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Six-Pack of Hu-Dey: Continued Story Lines of Bengals Roster Battles

This week's Six Pack of Hu-Dey is a simple one. We're back to old habits, examining areas on the roster that interest us, providing not-so-much predictions as we are confident feelers.

BACKUP QUARTERBACK. Will the Bengals keep three quarterbacks, or free up an additional roster spot for the secondary or wide receivers and only take two quarterbacks heading into the regular season? If only two, then will it be Jordan Palmer or J.T. O'Sullivan? All things considered, O'Sullivan appears to be the true backup to Carson Palmer, if for anything, he's the guy that trots in after the first-team unit takes the rest of the night off.

Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD INT Long Sck Rating
J.T. O'Sullivan 35 17 217 48.6 6.2 0 2 46 3 44.6
Jordan Palmer 26 12 115 46.2 4.4 1 2 28 3 39.7

Jordan's most significant time came against Dallas, where he attempted 20 throws. Against Denver, Jordan will held out until the fourth quarter and against the Eagles, there was eight minutes remaining when he took his first snap. It's still possible Cincinnati reverses their roles, giving Jordan the second-team snaps against the Bills and Colts; the latter figuring to be another game he'll get the bulk of his work. But as of now, the impression you get is that the Bengals favor O'Sullivan.

It's probably because they realize the same thing. O'Sullivan. Jordan. Doesn't matter. If Carson goes down for any reason, we're totally screwed.

RUNNING BACK. In 2006 and 2007, the Bengals went into the regular season with three running backs and a fullback. In 2008, they took three running backs and two fullbacks in Jeremi Johnson and Daniel Coats. In 2009, they took four running backs and a fullback. How will Cincinnati setup their running back roster this year? First of all, you have to account that Brian Leonard is expected to be out for much of the opening month -- that's September for some of you. It stands to good reason that the Bengals will take five backs this year. I'm just guessing here, but I think Cedric Benson makes the team. As will Bernard Scott and Leonard.

Here's where things get tricky.

Will the Bengals want a third healthy running back with Cedric Peerman or James Johnson? I would say that's a fair assumption -- a school that I'm more than willing to accept. However, the question at fullback tends to make it a bit murky. How far away is Fui Vakapuna from being a roster lock? Is his shoulder injury going to be his ultimate downfall? Or is the injury expected to last into the regular season, therefore forcing the team to take a second fullback until Vakapuna returns. Joe Tronzo, Dan Skuta Stuka Skuta or Daniel Coats could be that second fullback. Or has Vakapuna's injury knocked him so far backward that he's all but off the roster, giving those three fullbacks a shot? Tronzo, in my opinion, seems like the strongest of the three. But Coats has experience, and he's rumored to actually catch footballs.

If I were to make a prediction, then this is it: The sun will rise tomorrow and at some point you'll say the word, "awesome." Aside from that, I'm seeing Cincinnati take four pure running backs with Cedric Peerman and James Johnson battling for that fourth spot with a pure fullback being the fifth back. Surprise pick: Joe Tronzo.

WIDE RECEIVERS. Really, again? Must we continue talking about this? The Bengals have more receivers than they know what to do with.

Or do they?

Let's get the locks out of the way with: Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens, Andre Caldwell and Jordan Shipley.

Here comes the conditional statement: If Antonio Bryant is placed on Injured Reserve or released, then else. Cincinnati will have two spots on the roster. Injuries could factor against Maurice Purify, who in my mind wasn't a serious consideration. Quan Cosby's leverage came as a punt returner. Adam Jones and Jordan Shipley each have punt returns longer than Cosby this preseason. However, Cosby is getting the most looks, having seven chances to return the football (three fair caught), whereas Shipley and Jones each have had five (one fair catch each).

However, let's take away each player's longest return, which can artificially pump their averages.

  Returns Average
Adam Jones 3 12.0
Quan Cosby 3 8.1
Jordan Shipley 3 7.0

I really like Cosby. I like his work ethic and his effort is always noticeable on the field. And I think he has a decent shot at making the squad. Not only does he have the best kickoff return this preseason, other guys competing against Cosby as receivers aren't bringing anything more to the table that would force Cosby off the team. Matt Jones? Blanked through two games. Dezmon Briscoe? One preseason reception. Plus, I'm pretty convinced that the Bengals are keeping Briscoe on the down-low so they can sneak him on the practice squad by clearing him through waivers.

