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Bengals Players: Whose Stock is Rising and Whose Stock is Falling

Like most good teams, the Bengals have a nice mix of veterans and rookies. Some players are in the twilight of their careers and others have long and prosperous careers ahead of them. The older guys are important because they give the younger guys direction and show them the ropes. The younger guys are important because they are the future of any team. Recently, Bleacher Report published an article about what Bengals player stock they feel is on the rise and who's stock is falling.

Players in their prime:

The only player that Bleacher Report says is in their prime on the entire Bengals roster is Chad Ochocinco. I completely agree that Ochocinco is in his prime but I completely disagree that he's the only Bengals player in his prime. I think Carson Palmer is in his prime even though he's had a couple rough years. I also think that Cedric Benson is getting to the point where he's in his prime and he showed us all why last season. I'm not exactly sure what the guys over at Bleacher Report are thinking but before I get too mad and start punching my screen, let me tell you what they said about Ochocinco.

At age 32, the prime years for Chad are starting to run out. He was completely shut down by Darrelle Revis in the last two games of the season, catching a total of two passes for just 28 yards. However, Ochocinco is best served with a speedy and reliable option next to him and he finally has that again with the addition of Antonio Bryant. He also won’t play every game out on Revis Island.

Players on the rise:

Bleacher Report thinks that Bernard Scott, Jermaine Gresham and Antonio Bryant are on the rise. I think it's funny that they completely forgot to mention the entire Bengals defense but I guess it's easy to forget that they finished the season as the fourth best defense in the NFL. Oh well. I do agree with the three guys they picked out even though it's hard for a rookie to be on the rise. Bernard Scott was impressive when Benson sat out a couple games last season and I have a feeling that Bryant will be impressive as hell since this will be the first time he's ever had a quarterback with any talent throwing him the ball. As for Gresham, two words: game changer. If that doesn't land you on the "players on the rise" list as a rookie then I don't know what does. About Scott:

Scott had a solid rookie campaign as a complement to Cedric Benson, posting 321 yards on 74 attempts. It doesn’t appear that Benson will be suspended for his recent incident at a bar, but it reminds all Scott owners that he’s just one Benson mistake away from fantasy prominence.

and Gresham:

His college resume is outstanding. He produced 66 receptions, 950 yards, and 14 touchdowns in 2008, giving him 111 catches, 1,629 yards, and 26 touchdowns in his three years in Norman. Those are big time prospect numbers from a position the Bengals have been needing production from for a long time.

and Bryant.

After stints in Dallas, Cleveland, San Francisco, and Tampa Bay, Bryant comes to Cincinnati with the coaches hoping he can replace the late Chris Henry as the deep threat to their offense. Bryant exploded in Tampa Bay for 1,248 yards and seven touchdowns in 2008, but a swollen left knee limited him to just 600 yards and four touchdowns.

Players with falling stock:

Before you read this, let me warn you, you're about to get mad. At least you should be mad about what you're going to read. It's the most ridiculous thing ever and I'm gritting my teeth to the point that they are starting to crack. Okay. I'm calm now and I'm going to try as hard as I can to be as subjective as possible. Here we go.

According to Bleacher Report, the Bengals players whose stocks are falling are Carson Palmer, Cedric Benson, Matt Jones, Chase Coffman, Andre Caldwell and Jerome Simpson. WHAT THE &@#%?!? Some of these I can sort of agree with but most I definitely don't. You already know what I think about Palmer and Benson but let's see what they have to say.

Palmer has seemingly lost some of his trademark zip and overall arm strength. When you watched him last season, it was obvious that something simply wasn’t right. His deep ball accuracy was suspect and he tended to float passes to open receivers in the middle of the field. While the team and Palmer himself insist nothing is wrong, it’s tough to watch tape and truly believe that.

While still just 27 years old, the risk with Benson is significant. He’s shown a history of off the field issues and poor judgment. While that seems to fit right in with the Bengals, he’s probably one strike away from a serious suspension. His latest incident in a bar likely won’t be that strike, but it’s a reminder that owning Benson can be uncomfortable at best.

I don't consider what Benson did in Chicago as a "history of off the field issues". I see it as a guy who made a couple mistakes but seems to have grown up. And as for Palmer, I agree that he had an off season last year. Who knows what the problem was. He was in a different system, he didn't have the talent at wide receiver that he had in the past, his thumb didn't allow him to utilize the play action. I don't know but what I do know is that Palmer's stock isn't on the decline. He's going to show a lot of fantasy owners why he's a top tier quarterback this season.... I hope.

