Early Roster debates
What’s up Bengals Fans? It’s June, and essentially getting deeper into the non-football days of summer. Hang in there yall, there’s only 2 months left!
Since most of the offseason activity is behind us, I felt the need to do something to spark up some conversation about roster fodder and throw out some needless, unwarranted utterly ridiculous speculation. Feel free to agree or agree to disagree….anything please?!?!?!!
As many of you are probably aware, the Bengals roster currently consists of 89 players….nine over the Training Camp Limit. Let’s take a look at the nine guys on the way out. Also, let’s see if that number could be ten, and if we could a make a case for signing an additional Free Agent.
While I hate to write-off the bubble guys, I think many of you can agree with me on these.
First, it is very likely that Jason Shirley the mystery lineman is headed for IR. Without getting deep into analysis,(and practically picking names out of a hat) here are my additional nine bubble guys likely staring down the axe:
LS Mike Windt, P Jake Richardson, OL Isaac Sowells, RB Cordera Eason, RB Walter Mendenhall, OL Gabriel Manns, S Bryan Evans, WR Chris Davis, DT Orien Harris
So that would bring the roster to 79 players. And my surprise addition would be…..(wait for it):
Go ahead…ask me…..WHY THE !@#^%$(#$ WOULD WE SIGN THAT WASHUP?????
I’m a big Defense Fan, so this is me making a case for the 32-years-young Adalius Thomas, AT hereon. If you look at his stat line, you’ll notice AT racked up 8, 9 and 11 sacks his last three years with the Ravens. His versatility was unquestioned as a dynamic pass rusher and his frequent exhibition of short zone coverage skills in Rex Ryan’s complex defense.
Like many that have had the opportunity, AT reached out and stacked cheddar in Free Agency. Also like many, the relationship didn’t quite work out, which culminated in nothing more than 14.5 sacks and an early showing of the door after only three years. Either the Belichikian model was not one for AT, or he was on the decline.
Many of us are stuck in baseball mode right now, where stats rule, and the age old cliché rings loudly…”you are the back of your baseball card”. If we can apply that “baseball card” line of thinking to Adalius Thomas, then I see a guy who excelled at getting after the QB (and raked in 4 picks along the way) during his tenure with a certain LB coach we’ve all come to love around here. Thus the reason I think AT could work here in Cincy lies no further than his former position coach, Jeff FitzGerald. AT excelled under Coach Fitz’s tutelage. The Adam Jones signing reaffirms Mike Zimmer’s belief in the scrap iron defense and just might approve of this opportunity. If we are to be treated to some 3-4 defensive looks in 2010, an additional QB killa that can cover would be a definite bonus. AT’s apparent ability to play all over the field make him a very compelling Free Agent…. (In my humble opinion)
So, Thomas decided to do it all, earning the nicknames "Slash" and "The Coordinator," for his ability to play multiple positions in Baltimore's defense. It's almost easier to name a position Thomas, who made his first Pro Bowl on special teams in 2003, hasn't played. He's lined up as a defensive end, a 3-4 nose tackle, a 4-3 defensive tackle, a 3-4 outside linebacker, a 3-4 inside linebacker, a 4-3 outside linebacker, a safety, and even at cornerback, all thanks to his startling athleticism.
Of course, if it doesn’t work out, we have five preseason games the team must survive, and he wouldn’t make the final cut. End of story, thanks but no thanks.
For the record, I'm really hoping we get AT here for a tryout…..
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We have a young and Up and coming front 7
AT was great for a while, but that appears to be gone. AT isn’t worth signing unless he makes the 53 man roster. I expect the Bengals to keep 16players for the front 7. Odom, Tank, Peko, MJ, Dunlap, Rey, Dhani, RIvers, Muckleroy, Brandon Johnson, Sims, Atkins, Fanene, Jeanty and Geathers are almost locks already. The last spot will be decided by Special Teams between Hodge and Stuka. There just isn’t a place for him. For those who say there could be a surprise cut where Geathers gets cut and AT could replace him, that just isn’t the way MB works. I just don’t see a move a front seven which performed well last year and has already seen several improvements.
'ppreciate the thoughts
just to be clear, the speculation on cutting Geathers or Odom make sense as a Mike Brown money saving move. There would be no salary cap implications due to the lack of a CBA…
As for the toss up btwn Jeanty/Hodge/Skuta, the reason those guys are on the team is to fill backup duties and play special teams. AT was an apparent Special Teams Pro Bowler, and could contribute much more on the field in a reserve role.
Thanks for the thoughts, jim0ijk. I very much agree with your take on the up and coming youth, but think peppering in some veteran savvy could be a good idea. We’re probably debating a moot point regardless.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Early cuts
I think Mendenhall and Windt go to camp. I think that Purify gets cut before camp due to the arrest. He had a minimal shot at making the team anyway since the team brought in Shipley and Briscoe through the draft, plus Jones and Davis in free agency, and the fact that the Team decided to cut him and keep 5 recievers at the end of the year to leave room for LJ makes me think that the team will want a potential bellcow on the PS which will be a battle between Mendenhall and Peerman.
interesting take. like i said above, i was kinda picking names out of a hat so to speak.
So are you thinking Windt stays over Clark Harris? I just can’t see the team carrying two LS when they’re probably gonna carry two Kickers
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is at least competition.
He has report (Spelling?) with Huber. They played together and practiced together for years already. Its possible that Huber both campaigned for Windt and Pursuaded him to join the team to improve the snaps with a already built relationship. After Center-QB, LS-holder/punter is an incredibly important relationship for the success of the team. In the end there was no reason to sign Windt if he doesn’t go to camp.
