CARSON PALMER: Why he will succeed in 2010
by UpStateMike on Jun 15, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
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PrintAdd it up any way you want; it keeps equalling Pro Bowl Year for Carson.
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Remember this cute kid in gold and red? Well, get ready for #3 to return to being the best in the league.
Carson Palmer's reign as the Bengals QB and biggest toe has been a bumpy journey. Ask any fan, and they'll tell you he hasn't had it easy at any point in his career. 2010 is no exception to this, but unlike any other year - even the mythical 2005 season, things have never been so perfectly lined up. Hell, even the Chinese calendar proves this is going to be the year of the Tiger. The Bengal Tiger to be specific.
How can I say such things? Well read on.
A quality Group of Wide Recievers.
Yes, we had a great group before. Slim (R.I.P.), Housh, and Chad of course have been a great 1,2,3 threat that opened things up. But that alone won't win you games. You can't just rely on one facet to make everything all right. As good as these guys were together, this year I believe we are more complete. You know it. I know it. Carson knows it too.
Legitimate alternative Options
OMG, Tight ends that can actually catch? And others that can block, and some that can do both? Are you nuts? Did we just draft the best TE? Yes, we did! I'm hoping we also have Chase Coffman ready to go as well, he's icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. Add in a dose of veteran bad ass blocking from Reggie Kelly and I think we're set. Fear not everyone. Dan Coates will NOT be in the final 53. I don't care how much Mike Brown loves the guy.
An established Running Game
Oh man. No need to belabour this one either. Benson is for real and so is Bernard Scott. Brian Leonard is too. Behold opposing Defenses, the Killer Bee's have arrived to make you look silly. As great as these guys did last year, they suffered because there was no real passing threat. That's not a problem this year. They are also pretty good pass blockers too! Fui you say? Yep.
Solid Offensive Line
You can't talk about a running game without talking about the stockyard. These guys are not only good, but they played exceptionally well last year and everyone's back. And Andre is going to be here all year (aren't you?) to help with the issues of pass defense. Last year at this time, we weren't sure if we even had enough players for an O-line, let alone one that we trusted with Carson's life. I like our guys and think they are strong and physical. Carson needs this to give him time to connect deep.
Aggressive & Dominating Defense
You know what made 2009 a year for Bengals Fans to be proud of? A bad-ass defense that I was always happy to see out there. They might have stumbled a bit towards the end of the season, but no one can deny that in each game they kept the best of the league's offense in check. This year we have most of the guys back. Some are meaner and leaner. Some have been off the bottle and looking to break bones. It's going to be a feeding frenzy for the Tiger Sharks this year. I cannot wait to see them smashing and crushing their way to the QB. The Pass Rush is on!
Depth Chart
We are stacked at a lot of key positions. Lets see who rises to the top of the list to make it past cut down day. Those that do are going to be hungry. I also love the fact that there's few prima donnas and that everyone is in the scheme. Sure, you have starters, but on this years team it doesn't really matter. Guys are going to cycle in all the time making for some great mismatches and opportunities.
The Competition
The analysts tell us we have one of the hardest schedules of any team this year. You know what? We do. But... We are ready to take on ANYONE. Forget all that you know. Every close game with the best teams that we lost. Broncos? Fluke plays are not going to win it for you this year. Jets? Oh man, Bring it on. Ravens? Colts? Saints? Yeah, in order to be taken serious, we need to go head to head with the best. I say, bring it on!!!
Healthy Carson
Carson has had some pretty tough injuries over the years. I don't need to go down the list, but there is truth to him being a bit gun shy and throwing too soon because of it. Or throwing it away because he couldn't scramble very well. Well, last year I saw Carson move out of the pocket and make throws on the run. I also saw him handing off with the wrong hand. Yes. I did. He played through his injury and did pretty well, but I believe that his thumb and every other body part is in good shape for this year. He's going to need to be if he plans on having a record year.
