If It Ain't Broke: Bengals Defense Will Be Similar But Better in 2010
To those who think that last year's Bengals defense was an anomaly that will suffer a letdown this season, think again. In Mike Zimmer's third year with Cincinnati, this group is ready to reach new heights as they collectively enter their prime. That said, it will nonetheless be a new defense in many ways, as the wisest men in football know that to remain static is to be left behind. So then, the question becomes, in what ways will it be different?
The most logical place to start would be the new guys on defense; the best part being that there aren’t many. Even though scheme and style should always evolve, keeping the same personnel is vital to group dynamics and trust amongst the team. Looking from the outside in, one could tell that not only had the players bought into Zimmer, they bought into each other. A good example of that is how well the backups played last season. We hear Marvin Lewis tell his players to "do your job", and that is easier done when they trust that their teammates will do the same.Yet, like every year, there are some new rookies. The first and most exciting prospect on defense is, of course, Carlos Dunlap. This is a player who once had first-round pick written all over him. Then questions arose concerning his work ethic and enthusiasm for the game and his stock dropped. This formula typically equates to landing with the Bengals since they are always on the hunt for a bargain. So here is Dunlap; a long defensive end who is expected to arrive to camp weighing upwards of 290 pounds. Unless he amazes his coaches this July and August, he isn't likely to start over Antwan Odom or Robert Geathers ,but if his pass-rushing potential shows itself even a little, we should see plenty of Dunlap on passing downs.
Then there is Geno Atkins—a squat defensive tackle who is said to have an explosive first step and is often disruptive in the backfield. Atkins joins an already quality tackle rotation, and the more fat guys a defensive line has, the better.
Lastly are the two new corners, Brandon Ghee and Adam Jones. Both men will be involved in an interesting nickel-back competition that also should include Morgan Trent. Ghee is a bigger corner and the idea of someday moving him to free safety has been bantered around. But like most rookies, he has much to learn before he can be relied upon. Jones, while not a rookie, is something close to it; crawling back to the game, relegated to the cheap contract of a nomadic and out-of-work player. He too needs to prove to the world, but more importantly to the team, that he can be trusted on the field and off.
Aside from the new acquisitions, the most interesting fresh develop of note is Zimmer's decision to move former defensive end, Michael Johnson, to outside linebacker. To the casual fan, this seems vaguely interesting at best, but to the keen observer, this is a move that could transform this defense into a 3-4, but I don't see it happening in the short-term.
If you look around the league, you might notice how rare the 4-3 defense has become. Every year there seems to be more and more converts to the 3-4, as teams try and imitate the Pittsburghs and Baltimores of the world. Zimmer and the Bengals have rejected the trend, sticking with the old-fashioned four linemen and three linebacker defensive set, but Johnson is the quintessential outside linebacker for the 3-4, so why not take the thought further and build that kind of defense for the Bengals?
If MJ is pushed to the outside, that moves Rey Maualuga to the middle where many fans—including myself—would like to see him end up anyway. That leaves Dhani Jones as the other middle linebacker and Keith Rivers as the weakside linebacker. Johnson can rush the passer and running back on the strong side, Rey and Dhani can shoot gaps and stuff the run up the middle, and Rivers can clean up on the weak-side once plays are forced into that direction. That all sounds pretty exciting to me.
Still, if you're going to run a 3-4, you need more than the right linebackers, you need the right linemen too, and this is where the theory breaks down in my opinion.
A 3-4 line should be composed of three men close to, or over, 300 pounds, whose primary objective is to stop the run and free up rushing lanes for the linebackers. They should also have pass-rush ability themselves, but their girth is more important than their moves to the quarterback.
The middle man of these three should be the largest and anything below, say, 320 pounds, probably won't do. The optimal nose-tackle should be of silver-back gorilla stature and athleticism—though tree-climbing isn't necessary. While Domata Peko certainly appears as something enormous and wild, Pat Sims, Geno Atkins and Tank Johnson are more standard 4-3 tackles, and it takes more than one gorilla to make a band.
As for the ends, the girth doesn't seem there either. Odom added weight last year and listed at 280, but that isn't big enough to take on interior linemen on a regular basis, nor is the similarly weighted Geathers. Dunlap may become big enough to pull it off, and Jonathan Fanene seems like a good fit in a 3-4, but the starters make too much money to not play to their strengths.
