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Counter-Argument: Andre Caldwell Makes The Roster

There's no question about it. I've had my complaints about Andre Caldwell. More specifically, using the same argument, I complained that Caldwell disappeared in the final ten games of the season where he averaged 2.7 receptions and 19.4 yards receiving per game. Furthermore, against the Lions and Jets, he was shutout. Then there was the fumble against Oakland with :41 seconds left in the fourth quarter during a 17-17 tie, giving Oakland prime field position at the Bengals 17-yard line. The heartbreak was complete as Sebastian Janikowski nailed a game-winning 33-yard field goal to beat the Bengals.

If you bleed the complaints into the preseason, he still hasn't caught a pass through two games.

Based on the argument in the FanPost, I wanted to make the counter-argument that I believe he makes the team.

After Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, the Bengals are likely to keep Antonio Bryant and Jordan Shipley on the roster; though recent reports suggest that the Bengals could give Bryant an injury settlement and let him go. For the sake of argument, there's four on the roster.

With Caldwell and Jerome Simpson included, the Bengals have guys like Dezmon Briscoe, Quan Cosby, Matt Jones and Maurice Purify fighting for the final two spots on the roster. Simpson, Cosby, Briscoe and Purify have combined for five career NFL receptions and Matt Jones, who didn't record a reception against Denver, hasn't played a regular season game since December 7, 2008.

Even though Caldwell did have a frustrating disappearance in the second half of the season last year, he also 51 receptions, including two game-winning touchdown receptions against Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Without those touchdowns, one could argue, the Bengals don't even make the playoffs last year. Comparatively speaking, Caldwell's 51 receptions last year is more receptions than Bryant has had in four of his seven career seasons.

You could make the argument for any receiver on the bubble to make the team. Matt Jones is a veteran receiver with good top speed. Quan Cosby is one of those players you love because he simply does everything he's asked, and typically he does it well with full effort. Dez Briscoe is a rookie, so his ceiling is far more optimistic because we haven't seen his weaknesses yet. And God must love Maurice Purify because he simply doesn't go away.

But you could make several arguments for Caldwell. For one, experience. The team has a collection of receivers that are inexperienced or coming off a one-year vacation. For two, production. His 51 receptions last year is the third-most on this roster after Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens. And how many game-winning touchdowns did all nine receivers have combined compared to Caldwell? So yes, he did produce last year, though not at the level we had hoped. If you want, we could group the entire argument to keep Caldwell into one word. Insurance.

So yes. I understand the frustration with Caldwell. We've echoed that debate dating back to last year when we started noticing that Caldwell wasn't producing. That being said, my bet is that Caldwell makes the team. Furthermore, based on what happens with Bryant, he's even more of a lock.

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Caldwell's production was circumstantial

If you substitute any receiver in the leauge for Caldwell on those two touchdown catches ha had, you could very well agree with me that the ball would’ve been caught. They were’nt PLAYS that Caldwell made. Pretty standard routes and catches.

Moreover, who did we have at receiver last year aside from Ocho? Coles? Of course Caldwell was bound to have a decent year. So that’s why you can’t base this year’s decision on last year’s performance. You have to base your decision on pure talent.

I see Briscoe, Jones, and Cosby, as having more talent and a more promising future than Caldwell with the Bengals.

On another note, even if Caldwell makes the team, his impact will be null barring any injuries to our 4 starters. I don’t think he’ll even be returning any kicks.

by jimbasa on Aug 17, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously, I don't get this Jones/Briscoe love

What have they done? Jones is slow off the line and he has massive problems separating with CBs and Briscoe hasn’t even played. I just don’t get their love.

by Mexal on Aug 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Massive separation problems from CB's?

I don’t think we’re talking about the same Jones.

by jimbasa on Aug 17, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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If you substitute any receiver in the leauge for Caldwell on those two touchdown catches ha had, you could very well agree with me that the ball would’ve been caught. They were’nt PLAYS that Caldwell made. Pretty standard routes and catches.

Yes, but Caldwell is the one that made those catches. The roster isn’t decided on “what ifs”.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 17, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That depends on who's in charge of the roster.

If a coach asks “What have you done for me lately, Caldwell?”, what can he say?

by SnapCount80 on Aug 17, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caldwell replies: “I haven’t fumbled the ball in awhile”

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 17, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caldwell will make the roster

All of the people saying that Briscoe will make the roster are ridiculous. He hasn’t shown us a thing and he’s a 6th round pick. As Josh said, Caldwell has the experience and he’s only a 3rd year receiver. There is no way he’s cut.

While he might not make an impact at receiver with TO, Shipley, Ocho, he definitely makes an impact on ST as a gunner. He’d make the team over Simpson if it came down to those two.

by Mexal on Aug 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

If Bryant gets cut...

then keeping Caldwell makes sense. If Bryant ends up on IR, then keeping Caldwell still makes sense. If Bryant is on the active roster, Caldwell likely winds up playing for another team. So yeah, Andre’s future with the team is strongly tied to what they do with Antonio.