Carson Palmer, the Veteran Leader
I must admit, this is where I have to be concerned. I believe he can do it. I have to believe that because everyone from diehard fans to sports writers to the morons at NFL Channel, ESPN and the network nuckleheads are going to be telling us this every chance they get. It's their only legit arguement that we are not worthy. However, who doesn't believe Palmer can pull it off?
So that's what I think. This also helps me feel better about not having a quality backup QB. We shouldn't need one if Carson is the man this year to take us all the way to the top. Go ahead, add it up. Carson will benifit from how complete of a team surrounds him. Just like it's supposed to be.
2010 - the year of the Tiger.
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we definitely need to add Leodard and Scott! Both guys could be a huge factor in the passing game this year…
you are correct
Both of these guys are likely to find seams in defenses already trying to cover the impossible. Leonard is such a go-to man on 3rd downs.
And 4th downs...
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i think it just moved....
seriously, great post. I almost want to quit my job and just sleep until the season starts….
anyone know a good online store for Bengals gear? I’m currently living in Chicago and only get back for a few games a year and need to diversify my jungle gear- looking for something other than the bengals proshop or espn.com…thanks
it comes down to mind over matter....if you don't mind, it won't matter
I am
And I get most of Eagles gear on Ebay. No, I get what you’re saying. I actually hate all the crap around the Eagles off-seasons. WIP (radio) pisses me off more than anything, and I actually can’t stand the masses and the mentality created by the station (they freakin’ booed Donovan. Not in the draft, but if he hit a bad streak after completely turning the franchise around, wanted him to be traded, think Reid is terrible, and so on). Most of the time the fans just make me want to pull my hair out. This season will hinge soley on Kolb (they go as far as he goes). I have no solid predictions about them, and I can’t really see anyone taking any kind of stance and know what they are talking about with the team until they know exactly what they are getting from Kolb. The team is going to be extremely dependent on the pass. Also, I read the700level.com more than the SBN site (please don’t tell them). I’m barred from most sites at work, (hotmail, facebook, craigslist, youtube or any video streams, twitter, and a ton of other random stuff) and I have about 4-6 hours of free time every day. So I journey around SBN. I used to live on Blazersedge, but that site just turned into an absolute mad house and I get really emotional trying to deal with all the stupid crap on there nowadays. This is a nice community with good writers and research. Furthermore, I’m amazed that the Bengals are not given more respect, and I’m trying to figure out why. I called it when the Eagles were going to come up in early 2000, and they did (said they would dominate the NFC East for years, turns out it was the whole conference). I haven’t called another team on thier way up since until last season, when I called your team and won some loot on it. Not saying they will have the same prolonged success, but they have an awesome foundation and a real shot at the top this season. I guess I do spend a lot of time here, but I like this place.
hahahaha
You took me wrong. Thanks for the support man! I was just wondering about a person over at the eagles site. This Jimmy K guy. I ran into him over at the BTB, which is the cowboys site. He was over there trolling and causing all kinds of controversy. Have you heard of him? If you have, what they hell is up with him? He antagonizes the hell out of people..
He's pretty big on the site
He posts a lot of front page stuff. He used to be bye Dawk. He’s a pretty smart guy. Don’t know anything about him pissing cowboys fans off, but those guys do quite a bit of trolling themselves.
yeah, I had a run in with him and
he was trolling and just kept sticking needle in the side of people over there with his comments to everyone that made a post. Although he gave me a good gesture he took everybody off my subject and I had 125 posts about nothing but smack talk. But I guess he is accepted over there b/c he’s not banned. He just seems like he loves controversy per comments and avatar. LOL which is funny.
Wonderful write up..
Im glad I have a few months for my voice to heal from hockey season before I ruin it screaming for our Z-fense! About 54 days until HOF game.. cmon!!
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jun 15, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
cyclones son!
Hawks.. please! Maybe if I enjoyed watching a bunch of collar-popping guys play hockey.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jun 18, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
HOF game...
