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Ken Zampese: Carson Palmer Will Answer His Critics This Year

GEORGETOWN KY - JULY 31:  Carson Palmer #9 (left) of the Cincinnati Bengals talks with Cedric Benson #32 during the Bengals training camp at Georgetown College on July 31 2010 in Georgetown Kentucky.  (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

One of our Training Camp/Preseason storylines that will undoubtedly carry into the regular season simply because of its significance, is the return of Carson Palmer. Alright, so we have a TON of things we're looking forward to. One of the major things is Palmer. Alright, so we have a TON of major things. What do you expect? We're pretty obsessed with the Bengals, man. Can you tell?

But we're not talking about return, as in he's been gone. We're more or less referring to his return, like the man once called the God of the Golden Arms, a son of Cronus and Rhea, older brother of Zeus.

Bengals quarterback Ken Zampese believes that this is the year that Palmer "silences his critics."

“He does a lot more than anybody thinks he does,” the team’s quarterbacks coach said. “He’ll grab someone and walk into the film room immediately after practice. He won’t say anything about it and nobody knows he does it. Carson’s communication skills are terrific, but you may not see it because it may happen at the dorm or during special teams. Just different places where he can hit a particular topic and get something accomplished. He’s a terrific player.”

“I believe Carson will silence his critics with his play,” Zampese said. “I will let his play speak for me as well because I’m only as good as he plays. We’ll let that handle itself. We’re really not concerned with the negativity. People can say what they want to say. That’s fine.”

“We’d like to get the ball downfield more, which plays to Carson’s strengths,” Zampese said. “We weren’t able to do that last year for different reasons. I think we have the players and the running game where we can hold the ball a little bit and throw it down the field. I believe we have better skill level guys around us giving us more opportunities. I want to see Carson use the techniques that we have been working on and watch those things help him play at an even higher level. We put in a lot of work over the past two springs perfecting his techniques. I have high expectations for these little things making big impacts in his performance during the year.”

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Ken Z must be reading my comments on CINCYJUNGLE.COM

I’m am one of those critics! Trust me I want Palmer to do great, but I just dont think he has “IT”

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by TennBengalfan on Aug 5, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I am coming over to agreement. Having thought about Elite QB’s this season, I no longer believe he is elite, nor was he ever. I think he has been very good in a very good offense. I would say the only QB’s I would rate as elite are Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. These are the guys I feel have raised the play of their wide recievers no matter who they are.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree

Brett Favre* is the most overrated QB ever in my opinion. All his stats and records are products of him NEVER EVER missing games. Toughest QB ever, maybe….but I hate the amount of respect he gets just b/c he’s played longer (consecutively) than anyone. With that being said, he’s still a very very good QB, my other knocks on that list are Aaron Rodgers…how can you call him Elite? You left off my other most hated QB in Brady….i hate hate hate him, but he is absolutely among the “Elite” grouping.

it comes down to mind over matter....if you don't mind, it won't matter

by TruWhoDey on Aug 5, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree strongly about Brady being elite

The Patriots were very good before him, and very good without him during his injury. The Patriots are very, very good, but while Brady is a franchise QB I would not call him elite. I was closer to putting El Manning on the list than Brady.

I went back and forth on Farve, and could take him off the list.

As for Rodgers, I know it is early in his career but look at his career stats so far. He has a 97 career rating, and was 3rd in rating last year, and tied for the fewest INT. I would argue that he had the worst recievers among QBs that posted a QB rating over 100 last year.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peyton, Brees, and Rivers would be mine

Romo is close not just there yet

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by TennBengalfan on Aug 5, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peyton, Brees, Favre

Peyton has played a long time as well and he’s still considered elite, no? Favre should still deserve the honor simply for his work on the field. Rivers, Romo, and Rodgers are borderline. I hate Roethlisberger, but I can remember a few of the games last year were basically Roethlisberger going out and putting up high numbers just to carry his team because his defense couldn’t get it done in the fourth quarter (500+ passing yards against Green Bay is ridiculous, no matter which way you slice it). He definitely deserves consideration—even if he is a scumbag.

