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Question of the Day: Would You Support An 18-Game Regular Season?

"We want to do it the right way for everyone, including the players, the fans and the game in general," Goodell said. "There's a tremendous amount of momentum for it. We think it's the right step."

I'm not sure what to think about the NFL's idea of converting two preseason games into regular season games, giving them a total of 18 in the season.

Sure, it sounds good. Fans that would normally pay for two preseason games, enjoy those games converted into regular season games. Well, at least some would, considering that season ticket holders would retain their own regular season seats. Would NFL teams charge more for two preseason games and 18 regular season games? Or would they leave the rate the same? Money, baby. It's the heart of all affections. But who wouldn't like to have more regular season games?

Then you think about it. Does eliminating two meaningless preseason games really matter? Consider that by week 17, a majority of the NFL playoffs are already determined and most teams that have their seeds slotted, possibly putting out a product that's not much better than the preseason. Look at the Bengals every year they've reached the playoffs during the Marvin Lewis era. Against Kansas City in 2005, Carson Palmer was pulled after the first two series on their way to a meaningless 37-3 loss. Against the New York Jets, with a football field turned skating rink, most of the first team offense took the night off at half time due to a 27-0 deficit. In fairness, a win and the Bengals could have clinched the third seed and played the Baltimore Ravens instead of the Jets during the Wild Card weekend. Did they try to make a comeback? No. Week 17 logic, and in some team's cases (see Colts, Indianapolis) week 16 logic, you pull your starters when you can, because a major injury during a meaningless week 17 game could be seen as a bigger disaster than losing someone during the preseason due the playoff implications the following week(s).

True. The dynamic does change with two additional regular season games. The Ravens were breathing down our necks towards the end of the 2009 regular season. And how we were playing with next to little momentum, it's possible that the Bengals would have made the playoffs with a Wild Card berth and not a division crown.

In the AFC last year, seven AFC teams had a shot at the final two Wild Card spots. The Jets and Ravens controlled their own destiny and each won. The Broncos, Texans, Steelers, Dolphins and Jaguars, all either a game over or under .500 heading into the final week, could have made it based on many scenarios. In the NFC all six playoff spots were already clinched, and all that remained was determining where the teams would be seeded after the Saints long ago clinched home field advantage.

Sixteen games would seem like a fair spectrum to determine the playoffs. This is similar to what Carson Palmer said during Mike and Mike in the Morning, basically that the importance of the regular season would slightly diminish. It's the same argument many misguided friends use as to why college football shouldn't have a playoff system.

Then there's compensation with the players. Don't expect existing contracts to be honored when two more regular season games would theoretically be played for free, compared to the current system. What about the NFL records that exist? How many will fall?

I understand with time, things change. And I love change. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have 18 regular season games. Hell, give us 20. Why not 22? But would they be meaningful, or would many fans be forced to watch meaningless games like they would the preseason? Sure, seeds can be swapped and a team that's barely won more games than they lost could slip through the backdoor. Most likely, however, we're talking about a small minority.

If money weren't an object of everyone's affection, would this even be an option? Does this enhance the game, or are those arguing that two extra regular season games would be more meaningful than two preseason games, when in fact, I believe most of the NFL teams would already be eliminated from the playoffs or have their postseason itinerary filled out. Furthermore, how likely are those teams playing must-win meaningful games playing other teams with must-win meaningful games? Would friendly coaches agree that since Team A is already eliminated, that Team B will have an easier time? Alright, so I'm getting conspiratorial. We'll strike that from the debate.

In all honesty, I'm on the fence. Many Bengals players are also. Would the league be better if it went with 18 games, or stuck with 16? If the idea is to limit the preseason games to only two, then eliminate the two and keep the 16 regular season games.

Your turn. What are the benefits of the league going to an 18-game season and would you support it?

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18 Games is WHACK

No thank you Mr. Goodell. The momentum is in your head, or exclusively with the marketing department. You will make more money, but the league will lose quality. Not worth it.

by Alex Kuhns on Aug 26, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

uhhh.. okay.

I wasn’t done yet..

NO NO NO.. the current roster can barely get through 16 games. EXPAND THE ROSTER FIRST AND FOREMOST!!

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 26, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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I actually think roster expansion is heavily considered for regular season expansion.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

But...

Is there really enough NFL-level talent to expand the rosters? It seems to me there isn’t.

by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 26, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Most general, everyday NFL fans I know think an 18 game season is a bad idea. And yet I hear very few in the media who think it is bad…

by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 26, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I like though the league will need a few changes

Pay is pretty simple especially since the details will be worked out as part of the CBA, just add 2 game checks equal to current game checks.

Increase the roster by making the PS guys part of the active roster. Add a few new PS spots.

The nice thing that I see is the loss of the unbalanced schedule, something that I have never liked (partly due to its inherent asymmetry). Currently the top team from each AFC/NFC division plays the top team from the 2 divisions not on the schedule. WHile this has generated some great games, such as an annual game between Indy and NE, it is also a disadvantage to these teams and has given rise to teams going from last to first in their division because they have an easier schedule. In the play-offs, the best team gets an advantage, they get byes and homefield advantage. WHy should their next play-off run be disadvantaged the next year. instead the top team would play the opposite 1 and 4 teams, as would the # 4 team from each division, and the 2 and 3 teams would meet. This would make all the title contenders play, and would better flush out the wild card situation, because most teams will have met head to head.