Finally, consider that the sixth receiver is often listed as inactive on game day. Enter Jerome Simpson; the receiver that's promoted with so much talent, yet so little of a brain. Alright, we kid. Somewhat. Most reports we've heard through the years is that he's still unable to grasp the playbook while improvising routes that leads to incomplete passes or interceptions during the preseason. What better way to keep a player on the roster that's most likely going to be inactive on game day? And what better person than Simpson?

Of course, Bryant could screw all that up. And as Marvin Lewis says, that's a good thing.

LINEBACKER. Cincinnati took six linebackers every year since 2007. In 2006, they kept eight. As of this posting, the Bengals have nine linebackers on roster, not including the recently converted fullback Skuta. If the Bengals take six, they'll have to dump three linebackers. Vincent Rey has received praise since the start of training camp, whereas Abdul Hodge, the sturdy special teams linebacker and Rashad Jeanty, still injured, haven't received as much love.

Still, if Jeanty isn't ready by the regular season, he'll be a roster exemption through the first six weeks.

You figure that Rey Maualuga, Keith Rivers, Dhani Jones, Brandon Johnson and Michael Johnson make the team. That would leave four players fighting for the last spot if they take six; two of which are rookies in Rey (not Maualuga) and Roddrick Muckelroy. In that scenario, I'm going with Rey (not Maualuga).

However, it wouldn't be surprising if the team elected to keep upwards to eight linebackers this year. While holding onto the rookies, the team can keep Abdul Hodge with the two rookies, most likely upgrading special teams and the overall linebacker depth. That being said, Muckelroy is likely to be the first man out, probably a practice squad candidate. How else do you explain that Jordan Palmer has more solo tackles than a rookie middle linebacker, who was the opponent of Chase Coffman during Oklahoma Drills in which the second-year tight end actually received praise for his blocking skills. Freaking yikes!

SECONDARY. We had to lump this into one category because, well, it's loaded. Historically speaking since 2006, the Bengals have taken 10 players in the secondary, save for 2007, where apparently the decision to release Blue Adams or Ethan Kilmer was far too heart-breaking to follow through.

  2009 2008 2007 2006
Cornerbacks 5 4 5 5
Safeties 5 6 6 5
Total 10 10 11 10

Locks in the secondary include: Leon Hall, Johnathan Joseph, Adam Jones, Roy Williams, Chris Crocker and Chinedum Ndukwe. That's six that we figure are sure-locks. You have to include Brandon Ghee and Morgan Trent as likely-locks giving you eight players in the secondary. Kyries Hebert is a special teams stud and Rico Murray could be the 10th player in the secondary for his secondary contributions.

That leaves Tom Nelson, Marvin White and David Jones on the outside looking in.

Respectable.

PLACE KICKERS. We didn't re-sign Shayne Graham. Now we're left with this. Any questions?

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Tough Decisions

Great job on the blog Josh
I think the most noitceable thing about all the decisions that except at fullback and kicker, players are making the decisions hard for the coaches for all the right reasons.
Personally, I would make the following calls
QB- What does it matter, if Carson goes down, season is over
RB- Peerman over Johnson, more insurance if Ced goes down and BScott can be 3rd down until Leonard gets back
WR – Go with Cosby, the guy can make big plays and works hard on ST, IR Bryant and keep Simpson. I just think teams will gobble up MJones and Briscoe is still learning (hopefully sneak to practise squad) and MoPurify doesnt make enough plays on offense to be worth a place purely for ST.
LB- Vinny Rey looks a player and Muckleroy hasnt be on the field enough, so hopefully practise squad?! I wont lose sleep if we let Hodge and Jeanty go.
Secondary – I like your choices but would have Jones in there for Murray, he hasnt made enough plays…is there no love for Miles?
K – waiver wire help it is then!!

by Simon Hunter on Aug 25, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

3 Positions

DB: Neslon will probably go IR then he can be relooked next year.

RB: If the Bengals keep Skuta, they can put Peerman on PS and use Skuta on 3rd down as required and on teams and use Tronzo as a lead blocker, then they cna go with the 6 LBs and 9 D-linemen.

QB: If they go 2 QB, they can keep Bryant on the roster and inactive, and still have slots for Cosby and Simpson.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Meant to add

JP has been plagued by drops where JTO has had bad throws. Against the Eagle JP had a completion, and drop by Hill and a incompletion that hit Cosby in the hands, and could have been an awesome catch, I haven’t seen too many JTO balls dropped. Something to consider.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Missing LInks are going to be guys not even on the roster yet

I like Cosby’s chances of makng this squad. He may not be WR#4, but he can make plays. He was a top 5 returner last year! He was cited for key blocks, and he’s just an all around baller with a great attitude and sense of the game. How can you overlook all of that and keep simpson’s potential? Crazy.

