Karma is on it's way
by einman77 on Jun 29, 2010 10:04 PM EDT
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PrintIn the Wake of this whole Cedric Benson episode, one thing has become readily apparant. It is the attitude of Steelers fans. Now over on BTSC they are saying how they shouldn't kick this team when it's down, how they are better than that. But then there are a bunch of them who disregard that "standard", come over here and do just that. They are absolutely classless and have the nerve to think they are above all of that, that the situation warrants it. Well, regardless of what happens with this, I think the Steelers fans will be having plenty of time to learn humility.
The Steelers have had thier fair share of problems this off season to say the least. The QB been suspended for the first quarter or more of the season, and has drawn the ire of nearly all NFL fans and likely a lot of the players too. Holmes has been shipped out. Their stars are fading all across the board. Now, starting RT Willie Colon will be down for the season. If the line becomes an albatross on an already poor offense, then there really isn't much of a foundation left. Now, normally I'm not happy about injuries no matter who they are. I feel for this guy and I wouldn't actually wish injury upon anyone. I've torn my ankle playing absketball and know how much it sucks watching games you wish you could be playing in. But when it comes to the Steelers fan base, I think they are the most arrogant group of fans on the planet. They aren't my most hated group of fans (that would be the Dallas fans who live in Philly who have never even been within 500 miles of the state of Texas. The easiest way to piss 98% of the people in Philly off is to say you're a Dallas fan, which obviously they chose to do through the course of thier life because that is the type of person they are. It's amazing how often that theory holds true and that type of attitude permates through into nearly all topics of conversation), but I don't think another organization deserves to fall and stay down for a long, long time as much as the Steelers do.
Through out the NFL, most fans will recognize that their team sucks when they do. Of course Eagles fans may be a little overreactive in that they sometimes think the team sucks before they actually do, but I've met people who are fans for nearly every team. And if things aren't right, they will tell you. There are those few exceptions with every fan base, and I don't normally fault that. Usually I just have to laugh and let it be. But the Steelers fans seem to breed this type of attitude. Being on the other side of the state, going to school litterally 10 minutes south of the Pa/WV border and 70 miles away from black and piss HQ, I've met a ton of them. And just about every single fan I've met can't admit that they suck even when they are obviously terrible. I just think that they really have to be down and out for a long period of time before they ground themselves a little bit. Then see how they like when fans come on to thier blog with every mistep and tell them how happy they are that the team keeps messing up.
I hope in the end Colon comes back as strong as ever... with a brand new team. I also hope all of these setbacks are the impetus to the wheels coming completely off the bus with that team. I hope the Bengals, Lions and of course the Eagles all win SBs before the Steelers even sniff one again. The Ravens and Bengals are building up young, talented squads (of course there is that MaLoR guy, but he seems more like an exception and the Ravens fans really don't have much negative to say on this site outside of him). And the Browns might actually be not bad in a few years. Anyway, I hold comfort in the fact that all of this could be the begining of a much needed downward spiral.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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The reality of the situation is...
Whenever you have a large group of people, in any facet of life, there will never be uniform belief, or even consistent opinion. Regardless of what one group of fans says, there will always be another segment who says the opposite. Fact of life.
I think it’s important to recognize this, get over it, and don’t over generalize, or assume.
And with that, the larger the fanbase, the more people there will be who believe the opposite. Why is it that generally most fans find two fanbases the most annoying (Steelers and Cowboys), you in this group? Because due to the shear number of fans of this team, there are more fans you will disagree with, based on law of average alone.
I know this is an especially frustrating time to be a Bengals fan, what with Benson’s arrest, but does engaging in senseless arguements and name-calling really ever accomplish anything positive as a result?
Wait and see what happens, and deal with it when it does. It’s a game. And a game that none of us talking on these boards can really have any effect on whatsoever. It will be okay.
"I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone."
-Kurt Vonnegut
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
I'm an Eagles fan
The Eagles play you guys once every 4 years. I lived next to NY and NJ all my life and have to deal with them every year (see 90s Giants over Eagles if you want to talk about dominance). I’ve known just as many Giants fans as I have Steelers fans. And for some reason, there is no comparison in my book. As for Cowboys fans, I’ve met plenty when my best friend lived in Texas, but it was more of friendly back and forth. The ones in Philly are a little different being that is the Eagles biggest rival and all. They did it for the point of being abrasive. The Steelers fan base just seems to be far too arrogant, and I had to get this off my chest in a forum that probably understands what I am talking about all too well.
I can’t wait until August so we can get by all of this off-season boredom and scrutiny. I’m also sure that I am generalizing a bit and not being fair to eery Steelers fan on the planet. But between going to WVU and living west of Philly I had had plenty of experience with them. Steelers fans always seem to carry that attitude. Not really better than anyone else, but they play that card all the time no matter the situation. Eagles fans, the stereotype is true a lot of the time. I have come across Donovan/Reid/Garcia/whoever the goat of the week is antagonists. I’ve gotten in plenty of arguments about how those people treat thier own team. As much as I love the Eagles, I don’t think a lot of the fans deserve a SB until they can learn to show a little more patience and acceptance. But as the Steelers go, I really hope a hard lesson in reality is in store to give them a major ego check. That’s just where I’m at.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
Well, to be honest with you...
