Carson Palmer: It's Hard to Work The Offense Without Your Number One Receiver
by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
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PrintAfter Thursday's practices, Carson Palmer threw strong words out there to (most likely) "motivate" Chad Ochocinco to return with the team. Josh Katzowitz tweets:
Carson w/ strong words for 85: "Maybe they’re trying to find a new No. 1 receiver, because it’s hard to work your offense w/out that guy."
Maybe. But this isn't the first time that Carson has had strong words for an absent Chad. Mid-May last year, during an interview with Sirius radio, Palmer played the same tune as he is now.
"T.J.'s (Houshmandzadeh) gone and Chad's pretty much gone, he hasn't been here, so we've got guys that want those two spots, guys that compete day in and day out, when we're out there on the field, running, conditioning and in the weight room lifting. They're guys that want to take over for those two spots. They look every bit capable of doing what we're going to ask them to do."
Palmer continued when he was asked about Chad:
"Well, I really don't know. I haven't talked to him. I haven't talked to anybody that has talked to him. He wasn't here last year so I'm expecting him not to be here at all this year. Last year I think he was here for the mandatory camp but didn't participate in it. So I'm planning on him not being here just because he hasn't been here yet."
If you're Chad, it makes sense why Chad would say that the two don't get along during the offseason. On the other hand, Carson is doing what he should be doing. Working with the players that want to be here and doing whatever it takes to make the Bengals a better football team. Obviously, I'm with Carson on this. Obviously, I'm going to support the guy that's just getting out of practice during voluntary workouts -- as if "voluntary" exists anymore.
Mark this down. Everyone outside of our little circle will blow this out of proportion, calling this a rivalry, or that Palmer and Chad are enemies. This, of course, will be ridiculous and it will be fantastic when the Dayton Daily News runs with it. In truth, this is nothing new. Palmer has always been frustrated by an absent Chad and by the time Training Camp rolls around, both quarterback and wide receiver are once again the best of buddies.
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Gregg Rosenthal wrote it, so maybe that has something to do with it. I’m sure if Florio chimed in, it would be less-than-balanced.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the point?
Carson’s comments don’t resonate because Chad’s never there. This is a yearly occurrence and a constant nuisance. Can’t the guy just get himself another #1 receiver?
And what about the OC, Can’t Brat just practice his cadre of receivers and move Chad over?
Finally, if Chad can’t make the big catches, why are we screwin with him anyway?!
I love the guy, but let’s move-the-hell-on already, we got us a Super Bowl to win!!
Proctor of Minimalist Grandeur
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I think that’s what they’re working on with Jerome Simpson, who has replaced Chad’s spot in formation.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that they're trying to make him #1. Just giving him all of Chad's reps.
Sorry for THAT confusing comment. Lol.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're in my league, then yes. Yes, you should.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
+ to the 1
love it
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by TennBengalfan on Jun 10, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Get rid of Chad consipiracy ?
With Carson’s obvious unhappiness and Marvin’s contract hold out. Is this maybe a sign that Marvin has wanted to get rid of Chad in the past and Mike Brown refused to do so? So Marvin get’s his 100 million dollar investment to help push Mikey Boy over the edge and give Marvin more power to make these kind of moves… Probably not but it does have an intriguing spin to it..
Well, now that it's time...
I guess what we need to find out who in the hell the Bengals tried to trade to Dallas for Bennett, that TE, last year. I said it before and I’ll say it again. I thought it was Chad and I think that Chads at the end of his rope here in Cincy. I like the man but after this season or even a possible trade this year, he’s gone. A lot of people called me an idiot, but the signs are there. You have to read between the lines, especially with the Bengals.
Let’s all brain storm to see if we can find out who was trying to be traded.. I’m going to do some research.
RE:
IIRC, it was for a second-rounder. I don’t believe that Chad was offered up in trade since the one that the Bengals rejected when Washington came calling a few years ago.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was also for a unnamed WR too.