On to the receivers:

Matt Jones: Unfortunately for Jones, he’s looked incredibly ordinary in practice so far. He’s sitting squarely on the roster bubble for the Bengals and should sit squarely on the waiver wire in your dynasty leagues.

Chase Coffman: Any chance he had for dynasty league value went out the window when Jermaine Gresham was drafted. Coffman has shown some ability, but he’s buried on the depth chart now.

Andre Caldwell: He looked to have a lock on the No. 3 receiver position, but he’s being pushed by a rookie from Texas who we’ll talk about later. Regardless, his ceiling is going to be as a situational slot receiver with the addition of Antonio Bryant to play opposite Ochocinco.

Jerome Simpson: He’s been a project for a while now and it’s just about time he shows some promise. He’ll likely beat out Matt Jones for a roster spot, but playing time isn’t in the cards any time soon. He’s only a stash in the deepest of dynasty leagues.

Andre Caldwell may have some competition at the receiver position but I haven't forgotten about the guy who caught two touchdown winning passes in the final seconds of close games. I don't think his stock is falling, it might not be shooting to the top right now, but it's not falling. Chase Coffman may have less of a chance now to wow people now that Jermaine Gresham is in stripes but I think the Bengals still have plans for the record breaking college tight end. As for Jerome Simpson, obviously the guys at Bleacher Report don't keep up with the Bengals. Simpson has been looking impressive so far this off season and a lot of writers believe that this is his year. Finally, when it comes to Matt Jones, I think if this is Simpson's year, it won't be the year for Matt Jones.

Well, I feel like Bleacher Report, just like everybody else, is drastically underestimating the Bengals even if it's for fantasy football. Now that I've almost broken my computer with my rage induced typing, why don't you tell me what you think.

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i refudiate this article

I agree on scott. The dudes the real deal if he stays healthy. Playmaker!

It’s hard to see how a guy who’s stock was never that high to begin with is falling. Caldwell for example—a third round draft pick who is in his third year and has made modest but significant improvement every season. Stock falling?

Simspon has bearly seen the active roster—falling? Perhaps there were hopes with his draft spot, but his stock bottomed out last year.

Its totally subjective blither blather..

by goffchile on Jul 19, 2010 8:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The truth hurts...

They were spot on in their comments about Carson. Hopefully he’s over whatever made him so mediocre last year and will be back on the rise, but if he’s still lobbing it around this year then I think it’s time to move on.

Benson hasn’t gotten in trouble in a while, but the fact that he has that image means he’s under a microscope. If he’s in the vicinity of criminal activity again he can and probably will be suspended, regardless of his involvement. That makes him a significant risk. Hopefully he’ll stay smart off the field and on the field play like he did against the Packers and Jets.

by indesignkat on Jul 19, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like fantasy

Sounds like the rise and fall in fantasy football rankings based on their potential playtime compared to what might have been expected at the end of last year.

Coffman’s dynasty league value went down when we got another No. 1 receiving TE. Not that Coffman is any less of a player.

by StLBengal on Jul 19, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

If you consider it from a fantasy football perspective, most of this makes sense. The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me is Cedric Benson’s falling value. The guy is THE work-horse RB of the Cincinnati Bengals. When looking for running backs, finding a guy that carries the largest workload on a team usually means more consistent high scores on a weekly basis. Cedric Benson, Maurice Jones Drew, Ray Rice… these are all guys who’s value should remain high. Unless they believe Scott will take a significant number of Benson’s carries, it would seem that the sentiment that the Bengals are a bunch of lawless troublemakers might color their opinions on a the player’s value.

by SnapCount80 on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont you guys proof read your posts? typos in the headline, really?

by Cry on Jul 19, 2010 9:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Really, Cry? Really?

No apostrophe in your contraction? Misspelling the word proofread? Misuse of a comma in your second sentence? Not capitalizing the words which start your sentences? REALLY???

Troll…

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

it bothers me

when people comment about grammatical errors rather than offering an opinion about the actual post. i get especially bothered when they themselves don’t use proper grammar when they complain about improper grammar.

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

if it were up to me,

I wouldn’t even allow posts on two things, grammatical errors and those damn advertisements that people post trying to sell knock-off crap on a website

by whodeydoc on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

troll? i’m not an editor i’m a reader. different standards apply don’t you think?

by Cry on Jul 20, 2010 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bleacher Report? There may be one decent article in a thousand there, but 99.9% of the time those guys make Mike Florio look intelligent and wise.

by FriarBob on Jul 20, 2010 4:47 AM EDT reply actions  

This is very true.

