The Annual "Is Marvin Lewis on the Hot Seat?" Post
Pivoting off something Josh wrote earlier, I'd like to take the discussion about Marvin Lewis' future with the Cincinnati Bengals in a slightly different direction. First, here's Josh:
You remember it, don't you? The era in time before Marvin Lewis joined the Cincinnati Bengals. I remember it. I used to call it the Age of Helplessism, for not only did we feel helpless, but the Bengals appeared entirely helpless. Every season would approach and that gut in my stomach pulsated a Book-of-Eli feeling in which the world was desolate and the winds gusted despair. (Doesn't Gary Oldman play the best villains?). Back then, I wasn't excited like I am now. Back then, I literally held onto a fool's hope, thinking that maybe, just maybe, the Bengals will withstand a brutal schedule and surprise us all.
Oh, yeah. Not only do I remember that, I still feel it. The Lost Decade left a permanent mark. And I suspect I'm not the only Bengals fan for whom the last seven seasons -- even 2008 -- have been like ambrosia. Describing the futility of the Nineties as "epic fail" is like describing the sinking of the Titanic as a "minor shipping loss." In seven seasons, Lewis' Bengals have finished with fewer than eight wins twice. In the 12 seasons before Lewis, the Bengals finished with fewer than eight wins...11 times. Lewis has finished with fewer than four wins zero times; five times in the 12 previous seasons, the Bengals ended the season with either two or three wins.
I can wallow in the misery of these numbers all night, but I think everyone gets the point. The Bengals' Nineties-era nickname of Bungles was well, well, well-deserved. Back to Josh:
Then comes Marvin Lewis, galloping on his draught horse from the East with Valyrian Steel in hand....After a 2-14 season in 2002, the Bengals went 8-8 during Lewis' rookie coaching season. After a 4-11-1 season in 2008, the Bengals went 10-6 in what could be coined as Lewis' masterpiece season, winning six additional games than the season before and keeping a team together after tragedy struck several times
First, let me state my preference for Carsultyal steel, but I understand the point. Like a mythical hero, Lewis strode onto the scene, Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl ring flashing, cleaned out the stables and made the Bengals safe for truth, justice and the Skyline 4-way. And so:
Now, the question is on everyone's minds. With Lewis entering the final year under contract, what does the future hold for Lewis and the Bengals?
I have a different question: why should we want Lewis to stay?
Yes, Marvin Lewis has done an amazing job as Cincinnati's coach. But it doesn't follow that that means no one else could do better.
If Lewis leaves, we may end up with another Dave Shula. Or we might land the next Bill Belichick.
To be clear, I am not calling for the Bengals to dump Lewis. I think a lot of Cincy's struggles during his tenure have been due to circumstances beyond his control, and that his successes have been all the more notable given the bumbling ways of the Bengals' front office. I am in no rush to flip that Dave Shula/Belichick coin -- especially when the flipper is Mike Brown.
But...is Marvin Lewis the coach who can take the Bengals -- and us fans -- to the Promised Land? Or are we just relieved at being average with the occasional playoff shot every few years, after more than a decade of being ground underfoot by the rest of the league? Is a fear of a return to that "Age of Helplessism" keeping us from calling for the Bengals to find a better coach -- or do we really think we have the best coach we could have?
I don't know the answer. I carry too much baggage from the Nineties. I drag it around like Marley's ghost, and I know I'll never be free of it. But I also know that it's easy to get satisfied when things are going okay, if not great, and in that situation there's a natural tendency to avoid risk. Yes, you might improve your situation -- but you might make it worse, too. So you stay put.
Are we staying put? Is that, perhaps, why Mike Brown has not moved more quickly to extend Lewis? And might he be right not to do so?
As I said, I don't know the answer. But more and more I am coming to think that Lewis is on a hot seat of sorts. After last year's campaign, when even the butcher's bill of injuries to key players didn't prevent the Bengals from sweeping the division and making the playoffs, well, there isn't much of any excuse now. Anything other than a deep run into the playoffs will be a failure. If Lewis can't achieve that, then maybe it is time for a new direction.
Bottom line: In Marvin I still trust. But the hour is getting late...
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I think consistently being in the playoffs
Is the standard we should go by…However I believe it took a decade to tear up this franchise therefor it’s taking Lewis a decade to fix this franchise.. I feel we are on the verge of sustaining success under Lewis much like the Cowher year’s of Pittsburgh.. Did they make the playoff’s every year? No.. but the Rooney’s stuck with Cowher and they almost always had a chance and often did make the playoff’s which in the long run gave them Championships.. I don’t believe in firing and hiring new coaches every third year to try and fix a franchise.. Give Marvin a couple more years I think we are on the right path…
I think...