I’m confused as to why you are on a Bengals blog, talking about the Steelers, and a fan of the Eagles. With no “dog in the fight” so to speak, I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish.
I respect your opinion, but it’s inaccurate. Most of the fans here had level headed responses to the issue. Most of the more tenured readers at BTSC look at it as an on the field issue, with possible off the field implications (suspension). Not a lot of people even commented on the story. There are 116 comments as of now. Most are by the same 8 or 10 people.
Are there fans that will take it too far, yup. But I don’t think most will. Three or four fans came here and said stuff. That’s really not a lot, when you look at how many people we get going through our site, just to talk Steelers.
"I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone."
-Kurt Vonnegut
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The people on the blog know why I'm here.
It’s kind of a long story, but I like this place and come here pretty frequently. I suppose you are right about the percentages, but there was only 1 Ravens fan and no fans from 29 other teams who came over to talk trash. Maybe the Bengals haven’t pissed enough people off to warrant the outburst that accompanied the latest Little Ben incident, but why is it so important for Steelers fans to do so. It’s also that I have a history with Steelers fans. Again, maybe it is just the sample that I have met, but I’ve met a good number of them.
I may well have gone over the top on this. It was an impression that stuck with me and has progessed through the years, whether through reality or perception, and this latest bit set me off I guess. Thanks for being civil. I’m sure I over reacted a little, but it kind of felt good to get off my chest. But you’ve at least shown me that there is at least one decent Steelers fan out there and I do feel a tinge of remorse now for writing this soley based on your comments.
By the way, I’m a big Vonnegut fan. I am reading “Cat’s Cradle” right now and I appreciate that quote you have there.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
The reason so many Steelers fans came was due to the reactions gotten during our own incidents this off season. I took it too far myself on this blog. I allowed myself to get irritated by the minority of Bengals fans that are incoherant and spew hate (some homophobic or equating sexual assualt to punching a guy in a bar, issues that irritated me on a personal level putting sports aside). But your experiences with Steelers fans are bad, I am sorry. You are a fan of the Eagles, consitantly the team regarded as having one of the two worst fan bases in all of professional sports (Oakland Raiders the other). Surely you can relate to exagerration and extreme fan behavior being blanketed over the majority.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 30, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s where we differ in our perception. Whether it’s a minority of the fans who are the loudest and most beligerent, the attitude spreads and affects the most people, both within and outside fo the fan base. I’ve seen the crap that goes on at the Linc (and the vet) and it is condoned. I like the fact that people are scared to wear thier colors in our stadium, and there is good reason. I don’t like how quickly the fan base turns on it’s own players, how they don’t remember what having no hope prior to a season feels like, etc. But that’s what they do, and I am just going against the tide when I fight it. But I will say those sterotypes are pretty accurate representations of what you an expect from Eagles fans, whether through acceptance that behavior or thier actions.
The problems that I’ve had with Pittsburgh fans is that they are so extremely cocky. They won’t admit when thier team is bad and it drives me nuts. I know a lot of them, from friends to aquaintences to people I genuinely disliked. Mind you, I have only lived in the US for a total of about 3 months after the 05-06 season. All of my non-internet experience comes from when I was growing up. The period between the 70s, when none of my Steelers even knew what a championship felt like. But they were still never capable of admitting that they had a bad team. These were Tommy Maddux, Slash, whoever else teams in mid season form. The groups at bars were no diffierent, and just so annoyingly loud as any week. Maybe if I just once heard a Pittsburgh fan say “damn, we suck”, I would give them a lot more respect.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
Ive heard it, Ive said it. We say it at the blog when we do. You should have seen us after we lost some games last year. But the thing is, the team never doesnt compete. After one of our worst season in recent memory we went 15-1 with a rookie QB and made it to the AFC championship game. That is what Steelers fans expect. Ya, it is cocky, but it is the franchise doing the work (and to be honest, I’m just grateful I was born into a family that is from Pittsburgh for the last 300 years and I get the priviledge of watching the Steelers every Sunday whether they are 3-13 or 15-1). I am 21 and I haven’t missed watching a game since I was 5. People don’t understand what that team did for the people who lived (or had to move from Pittsburgh in the 70’s once the Steel industry went down). It saved a piece of your home. That is why there are so many fans, they had to leave their home and the only thing they had to hold onto was the best damn football team the world had ever seen (the 70’s Steelers). They bred their children to respect that, to respect what they can lose, while still loving the colors no matter what. Ya, you guys may think it is cocky, but the thing is, the fans of the Steelers will never turn on their team, or give up on a season that starts out 0-6 because the Steelers didn’t give up on a city that lost everything. If Philly or Cincy had been through what Pittsburgh and the Steelers have been through together, they might understand the bond, but it is a unique bond that cant be understood. Not making excuses for assholes, but it is why you wont hear Steeler fans give up on a season. Ever.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jul 1, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually that piece of history is pretty enlightening
If I wasn’t subjected to so much of the BS for all those years and been completely anti-Steelers at this point, that may have changed my perception a bit. But the whole bouncing back after being a poor team the year before, that’s exactl why I think the team will only learn some humilty after being down and staying there for a bit.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
Maybe. Before the 70’s the Steelers were a terrible team. But then when the city needed it, the team became great. As long as the Rooney’s own the team, it will always be in contention (maybe not every year, but every decade they will have great years). It is just a consistant thing. 3 coaches since the 1970’s. It makes the fans expect more, and ya they get arrogant over their team, but remember one thing when judging a lot of Steeler fans, when they lost their jobs, their homes and even had to move across the country, the only thing they had left was the Steelers. It will give perspective on why they are so passionate, if ever too passionate.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jul 1, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been a Steelers fan since I was four years old.