My 3 year old daughter’s the same day… I scheduled the party a day early. =)
Tiger Sharks
We just named the defense for 2010
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by Purple City Middie on Jun 15, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
2010
The year of the Tiger
Coming to a theater near you.
Sent chills, man.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Jun 15, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
What I liked seeing about Carson last year was.......
He became like a pitcher who still has his fastball but stopped depending on it. He engineered several last minute drives on sheer will and smarts. He is beginning to look like my favorite and IMO the best QB the Bengals ever had Kenny Anderson. Kenny sliced and diced defenses and then gave them the killing strike with a long one to Curtis. Death by a thousand cuts. Now, if he can just learn how to be a better leader off the field, maybe channel the ghost of Johnny U, he can reach his potential.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
REC'ing the shit out of this!
Somebody with access needs to print this out and put it up in every locker. I hope every one of the players is as pumped as we are going into camp. I can’t explain it, but something feels very different (good way) about the upcoming season.
Where can I order my Year of the Tiger t-shirt?!?
Great team, but...
The Lombardy isn’t here quite yet. One big key injury could drop this train right off the tracks and off the bridge quicker than you can blink so let’s not count the chickens before the hen lays the eggs.
I feel great about this team too, but as every Bengals fan knows the wheels can go flying in 90 different direction at a moments notice.
Now just why don’t they get a real backup for Carson? Which retard in the front office seems to always forget about his BIG time injuries?
I wouldn't be so quick to jump on MB
Until this year there were a dozen positions where a single injury could really stop the team in it’s tracks. NOw there is really only one that could put us completely out of contention. Injuries to guys like Hall, JJ or Benson would hurt bad but are potentially survivable. If Palmer goes down we go down. We need to get an aging but still capable veteran – man I wish we could get Kitna back just for one year. Mediocre starter but very good backup.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I've been saying that for a long time now about a backup QB..
MB has shown that he is were the buck stops, so he’s to blame. I would tend to say that the coaches all know were the weakest positions are, Mike Boy doesn’t and I’m not going to give him credit for that b/c for years he’s blunder the roster anyways. It wasn’t till ML got here and several years after that this is starting to look very good. Coaches are the one that want a change not MB. That’s my take on it. Hopefully it’ll happen at the backup QB spot.
If MB didn't want it to happen - it wouldn't happen.
People change. People grow. Obviously you just don’t like the guy and can’t consider giving the guy a break. That is up to you. I just feel differently. BTW if you care to check I have been talking about our backup QB being a weak link since they didn’t go for one in the draft. So, there at least we agree. The initial hire of Zimmer, two good drafts in a row and two active FA off seasons, the extension of Zimmer and attempts to get a deal done with JJ. That looks like reason to credit MB. None of that happens without him being on board. None of it. It is his business and he has the right to run it any way he likes. We are fans we have the right to be fans or not. I am glad and thankful that he is showing improvement. I realize that is not a popular position here on the board – but that is basically the way I look at it. But then I am a business owner so maybe I see it from a different perspective.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I just think that
the changes that have happened is due to ML and his advice given to MB. I know that MB has the final say, but it seems to me that it’s not done without the advice of the coaches now. The only credit that I will give MB is that he has (I guess) realize that he needs help from someone or ones with football minds. Not only family..
There are plenty of business’ out there that are ran with decisions being made on the advice of their management. Happens all the time and didn’t happen with MB before ML got here, or that failed miserably if it did. If you look and see there are players now, that want to be here. They are happy employees, due to the coaches/managers. I guess I don’t want to give credit to MB for turning this franchise around b/c I believe he didn’t do it. His employees and management did.
Like I said before, if he keeps his nose out of player analysis and handles the business end of it, I’ll give credit in due time.
If MB were the same ole MB he would have told ML to p*ss off
and we wouldn’t be near the team we are now. I say lets forget about the fact that he was a bit late to the party and move forward. MB gives a lot of players a chance for redemption – maybe it is about time we gave him that same consideration and give him the benefit of the doubt.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
NEVER....
