Bratkowski: Jordan Palmer Offering J.T. O'Sullivan "Fair Challenge" For Backup Quarterback
Since the question was raised Sunday Night, the general concern with this team, from fans, ranges from the offensive line's performance with the first unit to the team's backup quarterbacks. There are several discussions as to what's available at quarterback. Earlier in the week we tried to promote patience for both, simply because using that game as a judgment for, well, anything, might be a tad bit rash. And that probably should include the praise of Michael Johnson and Geno Atkins. If we were to be, you know, fair.
Still, it would be irresponsible of us not to point out one thing. That the two are connected. If the offensive line doesn't do well, no matter what backup or starting quarterback you have, they're not going to do well. And Bob Bratkowski points that out, saying:
“That second offensive line, for a lot of them that was their first work in the NFL. Hopefully they’ll slow it down and be better this game,” Bratkowski said. “(O’Sullivan and Palmer) have to play better, but you’ve got to remember, they’ve got to get protection, too. They ended up in a lot of third-and-longs because of penalties.”
That said, there is most definitely a competition between backup quarterbacks. While some predict -- while lacking foresight, substance or insider information -- that the team could go with two quarterbacks (including Carson Palmer), the issue doesn't change: Who backs up Carson Palmer? Geoff Hobson writes that Bob Bratkowski "thinks Jordan Palmer is offering 'a fair challenge' to J.T. O’Sullivan as the club’s No. 2 quarterback."
“If I’m going to be a truly good number two quarterback in this league, I’ve got to be trustworthy. That’s the big word: Trustworthy,” Palmer said when told Bratkowski says he’s challenging for No. 2. “The offensive coordinator has to say, ‘I’m fine with Jordan going in and I’m fine with these plays.’ I’m excited about having four games left. I feel good. I just have to show the organization what I can do.”
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JP over JTO
If JP beats out JTO there is no reason for JTO to be on the roster. Give that spot to Jones or Briscoe or Cosby or Skuta. JTO will be waiting for a phone call if we need a back-up during the season due to injury.
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I think Skuta has got his spot sewed up. He’s just too versatile to let go. Throughout his career (HS, College, NFL), the guy has played RB, FB, LB, DE, and Safety. And apparently he’s still capable of playing at least two of those at an NFL-caliber level.
I haven’t heard much about Briscoe though, other than he has the talent (a draft analysis somewhere). Matt Jones seemed like a cut for sure, then he came alive against Dallas, and looked very good, albeit against the third team. As for Cosby, I know a lot of people on this site like him, especially for punt returns, but I’ve never been a big fan, and I think Shipley or Adam Jones can fill in ably.
by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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I think you make a good point on Shipley. Cosby made the squad because of his punt return ability last year. The guy had good plays and a nice average, but I think Shipley can be just as serviceable if not better. I think the overriding point is that Quan offers very little to the passing game with the talent we have at the receiver position. Plus it would get Shipley on the field more right away. At this point I doubt JT would get picked up by anyone else as jim pointed out. No matter which way you go its not the most desirable situation. If Palmer the elder goes down, the season is over anyways.
I agree Shipley makes Cosby redundant
Matt Jones did a real nice job against guys that are a month away from asking me if I “would like to super size that for just 49 cents?” Don’t get me wrong, I liked what I saw from him. However, my optimism is cautious at best.
The real question is about the backup QB battle. Is it too late to dump both of these losers? How hard would it be to sign a real QB as insurance? If Carson goes down I would have zero faith in either one of them.
by steve whodey on Aug 12, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumping these two is out of the question considering Marvin's conservative nature.
I’d be content with dropping JTO and signing Pike or someone else.
skuta is good on special teams as well...
…that is one concern I have if we lose Skuta, Coats, Hodge, Cosby etc. These guys are the core of our special teams. It would be nice to find a way for at least Skuta and Cosby to stay on the roster.
Matt Jones did look good against Dallas, but he’s a five year vet playng rookies and marginal NFL talent. He better look good. I still don’t think he makes it.
Aside from his two absolutely horrible interceptions, I thought JP looked better than JT. But neither inspired my confidenc.
Teams
always need to be rejuvenated. Muckelroy, Shipley, Ghee, Coffman, and Tronzo (or Fui) will need to step up on Teams. In the end you have to rely on the overall improved talent to sustain the Teams, you can’t keep marginal talent because the give good effort on teams, you have to get your improved talent to contribute. THat is how the very good franchises remain good. They continually replace talent to create a next man up atmosphere.
Have to be careful, though.
A few years back we decimated the special teams core, and it took Darrin Simmons a couple of seasons to get it back into shape. You can only cycle through players like you’re talking about if you have the right personnel in place to do so.
by Craig Conrad on Aug 13, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
agree about JP looking better than JTO
at least Palmer has an NFL arm, stands in the poicket, and looks decisive when he throws the ball (even on the 2 ints, he threw it right at the defenders with such accuracy)
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by Joe Goodberry on Aug 12, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bratworst meant to say that JTO was challenging lil Palmer for the third spot
by quickslant on Aug 12, 2010 3:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kidding me..
Jordan Palmer threw 64 interceptions in his 4 years in college. Only once did he have a completion rate over 60%. (amazing with as good as he is throwing to the other team). Big brother is the ONLY reason he is here. Carson goes down were in deep sh*t!
I think we should keep Jordan and Dump JTO
Get a REAL #2 and then next year draft a top gun. This way Jordan continues to work with the practice squad and at least knows the O in case of his BigBro going down.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
Kitna gets cut in Dallas
Dallas goes to young guns and cuts Kitna. Cincy picks him up. Cut JTO and send Junior to PS. Carry 2 QBs.
Troy Smith in for Ravens 9:45. We need to get this guy if he becomes available
Agreed. Especially with all the talk about how they're thinking he may be #2 over Bulger.
Don’t see that happening btw, but he’s making a case. Looked good yesterday.
by Craig Conrad on Aug 13, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Both JTO and Jordie suck, so what's it matter
Put them both on Practice Squad. No team in their right mind would ever sign either of them as a backup.
O.K., so maybe that means Oakland would…. :-)
Make Matt Jones our backup and cut both JTO and Jordie
Matt Jones college stats aren’t much worse than any of those other 2 guys, and he actually played in a real football conference.
Maybe we can run the option with him or use him in one of these silly wildcat offenses?
Outside the box
Here’s an off the wall idea.
If Oakland cuts him, look into the possibility of picking up Bruce Gradkowski as a backup. He’s proven that he can win games (hell, he beat US, didn’t he?).
I do have to admit, originally being from Toledo, I’d like to see the guy get a chance to do well. He’s the best quarterback the Toledo Rockets have ever produced to my knowledge, and I’d like to see him end up with the Bengals.
Or possibly look into trading for Tony Pike.

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