Quick Observations from Sunday:
Josh Kirkendall's article on the main board does a wonderful job of expressing the common fan's sentiment about last night's game. We were disappointed with the first team but saw great things from Roy Williams, Jordan Shipley, Adam "back, man" Jones, Chase Coffman, and especially Michael Johnson and Geno Atkins. So without delay, here are some other things I noticed...
FIRST TEAM
-Number Nine looked good. His passes were all on target with some zip and he was getting rid of the ball quickly. One thing I didn't like, however, was the batted down pass which is squarely on his shoulders. If your going to call a quick read (in this case a slant) you can't stare the receiver down from the second you snap the ball, that defense is forcing the read and will surely have their lineman flailing their arms, which they did.
-It no longer seems unreasonable that T.O. closes in on the 100+ catch incentive in his contract. Judging only by those two drives alone, defenses will choose to single cover T.O. rather than Chad (duh). Thing is... Ocho doesn't handle a good double team very well, so until T.O. is really lighting them up there won't be any coverage drawn off Chad.
-Odom was getting pushed around. Since it is his first game back from a ruptured achilles, this doesn't necessarily worry me. I mention it, though, because he looked slim. When he started the season last year he looked massive at around 285, I believe. He's nowhere near that by the looks of him, perhaps 265-270.
-Receiving Tight Ends continue to haunt this defense. Whenever a big game outside the division comes along such as the Texans, Vikings, and Chargers games in '09, we seem to be able to compete on their level except when covering the tight end. If we are going to be ready to compete this year, we need to stop Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, Dallas Clark, Jeremy Shockey, and Antonio Gates.
SECOND TEAM
-J.T. looked pitiful. He badly missed Andre Caldwell two times, when Bubba was open, and threw the ugliest deep ball I have ever seen. He also looks like an idiot when the pass-rush was bearing down.
-Gresham was worried about the hit. On the single pass that was thrown his way on a fly route in the slot, Gresham completely copped out on a very catchable ball. He clearly didn't attempt to jump, put only one hand up, and his eyes were in the secondary before the ball got there. He was being hung out a little by the QB, but I was disappointed.
-Surprisingly, Orien Harris looked great. That was the giant number 95 you saw squashing the interior of the offensive line almost the entire game. He even had some good snaps out of what looked to be a 3-4 alignment at nosetackle. For the rest of the preseason I'm going to be paying closer attention to the fat-man, he wants to make this squad.
-Pat Sims came off the edge and destroyed somebody in the backfield. This was actually later in the game and came out of the same formation that I believe was a 3-4 with Orien Harris at nosetackle, and Sims and Clinton McDonald at end. Big Patty played really well in the base formation too pushing a lot of runs to the outside and making a few plays.
-Who is that chopping down the outside linebacker? Chase Coffman? Yep. I seen it folks 'n then I seen it again, twice I seen it. Chase Coffman (riduculously awesome catch too, by the way) was doing a very good job in pass protection. On one play which was a sack (so they replayed it in slow-mo) Chase was the only one on that side of the line to do his job, hacking the lower thighs out from under his assigned rusher.
-Geno Atkins Looked Dominant, it must be said again. You know you saw that double team he ripped in half to get the sack, have mercy on your soul, .Flacco, Taz is going to eat you.
SCRUBS
-Jordan Palmer is a better passer than J.T.. If Jordan can learn to just see defenders over the next few games, he'll be our backup. O'Sullivan may know where to put the ball, but he can't get it there. His passes are way off, they are late, and he has no power in his arm. Jordan's throws, while consistently a little high, were mostly accurate, had great speed and control, and came out quickly. Lil' Palmer needs to work on his underneath routes clearly, the secondary is not the only part of the pass-coverage, dummy... for your health.
-Matt Jones, while still a sloth off the line, may have more than we think. Not too many corners want to play bump-n-run against a guy his size so that first step came with a little more room on Sunday. His hands were sticky and he is perhaps the best option to out-muscle the secondary behind T.O.. His major problem seemed to be a serious lack of receiver's feet. He just could not put his toes down. He was stepping out of bounds on catches that Chad could get down 5 yards further towards the bench.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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Adam "back man" Jones
Love it!
I’m okay with Gresham being cautious in preseason, especially when we have five games this year. I am more worried about the penalties (esp Chad getting more obnoxious stupid penalties) pass protection, and safety coverage.
Zimmer, we love you man, but for the love of everything holy.. please figure out how to get your men to cover a TE. Its getting a bit ridiculous.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
I liked the I'm "Baaaaaaaack,Man" too, but he still has some improvement to make
thankfully, he has the time to watch film and work on it in practice before going live.