As 80% would say, Blasphemy!!
His back was up against the wall here. He had to allow some changes. There were lawsuits and the fans were crawling up his back, the businesses were getting ready to pull out of the stadium suites. He had no choice but to change. As good as ML is in getting MB to see the light, MB actually likes ML and things are changing for the better. It’s up to ML to keep things straight, if MB gives up the control in order for ML to sign a new contract.
He can still give players a second chance. He’s been doing that for a long time, even before ML. That doesn’t seem to be the problem here and not what I’m talking about. It’s letting the coaches do there job and he needs to handle the business end of it and stay the hell out of the player analysis. The past will tell you so…
Just b/c MB allows a decision doesn’t mean it’s his idea or he gets the credit.
Nobody in their right mind wants to screw with MB in court
MB is Haynsworth, Peyton Manning and Deacon Jones all rolled up in a courtroom. He would tie up any suit iup in court so long that maybe your grandchildren might live to see the judgement or he dies. The man is worth 600 million dollars and he will make money in the NFL just like he always has. Do you really think he loses sleep over what we think. For every fans that walks away another fan is born. He has no reason to improve the team if he didn’t personally want to. I think he is becoming concerned about his legacy and wants to win before he dies.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I realize that MB would
tie things up in court for years to come but that’s not the point I was taking. There was pressure no matter what anybody says and no he hasn’t lost any sleep.
The point I was getting to was in the last part of your reply. Your absolutely correct, I too think he wants to win b/c of his legacy. Part of his legacy has to do with an empty stadium and a lower fan base. He wants to put the 90’s behind him. That is why I said his back was up against the wall. He knew he had to do something, for himself.
I call them “Themes” referring to all his condescending ideas.
He is a great business man but a bad football guy and that part, will go down in his legacy whether he likes it or not.
So you are saying that he gets the blame when things go wrong
but no credit when things go right. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Either he is the man or he isn’t. Who decider to get Sam Adams? Marvin. Who decided to get Coles Marvin. Or are you saying that MB decided on all of the bad ones and Marvin decided on all of the bad ones?
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
No he decided on Carson which was a no brainer,
He has decided on signing the others too. What I’m saying is that a lot of the things that he does is put into place for him, since ML and the other coaches came here. All he has to do is figure out a way to sign these players and coaches. That is such a good thing b/c it keeps him out of the football part of it. I give him credit for trying to help some ignorant players (Chris Henry and Odell Thurman for example), sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, but that is nothing new. He’s given 2nd chances all the time to players. That part will also be in his legacy.
All I’m trying to say is that when he has stuck his nose into the football side of the business, things go wrong. It actually seems he has kept his nose out of it as much as possible. And for him, that’s hard to do.
Do I blame him for the performance of Coles? No! Do I blame him for trying to put Harris as a TE? Yes! Things seem to be going great right now and if he signs the people responsible for it, then credit will be given where/when credit is due. Part of the credit was in signing Zim. He has a lot of work to do to keep things in tact.. I’m going to use yor word, Continuity is key for success. We haven’t had a team like this in a very long time.
So you are saying what I am saying. He is doing better and deserves some credit.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Well, not ready yet... LOL
It’s like the Fonze. He can’t bring himself to say he was wroooo,wroooo,wrooo….
This is his ninth or tenth year correct? Time is kinda running out.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy if he gets the MWC to 12 teams. The University of Utah starts in the Pac-Ten in 2011. Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c he is a far superior wrestler and a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. Last man to win a round vs Gsp. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the Rec's!
I’m glad everyone it stoked about this year. I didn’t feel I elaborated on anything, but without a doubt we need a solid vet backup at QB to be ready for the one thing that can bring this all down.
Nice work
I agree that Palmer is going to improve this season, nothing huge, but he’s going to be closer to his Pro Bowl form.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
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