If you remember Jerry Jones said that the WR that was offered would have been an immediate impact player, from day one. His words not mine. I distinctly remember this b/c I was called an idiot for mentioning Chads name. I wrote in my post that when the time comes that WR will be revealed. In due time…
I logged on with Dallas’ blog site the Boys but can’t post anything until tomorrow. Gotta 24 hour waiting period, I guess.
RE:
You could be right, but Martellus Bennett tweeted:
“Ha the bengals tried to trade for me?ochocinco Marty b woulda been a ruckus. I love being a cowboy tho this is home I love this team.”
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 10, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
but if he knew who the WR was he would've said who it was.
Jerry Jones said he wasn’t going to mention who the WR was. And before all of this talk about a WR being involved, it was just a 2nd rd pick. Then it turned into WR and a 2nd round pick. That is when Jones said that the WR that was offered would have been an immediate impact player, from day one and he wanted to keep Martellus b/c he was the future of the Cowboys. It might of not been Chad, but my thinking is, who in the hell did we have last year that would have been an immediate impact WR? The only person that comes to mind was Chad and he was coming off that 08 season. When he was ranting and raving, stirring up crap and not coming to OTA’s. He wasn’t even participating in minicamp for the 09 season.
he would have been great trade bait...
Jerry Jones wouldn’t have passed on Chad no way in hell.. He’s a marketing guru and Chad wearing stars would have been an opportunity he couldn’t refuse..
by JamesShively on Jun 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What they could be thinking
is getting rid of Chad and picking up T.O. Unlikely since Mikey is homo for Chad and that 85 is familiar with this offense, but I don’t know. Either way, this is Chad’s last season in Cincy.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly
I think Carson is doing his best to handle questions about Chad with diplomatic grace but Carson’s comments are passive aggressive. I think he has a lot more to prove this year than Chad.
by sgiridharan1982 on Jun 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
I think I recall Chad saying Mike Brown told him
“Your going to be a Bengal until you retire” and then Chad went on saying “And when Mike say’s something he means it”
I want to see Chad retire in stripes
For the last decade he’s been the bright spot of this team like I have never seen in my lifetime…
by JamesShively on Jun 10, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too,
but unfortuntely that might not happen. He’s going to cost to much and if they let him go next year they will get a 1st or 2nd rounder for him from leaving. He does have that final option year though. But will MB pay that money for him.
He might retire in Stripes
But I don’t think that he will play his whole career here. I look at the Isaac Bruce situation, or Jerry RIce as a blueprint. I love watching Chad play, but there will come a time when his best value may be a trade.
I wouldn't count on that either
Mike Brown doesn’t like retiring numbers of great players (see Esiason, Boomer) and hasn’t done so, with maybe the exception of Munoz. Just another shred of evidence that Mike Brown is a Satanist.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 10, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No exception for Munoz. There's only one number that's been retired, and I think it was Bob Johnson's number 54.
You’ll never see 78 being worn on anything but a practice field, though. 78, 7 and maybe one other number (Ken Anderson’s 14?) will never be worn on a Sunday again.
Wish he’d just go ahead and retire at least the 78. There will never be another Anthony Munoz in Cincinnati.
by Craig Conrad on Jun 11, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too!
Best WR in Cincy history, love me some Chad, kinda frustrated with Carson, $100 million = 0 Playoff victories? Not on my Madden squad.
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by TennBengalfan on Jun 10, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
chad's made a ton of money too
and that hasn’t translated into playoff victories either. in fact, i’d say carson was more effective in both playoff games than chad. carson at least threw a 66 yard pass in the steelers game in 05 when he got hurt. chad, 4 catches 59 yds. 0tds. and he played the whole game. i love chad, but no one player on this team can do it on their own and i think that’s what carson is saying. and at least carson can say he never quit on a season. chad admitted to throwing in the towel for the entirety of 08.