I think Jeanty goes on pup and abdul may be leaving. I don’t know though, that’s very very tough call with all this talent.

I see JTO Speedwagon hitting the bricks, Jorden getting to #2, and __] who just got cut/traded from [______] signed as #3.

Our kickers are sub par. They are the weakest link of our very solid team. We will be getting a very servicable kicker from __________] because he lost the position battle to young upstart _________].

Time will tell but Kicker and #3 QB are both guys that don’t have to know the system before week 1.

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Aug 25, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we go with 2 QBs. JTO will be on his couch and can be brought in in an emergency.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about if Delhomme or Colt McCoy enters the wire?

I’m normally not one to speculate about anything yahoo spews out as being very noteworthy, but take a gander at this!

Could the Browns cut Colt McCoy?
By Chris Chase
The winningest quarterback in college football history may be cut before he has a chance to take a single meaningful snap in the NFL.

Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Colt McCoy(notes) is “on the bubble” to make the team’s final 53-man roster, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Coaches are reportedly more impressed with veteran newcomers Jake Delhomme(notes) and Seneca Wallace(notes), possibly leaving the third-round pick as a camp casualty.

If McCoy is cut, it would cap a stunning fall for one of the most decorated college quarterbacks in history. During his time at Texas, McCoy led the Longhorns to an NCAA-record 45 wins and set a single-season mark for completion percentage (76.7 in 2008). Before last season, many draft insiders had the QB as a top 10 pick and he was expected to contribute at the professional level.

The transition from college greatness

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont’t think Cincy’s QBs are bad enough to the point where they would take on Clevelands fourth string garbage.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Delhomme isn't exactly "garbage."

And McCoy isn’t either. Delhomme is a veteran who has the ability to start in some places. McCoy is a good talent and at the very least could be a solid backup for years and years to come.

I’d jump all over either.

"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison

by sexsalad on Aug 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we might know of some players that know a little about Colt...

hmm… I like that part and he’s got way more potential than JTO speedwagon right from the get go. I think he’d be worth a shot to try and develop, and if it doesn’t look like he is going to pan you, you still have next year’s draft to reload.

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Aug 25, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was absolutely nothing in the Cleveland local paper and the Yahoo note that mentioned Delhomme getting cut. As for McCoy, i really don’t think there is anything that stands out about him versus what the Bengals already have that would warrant signing McCoy to the 53 man roster assuming Cleveland wants him on their PS. Getting cut from Cleveland has to raise some red flags even though he played college ball in a system that allowed him to put up some of the best numbers a college QB has ever put up.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy was one of the best QB prospects in the draft last year.

Like I said, I think he’ll be a good backup at the least and be good coming in, using some of his mobility and having a good arm. I think he can develop potentially into a starter.

"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison

by sexsalad on Aug 25, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would grab McCoy or Pike if they get released. I don’t see why either of them could not, at a minimum, contribute as long-term back-up QBs.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chase Coffman

Okay, so they called him “Crash Dummy” when he was a R.. so far this preseason he has been throwing some key blocks during run and pass plays. I am glad he still is flying under the radar, lets not forget, this guy has better hands then most of our receivers.

If Brat looks at the roster anytime between now and the BYE week hopefully he will notice exactly how much talent we have in all the right places. C’monnnn Brat!!

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Re:Brat and Twitter..

It’s almost like Brat already has a twitter account and tweets the next play to opposing defenses..

by JamesShively on Aug 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Oops.. Is this thing on?"

James, come on now. How many times when they lined up did you hear the play get called before the snap.

“Jeebus! Don’t even think about running the Shovel Pass on 3rd and long, Brat!”

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Aug 25, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

a small part of me worries that Coats will take Coffman’s spot just because later in games Coats get more snaps. Then reality sets in and I realize Coats in playing the in line TE position of Reggie Kelly, and Coffman is being used in the manner which we will see him during the season when he gets snaps.

