[Bengals Training Camp Preview] Five Bengals With Something To Prove
There's a good reason why many write pieces that ask which players, or coaches are on the hot seat. Most of it is conversational fodder. Rather than writing who is on the hot seat, let's take a look at players this year with the most to prove. This isn't a slam on any one player. The fact we're including them on this list only maintains their value. With that in mind, we decided to take a look at the offense; not because we're splitting the feature into two postings, it's just that when the list was comprised, we were left with mostly offensive players.
Carson Palmer. Is this a way to suggest that if Palmer doesn't succeed this year, that he's done, thrown in the compactor of abyss as another great Bengals quarterback that couldn't win us a Super Bowl? Is this a way of hinting that the Bengals should move on with a new quarterback next year? No, no, NO! But if one player has the most to prove on this team, factoring previous successes, then really, is there anyone bigger than Palmer? In truth, the perception of recent disappointments really hasn't been 100% Palmer's fault. We could cite the injury in 2008 that held him back that year -- even though in the four games he did play (one of which was with the injured elbow against the Cowboys), Palmer averaged 182.8 yards-per-game and recorded only three touchdowns against four interceptions. We could cite the shift with a rushing offense in 2009, along with little help from receivers and Tight Ends as more reason not to fault Palmer.
The truth of the matter is, none of that matters. Palmer is in another league, compared to the average player. He's not just some quarterback we drafted after the third round, or stole through free agency. He's Carson "freaking" Palmer. The former God of the Golden Arms. There's a reason that he's the highest paid player, therefore substantially encouraged to not only to be the best on the team, but one of the best in the league. Unfortunately, after recording back-to-back seasons with 4,000 yards passing or more and 25-plus touchdowns, the production started falling -- his fault, others' fault, it doesn't matter.
In fairness, last year is the best example of how every factor of the team's personnel and philosophy helped give the perception that Palmer had a down year. He wasn't bad; as a matter of fact, in the first half of the season, when it counted, he was the reason the Bengals generated come-from-behind wins late in the fourth quarter. Nor did he appear like a franchise quarterback; especially true in the second half of the season and into the playoffs; again, receivers not stepping up definitely contributed. Most of the league has detached the "elite" title on Palmer already and most top-five NFL quarterback lists exclude him (and in some cases we see Mark Sanchez ranked above Palmer). Now with a new crop of weapons at his disposal, Palmer will be able to prove that he's still an ass-kicker. No. That's he's still the God of the Golden Arms.
Prediction: God of the Golden Arms returns in a sequel like the Godfather II.
Andre Caldwell. One of the many reasons for Palmer's recent disappointments was simply the lack of options amongst receivers, or generally speaking, his pass catchers (since we'll gladly include the greatness that is Daniel Coats). Beside Chad Ochocinco, the Bengals lacked much in the way of progressive down field attacks -- per Football Outsiders, only 15% of Palmer's throws were deep passes -- less than Chad Pennington in 2008. Yikes.
Caldwell's disappearing act in 2009 was a concern at the time. We've written it several times this offseason. In Caldwell's past ten games in 2009, the wide receiver never recorded more than 35 yards receiving and he went half a season without scoring a touchdown. Granted, perhaps our expectations were unrealistically too high hoping for a high-volume receiver -- his career high is 54 yards receiving in a game.
I's not like we blame him totally; the Bengals just didn't have enough weapons to let receivers like Chad, Laveranues Coles or Caldwell to break free from double, triple (if not 15-man) coverages. When offenses can't stretch the field, coverage areas underneath become populated with mean defensive players in which guys like Caldwell can't find a gap to catch the football.
In his defense, Caldwell wants to prove us wrong, as much as we hope he does. Marvin Lewis said that Caldwell was probably the most improved player during the offseason. However, with Jordan Shipley and maybe even Dezmon Briscoe, Caldwell is in dangerous territory. He has a lot prove to remain the team's number three wide receiver.
Andre Smith. Sign a contract that guarantees you at least $21 million at a time when the Bengals were desperate for offensive line help and expectations will be dramatically higher than any one player on this team. Then fracture a bone in your foot which takes you out the first ten games of the year, have offseason surgery that prevents you from doing any offseason work with the team, and you better believe that you have a lot to prove.
Is Andre Smith's participation with the Bengals critical? That might be a bit dramatic on the scale of melodramaticism; but as it stands Smith is probably the strongest and most balanced right tackle the Bengals have; we saw glimpses at the end of last year that he's good enough to play and likely has the biggest upside (pun totally intended) of all the offensive linemen.