Really though it seems like the article was referring to fantasy stocks and as such I don’t think anything was really that off-base at least from at outsider’s perspective.

by Jaegner on Jul 20, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

How does this surprise anyone?

First and foremost we all know we get no respect in the NFL by the vast majority of writers and networks. So how does that change for Fantasy? Not by much.

Regarding indivdual players:

Scott’s value rises simply because if Benson goes down, he is the man until Benson returns or we get a Larry Johnson-esque player to fill in. I think in either case you are stupid to draft Benson and not handcuff Scott after the draft or very late. Speaking of Benson, he should be getting more love, but consider the source. After training camp if he still looks strong his value goes up. Off the field issues in this case are causing the glitch, but that’s all it is.

Carson’s value will plummet until he starts putting up some numbers. He won’t be picked top 12 QB in most non-homer leagues. My thought is to go for Brees or someone like that and then probably reach for Carson cause I feel I have insider info that says he will be on fire for many games.

Matt Jones: Probably won’t make the team.
Coffman: Would you REALLY pick Coffman before Gresham? Easily the #2 TE and not likely to be drafted or even picked up on waivers unless Gresham is inuured or he start jamming moster numbers and TDs.
Caldwell had unimpressive numbers. A post draft pickup.
Simpson: Had no numbers. A post draft pickup.

Defense should be ranked higher but again, consider the source. I will probably grab them once Defenses start getting plucked.

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Jul 20, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

As for the defense

Although our defense was excellent last season, if you look at it fantasy-wise, several other defenses scored higher. Since the scoring generally is driven by turnovers, sacks, etc. rather than effectiveness, despite how important to the team it was, the defense wasn’t really a fantasy stud. That might change this year if Odom and company stay healthy and the offseason work on creating turnovers pays off. Time will tell. But you can probably wait for the defense in much the same way that you can wait for Palmer. … in non-homer leagues of course.

by SnapCount80 on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Also our Schedule is a factor for the Defense not being looked at

Look at the laundry list of talent we are going against. We certainly have a defense to keep us in any game, and even win some for us, but will they be able to keep Brees and Manning, and Rivers and Sanchez, etc to below average numbers?

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point

The schedule this year is brutal! On a positive side, playing these teams during the regular season will give us a good idea of how far the team should be able to go in the post-season, should we make it there.

by SnapCount80 on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

why are you reading bleacher report?

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

"Countdown to Bengals Training Camp"

will reveal this answer to you.

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops. What I meant from above was...

If there’s two Bengals that have been piled that I don’t feel deserve it, it is Carson Palmer and Andre Caldwell. People seem to forget that Carson had a bum thumb, no preseason work because of a bad ankle and basically no 2008 game work coming into 2009. Not to mention the fact that his “number 2 WR” was a ghost a lot of times. While I think that he’ll never be the “Number 3 QB in the NFL” that he was in 2005-2006, I think he’ll be a top 5 or top 10 QB when 2010 is done.

As for Caldwell, people forget that he was only in his second year and barely playing at all his rookie year. They thrust him into a pretty big role (#3 WR) and filled it pretty admirably throughout the first half of the season, especially when Coles actually made plays. People also forget that he was responsible for two of the biggest wins in 2009—Pittsburgh and Baltimore (as was Carson, for that matter). He is NOT a kick returner, so it’s kind of unfair to place undue blame on him in that aspect as well. I think he’s a career #3/#4 WR and will make some more plays this year.

Either way, 2010 is a BIG season for these two guys. They need to produce.

by Anthony Cosenza on Jul 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Carson and Caldwell. That's not the issue

The issue is that they need to produce. Caldwell had the opportunity to shine when Henry broke his arm. Instead, Cosby showed me far more game than Andre did.

And yes, Carson. He’s point man for “needs to produce big in 2010” for the Bengals. Carson has a killer year, and we are deep in the playoffs. Cause if he’s producing, then that means his line is blocking, his WRs and TEs are takin care of business and the Defense is kickin ass and takin names.

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Jul 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

in Carson's defense..

Great numbers for him and a kickass defense are probably mutually exclusive. It’s just the way football works. QBs generally put up ridiculous numbers when the defense isn’t getting the job done and the team is stuck in a lot of shootouts.

That’s not to say there isn’t a whole world of room for improvement in Carson’s numbers without relying on shootout-style games to pump them up, just sayin.

I was probably one of the loudest beating the “CARSON PALMER KICKS ASS!” bass drum a few years ago (hard to judge as I’m in Kansas and most everyone else around here just gives me a blank stare when they find out I’m a Bengals fan), but I’m really getting tired of waiting for him to get back into shape.

by indesignkat on Jul 20, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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