As an example this year, the Bengals have to play Indy and SD, where Bal gets Denver and Hou, Pitt gets Oak and and Tenn and the Browns get KC and Jacksonville. This is a huge advantage, expecially for Pitt which ended with the same record as Baltimore, but plays Oakland instead of Denver. WIth the new System both Pitt and Baltimore should play Oak, Tenn, Denver and Houston. Which, unless one of these teams wins the division, fleshes out the Wild card picture nicely, since all of the teams that finished between 7-9 and 9-7 would play each other.

by jim0ijk on Aug 26, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

That's the point though

The schedule is set up that way in the interest of parity. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s there to ensure the NFL doesn’t get a Yankees equivalent. NE and Indy are just that good, with HOF players, and are still able win their division every year.

Your proposition isn’t bad, but that still only adds one game to each team’s schedule. Where does the other game come from?

by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adds two

This year it would add one from the west and one from the south

by jim0ijk on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh...

I forgot they rotate against an NFC division as well.

by MrMcLargeHuge on Aug 26, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I agree the floater games confer a huge advantage. The schedule differs by 2 games between each division team, and each division team plays each other division team twice. So, for example, even if the Bengals lose to Indy and SD and Baltimore beats Denver and Houston, the Bengals can still completely wipe out that advantage by beating Baltimore twice.

by Todd G on Aug 26, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe huge is too big, but in a conference in which 2 of the 4 9-7 teams went to the play-offs, the unbalanced schedule probably impacted the standings. I agree that it probaly impacts the wild cards more than the divisions, but it is an advantage and in a league with as much parity as the NFL any advantage is significant.

by jim0ijk on Aug 26, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

my 2 cents

We don’t need four pre-season games – or rather, we don’t need to pay for four pre-season games. If they want to have more team vs team “practices” than hold scrimmages against other clubs. There’s nothing more frustrating than paying full price for a worthless Week 4 preseason game against the Colts when it’s Third Team vs Third Team (aka DeDe-Dorsey-gets-to-shine-time).

If there are just two preseason games, I can’t see the NFL giving up this revenue. Therefore I fully expect a push to 18 regular season games. There will be some comprimise between the owners and the players and I’ll let them work it out (larger rosters, higher pay, shorter offseason programs, blah blah blah).

by bengaljohnboy on Aug 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I am not in favor of it...

The only way the owners get this is if they agree to pay players more and expand rosters—I doubt that is going to happen. I know they want for TV revenue and a longer season may keep fan interest up for marginal team longer. You could start off the season 2 and 6, still end up 10-8 and sneak into the playoffs. Now a 2-6 and you almost have to win out.

That being said, injuries and shortened careers are the real stumbling block. Teams will have to be really deep to get through the season and seaons would hinge much more on the durability of your key skilled players. The whole competitiveness thing could backfire as teams cash out earlier because of key injuries.

by goffchile on Aug 26, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's expand the playoffs instead

Rock it World Cup style. The top 8 teams in each conference make the playoffs and are divided into two pools of four teams that play a round robin. The top two teams in each pool advance to an eight-team knockout stage that ends at the Super Bowl.

by LooseCannon on Aug 26, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

What I like to know is what Fans is Goodell talking to.

Apparently NFL fans are all for the 18game schedule yet all over SBnation its the other way around.

If it aint broke dont fix it.

Season ticket holders are a small minority of the fanbase. Its part of the deal so live with it. If not you can make back atleast half your money buy selling them. Preseason is needed big time for player evaluations. I can go in forever the point is The Owners need to be happy with there 9 digit profits and call it a day

Really?! Really?!

by thebigham on Aug 26, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The NFL should increase to a 17-game regular season. But in doing so, it can also add a second bye week for all teams. Additionally, it should make the extra game for all teams a neutral site game against a foe from the opposing conference.
http://philiptortora.blogspot.com/2010/07/nfl-should-play-17-game-regular-season.html

by PTortora on Aug 26, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Normally I would sympathize with the players on an issue like this, but i just can’t on this one. Are they really using injury risk as an excuse for not wanting to play two more games? Football is as dangerous as it gets in popular organized sports ( not that any are absolutely safe). If you are that concerned, don’t play. Its all about money, on both sides, and I’ll agree that the players should get their fair share ( they are after all the ones who provide the product that is oh so valuable). Expand the game day active rosters to 50 and the total to 60. That’s 5 extra guys to play ST, which in my opinion in is the most dangerous time to be on the field. Or you keep a guy or two who excel at very specific things instead of cutting them because they aren’t versatile. In all actuality injury risk could go down for some players due to less snaps overall. That’s really the only way to count time in the NFL. I think that as long as the rosters increase adequately the rise in risk would be minimal. I think the other thing we have to accept is that the owners are not going to let go of any ticket sales. There will either be 4 preseason games at regular season price, or 2 preseason games at regular season price and an 18 game schedule. I have been to a couple of preseason games out here and felt robbed even though I got my ticket for free. No one should have to pay full price to watch practice, but that’s they’ll charge whether the game counts or not.

by stripesinseattle on Aug 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

because baseball sucks and no right-thinking person would emulate its example.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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