I think that they will have heatd battels for roster spots in the receiving Corps and DB’s but most of the rest of the roster is set, so they could carry 2 K and 2 LS into camp.
if we sign another free agent, we should prolly get a kicker
both place kickers on our roster right now are “garbage”….we could use an upgrade there more than any other spot (other than backup QB).
it comes down to mind over matter....if you don't mind, it won't matter
That's where I want another upgrade....
1 Backup QB to take both spots. A proven vet. We could have another roster spot if we get rid of the 2 flunkies we have and put in a descent QB backup. We really need somebody that can play in case you know who gets hurt..
I just don’t trust Jordan or JT O’sucky.
The Vikings might have someone we can get for a good deal.
Esp if 4 comes back this year.
by UpStateMike on Jun 15, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sage?
not sure if i feel any better about him either….
it’s 9-or-bust
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 15, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I would really push for Garcia or even Kitna again.
But I think Sage is a better upgrade than who we have now too. There will be some out there as the preseason goes on. The only problem with that is, then you pick up a QB that doesn’t know your offense in the preseason. You need him in camp, NOW!
I guess your right though, 9-or-bust…
Why I like Sage as backup
First, he’s good at it. LOL.
Second, he’s been screwed over by the Vikings who pushed him out of the way to go nuzzle up next to #4’s pepper bearded mug.
Third, he’s has some real game experience and can win football games. He’s about as underrated of a QB that is out there. My concern with Garcia is he and Bryant won’t play nice together and you can’t have that in the lockerroom, as it would really screw things up.
Fourth. I hate lists like this. I’m not sure why I even listed it like this. But I did.
by UpStateMike on Jun 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You have a point.
Sage was taken out for Tarvaris Jackson and he sucks. Sage has produced and I think he is also underrated. With all of the controversy at QB before the pepper bearded mug (that was funny) got there, there was no consistency and stability. Can have all of the makings of the OL screwing it up for him. Tarvaris and Sage are too different styles of QBs. Then you have #4…..
Maybe we can muster up a straight up trade with the Vikes
Sage for whatever WRs we decide are not 2010 Bengals-worthy. Do it now before we have to dump them into free agency. Then wa-la. End of needs before the season starts. Everyone’s happy, except JT and Jordan, and I don’t care about them.
had to steal your moniker to make my point
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Adailus Thomas is wearing stripes unless someone get's hurt....
1. Thomas would play the SAM position where Michael Johnson is being groomed.
2. Thomas is 32 and coming off two bad years in N.E.
3. If Thomas was still able to rush the QB someone would have picked him up
This team still needs help at FS and Thomas does not fit the bill.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
right on
i just see a versatile defender that’s been on the market for 2 months.
i’m sure his price has come way down, that’s the only reason i brought it up. He’s gotta be better than the quartet of Jeanty/Hodge/Skuta/Rey
(Vincent Rey that is, of course not Maualuga)
as far as FS is concerned, I think Atogwe is completely out of the question due to the heavy contract he likely seeks.
As i mentioned before, i’m sure it’s a moot point, but thought i’d stir the pot for the hell of it.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 15, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose his price could fall enough that even Mikey would look at him. But Marvin and all the rest of the staff — including Fitz — will tell him that we don’t need him.
Unfortunately there are still only 32 fully pro teams out there, unless you count the CFL. And even if you do they aren’t all that desperate for players either. Unless AT wants to hit he UFL, I think his football days are over. His public feuding with Bellicheat — no matter how much Bill’s image has been tarnished the last few years when he hasn’t been able to win another trophy since Spygate — put him on just about everybody’s “radioactive” list.
AT was a very good player and he probably has gas in the tank so maybe....
his being “radioactive” will bring the price down. If we go after him it will be after nobody buys him on the new releases section and he drops to the bargain bin. IMO we just need to solidify the team we have now, weed out the weakest at every position and make them a band of brothers. I think we have adequate talent or better. We will find out now how the core leadership can make them play like different parts of the same body.
There is probably better all around talent everywhere – it is the ability to play as a unit that is a more important factor now. Learning that you can block your man and not worry about the guy next to you. You can run your route confident that the populated area will be cleared out by the other WR by the time you get there. You can go for the int confident that the safety or corner has your back. You can run to a slot in the line knowing that the guard is going to pull and get there ahead of you. You can throw the ball to a spot before the WR does his comeback knowing you are on the same page. Doing all of those types of things with speed and confidence gets you there just a bit quicker and harder. That is what the teams that win all the time do. That is where we need to be. That is the real essence of winning – not just talent. You can always have better talent but this team has the best core group I can remember since the last SB.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
This isn't a post about roster debates
It’s about Thomas. A good habit is to write the story, THEN the title. I feel used now.
didn’t mean to let you down.
i was just tryin to generate some discussion as at the time nothing was going on….
sorry for the deceptive title, although i did try to sprinkle in some guesses as to how the roster would get down to 79 players…..no cred for the weak effort? lol
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 17, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a topic over on the BTB and you should've seen
how twisted that got.. I asked a question about the trade rumor with Martellus Bennett and who they thought the WR was that we wanted to trade and it got into a heated battle about if Bennett was good or not. And twisted it got, way of the subject and I got over 100 posts and one guess. At the very end from a eagles fan. And he was the troll that stirred the pot.
Actually it was pretty entertaining.
einman, nobody can control the direction a post will take
All you can hope is that it prompts good discussion. This one has, so it is a good post.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
thanks for the shoutout JJ
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 17, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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