It would affect our running game as well. Now that we have added the other receivers Chad will have a good year this year and a lot of his contributions will NOT be seen by most people!
Trade Chad?
They play one game a week, if they cant get pumped for that they dont deserve to be in the league. Back to Chad, do you have any idea what kind of season Chad can have if someone else can take some coverage away from Chad? I dont know either, but Im damn sure excited about it. look at the possibilities, maybe 1400 yards and 10 td,s, I"ll take it. Chad is a must stay on this team until Chad says I,m done or his production slips because of Chad, not due to being double teamed all the time.
by James Schmid the great on May 14, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Many Receivers....
Lost of receivers this year, I know Carson didn’t have many targets last year but the amount of hands in the WR position this year is huge!!
by TheBengalAbroad on May 12, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
It was the first day of practice..
When he beats a CB from the opposing team for a TD, let me know.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on May 12, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
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