As for Carson, he’s crippled by the fact that he’s a run-first team. All of these elite quarterbacks have offenses playing to their passing strengths. Carson can—or could—pass it and pass it well, but the offense isn’t based around the pass anymore. It’s based around the run now.

by Doc Scratch on Aug 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree on Palmer being limited by a run first offense

The 2009 Banglas only ran for about 10 yards a game more than the 2005 Bengals. In fact last year’s bears game would have fit nicely in the 2005 offensive explosion. I think that Carson has the weapons to have a great year. The difference to me between Palmer, Rothlesberger, and Brady a compared to Manning or Brees is that Manning and Brees continue to put up great numbers regardless of the reciever situation.

If rivers has a great year without Jackson and Tomlinson, I will add him to the Elite list.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so everybody knows

2005 Total Passing 3,820 Yds 2005 Total Rushing 1,910
2009 Total Passing 2,890 Yds 2009 Total Rushing 2,056

Per Bengals.com

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by TennBengalfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just added a fan post on why this year’s offense could be better than 2005.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli Manning does not deserve to be on the top 20 list.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Aug 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

so outside of your shortlist.. what other starting quarterbacks in the league have had a better career than carson?

by Cry on Aug 5, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

McNabb, Romo, Brady

Rivers is on his way.

Who has had a better career is a very subjective thing. I have tried to look at who is the best QB regardless of Recievers, Defense, Offensive Line, and Supporting running game.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli, Flacco, Ryan, Hasselbeck

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by TennBengalfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of those QB’s best year was as good as Carson in 2006. None of them have exceeded 28 TDs. 2006 was Carson’s second best year.

In the end Eli, Ryan or Flacco could be better than Carson but none of them have so far had better careers.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a stretch...

Especially Flacco and Ryan. Eli isn’t a better QB… he just happens to have had 1 super bowl win a la Trent Difler style

by The Dealio on Aug 7, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Receiving corp

Flacco’s first two years he hasn’t had a super bowl type receiving corp to throw to, this year might be quite different. Not watching many Falcon games I don’t know how good Ryan’s receivers are. The Falcons had a cream puff schedule Ryan’s first year which made him look even better. Bob Griese probably didn’t have better years performance wise but managed to win two super bowls. It’s not so much the stats, but what happens on the field.

by Punt on Aug 8, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No QB does well without a good receiver or two: see Brett Favre (Jets 2008)

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Aug 5, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's always had "it"

last year he was still hurt even if they said he wasn’t, and nobody was ever open, look at the number of combacks he has, or almost combacks when the kicker blew it, Palmer definately definately has it

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Aug 5, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is more a make or break season for carson's critics

carson has another off season and the critics will be very loud about how carson is done or a never-was.

carson has a solid season and the critics have to crawl back under a rock.

carson has an ok season and nobody will pay attention to the critics anymore.

"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl

by palewook on Aug 5, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about you fellas but,

 I’m picking Carson on my fantasy league. I just got a feeling..

by WHYUS!! on Aug 5, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I got Chris Johnson and Cedric Benson

Auction league, still got decent players after that too!!!

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by TennBengalfan on Aug 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't even started my draft picks

on any of my teams yet. Not even my keeper league. I’ve been mocking my drafts though, religiously.

by WHYUS!! on Aug 5, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of the WRs though

I might pick up Carson (I already have Rogers as my #1 in my keeper league), but I’m not going to pickup any of the Bengals WRs. It’s just too hard to tell how their numbers will break down.

This is our year!

by Paul Cannon on Aug 5, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right,

Between the TEs, Wrs and the RBs, WhoTF is going to get the most yards and they may not be a lot for one player, b/c of all the touches between them all. But, Carson will be distributing the ball speading it all around.

by WHYUS!! on Aug 5, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always set my draft for the SUnday before opening day

That way final rosters are set, and there are no preseason injuries that can ruin a good fantasy pick.

by jim0ijk on Aug 5, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer

I see three reasons that Palmeris not as good as think he should be by now.
 The first is very fixable. It is that his helmet does not fit right. Has anyone else noticed how far down on his brow it sits? This forces his head to be cocked further back while throwing a long pass. In turn this puts the nose in the lower middle of his site causing a drop off on dept perception. Is it just me or does his long ball go too long 1/3 of the time, too short 1/3 of the time and on the money the rest. You will not see that in practice when the helmets are off.
The second bugaboo is the O-line. How many of you remember last years shuffling on the line. Especially with the Smith situation. This is going to be the difference from a run fist team and a run mostly team.
I think that without these two problems and the third problem of the different injuries most people would be saying by now that Palmeris one of the top three QBs of all time.
  

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by heckno on Aug 5, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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