Perhaps Zimmer could mix in some 3-4 looks on passing downs to utilize Johnson more effectively and to see if the other guys can hold up in that formation, but I wouldn't expect any radical change.
I do think the Bengals will blitz more in 2010 though. Accumulating more sacks was mentioned by both Zimmer and Marvin a number of times this offseason. Employing many pass-rushers and rotating them in as the game progresses can be a relentless weapon against fatigued offensive lines; Steve Spagnulo's front four with the New York Giants a few years back comes to mind as an example of how devastating a deep line can be. Cincinnati certainly has the corners to leave alone in space which allows safety and linebacker blitzes to unfold more easily.
They also have players who have demonstrated an ability to rack up sacks. If Odom can return to last year's form after coming back from an Achilles injury, Geathers would benefit from the attention Odom would then command. If Rey doesn't have to cover as often, he can blow up quarterbacks like we saw early last season.
If the pass-rush gets stouter, the secondary should get more picks. If the team generates more turnovers, they should win more games. It's one big equation that is undoubtedly scribbled within Zimmer's office somewhere.
Yet the biggest factor in the equation, once more, is trust. Blitzing is risky business, and everyone has to trust it will work or the whole thing is doomed from the start. The Bengals return every single starter on defense, plus every worthwhile backup from last year's impressive squad. They proved to themselves they could dominate, and they shocked many people in the process (I'm looking at you AFC North).
So while the defense will at times "feel" different and, in all likelihood, will be even better this season, it's still the same guys doing what they do: buying into the system.
Mojokong—save the polar bears.
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polar bears aren't extinct yet?
Seriously.. can this offseason go any slower?
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jul 16, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
I know right..
Lets just call it a week and a half until training camp opens!! I cant wait to watch our boys do work. Do work son!
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jul 17, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the MJ move and the whole 3-4 discussion is overblown.
Marvin has continually abandoned a move to the 3-4 during his entire tenure – mostly because he hasn’t been able to find the right big man to play NT. He tried with Sam Adams, he tried to get Shaun Rogers, he tried to draft a few. Never worked out. So when the team made Peko their franchise D-lineman, they dedicated themselves to the 4-3.
And even more so when they brought in Zimmer. Zim has never been shy about expressing his preference for the 4-3. The switch in Dallas was what led to him leaving. He fought so hard to bring in Roy Williams because he said he believes his decline on the field was due to the switch and he always played better in a 4-3. Ditto for Tank Johnson.
Aside from MJ, there really isn’t a natural 3-4 defensive player on the entire roster. But that’s what’s interesting to me about the “switch.” I don’t think there’s anything permanent it. Clearly the most natural thing in the world for MJ is to put one hand on the ground and rush the passer. He’s a physical freak and that’s not a complicated role. He’s got it down. If we started him over Robert Geathers he’d probably have 10+ sacks easy. And that still might happen. But MJ’s also really smart and can handle more than that. Most 4-3 defenses morph into somethign of a 3-4 on obvious passing downs anyway. Last year, when MJ was on the field, every offense knew exactly what he was there to do and could try to stop him. Now, we can stand him up in those situations and no one will know if he’s coming after the passer or dropping back into a passing lane (or multiple ones…dude’s armspan is ridiculous.) You’re still going to see him on the line more before 3rd down, he’s just going to become a more versatile part in the Zimmer machine. With Dunlap and Atkins, I’m really excited to see some of the variations Zim is going to come up with. If Odom and Williams are back at 100%, this defense could push the Jets for the #1 spot easily.
you are correct sir
There is nothing ‘magical’ about the 3-4, you just have to have the right personnel, which we don’t.
The two knocks on our defense last year were;: 1) low sack totals and; 2) our depth in the secondary. MJ is a year older and better, hopefully odom stays healthy and if atkins and dunlap make any impact whatsoever we are looking good on issue #1.
We drafted Ghee signed jones and gibril. Barring major injury we’ve adressed #2.
Yes we could still use a monster safety and a monster DT but there is no reason to think our defense won’t be tough as hell next year.
by goffchile on Jul 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats a good point
Our 3-4… will probably be largely used in passing/nickle situations to keep the O confused. Johnson is a natural outside linebacker in a 3-4 with his Huuuge wingspan, overall athleticism, and pass rush abilities and should be able to create havoc in the backfield
No one really said we're switching to a 3-4
But if you’re looking to get after some good qbs, the key is making sure the offense doesn’t know where the pressure is coming from. That’s what mj working as an lb is all about.