If we perform well again, make the playoffs, Lewis should definitely stay…
If not… it could be time to move one. He’s had way more time than most coaches to turn their team around their team. And to his credit, he’s done that. If he can’t win with the best talent available, and this is the most talent we’ve had in years… then maybe we should find someone who can take us to the next level.
Heres the thing
Barring major injuries, if the Bengals dont at least make the playoffs this year, Marvin should go. People keep saying the Bengals wont win because of the schedule. I believe that last years team was very good, and with another year and the influx of talent this offseason, this years team should be elite caliber. That means despite the schedule the Bengals should have the better team on the field on most sundays. If Marvin is able to weather the storm and guide the team to its potential then he has by all means earned the right to unquestionably coach this team for ahwile longer. If not then thank you sir for everything you have done (and I mean this most sincerely) but another person should be in charge. If for some reason the team doesnt make the postseason and Mr. Lewis is let go, the incoming coach will already be on the hotseat as the team is built to compete for a few years with the core of players on the roster.
He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.
i’m still a huge fan of the marvin for gm movement. zimmer for hc possibly?
by Cry on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Marvin Lewis
In his own words, “is a good thing” for the Bengals. Somehow he gets in MBs ear more than anyone prior. If we lose coach Lewis MB will replace him w a robot who does what he’s told. I like the cowher reference too. Get a guy you believe in, give him the tools he feels he needs to win and ride w it. Success is built in a sturdy foundation which takes time.
by quickslant on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It all depends on how the season plays out.
Example #1: Bengals crush their enemies, seen them driven before us, and we hear the lamentations of their women, then Lewis will not only keep his job, but probably be crowned king of the Queen City.
Example #2: Bengals have internal blowups, game breakdowns, suffer multiple heartbreaker game losses and fail to reach the playoffs, then Lewis could be ousted to prevent Paul Brown Stadium from being burned to the ground.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
ESPECIALLY hearing the lamentations of their women! VERY important!
Seriously, though, if Marvin leaves before Brat does, we’re in a world of hurt, because that means (I’d bet) Zim goes with Marvin to wherever he HCs next, leaving us with our new HC…Bob [#!$^-ing] Bratkowski!
If anybody’s on the hot seat this season, with all the improvements that have been acquired (Bryant and yes…Matt Jones), drafted (Gresham, Shipley), added through subtraction (Larry Johnson), plus the improvement and maturation of guys like Caldwell…really…it’s GOT to be Brat.
by TheWalrus1971 on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Marvin has nothing to worry about.
He will either coach here or there are several teams out there who would snatch him up. He has built this team, he has the coaches he wants and we are probably the best team who will need a HC. He will HC somewhere next year. If he leaves and we find out it was because MB wouldn’t take a reasonable position with him it will confirm what many strongly suspect. MB is a turd.
I cannot understand why MB won’t consider a GM or at least a good assistant GM to work between himself and Marvin. I would vote for Sam Wyche myself. It just makes sense.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Assistant GM = Katie Blackburn, for all intents and purposes.
by TheWalrus1971 on Jul 21, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, he needs an assistany GM.- at least.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
OK, here’s the answer. It doesn’t matter whether Marvin stays or goes as HC. He’s not the best HC ever, but he’s pretty good, and even with the crappy support structure around here he’s worked some near-miracles in his time here. As others said, he’ll either be here next year or somebody else will snap him up in no time flat.
What matters is if he (or somebody else at least reasonably competent) gets the GM role and powers.
Mikey isn’t going anywhere by force. Trying to pretend it’s possible to force him out is like dreaming that you can find Atlantis by buying a 30 foot sailboat and a fish-finder and puttering around until you stumble upon it. But he eventually will retire. If ML can keep the ship afloat in the short term, maybe Mikey will eventually surrender that role to him and retire. Even then I don’t consider it super likely, but it’s possible enough that we can consider it slightly more likely than a pipe dream.
Hey there Friar
It doesn’t matter whether Marvin stays or goes as HC
If this were a different franchise with a different owner I’d agree with you, but you said yourself that
even with the crappy support structure around here he’s worked some near-miracles in his time here
I think that if he leaves, then all those structures that he built up are going to come crashing down. The Bengals would have to start over again at square one.
This is our year!

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