I never lived in Pittsburgh, nor was I raised in a “pro Steeler” household. I was raised in Southern California.
I didn’t know of the Steelers past of being losers and down on their luck. As I grew up I realized how hard the team had always fought on the field, win or lose….but more often than not losing. For 40 years, long before I was born. I started liking them the year of the Immaculate Reception.
But understand, there’s a reason other than sheer bandwagon nature to many fans of the STeelers. Sure, the ties to the city…what the team gave them when their lives were falling apart…That is for many the story.
For me, when my folks got divorced, and I was being taken to one lawyer then another, being asked (while my parents were in the room) who I wanted to live with…hearing my mom cry at night, and for the first time in my life not having my dad living in the same house…my world of security and comfort and dependability being trashed, at twelve f’n years old…I had the Steelers. Watching them brought me out of a place I had to worry, if onnly for a few hours on a Sunday or Monday. But it went farther than that, ‘cuz I’d emulate them in my front yard or in the street, or while I fell asleep at night. They taught me lessons, at times, I think a father should be teaching his son, but I didn’t have mine around.
So forgive me if my pride and love and “fandom” piss you off. You’re a human being just like me, and when it’s all said and done I want nothing to do with being an a-hole to you or any other fan from any other team. But please, don’t take innocent smack talk and make it personal, or make personal attacks. That’s where you see the “asshole” Steeler fan in me come out. It has less to do with the Steelers at all, and more to do with respecting another person. I don’t think you are a bad guy. Sorry if I made it seem that way.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
When I put two of your posts together einman77 I see something interesting
I think the Steelers fans will be having plenty of time to learn humility. They are absolutely classless and I really hope a hard lesson in reality is in store to give them a major ego check. That’s just where I’m at.
I’ve seen the crap that goes on at the Linc (and the vet) and it is condoned. I like the fact that people are scared to wear thier colors in our stadium, and there is good reason.
So the Steelers fans are classless because you had to hear about our two recent Superbowl victories while the eagles knocked on the door all decade. Fine, I can understand the frustration. But Eagles fans are just fine when other fans are intimidated to wear their team’s colors for fear of being assaulted? And you’re proud of that? I was just at a wedding in philly with tons of friends that are eagles fans, and luckily they aren’t all like you. But I know tens of thousands are! Yourself and all NFL fans should be ashamed of the way you treat other fans. And to talk about the Steelers fans being classless and needed to be taught a lesson? You’re out of you mind!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I can see how that comes across as strange. I never said Eagles fans were above it, or that we deserve anything. In fact I would say we are pretty much screwed in the sense of karma. And we’re way past the point of humilty and classless. We’re downright pissed-off assholes. Only one thing will likely change that, and who knows if we’ll see it anytime soon. We deserve pretty much everything we’ve gotten and we’re becoming more entrentched in our ways, not changing. It’s pretty easy to go to the stadium and come out without going through any trials, just realize where you are going and play your cards right. But the Steelers fans, IMO, are a lot less deserving than a lot of other teams who haven’t had as much success.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
well that was a reasonable response thanks for that fellow PA'er
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Santa Claus can't change it, why would a SB win?
Human nature dictates that one is never enough. The desperate claw and climb to grab another of whatever it is that you want will consume you. Ask a little kid who gets just one cookie but sees the rest of the full package on the counter. Or the dude who cheats on his girlfriend or wife when there are other women who will pay him attention.
One is never enough.