RIP Slim.
The real point here
Is Carson’s impression of the other receivers in camp, compared to last year.
Last year he basically said — “These other guys are looking good — Chad, you better get in here or they’re gonna take your spot.”
This time he is saying — “There is no one here that can fill the role of a #1, so our offense isn’t working until Chad gets back.”
I would really like to hear Carson saying things like — “Wow, Antonio is looking great and Jerome has really made big strides! We are OK even without Chad, just think how great it will be when he joins the rest of the team.”
I hope I am wrong, but I take Carson’s comments to mean he is less-than-impressed with Bryant and with the supposedly new-and-improved Simpson. And that would be too bad, because we need Bryant to be a strong contributor for sure.
by California Bengal Fan on Jun 10, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
He has said great things about the other WRs,
Read the other posts and articles in the recent past. The most recent one was about Chad. He loves the other WRs and how they are developing.
We should assume
that whatever the real story is with the other receivers, Carson is smart enough not to blab the straight goods to the media and blogosphere. This is impatience with 85, not a reflection on anyone else.
Truth.
Carson’s about as good as Marvin with the weasel words.
by Craig Conrad on Jun 11, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The development of the other WR's
Is more important than how soon Chad shows up.
I would really, really, really like for Simpson to finally play to his potential.
Man, I miss Hue Jackson….
by California Bengal Fan on Jun 10, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
Is anybody else just a little annoyed that Carson is taking all this stuff public? My question is if he is actually accomplishing anything by it. Chad’s not going to show up, it’s probably just going to cause a fake media controversy. These practices are called “optional” for a reason.
This is our year!
I saw a phone interview with Chad today with ESPN NFL Live and
I think Carson, with what was said by Chad, does this to motivate Chad and Chad knows this.
This is how Chad always gets motivated. People saying shit about him. He likes it.
Carson on the other hand means every word but knows Chad will get motivated with what he says. I’ll try and find the interview I saw.
I guess I have to wait a few days b/c
I don’t see it on the site but see ones that were a few day old.
Ochocinco...
will be just fine whenever he does show up. It’s early June, the media’s got nothing else to talk about so they drill Carson with questions about Ochocinco, who’s in a bigger media spotlight than ever. I really wouldn’t read too much into this. Besides, the other guys could use the reps.
Carson has a real deficiencty in talent
Oh he he is ok when he is under center though he does need to improve. It is off the field where IMO he is a real cluster fluk of a leader. Leaders never – never – call out team mates publicly – never. These are OTAs. their purpose is to get the new guys familiar with the scheme a bit and find out who they are on the field. Gage the new guys abilities, check the of level conditioning of everyone and see who you need to cut before training camp. Chad is in shape – he always is. Everyone in camp knows his capabilities. For every reason anyone can give that he should be there I can give reasons why it is no big deal and possibly better that he isn’t. Carson is disrupting the entire atmosphere on the team. He has done it before and he is doing it again.
We have an excess of WRs in camp. They need as many reps as possible. Chad has outside interests. As long as he is there for all mandatory sessions, TC and the season enthused and ready to play Carson just needs to STFU! He needs to stop crying that there is nobody to throw to. If there is nobody to throw to wouldn’t it be a good thing to be giving as many reps as possible to Chad’s backup and be working to get him up to speed? I cannot tell you how pissed I am at Carson right now. He is the distraction – not Chad. Between Chad and Carson I would say Carson is the one who is under performing. I hate it people try to shift attention away from themselves and on to someone else.
Let me ask you this. When any analyist talks about the Bengals – any of them – you hear the same thing. Basically they all say CARSON needs to step it up and regain form. Nobody – nobody – says Chad needs to improve his game and regain form. I am finally beginning to see that Carson is much more of weenie than I ever expected. It pains me to think that but my respect for him has fallen several notches. Carson, just shut up and get your act together. When you are on top of your game – then you can call out others. True leaders lead from the front and they don’t throw their team mates under the bus. I would not blame him if Chad sent him a big ole picture of his middle finger. Carson is going to have to really light it up this year for me to be behind him again.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
they should have
chad has trouble getting off of press coverage and being physical. why don’t people say he needs to improve upon that. he got shut down hard by revis. improve upon that.
