Bengals Start Contract Negotiations With Johnathan Joseph
by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT
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PrintOne of the concerning questions heading into next year's offseason is what to do with Johnathan Joseph, who will be a free agent after this season. Then, if that wasn't enough, the Bengals will have to worry about their other starting cornerback Leon Hall, who is the second part of a cornerback duo that is one of the league's best who will also be heading into his final year (2011) under contract.
At least the Bengals are starting to push forward, being proactive rather than reactive. According to ESPN's James Walker, the Bengals are beginning negotiations with Joseph on a deal that could very well rival one of the richest cornerback contracts in the NFL.
"It shows positive signs," Joseph said of the negotiations. "It's one of those things that hopefully we can get it done. But if not, I'm here for the rest of this season and I'm focused on this season. I'm not that worried about it, but it's one of those things you'd like to get behind you."
Walker, through Joseph, says that the Bengals have actually made "two proposals in the past week."
If the team and cornerback gets a deal done, Cincinnati will most likely look towards getting running back Cedric Benson signed to a deal, if not Brandon Johnson. Only one safety is signed beyond 2010 and five linemen have contracts beyond this season also. Lots and lots to do.
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Great news
Get J-Joe locked up. Leon still has a year longer to get a deal done. With all of the Veterans they have with contracts that expire either after 2010 or 2011, it really appears that the Bengals’ window for a Championship run should be this and next season.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 15, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
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I was thinking the same thing.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
"could very well rival one of the richest cornerback contracts in the NFL"
Leon will accept nothing but the same and I can’t see Mike giving them both blockbuster deals..
can’t decide.
Who do we like better? JJoe or Leon? in other words, who would we keep if we could only lock up one of them?
3 yards and a pile of dust
i think my vote goes to Joseph
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Jun 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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I think it’s obvious the front office agrees with you bud.
by JamesShively on Jun 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Leon
I’d go with Hall. He shut down the best receivers in the league and doesn’t seem to be as injury prone. He’s just a pro. I don’t want to choose between them though. Both should be given contracts.
This is our year!
Joseph is better
BUT, I think that both guys have benefitted from each other being on the opposite side. If they only keep one of the “Big 2”, prepare for a potential decline in performance if the other guy leaves.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go with Joseph.
Not only for his athletic freakishness, but because we already have Hall through 2011. Locking down JJo now means we keep the duo for a longer period of time.
Another thought…assuming the FO really has no intention of keeping Hall around for 2012, would you be opposed to trading him after this season (when his trade value will likely be huge)?
you stand alone.. we need both.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jun 15, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
I thought the debate was whether to keep Joseph OR Hall. Of course I’d want BOTH—I’m not a freaking head trauma patient.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
franchise tag
We can always use that on Leon for an extra year with him or trade him then. I still hope we lock both up but who knows if that will happen.
Leon Hall is the better overall corner hands down.....JJoe is faster and more athlectic and can run with any WR in the game. Hall is a very physical corner.
I hope that if the Bengals sign Joseph before camp…..it will mean that Mike Brown will spend the money to keep both. Without doubt, our corners are the straw that stirs the drink. It will cost the team between 8-10 million per season for both…..that’s alot of money for two corners but they are worth every penny. You simply don’t know when it comes to the Browns and their spending. Who would have guessed that he would have spent the money like he has this offseason. This defense needs both because of the lack of a consistent pass rush. The only was this team could get to the opp QB last year was to blitz…let’s hope that changes this year…..training camp starts in 6 weeks BENGAL NATION!
Kenneth Lewis Moore
by lightskin350 on Jun 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Im confused????
Is Mike Brown and his front office now starting to do things in the best interest of the team and not for the sake of pinching pennies??
With the quality of the last 3-4 drafts and free-agent moves, I’m beginning to think that something has changed in the organization.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Me too...
It’s the same deal with the Raiders and Al Davis this year. Two years of the Bengals having outstanding drafts and being proactive in free agency begs the question: “WHAT THE EFF IS GOING ON?!” Regardless, I’ll take it.
by Anthony Cosenza on Jun 15, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's wait on Ced, though
because he might not play so hard under a huge contract. Lately he’s worked after getting paid, but he hasn’t gotten paid all that much. Add in his age and the looming lockout, and it seems a bit early to get him back.
Back on topic, pay these cornerbacks their money. PAY THE MEN!
by Pardon_My_French on Jun 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Hard to judge J-Jo's value
I wouldn’t put him in the “elite corner” category but that doesn’t mean he won’t get paid like one – that’s just life in the NFL. Here’s a good article on the top 10 CB contracts: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2009/under-cap-top-ten-cornerbacks. This will just go up once Revis gets a new deal.
The real issue is that a new contract with J-Jo immediately puts the pressure on the team to sign Hall to the same contract.
30% Rule Will Make It Tough to Sign Joseph
From NFLPost: The 30-percent rule, found in Article XXIV, Section 8 (b) of the CBA, states that renegotiations/extensions entered into in the 2010 league year may not increase per year from 2009 to 2010 or beyond more than 30 percent of the 2009 salary. For example, if the 2009 salary is $2M, the maximum available in 2010 is $2.6M, in 2011 it’s $3.2M, etc.
This is going to make it tough for teams in 2010 to extend their star free-agents.
That is true LA but, there is something else for JJ to consider
He knows he has a pretty good partner on the other side which will help him be the elite guys he wants to be money is the biggest factor but winning is also to be considered. He also has to think about the risk he has of being injured this year or next if we franchise him. Getting a long term contract with guaranteed money can be just as much of a deterant to leaving when you consider the injury risk factor. Increasing a salary 30% per year as part of a backloaded contract can very comforting to a player as he goes on. It really kind of depends on if he wants to stay here. My feeling is that he does. He just wants to be paid and shown respect – maybe. ( I hope)
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