As for your difference in handling what appears to be the same type of attitude from two different fanbases…that’s not “strange.” That’s easily explained. You’re a fan of one, a hater of the other. Easy. It’s called being a hypocrite, or best case scenario, turning a blind eye. Either isn’t smiled upon much.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
I don't even know where to begin with this one
I think you may need some professional help. Honestly, between your last 2 comments (this and the one above) and the fact that you can’t let any comment to you stand without responding to it, there just seems to be issues. You may have come here without being argumentative at firts, but logging on this site the day of that incident and commenting on while it was still raw, you were either a) looking to defend him or b) chastise him. So which is it? Whether you thought you were attacked or not, you were looking for it. That much is obvious by the amount that you are commenting here. Something is fueling this fight that you are putting up, and I’m done with it. I haven’t gone to personal insults, only deflecting your attacks. I would say you sit down with a professional counselor or priest and hash out some of the things that are going on with you. But I’m tired of your insults and your complete lack of understanding of your role in this and your unwillingness to se through your personal issues to make any progress.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
If that wasn't a personal attack, I don;t know what is, honestly.
Professional help? Sit down with a counselor or a priest? Out of what I wrote above? Really?
I’m really not interested in continuing a line of discussion with you if you think a comment on human nature is worthy of serious psychological help/spiritual casting out of demons. It is what it is. If you believe in the goodness and purity of humanity, you’ve been living with your eyes closed, especially if you’ve gone to games in Philly.
And as far as my intent on coming on this blog, it wasn’t to incite, poke, rub the wrong way, or be a jerk. In fact, my original post on Benson wasn’t even in this thread. But whatever, that’s neither her nor there. Why can’t a football fan weigh in? Oh, because I’m a supporter of your most hated rival. OK. Mature.
And one last thing before I stop responding to you: By responding to messages to me, I am continuing a dialogue. It’s what these forums are about. If I am addressed, I’ll respond. If I am insulted, I might defend myself, or my point of view. So responding somehow makes me a candidate for mental help?
Way to pull out the “retarded psycho” card. Classy. And way to completely disregard the contents of my other post you referenced. The one where I was extremely civil. Nice. You’re one of the fans that make me dislike your team. But w/e
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
I'm not trying to be insulting
Maybe tone/emotion gets lost over the internet and I’m totally misreading everything. I’m not calling you psycho, I’ve been to shrinks myself and don’t think that something has to tbe completely screwed before people should start working on it.
As far as the poss, I just don’t know what you want or where you are going. It just doesn’t seem like anything is being resolved, more keeps on bubbling up. I actually gained a lot of understanding and respect for Steelers fans in this thread, and from comments other people seem to be getting somethign out of it too. You seem to keep on pushing the envelop and jumping to negative conclusions, making open dialog pretty much impossible. Maybe you are a calm, peaceful, well put together guy and I’m being a complete ass. I’m not the world’s nicest guy, so I’m sure I’ve done my share in this. But it does seem like there is a lot going on under the surface. I’m not saying you’re a psycho or crazy or anything like that. Just that you don’t seem at peace with yourself. You did say something nice, then come back and slam me the next line down. I can’t really tell what to make of anything, but I’m spinning my tires and feel like we could just go overand over the same stuff again and again. I don’t kno what to say, don’t feel like there is much left. Sorry if I’m way off base and being a complete ass.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
What a crybaby post
You can wish Karma on the Steelers all you want, but I don’t think you’ll get the results you want.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Is it just me
Or is there a much larger hatred against the Steelers from all the other teams from AFC North? I don’t see us hating Baltimore as much, or the Brownies as much as we hate the Steelers, and the same foes for each of the 2 teams mentioned. I personally think it’s the dirty, intentional hurting plays the Steelers have done to each of the teams that makes us hate them.
+1
or their fan base. or their dirty cities.
Or perhaps their players assaulting other players from AFCN teams off the field. who knows..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jun 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know if youve ever been to Pitt, but there are some of the most beautiful women in America there.
ps forbes just made it the most desireable place to live in the country. Interestingly enough Ohio didnt make the list.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jul 1, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a couple of colleges in Pitt. I'm sure there are some hotties there, but they're just visiting.
Pittsburgh is the shit-hole of the midwest. Everyone knows that. Quit trying to polish that turd with your bullshit magazine articles.
Also, Roethlisburger is the ugliest dickweed on the planet.
No amount of prosperity is sufficient to eliminate all misfortune, and sloth is impervious to opportunity.
"I personally think it’s the dirty, intentional hurting plays the Steelers have done to each of the teams that makes us hate them."
I didn’t want to be the annoying Steelers fan over here in your playground, but since you went there, I have to go here…
I think the reality is that you’re jealous of the success the Steelers have enjoyed. Just watching Hines Ward earn the Superbowl MVP must have been enough for years of hatred and envy.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
You said,
I didn’t want to be the annoying Steelers fan over here in your playground
LEAVE… B/c you are being annoying in our house.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
That's actually what would make us want to stay.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
Then you did actually come over
with the intent to stir shit?!! I see how you are! Looks like your the liar..
When I came on yesterday, I came without a single sinew or fiber of malicious intent or ill-will.