RIP Slim.
Chad had over 1000 yards with 2 and sometimes 3 defenders hanging on him
Chad carried a big load for Carson last year. But that is not the point anyway. He is supposed to be a leader and here he failed miserably. You can have problems with a team mate but you do not dis them publicly. Chad did his job better than Carson did last year. He sounds like a guy who has no idea about the true nature of leadership. Maybe that is part of the reason they can’t win the big one. That is the biggest difference between him and Peyton. Sadly I am not sure that it is something you can learn. He just threw his best WR under the bus. It is just sad to see.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
how many seasons did it take peyton to win the big one
9 years. or elway? 15 years. what about marino? never did it. guess they weren’t good leaders. or maybe even as important as a QB is, he still can’t do it on his own. and he didn’t throw anyone under a bus. chad is the ONLY person on the team not at OTAs. Dhani has a tv show and can make it to OTAs, but chad couldn’t work out a schedule where he could film his dating show between minicamp and training camp, thus making all practices? bullshit. i like chad and i don’t want to see him go anywhere, but i’m also tired of the carson bashing when he’s done nothing but try hard for this team. he came back from a torn up knee faster than i’ve ever seen someone do it. he played an entire season with a broken thumb. which is more than you can say for “i sat out all of 08 because i was sad” ochocinco.
i know this comes off as chad bashing, but he doesn’t get a free pass. i’m sure he’ll be fine, and carson even said as much later in the interview. but anyone who thinks his absence helps the team is deluding themselves.
RIP Slim.
Here I am talking about leadership - not wins and losses
It is all well and good for Carson to feel that Chad should be there. If it pisses him off a little so be it. The appropriate way, IMO, for Carson to respond to an outside source would something like. “Yea, it would be good to have Chad here, but I’m not worried about it. I have lots of work to do getting to know the new guys so the more reps I get with them the better. Chad has some other things going on. Thats cool. I know he will here for the manditorys and Chads always in shape. He’ll have plenty of time to learn the new stuff. I look forward to seeing him next week.”
Maybe that isn’t how he feels. Maybe he really resents Chad not being there. But, that is for ptivate consumption – not public consumption. To think he didn’t throw Chad under the bus – and did it intentionally is what is delusional. Out perform Chad on the field. Be as complete a player as he is – then you have more room to talk. But even then it should be public.
I have always been one of Carson’s biggest supporters but the truth will set you free. I am tired of hearing how good he is. I want to see it both on the field and off. If he can’t take this team with the D and running game we have and the talent we brought in to help him – maybe he just isn’t what we think he is and it will be time to face the truth. The car he will be driving will as fast as any in the league. If we lose it is the driver.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
AMEN = +1!
John, you are right on for both of these.
Chad isn’t going to be the problem getting ready this year he has plenty of time to learn the changes.
Carson should have praised Chad for doing positive fun things during his off season. Chad really has been a model NFL player last year and gives the Bengals a nationally recognized face. Carson, not so much.
I like Carson but if he truly is a great QB he has to tear it up and have a pro bowl year. There are no legit excuses not to. Even if the O line didin’t improve one bit, he has SOOOOO many more outs with Shipley and Gresham for dump offs and screen plays that I really can’t see any major weakness.
by UpStateMike on Jun 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure i remember Carson having the worst year of his career last year, not Ocho!
Dont try to blame this on Chad for your troubles Carson, he had a great season without attending OTA’s last season. I would like to stress the word “VOLUNTARY.” He was ready last year, he will be ready this year, Carson knows that! I don’t know what crawled up in #9’s ass this year, but he better be worried about #9 and not Ocho. Carson….you getting a big ole “CHILD PLEASE” from me! You have all the weapons they could get you Carson so there is no excuse this year buddy!