But Smith needs to perform. More importantly, he needs to be healthy. If injuries hurt his overall participation this year, bringing about an encore of 2009, hell, we'll gladly throw him on the Hot Seat list. Perhaps a list of first round busts by the Bengals? No, no. We won't go there. Not yet at least. Anything less than mauling poor defensive ends and linebackers in Pittsburgh and Baltimore will be disappointing. However, not only will Smith need to prove that he's worth first round status with the money he's "earned", but he has to prove that he can remain healthy in the first place.
Jerome Simpson. During a time in which Chad's future was in doubt and T.J. Houshmandzadeh was projected to be long gone after the 2008 season, the Bengals tried to prepare for a future without both receivers, drafting eventual heirs in Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell. Unfortunately, we have to list both receivers on this list. While Caldwell hasn't had anything near the production of Houshmandzadeh -- or even given us a reason to believe he ever will -- Simpson simply hasn't produced. Or maybe the more proper word is participated.
In his two seasons with the Bengals, Simpson was listed as inactive in 22 of the team's 32 regular season contests. Even though he played in only eight contests -- he was Active-DNP in two games in 2008 -- Simpson's career totals include one reception for two yards -- he left the game after his lone NFL reception with an ankle injury.
Much like Smith, Simpson isn't in that critical category; meaning that the Bengals won't rise or fall depending on his participation. But for Simpson this year, who watched the Bengals sign a veteran wide receiver over the offseason and drafted two receivers in late April, has a lot to prove. Especially considering that the increased competition could mean that he misses the cut entirely when the Bengals 53-man roster is introduced.
Mike Nugent/David Rayner. We have a hard time projecting which place kicker the Bengals will go with this year -- though our gut says Mike Nugent. A competition between the two kickers in late June went neck-in-neck with Nugent converting all 12 attempts and Rayner only missing one -- a 54-yard attempt.
Once the competition is settled and once the Bengals have their place kicker, the real fun begins. And it won't be fun. It'll be pressure. Mega-pressure. Nugent/Rayner will have to deal with the ghost of Shayne Graham's struggle with clutch kicking. Not only is it critical that any NFL team have a place kicker that can make clutch field goals, but both kickers will be forced to do it in Cincinnati, where fans will spit acid for blood at the next field goal missed during clutch situations.
NOMINATIONS
Adam Jones - Though he's close to having an inside track being the team's third cornerback without much competition and without much fear of losing his job, Jones will have other things to prove. Like that he's changed and he's turned into an upstanding human being with a moral conscience. Or that he got a stable girlfriend.
Chase Coffman - This is an interesting one for us. While expectations for the sophomore tight end are relatively low now, they were plenty high last year with most of us praising the Bengals for having a tight end that can make a huge difference in the passing game. So we were a bit off. Instead, he struggled so much at blocking that Daniel Coats jumped him on the depth chart and then injury took him out for the rest of the year. Now there's no telling what will become of Chase. Will he be a backup tight end, playing the other tight end in duel tight end formations?
Matt Jones - Much like Adam Jones, Matt Jones had decent talent before he was forced into a vacation last year. However, early reports indicate that he was less-than-impressive during offseason practices, most of which described him as being slow off the line. Jones will likely fight for one of the final spots on the team's wide receiver roster; a spot which would generally be awarded to guys that contributes on special teams also.
You've read my list. Now it's your turn. What's your Top-Five list of players that have a lot to prove in 2010?
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Carson Palmer
Andre Smith
Jerome Simpson
Antonio Bryant – I’m optimisitic that he will produce. He better not be another Laverous Coles. That would not be good. When he pulls in his first TD, I will expel a sigh of relief.
Quan Cosby – Poor Cosby. The guy ranks right up there with the best PRs we’ve had, and there’s already talk about switching him out with adam jones. And if that’s not bad enough, we’re talking about him not even being on the roster come game time. Sheesh. He’s got to prove he can still return like the wind, and he has to prove he deserves to be on the WR list as #6.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
Give Cosby half a chance
And he could be the next Hines Ward.
You mean Talent-wise, right?
Not smiling asshole, snotty attitude – wise.