But when I was attacked verbally by Bengals fans I fired back. Not right away, but after about the 4th volley.
And nothing, not a single thing, can compare to what a few of the Bengals fans said to either me or one of the other guys. Heck, a Ravens fan got it right between the eyes in a way that was so incredibly immature and uncalled for, it makes illiterate 7th grade boys look like Stephen Hawking.
So if you are at all, in any way shape or form referencing me in your rambling diatribe above, save it for a cause more justified.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
Oh, and I re-wrote this for you. There were a few spelling errors and grammatical issues.
The Steelers have had thier fair share of success the last 30-40 years, to say the least. The current franchise QB has taken his team to three AFC title games, and won two Super Bowls, and has drawn the on field admiration of nearly all NFL fans and likely a lot of the players too. Holmes has been shipped out, because unlike some teams, we try to get rid of our bad apples. Their stars are shining all across the board, and when one gets old, another is ready to step up. It’s the Steelers way: Reload, grow players from inside the organization as much as possible. Free agency doesn’t work as well. Now, starting RT Willie Colon will be down for the season. If the line becomes an albatross on a record setting offense, then the coaching staff will do what they’re paid to do and figure out a way to work around it. At least the Steelers will always have a strong tradition of playing solid if not scary defense. Now, normally I’m not happy about injuries no matter who they are (but as a Bengals fan, I relish every injury to a Steeler player) I feel happy because my team needs bad things to happen to other teams to get ahead. The Bengals have torn up their hopes of winning seasons before, and know how much it sucks watching playoff games you wish you could be playing in. But when it comes to the Steelers fan base, I think they are the most devoted group of fans on the planet. They aren’t my most hated group of fans (RADIO EDIT for being just way too long of a sentence between parenthesis), but I don’t think another organization deserves to be praised for running their organization as much as the Steelers do. Like Antwaan Randle-El just said, on the differencxes between the Steelers and the Redskins; The Steelers are like a family, they care about you. The Redskins…they’re a business."
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
because unlike some teams, we try to get rid of our bad apples.
This seems a little hypocritical. I give you credit for getting rid of Santonio, and for having a great winning culture in Pitt, but the last time I checked you still have Big Ben. It’s not like Steeler Nation is the shining star of morality for the league or anything. Yeah, we’ve given some players some second chances, and I think that our fanbase is actually pretty proud of that. It’s part of this teams’s identity and part of the culture that ML and Zim have created. If a player is willing to come in and work hard to be a part of the team, then they’ll have a shot at being on the 53.
This is our year!
I like what your owner does. He seems to have a good heart.
But notice I rewrote that: “Try.”
No NFL team is going to be filled with angels. 100% perfection is not the standard by which we have to attain to then become eligible to say, without question, that one team or another is the yardstick for moral success.
The NFL is and always will be a microcosm of our culture. There will be, on every team, liars…thieves…adulterers…fornicators…possibly even pedophiles and murderers.
Ouch.
On EVERY team.
But…with diligence, an unwavering expectation to stick to the very simple guidelines (such as staying out of trouble, first off), and drafting and acquiring free agents wisely…then you can cut down on the troubles.
Like it or not, the Steelers have done this as successfully as any team in the league. (notice I didn’t say “more”…just “as.”)
This is not a shot at your team. You guys have had your troubles and scrapes the last 7 years or so. But it’s not as if someone from the outside watching wouldn’t have the right to say, at least under their breath and to themselves, “Told you so.” By bringing in the castoffs, the rejects from other teams (usually based on legal or inability to conform to the previous team standards issues), and by drafting prospects with questionable fiber, you invite a higher probability of trouble. This is just fact, and what has happened in the past with your team.
Now…in my estimation, you guys are getting better. Not just your record…you could be a better team than last year and have a worse record this coming year, that’s football…but your drafts the last 2-3 years have been more solid. Love Rivers, good player. Caldwell and Shipley will be good WR’s for you. Benson was a good pickup, but let’s face it…not many expected him to do what he did. But it let you breathe and focus on other areas in the draft. Rey Maualuga — I REALLY wanted him on the Steelers. I knew what you were getting with both Rivers and Rey, I’m an ’SC fan.
As far as hypocritical, your very own team would not have gotten rid of Ben. No team would have. In fact, if there was a team that would have, it would have been the Steelers, and I believe we nearly did.
But anyways…for what it’s worth…:)
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
I never said you should get rid of Big Ben, so I’m confused about what I am being hypocritical about. I thought that you were insinuating that Pitt had a higher moral culture than the Bengals do, based on the fact that the Bengals didn’t get rid of their “bad apples” even though Pitt didn’t either with the exception of Holmes, (which is where the hypocritical comment came from). If that’s not what you meant, then I guess I just misread you.
This is our year!
Steelers are choirboys
James Harrison
Jeff Reed
Barrett Brooks
Najeh Davenport
Cedric Wilson
You know. Guys like them.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
Never said they were. Ever.