I’m pretty excited with all the added pass catching talent for this season that was not available at this time last season.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t worry about Coats beating out Coffman. Coats never beat out anyone to make the roster injuries just panned out in such a way as to make him valueable.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, i am not worried Frankly, Coffman appears to have made strides as a blocker and on special teams. Big enough strides that there is no reason to cut him. I also figure, if the coaches want an added blocking TE with Reggie for goal line or short yardage, they will put in an extra OT.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed the reality sets in part of your post, as I skimmed your post, sorry about that.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

no worries at all. I figure 2/3 of the posts on this site wouldn’t happen if we all read everything.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lemme take a crack at this...

Backup QB: I’m going with the consensus here: if #9 goes down, the entire plan is screwed. JustTurnovers and #5 are NOT the answer, and as badly as I want to say that the Bengals have left behind them the days of “waiting to see if some other team cuts somebody that we can use,” I’d be more likely to take a flyer on a Colt McCoy or some other QB who doesn’t make it on Cut Day. And only keep one…none of this 3rd QB stuff; we need the roster spot.

Running Backs: Keep Peerman, ace JJ and Coats, make Tronzo the lead blocker and hope that Tony Rockyhara can be snuck onto the PS until healthy.

Wide Receivers: Batman & Robin, Longhorns Shipley & Cosby, Jones (because he’s tall and Carson has specifically called out his size and potential), and Caldwell…until (I predict) Bryant comes back from PUP. Wait…yeah, you watch. I’m just not sold on Caldwell. Sure, he’s been here long enough to know the offense backwards and forwards (paging Second-Rounder Jerome Simpson!), but I’m trying to think of any of his game-changing TD receptions where a cigar store indian couldn’t have done just as well, and I’m coming up empty. Plus, he’s a WR from the University of Florida…name me two NFL superstar WRs from that school! Name one!

Linebackers: I’ve said it before: I NEVER want to get caught in that same predicament (see: Bengals vs. Pats, Monday Night Football) AGAIN. Gimme LOTS of LB goodness…eight of ‘em! Rey (not Maualuga), Hodge and Jeanty (he’s just too good of an experienced Swiss-Army-LB to let go) in addition to The Five. Skuta may be a surprise keeper in that mix, yes. Sorry, Roddrick.

Secondary: Two things: 1.) I’m with you here re: those on the outside looking in, except you have to agree there’s a strong possibility that David Jones wrote his ticket with that Pick Six. That complicates matters somewhat. 2.) I just thought about this…somebody shoot a hole in this theory, please. Can we all agree that Adam Jones probably has better cover skills (numbchucks skills, computer hacking skills…) than any of our safeties at this point. And he does possess some speed. Could he NOT be converted to FS in some packages? Is he not just as fast as an Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu at this point? Is it just that he can’t bring the lumber like the rest of our safeties can? Somebody help me out here.

Kicker: Wonder who’ll get cut later on…wouldn’t it be funny if the Bengals ended up with Cundiff?

by TheWalrus1971 on Aug 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm with you on Jones...

and for the matter Morgan Trent. I would think that either guy would be better back there with their ball skills… but then again what do I know about converting a CB to a FS. Answer: Basically nothing. Still though, there’s something to be said about putting the best talent on the field as much as possible.

by The Dealio on Aug 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sold on Matt

He has good hands and good speed, but has no quickness and no feet awareness. As Chad said, he gets paid for his feet and his hips. Matt Jones has neither of these. Coffman and Gresham will provide tall targets in the red zone and on 3rd down.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

cris collinsworth was a superstar receiver from the university of florida.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Aug 26, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coats has experience at FB?

Usually when you say someone has experience at something, they were satisfactory at least. I wouldn’t say I have experience welding if, while playing with a MIG, I burned out my retinas and electrocuted myself.

by Heywood on Aug 25, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

DId you ever wonder

Why the drive thru ATM keypads have braille numbers on them?

2010 - The Year of the Tiger.

by UpStateMike on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder that frequently.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Aug 26, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roddrick Muckelroy

Um…why would they cut him? He’s a 4th rounder and a pretty solid player. If you think that Briscoe wouldn’t get through to the Practice Squad (which I don’t either), then why would Muckelroy? I think he’s a better player than Vincent Rey, Abdul Hodge or Dan Skuta—otherwise they wouldn’t have drafted him. All in all, I think that they keep 7 (Rivers, Rey, Dhani, B.Johnson, M.Johnson, Muckelroy and V. Rey). I think they IR Jeanty and PS Skuta.

by Anthony Cosenza on Aug 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeanty PUP for now, that puts off any decision until October.

by jim0ijk on Aug 25, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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