I can’t see Cosby ever acting that way though. Honestly, I am pulling for him to make this team because if does, he could get a spotlight as a return man AND as an alternative reciever. I thought he had a great 2009.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
by UpStateMike on Jul 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Cosby will be our #5 receiver this year, which is basically a spot reserved for special teams. The #6 spot will go to somebody who isn’t going to contribute on STs, but would be a valuable backup if somebody goes down (i.e. Jerome Simpson or Dez Briscoe). Even if he doesn’t return every punt, we’ve seen that he’s a relentless blocker who won’t give up on plays. I hope that hasn’t gone unnoticed by the Bengals staff.
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Jul 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My five with little elaboration
1. Palmer – Obvious
2. Bryant – to become a legit 1b option his talent and contract would infer he is. On top of that, taking coverage away from the receivers working underneath routes and down the middle of the field. I feel he is the linchpin for the other pass catchers’ success (outside of Ocho)
3. Odom, though it could easily be Geathers or Michael Johnson – Someone has to be a consistent threat to rush the passer. I chose Odom because he was the guy last year who set the tone off the edge before the injury.
4. Kyle Cook – For the team to take the strides in the passing game we all hope for, Cook will have to improve his calls on the OL and truly be on the same page with blocking schemes and blitz pickup protections with Palmer.
5. Fui Vakapuna – Jeremi Johnson i paved the way for multiple 1200 yard runners. If the rushing attack is sustained from last year, he is going to have to be pretty good.
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Yea dude. How do you not remember a guy with an awesome name like TRONZO. Lol. It’s almost as kickass as Skuta. :)
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jul 21, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ANTONIO BRYANT
I completely agree with the first two comments stating Bryant has something to prove. Aside from Henry leaving us, the biggest problem with our offense was that our number 2 reciever was awful. Thus making our 3 and 4 recievers awful. The only time our passing game was decent was with Chris Henry because in all actuallity he was the number 2 reciever on the field (sometimes played like a number 1). Therefore, Bryant needs to step up and play well. It seems like there are more excuses than bullet points on his resume. Like Palmer, he’ll now have weapons around him so its time to produce.
+1
I’m not so much sure that my question is whether or not the guy will produce when he’s healthy he’s obviously showed at times he’s a monster … I’m concerned he’s not capable of staying healthy enough to make a 16 game contribution and if he is healthy can he keep his mouth shut when thing’s aren’t going his way.. He’s had a MAJOR problem with authority throughout his career.. Let’s hope he doesn’t try this crap here..
by JamesShively on Jul 21, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he has nothing to prove
(AB) he’s just a free agent that got picked up. In my eyes other than Carson, now with weapons, its whoever decided to go foward w the j Simpson experiment.. hence I put JSim himself and MB in the same boat. MB to prove he knew what he was doing and JS to prove he was worth a second rnd pick. We need that pick to perform on O last year whover it was
by quickslant on Jul 21, 2010 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is that on him or
The Bengals staff?
by quickslant on Jul 21, 2010 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
la la la la.
not listening…….
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
by UpStateMike on Jul 21, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Caldwell
There’s been a lot of talk about Caldwell’s issues as the season went on in this blog. I thought that Caldwell’s decline in production as the season progressed coincided with him being dinged up some. Nothing that kept him out of the game though. Right now I’m having a hard time remember what exactly it was … Am I making this stuff up? Can anyone else corroborate this? What I do remember distinctly is the hit he took early in the playoff game that seemed to mess him up pretty good. He landed on his head if I remember right. After that, Chad was essentially quadruple teamed.
Here’s my five
Carson (without a doubt)
Roy Williams (he’s got to be more frustrated than anyone else with how many games he’s missed over the past few years)
Antonio Bryant
Antwan Odom (some people think his early season sack-fest was a fluke and coming back from an Achilles tear is no piece of cake)
Bratkowski (can a name a coordinator here? The offense needs to get better and it all starts with this guy)
Honorable mention goes to
Chase Coffman – can he be an NFL tight end?
Coffman may have a larger role
than we think if Gresham misses any of the training camp. We have the abbreviated camp with the extra preseason game and at the rate first round picks are getting signed this year he won’t be ‘slotted’ for a while.
Have the Bengals ever signed a first round pick before the players above and below were signed by their teams?
Coffman may start as #2 TE.
Roy needs to prove he's durable.