In fact I’ve made many posts claiming the opposite.
Reed didn’t hit a woman. He hit a paper dispenser. Kinda big diff.
Won’t apologize for any man that hits a woman, arrest issued or not. Brooks: gone. Davenport: gone. Wilson: gone. Santonio: gone. There is actually a pattern, and it’s generally consistent. Just saying.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
" And just about every single fan I've met can't admit that they suck even when they are obviously terrible."
I’ll just go over a little “16-7-3” scope for you. Just a simple broad-mid-recent range of what the facts are. This thread needs facts, because it’s obvious you are working on serious emotional override.
Strap in.
Steelers record over the last 16 years:
Regular season: 160-95
PLayoff record: 15-8
Playoff appearances: 10
Division Championships: 9
AFC Title Games: 7
Super Bowl Appearances: 3
Super Bowl Titles: 2
Steelers Record over the last 7 years:
Regular season: 70-41
Playoffs: 8-2
Playoff appearances: 4
Division Championships: 3
AFC Title Games: 3
Super Bowl Appearances: 2
Super Bowl Titles: 2
Steelers Record over the last 3 years:
Regular season: 31-17
Playoffs: 3-1
Playoff appearances: 2
Division Championships: 2
AFC Title Games: 1
Super Bowl Appearances: 1
Super Bowl Titles: 1
Now…I understand that from an emotional standpoint, how badly you want us to “suck.” And true, everything in life is cyclical. But don’t you think it’s interesting, how, with the right organization, methodology, and mindset, you can actually perpetuate success?
Uncanny.
Keep waiting my friend, for those “wheels to fall off.” And enjoy the wait. :)
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
I'll just reference my post to NYCSteelers fan if you want a time frame.
I honestly don’t like talking with you. You obviously have a “I can do no wrong” attitude. The fact that you signed up on this blog yesterday and made all your comments on the Cedric Benson thread says it all. You also bragged about your insults on BTSC. But somehow you keep pointing the finger squarely at the people here at Cincy Jungle saying that they pulled you into it. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to go have a conversation with a brick wall.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
Will you just leave!
This is our site and you are not welcome anymore. You are again posting more than everybody else and irratating everybody with your idiotic comments. Go home, stop trolling over here and GTFU.
record 2009
Regular Season: 9-7
Playoffs: 0-0
Division Championships: 0
AFC Title games: 0
Super Bowls: 0
Head to head against the Bengals: 0-2
I wasn't a complete jerk.
I didn’t post your record over the same time.
Not did I post your records after you have a winning season.
See…I AM a nice guy. :)
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
Or instead perhaps you are a terrible douche.
Get the hell out of here and quit bothering us with your idiocy.
No amount of prosperity is sufficient to eliminate all misfortune, and sloth is impervious to opportunity.
You know what the Steelers got this past year?
A big steaming plate of humility…
-Losing to the Browns was excellent
-Big Ben’s legal troubles were long overdue
-Willie Colon and Limas Sweed (god bless ‘em) bit the dust
-Santonio smoked some more pot and was traded for a 5th rounder
-Pouncey might stage a lengthy hold-out, and best of all…
-Tomlin’s goin’ down.
Steelers’ record in 2010… 3-13
MwWsA
That's what outsiders see.
Still talking about winning championships after all that has happened is just completely incomprehensible to me. Yet, that’s the topic of converstaion over there. They have excuses and reasons why this and that won’t affect them, but at some point someone has to say that this off-season is filled with too much termoil, too much uncertainty and that even a playoff run is going to be difficult to manage. Yet they have it in their heads that a title is not only feesable, but likely. They didn’t learn thier lesson lesson last year, nor this off season. There needs to be more humility to follow.
It turns out I overestimated my apathy, but not enough to matter.
A title is never "likely" before training camp.
The Steelers have more reasons to be confident then most teams. If the defense stays healthy and the O-line solidifies; if the run game is able to take off or if our unproven receiving corps stand out; if as few things go wrong as possible, the Steelers have as good a chance as anyone. I’ll be the first to admit they have more ifs than a top contender, but the season hasn’t started.
Sadly a large number of things have already gone wrong, and my personal hopes for the offseason (Sweed redeeming himself and the O-line improving) have been well dashed. The Steelers have already caught enough bad luck to ruin a season, it may take some good luck to save it- but talent is there and they still have a very good shot at looking damn good come January.
We have belief and trust in our front office and coaching.
Just look at the overall records I posted. I did that for a reason.
We went 6-10 in 2003, then went 15-1 & the AFC title game.
We went 8-8, then won the Super Bowl the next year.
So forgive us if we have hope & optimism.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
MaLor is all right.