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+1
Gotta agree, if # 9 doesnt get it done this year we will have to agree that maybe he just isnt cut out to be an elite NFL quarterback. It pains me to say that, but hey the truth is in the pudding.
by James Schmid the great on Jun 10, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Before we read way too much into this statement
Realize the way Carson was asked the question, and his body language can tell us more than just the quote. I take it as, "yeah, I wish he was here with everyone else, but what it is what it is and we will have Chad soon.
Carson and the coaches have Plenty of stuff to keep them busy at this time considering the handful of good rooks they are working on to get ready for the season.
Also consider the media is wondering where the big negative story is from the Bengals, in 2010, but it’s not there. They are lost. Sorry assholes, you might want to look at the shitty situations that permeate arount the league. Go interview Vincent Jackson or somebody that is truly being a thorn in their teams side right now.
NFL Live on ESPN yesterday had an interview with Chad
Your right, they are trying to find the negatives and stir the pot. The whole interview focused on what Chads reaction was to the comments that were made from Carson. They tried to twist it and Chad handle it perfectly. He said everything was great between him and Carson. Basically saying that this is how Carson gets him ready, he does every year and that’s how Chad gets ready for the season. Basically, when someone talks shit. He loves Carson, he loves his QB, his teammates and his coaches. Hell, he even said he loves the analysts on TV. Chad loves everybody. It was kinda funny.
good job WHYUS
i think this is no more than a friendly motivator.
9 and 85 always say they fight like brothers.
Hasn’t everyone in here made ludicrous comments towards each others friends just to get under their skin when you really don’t actually mean what you said? Yet here’s everyone acting all drama about a stupid comment.
How does the offense struggle to progress???
“We’re talkin bout practice, man, practice” quoth A.I.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 11, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the interview with Soloman Wilcotts. I know what I saw.
Carson simple handled it wrong and Chad, oh wow, Chad is the one who mollified the situation.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
You are not there
in the locker room, on the field practicing, studying watching film and lifting weights with either of them. How do you know what their friendship is. You don’t. If you are right about Carson throwing Chad under the bus then so be it. He’s wrong, but I have to agree with Chad when he said that brothers/teammates say things and do things to each other and it’s no big deal. He went on to say that this is Carsons way of motivating him(Chad) and that is what people don’t see. They think it’s what you are saying and what the media is saying and they start rumors. Carson does this every year to motivate him. These are Chads words not mine, as close to them as I could remember. So if it doesn’t bother Chad, then it shouldn’t bother you.
If I can find the episode, I’ll post it. But like I said before, it might take a couple of days before they put it up on the net. If they even do.
Nobody hopes I am wrong more that I do.
If the team hits the ground running with forward momentum I will be happy to say I was wrong. We just do not need un necessary bumps in the road right now. I want us to fly under the radar. No controversy and not in fighting. Cool as the other side of the pillow.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Chad "THE MENTOR"
Chad will be fine if he comes to mandatory practice ready to participate. The younger guys getting the reps now will let the coaches weed out the pretenders. Young guys could use veteran mentorship now, maybe Chad could pitch a reality show “THE MENTOR” & come out to help the young guys. Only thing lost now is a chance to improve chemistry. Carson will be fine. To early to start the bickering…This is the Bengals year!
by Vman in Germany on Jun 11, 2010 4:42 AM EDT reply actions
No whats hard Carson?
Its hard being a reciever and trying to catch your overthrown passes. Its hard being a reciever and attempting to catch those overthrown passes while going across the middle of the field. Its hard to win games when your starting QB cant hit wide open recievers. Hey Carson how about you STFU and work on you and your shitty play. The outcome of this years offense is on your shoulders so how about you play better and stop worrying about everyone else.
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