Regardless, Shipley will see most of the slot action, so this is really about depth. I sincerely doubt they keep both Caldwell and Bryant on the active roster when neither one, much less both, would see enough action to warrant the move. The big question to me is, looking long term, where do they fit in? How long do they plan to keep 81 and 85? Is Bryant reliable enough to fill either players shoes in the future? Does Simpson look to factor in to the future of the club too? Can the team PSquad and groom Briscoe to eventually play a starting WR position? Do you ever really see Caldwell starting as a WR on a true contending team?

Personally, I think Simpson and Briscoe could be the semi-distant future #1 & 2 receivers for this club while Shipley and Gresham play their parts with great consistency. That would leave Caldwell as a depth player, albeit a familiar and comfortable option. However, I doubt Caldwell would be a content lifer in Cincy as a depth player.

Personally, I think Caldwell makes the team this year. But his future outlook with the team depends greatly upon injuries and/or other unpredictable factors.

by SnapCount80 on Aug 17, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I look at Caldwell this way

His numbers in year 2 were pretty decent and he is continuing to mature as a WR. Going into year three there really isn’t much to look at over his career and development that warrants getting let go.

From the outside, it is a little odd that he is running with the 3rd and 4th stringers in the first couple preseason games and we can all speculate as to why this is.

If it comes to it and Carson says he wants Caldwell or someone else over Caldwell, that is probably going to carry the most weight in what happens.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 17, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup

They’ll probably ask Carson, and that is who makes the team.

by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 17, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

In scenario 1, I’ll assume Bryant is on the active roster. I believe the final two receivers will be Caldwell and Simpson. Caldwell because of past experience and flashes of greatness, and Simpson because of his physical abilities and the heavy investment they’ve put into him that looks as if it’s starting to pay off.

In scenario 2, I’ll assume Bryant is on IR or no longer with the team. In this case, Caldwell definitely makes the team. The other two are Simpson and Jones, I believe. The 6th spot is hard, it could be Jones or Cosby, but I think Cosby brings little to the passing game (his strengths lay in special teams and kick returns).

by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 17, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

(his strengths lay in special teams and kick returns).

which is exactly why Cosby would be the better option. Jones would never see the field as the last receiver and holds no special team value that I have seen yet.

by SnapCount80 on Aug 17, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Jones

If he is kept, he wouldn’t be the last receiver or the one who is always inactive. Not saying they will keep him, just pointing out he is not a development guy and there is no reason not to have him on the field even if it is only in 4 wide sets or special packages.

This is also why I think he will be an odd man out unless the rumors about Bryant come to fruition.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

4 WR sets?

I would sooner use:
81, 85, 11, 84, 28/40

Gresham is a better receiving option than Jones. Keep Simpson as the “development guy” if you need one.

by SnapCount80 on Aug 17, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

not saying they are keeping him, just saying if they kept him it would be to use him and not sit him as a development player, which is the role of the sixth WR on this team barring major injuries.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones: played QB.. a long time ago

Cosby: best PR the Bengals have had in a looong time, one of the few WR who got open during the playoff game.

I like Briscoe, he is SO young. Keep him here, give him time. I do not get the Jones Craze, I hope to god they don’t keep Jones over Cosby.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why people continue to discount Cosby as a potential offensive threat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175767

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/cosby_quan00.html

Don’t forget how he was the only receiver who could do anything, anything at all against the Jets in the playoff game either. He’s just got to have a shot.

by Craig Conrad on Aug 17, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I think what hurts Cosby as a WR

is his age since he played a few seasons of minor league baseball before Texas and his size. I like his game a lot, but figure the powers that be don’t like his development potential at WR mostly due to those, especially when compared to Shipley and Caldwell who are playing the same position in the slot.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 17, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

While age can play a factor

I think the team is dedicated to winning today. With that in mind, I think the special teams play Cosby brings is far more important now than what the other closely matched depth receivers who likely won’t see any significant time bring. We aren’t looking for a long term contract with Cosby, but his special teams value at this current point in time is higher compared to that of the competition.

by SnapCount80 on Aug 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

For my money.

1.) Ocho
2.) TO
3.) Shipley
4.) Caldwell
5.) Simpson
6.) Cosby

IR or injury settlement for Bryant.
PS for Briscoe, fingers crossed he sticks.

by Craig Conrad on Aug 17, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Lotta variables, to be sure

My guess is:

Injury settlement reached with Bryant leaves us with Ocho, Owens, Shipley for the top three (I’m guessing, based on Carson’s abundance of love for Shipley and the fact that he’s seeing play with the first stringers, that he’ll start the season in the slot).

For the final three, I’d guess Caldwell, Simpson/Jones, Cosby, with Briscoe to the PS.