I don’t think any questions his ability to play the game. If we can keep him healthy with his new forearm shivs for the whole year that would be KEY for the D.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
by UpStateMike on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Conventional wisdom says he's one dimensional
Roy’s big knock was that he is a liability against the pass. Besides, if you ask most people they would say the weak spot on our D is the safety position. He could be the playmaker we need at that position. If he can play that role I’d be more than happy with Ndukwe, Crocker or Wilson providing solid, albeit not flashy, play alongside him.
i agree
And its not a coincidence that these folks are on offense. The bengals o was in a spiral from 2006-2008. Last year it showed signs of life but if we are to be a top notch team we need an effective and efficient offense
On palmer, although is numbers were not great last year, I also think he showed a lot of maturity, grit, and determination-more so than I have seen. If he comes back with that some attitude with a retooled offense—watch out!
by goffchile on Jul 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have to disagree with the NO NO NO comment on replacing Palmer
If he plays as bad or worse than last year we need to start looking at the draft, possibly trading up to get Locker
And I wouldn’t mind if Lewis got canned either, so many of you seem to forget how bad of a game/time manager this guy is. SO WHAT IF HE HAD BETTER RECORDS THAN THE 90’s TEAMS BEFORE HIM, HE ALSO HAD BETTER TALENT, SOMEBODY ELSE COULD DO JUST AS WELL
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8 Years 0 Playoff wins
not a success in my opinion, I guess Bengals fans are to used to being the Bungles that we are satisfied with just making the playoffs, not me, I want rings and Lombardi’s falling from the sky
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by TennBengalfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You have unrealistic expectations...
The NFL is not designed like MLB or the NBA it’s built for competitiveness and the idea that any given Sunday one team can beat the other… You can’t just throw a checkbook around and develop a dynasty in one year… It’s actually very impressive that the word dynasty has even been used in the NFL.. So raining ring’s and Lombardi’s for any team is wishful thinking… I think the Steeler’s have the most rings and Lombardi’s and they have had 3 coaches since 1969… If they would have fired one of those coaches because they had a down year they may have broken down the whole foundation and started over again causing a set back in production and in the long run sacrificed Championships..
by JamesShively on Jul 21, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think you fully understand
of course we cant win every year + I know it’s any given Sunday. You have to understand we have never won a playoff game with Marvin and he better get it done this year with all this talent we have there should be no excuse why we shouldn’t go deep into the playoffs. That goes for Palmer as well, he has enough talent around him this year that he should get close to the 4000 yard mark and low INT if he is the elite QB that most everybody on here thinks he is. The O-line is very strong, RB is not an issue, TE should be exsplosive, and we have so many WR’s that it will be sad to see a couple very talented guys leave. So I think this year is put up or shut up for the both of them.
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by TennBengalfan on Jul 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not so much worried about Palmers yards
I think the Bengals could be equally effective with Palmer throwing for 3500 yards as 4.500 yards. What is needed is a 2-1 TD ratio or better. Last year, when Palmer threw 2 or more TDs for each INT the Bengals were 7-2, with the losses coming at Minnesota and at SD, which are respectable road losses. They were 3-4 in games where he did not compensate for a INT with 2 TDs. (I counted @ PIT in the 7-2 because there were no INTs.)
I think the Bengals could be equally effective with Palmer throwing for 3500 yards as 4.500 yards.
true.
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Jul 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
QB is a tough position
How about the expectations in Bradford that are coming. But a good QB is hard to come by and I fell we are in good hands at QB. For example, look at the leagues backups.. What’s the alternative?
by quickslant on Jul 21, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Marvin is the primary reason the Bengals have better talent. Some of his drafts haven’t panned out, but for the most part they’ve been very solid. And that’s compared to other NFL teams, not the sorry Bengals drafts of the 90s.
I agree that if Palmer doesn’t play well this year it’s time to move on. Say what you want about the lack of help on offense, but the guy was softly lobbing the ball last year and still couldn’t avoid throwing it over people’s heads and at their feet. He, in a word, sucked last year. A few years ago he was the only QB in the league you could mention in the same breath with Peyton and Brady, but last year he was embarrassingly bad. I’m sick of hoping he “returns to form”.