All Ravens fans are delusional a bit. Regarding football they are just off the board out of touch with reality. I spent a lot of time ont eh Ravens board in sort of a personal sociological experiment. Believe me MaLor is just having fun as are Jackma and Raven. The love the team and , yes, they do suffer from Ray Lewis overload syndrome but ultimately I don’t think they are bad guys, they are just passionate and feel compelled to defend their team at every turn. If you just want to banter back and forth they are fun guys. If you want to talk logically discuss the relative merits of the Bengals versus the Ravens, well that is not going to happen. Believe me I have tried. MaLor and the others I have mentioned are far from the worse Raven posters and no where near the “brain like a sackfull of as* holes” Steelers fans. The Steeler team is degrading faster than the rocker panels on a 82 Chevette and all of the bondo in the world isn’t going to help.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Amazing what one decent season does to the Bungle faithful.
You’d be a lot less mouthy if you had gone 3-13 like you have been very well used to over the years. No worries…what;s your rhythm lately? Up, down, up , down, up , down…? Tell me which year it is this year. :)
And no, I’m not a “cocky” Steelers fan, just one a little tired of Bungles fans. But I’ll shut up. The season is around the corner, let the teams settle everything on the field. e-fighting is for ’tards.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
This is a great place to spend your time if you're tired of Bengals fans.
But I’ll shut up.
Long overdue.
Can you believe this troll.
Saying
e-fighting is for ‘tardsHe’s probably got more posts e-fighting than any one here. Unbelievable!
I remember you from before, bro.
No case of hemmorhoid cream is large enough to put a damper on your inflammatory tendencies. And like I said, look at my ORIGINAL posts. They were fine until I was attacked by Bengals fans like yourself. I’m sure you’re held in the highest regard in your own house. Right.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
As a Steelers fan
Your behavior here is disgraceful. There’s no honor in this. Once the conversation stops being football related, on this football forum, there is no reason to continue the discussion. Even if you think you have an extremely clever jab about hemorrhoids, just stop. You do have every right to post here (regardless of what the regulars are saying) but if it’s not constructive you’re just giving Steelers fans and fans in general a bad name.
Bro,
I didn’t attack you. All I said was stop posting on our site. You can end all of this if you just leave. This is our site and your here trolling. Your the hemorrhoid that’s irritating all of our ass. Leave, it’s that simple, bro..
But I guess you like being the hemorrhoid?.. B/c your the one that keeps responding and posting degrading remarks on our site.
protip
The next time you want someone to stop posting, ignore them. Pleading with them to leave is pathetic.
You know what's pathetic?
Trolls that come over to other sites just to start shit. They say that they came over here to just have conversations but when they criticize someone and offend them, they try and blame others for their wrong doings. It’s pathetic that they have to keep posting shit over and over again to make a point. Nobody here wants to read the shit or even have to put up with it.
We (the majority here) are pretty good people in general and would rather not be harassed by trolls such as yourself.
I guess your the next hemorrhoid that needs preparation H to stop the ignorance stupitity..
John, I don’t know what we did/said over at the Beatdown, but doesn’t classifying all Ravens fans due to a few conversations (on a blog that only gets a few hundred comments per day) go against the logic that you claim to have and use? Honestly, I think your distain is more a function of your emotions and hurt feelings than logical thinking. I’m not ripping you… just trying to be honest since if seen several comments where you’re expressing bitterness toward Ravens’ fans.
As far as this issue, post and subsequent bitter comments are concerned, I think everyone needs to take a deep breath. It seems like several Bengals fans were extremely angry about Benson’s arrest. Maybe they felt like the Bengals were finally starting to move in the right direction, and then this incident reminds them of the horrible seasons of the past. Obviously, the division rivals want revenge after being swept, and there will always be jerks who come to gloat over your teams struggles. Like I’ve said to you before, John, football is a competitive, testosterone-filled sport and naturally attracts hot-head people who want to fight, argue and win at all costs.
Finally, I would be careful getting too cocky, Bengals fans. Please don’t flame me for saying this because I’m doing my best to be objective and tread lightly. The point is that you guys won and swept the division last season and deserve some respect and enjoyment from that. However, don’t think that this league respects anything from season to season.
Just remember the 2007 Browns. They had a 10-6 record that year. They also struggled down the stretch. I can remember the following off-season. The Browns fans were intolerable. You would have thought that they were a dynasty by their comments, and no matter what facts or logic were brought before them, they were always right. I can remember having a discussion with a Browns fan who insisted that the Browns’ defense was better than the Ravens defense. He even compared their safety at the time, Sean Jones, to Ed Reed. This guy isn’t an idiot either. He’s actually a smart guy and is still a regular at DBN. During and after the 2008 season, the Browns fans at DBN had one of the hardest times that I’ve ever seen on a blog. Members from every AFC north blog were on their site mocking and ridiculing them for their past arrogance. They tons of long, heated arguments and fights that make this post and the comments over the last few days seem mild. DBN started banning people for minor comments because it got so bad. I was actually banned for a one word comment… “Bam.”