I’d guess Simpson makes it over Jones based on money/potential (yes, still, potential). Cosby, as the last receiver, mainly sees special teams duty. Briscoe hasn’t shown enough in the preseason to be that attractive to any team to pluck him from the PS, so it might be safe…

by nashville_chris on Aug 17, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

why in the hell would the Bengals cut Caldwell....it makes no sense what so ever.

Who cares if he has not caught a pass in two MEANINGLESS pre-season games. Carson Palmer has not thrown a TD in two games …..let’s cut him to. Ocho has caught what…..2 passes, he sucks let’s cut him to. Odom has not sacked the QB………release him…..lmao.

Caldwell looks great, he is down to about 190 lbs and looks faster than last year. Look who the QB is when Andre in there….if you want to cut someone it needs to be JT and baby brother.

Kenneth Lewis Moore

by lightskin350 on Aug 17, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Comaparing what the starters have done in the first two games to what a bubble player has done is not logic. Caldwell gained 400 yards last season, and was useless without supporting recievers. Odom led the team in sacks, Chad has led the team in recieiving yards 8 times. Carson is a former QB who had no competition brought in. You are comparing apples to oranges.

by jim0ijk on Aug 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me

I have no Caldwell hate, but I have to look at what is infront of me. The Bengals were not happy with their wide recievers past Chad in the offseason. They brought Matt Jones, Chris Davis and Antonio Bryant. They drafted a third rounder and a 6th. They brought in enough recievers to fill the roster, to me that means no one is safe except Chad, and Shipley as the 3rd rounder. Shipley, TO, Simpson, Cosby and Jones have had good preseasons. Simpson also has youth going for him (how many of you knew that Simpson is the second youngest reciever, younger than Shipley?). Caldwell was decent early last year, and reportedly has had a good offseason, which means he probably has to show less than others. He also provides some teams play which gives him a further edge, but he has to start showing something in the preseason. Right now I see him on the same bubble with Simpson, Cosby, and Jones.

Chad, TO and Shipley have made the team. Bryant will make it if he can last through a preseason game, and might make it anyway. If you assume 2 spots are available, right now I would keep Simpson and Cosby. If 3 then Simpson, Cosby and Caldwell. I think that Jones has to beat out Simpson because neither gives the team any teams snaps, so they can only keep one.

by jim0ijk on Aug 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I will be shocked if he doesn't make the roster.

Although Caldwell hasn’t shown us what we’d like to see, it is hard to argue that Simpson, Briscoe, or Jones have either.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the WR position is one that takes time for players develop. Cutting a guy in his third year who has shown some promise and has been heralded as “most improved” because he didn’t make a catch in a preseason game in favor of a rookie like Briscoe (who also needs to develop and hasn’t made a game appearance) or a veteran who is pretty much “what you see is what you get” (Jones—which isn’t that much) just doesn’t make sense.

At this stage what happens in practice is way more important than what happens in preseason games—the problem is we as fans only see the latter. I realize it’s easier to have (unrealistically) high expectations for players who haven’t provided much evidence to counter one’s hopes (it is true that Simpson or Briscoe have never fumbled in an NFL game) but I don’t think it is good sense to hang one’s hat on those expectations.

It sounds to me that the coaches are liking what they are seeing with Caldwell—so I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

by goffchile on Aug 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

My problem

is he is running against the 3rd/4th stringers on defense and still hasn’t made a catch….

by Throw the ball on Aug 17, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

These two statements:

“Even though Caldwell did have a frustrating disappearance in the second half of the season last year, he also 51 receptions, including two game-winning touchdown receptions against Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Without those touchdowns, one could argue, the Bengals don’t even make the playoffs last year. Comparatively speaking, Caldwell’s 51 receptions last year is more receptions than Bryant has had in four of his seven career seasons.”

AND

“Quan Cosby is one of those players you love because he simply does everything he’s asked, and typically he does it well with full effort.”

Are why these two guys NEED to make the roster.

1.) Ocho
2.) T.O.
3.) Bryant
4.) Shipley
5.) Caldwell
6.) Cosby
IR or PS Briscoe. Prefer to IR him to ensure keeping him.

If Bryant is IR’ed or let go:
1.) Ocho
2.) T.O.
3.) Shipley
4.) Caldwell
5.) Cosby
6.) Briscoe or Jones
If you keep Jones, IR or PS Briscoe.

by Anthony Cosenza on Aug 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

They are not cutting Simpson

1) Chad
2) T.O.
3) Shipley
4) Simpson
5) Caldwell
6) Cosby

That will be the WR depth this year. Guarantee it

by Diesel2405 on Aug 17, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caldwell makes the 53 man roster

1) Chad
2) T.O.
3) Shipley
4) Caldwell
5) Simpson
6) Cosby

www.fantasydaddy.com

by Joe Goodberry on Aug 17, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Bengals Will Not Cut Caldwell

He’s a proven WR whom ML says has had the best offseason of any man on the roster. I would cut T.O. before Caldwell.

by Who dey in LA on Aug 17, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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