I dissagree with talk of getting rid of Palmer, if you remeber back a few years when the Cards sucked and everyone blamed it on Jake Plumber, But look what he did as soon as he had some help up in Denver, do you realy want to see Palmer go to another team and see him excel when he dose get the help
hmm…I don’t like that comparison to Jake Plummer. This is going to be a key year for Palmer. He could either be the next Drew Bledsoe (whose career withered away with injuries), or the next John Elway (who didn’t win a super Bowl until his last years). Or better yet, he could start winning some Lombardi’s now, in the prime of his career. :P
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Jul 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer
I don’t think we should give up on Palmer, but he needs weapons. Hopefully the WR and TEs that were brough in, along with Kelly’s return will be enough. The Bengals were 6-2 with Henry, 4-4 without. Palmer had a 2-1 TD to INT ratio with Henry, 7-6 without. The Offenses scoring dropped from 21 points a game to 13 without Henry. Every QB is better with good recievers, and no one can be good throwing to guys who can’t get open and drop the ball when they do.
Haha. I’m not giving up on Palmer. That’s why it’s Carson-Or-Bust
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by Carsonorbust on Jul 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Marvin, bobby b and co. were out-coached & made to look like a Div. II college team in that Jets playoff game. Not the 1st time, either.
I like Marvin, but he is WILDLY overrated as a HC, in my opinion. What do you think Parcells in his prime or Shanahan or Cowher (although I hate him) would do with this team?
by Bengals NFL Champs on Jul 22, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Bout time somebody really wathes these games and how this guy coaches, He is extremely overrated
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by TennBengalfan on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
watches
epic fail
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by TennBengalfan on Jul 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
OK Tenn, ML has made some silly little game management mistakes during his tenure, but the good outweighs the bad by a long shot. He’s completely changed the culture of the team, and is even starting to have some control over personnel decisions (which is a bit of a conjecture, but most of us have noticed that the last few years our drafts seem more like Marvin Drafts instead of Brown drafts). I don’t disagree that there might be better coaches out there, but I just get the feeling that if Marvin left this ship would sink pretty fast. Maybe Zim could step in, but we all know that great D coordinators don’t always make great HCs.
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by Carsonorbust on Jul 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
matt
Matt jones has always been slow off the line thats his style. If they would just keep him around and let him play he wont dissapoint. hes done average at jacksonville, but look at their qbs and the heavy run game they do. they just need to put him in when it counts and he will produce. 07 div playoff vs new england he had 130 yrds on like 6 or 7 catches and a td. could have had 200 or more but they didnt throw much. i wish people would quit saying he looks slow off the line hes 6 foot 6 long legged its very deceptive speed.
matt
he very well could be one of the top 15 pure athletes in the nfl. 4.3 speed close to 40 inch verticle. i saw him high jump in high school in arkansas state track meet he jumped like 6 foot 10
Still not sure why everyone is piling on Palmer and Caldwell...
Palmer: Came off of a major injury to his throwing arm and led the Bengals to multiple comeback drives and/or victories last season. On top of being injured for most of 2008, he was injured for almost all of preseason last year limiting him to almost no work which was critical to getting timing down with his receivers, particularly Coles. Speaking of Coles, he was a ghost for most of his time here. Couple that with a tweaked thumb and no Tight Ends AT ALL, and that’s why Carson wasn’t the numbers machine we’re used to. He’ll be fine if he’s healthy. Trust me.
Caldwell: The dude was only in his SECOND year last year and was forced to play a major role as a third receiver (sometimes #2 due to Coles’ ineffectiveness). He came up huge on the two biggest victories of the year last year, and I’m sure if you were to look at the numbers for #3 WR’s in 2009, Caldwell would probably be in the middle of the pack. He’s a going to be a career #3/#4 WR and nothing more, so that needs to be taken into consideration when looking at his performance.
by BengalAnthony13 on Jul 21, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
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Re: Palmer. Yea, we pointed all that stuff out. My point wasn’t so much that he belonged in the NFL or anything like that. Rather to prove that belongs back in the NFL elite quarterback club.
Re: Caldwell. That’s fine and good. But as it stands now, if the dude doesn’t step up, he WILL get lost in the fold and 2nd year will turn into an ineffective 3rd year and 4th year and next thing you know, he’s Kelley Washington and gone.
Like I said, I hope that Caldwell proves us (well, at least me) wrong here. I like the kid and he seems like a standup guy. But Shipley looks at him and says, “pardon me?” Well, he sings it with an awesome country twang.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jul 21, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson has never had less than a stellar year healthy. Not worried.
My list:
1. Marvin Lewis – Can he handle success?
2. Bratkowski – can he reinvent the offense and fully utilize his new tools
3. Bryant – He doesn’t need to prove he can play. Can he stay healthy.
4. The Oline as a unit – can they take the next step
5. M. Johnson – can he take the next step and be a dominate force
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