RIP Slim.
by brandone on Jul 19, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3-4 for situations
I see them switching it up to a 3-4 when playing teams like the colts and saints to keep the elite qbs guessing. Brees and Manning wouldnt have the benifit of studying the 3-4 looks as much as the 4-3 and could make it harder for them to run their designed gameplan.
Manning, absolutely. Although he’s still good enough that if you play it exclusively all game long he’ll figure it out by the third quarter or sooner (see Jets, AFC Title game). But as a change-up, if he’s not expecting it, it can be effective. Once or twice.
Brees? Not really. Not at least for confusing him. The Saints are “officially” a 4-3 because that’s their base alignment. But they played at least one entire game (Buffalo) in the 3-4 last year and probably around 35% of their defensive snaps for the season were in a 3-4. Now that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be effective. If Shockey is hurt again or if Bushrod doesn’t improve then the 3-4 may confuse the OL and get sacks as a result. But it won’t be by confusing Brees.
pre-reply: for evidence of what I say about Brees, look at the Miami and Dallas games last year. When the line (especially Bushrod) failed to hold off the rushbacker coming from his blindside, he struggled. Any QB would, and sacks, fumbles, and INTs resulted. But when Brees either got protection or stepped up in the pocket or whatnot, he carved them up more often than not.
If you're hurtin'
I see Tank Johnson ain’t gonna stick around to give nobody a helpin’ hand.
Of course not..
If he sacks Sanchez and flattens him, his not going to stick around to help him up. He just put him on the ground. That’s his job. Duhhh!
A South Side gang member was sentenced to 55 years in prison today for the murder of Tank Johnson’s bodyguard and best friend inside a River North night club yesterday. Circuit Judge Joseph Claps said he had no doubt that the evidence showed Selvie was responsible for the slaying, but reserved his harshest words for Johnson, who left his friend bleeding on the floor of the club when police arrived. Johnson later lied when he told police he was not present for the shooting. Johnson testified that he lied because he did not want to lose his job and his future with the Bears was already tenuous following a string of legal troubles.
nice copy and paste..
he also probably ran because some freak just whipped out a gun and shot his best friend.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jul 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you an eyewitness
If you weren’t there don’t act like a fool. What does Johnson need a body guard for anyway, he’s 6’3" and weighs 300lbs.
its just easier to deal with people like you when you have a bodyguard.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jul 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that why my wife and three daughters all have body guards. Maybe next time Tank won’t hang out the same places I do, grocery store, COSTCO, my mothers, cd store. TANK, STAY AWAY FROM THOSE PLACES, YOU COULD GET KILLED MAN!
Your mothers?
Is it close to the cd store and CostCo that’s next to the bar that Lewis killed somebody at. I hope you didn’t grow up there b/c Tank would be afraid of you too. I would be, b/c that’s a terrible hood. I’d get my mother, wife and three daughters out of there, or are you teaching them to be thugs trolls too.
I Can cut and paste too
PUnto , its funny that you come to our sight as a non bengal fan and try to find things to pick at. How did feel when you got punked 2 times by the Bengals again!! Punto tell me how my azz tastes.
btw the way ,troll, ask stallworth how drunk/high he was when he killed that poor old man.
I’m sure him and Ray Ray have other things in common too.
“, ask stallworth how drunk/high he was when he killed that poor old man.”
You must mean the poor old man who broke the law by illegally crossing a highway. If you read what happened, he ran into the side of Stallworth’s car. At least Donte stuck around and tried to help the man. People die from pedestrian error every year.
great point. It’s the pedestrians fault that Stallworth was driving drunk and killed somebody.
Nothing proves that Stallworth is innocent than a DUI manslaughter charge.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction
a "DUI manslaughter charge conviction.
This is our year!
by Paul Cannon on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
RE:
We could also say that Stallworth was illegally driving 10 MPH over the speed limit — driving 50 MPH in a 40 MPH zone.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Both at fault
But what you don’t want to admit is that both people were at fault. If the pedestrian would not have broken the law none of this would have happened. I could see if he hopped a curb and hit an innocent person, but he didn’t. You and everyone else are too pig headed to admit that the pedestrian was also breaking the law. I will admit both people were breaking the law, can you do that.
slingblade..
You truly are a dufus. I find you amusing. Please share with us some more of your fine insite.

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