All of that is a true story and is only meant to serve as a warning. I know that the Bengals appear to be better than the 2007 Browns, but that is using hind-sight. I remember the 2007-2008 off-season. All of the experts were picking the Browns to win the division again, and Jamie Dukes even picked them as a dark-horse for the Super Bowl. The NFL doesn’t respect past success, and even the good teams need to earn it year-in and year-out. The ability to repeat success is what makes a good team/franchise, so before you guys get too cocky, I would wait until the Bengals back it up with a few more winning seasons.
I’ll put it this way: In this division, any team can win in any given year. Only two years ago the Bengals were 4-11-1. Two years ago, the Steelers were Champs. I like our team, I respect your teams and I can’t wait to see how 2010 plays out.
This is our year!
It's going to be fun.
Honestly, football is just awesome fun for me. I think we all feel the same way. Whether we’re hoping to defend a title, or going through a special teams that leaks like a sieve, an offensive coordinator in love with quadruple TE sets and not running the football, and losing games uncharacteristically in the 4th quarter….as much as I hated all of that last year…it was a good time. Hanging out with friends, hoping for the best, sometimes seeing it. Other times, not so much.
Look at the Bengals. 4-11-1..!! To division champ! Talk about what a good time you guys had last year…and yes, at the expense, partially, of the Steelers, which made it even more sweeter, and the Ravens, all the more sweeter still.
Makes me wonder what the Steelers will do in response…if the Bengals can put together back-to-backs…what darkhorse team gets the monkey off their back…what top-tier team falls. It’s all good stuff.
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
This a perfect example
First of all I didn’t classify all of you – in fact I defended several of you.
Secondly, I made more than a few posts. I visited regularly for over a year.
Thirdly, I didn’t say you weren’t entitled to be defensive of your team and let your eyes roll back in your head in Raven fervor. You have had a successful team. I just said that as bengals fan it is difficult to get a rational and objective football discussion over there. I said many times that I think the Ravens and Bengals are very close and the difference will be the injury factor and the schedule and going into the season, at that point, I gave you a slight edge. I think that is a reasonable assessment.
Fourth. I mave heard more times than I can count that because of the Ravens winning history and the Bengals losing history that the Bengals are simply pretenders. Then in the next breath the recent past, like last year, is not important. I have said many times that the performance last year is the past and this year is all that matters now then I hear all about the Ravens past glory. The past seems to matter when it suits you but is no factor when it doesn’t.
Fifth, I have read there where Carson isn’t worth a crap and never was. Joe Flacco is way better than Carson ever was because Flacco has won playoff games as if it was Flacco that won it for them and not a great Defense. Flacco didn’t exactly light it up in those games. Our corners are way over rated and your corners are just as good. These are just a few of the gems of logic I contended with.
Sixth, Here again you actually think you have the power to “hurt my feelings”. Sorry, my feelings are doing just fine. Did I get frustrated in my attempts to talk football rather than smack? Yes, but if I let smack hurt my feelings I would have shot myself after the first week at your board. I wanted to talk football and I did. In fact I remember a post where MaLor considered me the most objective poster on the entire Ravens board.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I understand that you’re not really going to have your feelings hurt. I just meant that your opinion of Ravens’ fans is a result of emotion, not logic. The fact is that every teams has bone-headed fans, and if I were to use your logic, I would walk away from every team’s blog thinking that their fans are “delusional.” Every team has fans that are jerks, and it would be ignorant to believe that a certain team attracts more than the others. Your experience with Raven fans is only on SBN, which is a very small sample.
As far as all the other points that you brought up, I’m not sure what they have to do with our conversation other than the fact that they are examples of why you’re frustrated with Ravens fans. Honestly, I don’t want to get into it with you. I have my opinions of the Ravens and the Bengals, and you do too. They are just that… opinions, not facts, and even as objective as you think that you are, I’m sure that you’re wrong occasionally. Everyone has opinions, and opinions are the reason that we spend time here. If football was simple math, people wouldn’t need to argue about anything. They could just compute the Super Bowl winners years in advance.
The point is that no one knows who is truly right about anything. Sure, we can make accurate guesses, but the beauty of football is its unpredictability. Therefore, your opinions are no more valid than anyone else’s. You can think that they are, but in the end, no one really knows. That’s why it’s important to respect other people’s opinions and referring to people as “delusional” because they don’t share your opinions is obviously bad logic and the result of emotional thinking.
OK
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
For the record:
1. The only thing worse that the Steelers organization is Steelers fans.
2. The only thing worse than Steelers fans is Ben Rothelizwhateverthefuck. And maybe Cubs fans.
No amount of prosperity is sufficient to eliminate all misfortune, and sloth is impervious to opportunity.
I love that you guys hate us
and think about our QB while boning your wives.
Stay classy Cincy. And you know damn well how to spell his name.
There is no dark side of the moon really .. .. .. matter of fact it's all dark
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