Gresham is a big guy but he’s still learning a lot of stuff right now too. Give him time to get there and he’ll be great. Coffman, thankfully, is kicking ass!
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
I Need to See More
While Palmer looked sharp, I wonder how long this line will be able to keep him upright. Third and long looks to be an achilles heel.
If they are going to double Chad, I’d like to see them move him around a lot more. Maybe some 3 WR sets with Chad in the slot.
I still see this team as a 4,000 yard passing team and 1675 yard rushing team.
Mike Johnson looked good as well at LB and DE.
by TheePhantom5000 on Aug 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
One of the biggest holes on this team is the same as last year with that being..................
a FS you can cover TE. I thought that it was Jason Whitten making all those 1st down until Collinsworth said the guys name. Cincinnati failed to sign a FS in the draft choosing to solidify the d-line with Carlos Dunlap and Geno Atkins. Ghee is not strong enough to play FS right now in the NFL.
The Bengals play some of the games best TE this year and will have to get pressure on the QB because Crocker (who hurt his ankle last night) and Gibril Wilson are SS. It looks like Geno Atkins is the first 3 technique DT that Marvin has had that collapse a pocket and cause mayhem.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Offensive Line
The O-Line was basically non-existent in the passing scheme. There were only a handful of times that the quarterback had more than 2-3 seconds to get the ball out. It is only pre-season but now is the time to get this problem fixed. The line needs to gel. Let them play a little more together in the next one. Compare Palmer’s pocket to Romo’s and Dallas is supposed to have a patchwork left tackle this year. The pass protection schemes need to get fixed right away. Paul Alexander do your job. Otherwise, these new passing additions will go to waste.
On the other hand, Atkins and Johnson looked great on defense, the secondary was decent despite Phillips tearing it up. And T.O. doesn’t look his age out there.
by bengal fan from new york on Aug 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Offensive Line
Will be our biggest problem this year.. Pass Protection was horrible in my opinion and you can mark my words.. This problem isn’t going away anytime soon..
Palmer
Not sure what game I was watching, must have been a different game than you guys. I didnt like anything and I repeat anything the offense did last night. To me Palmer still looks tentative with his knee. Just looks shaky in the pocket. And if we dont get that problem fixed, he will be either hurt or simply a rerun from last year. Just That Simple.
by James Schmid the great on Aug 9, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
I was hoping someone
would put down the Kool-Aid and inject some reality. Boys, this offense is AWFUL. Palmer looked just like he did last year…he doesn’t usually make the killer mistake, but he’s moving and thinking in slow-motion. You’d have to spot our O-line an extra guy to even have a chance at a 4-second pocket. They’ve picked up right where they left off when the gun sounded at the end of the Jets game.
I hope I’ll end up eating a giant plate of crow, but it don’t look good.
by Bengals NFL Champs on Aug 9, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Brat better start drawing up more plays from the shotgun.
That is, of course, assuming Brat draws up plays.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 9, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No he don't
The problem is that he traces the plays out of other playbooks, but he lost the last playbook before he finished and the NFL library will not let him check out another playbook until he returns the other one…
Yeah we desperately need to improve the OL. I wish we could find a way to do it.
If we’d had the sense to trade for Jammal Brown when he was available and put him at RT, we could have moved tub-o-lard in to RG or even benched him entirely, moved Whit back to LG where he belongs, and let AC have another shot at the LT spot that he at least did adequate at in 2008 (I say better than that, but we’d all at least agree on adequate I think).
With a lineup of AC, Whit, Cook, Andre(?), and Brown I think we’d have a MUCH better line than we have right now. Unfortunately, we have almost none of that, and it’s going to come back to bite us unless the OL steps up big time and proves us wrong… FAST.
bench Andre Smith?
everyone knows he’s about as lazy as Lippincott and has the same body type, but you watched the snaps he got in live action last year right? he’s a dominant run blocker and not a bad pass protector either. I hope all these A Smith haters own up to being completely wrong about him once he’s healthy and playing. PLUS with his contract/draft slot do you really think Mike Brown would even allow him to be benched if healthy…..come on son
it comes down to mind over matter....if you don't mind, it won't matter
I hope to be proven wrong about Kegbelly
I’d do the opposite if I were the coaches. I’d have Andre Smith play every single offensive down for every preseason game. Every. Single. Down. If you want to see some other linemen in his position, great, move Andre to the other side, or put him in as guard. Give Bobbie WIlliams a break for a game. Lets take the kid gloves off and get some milage under his spare tire.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
by UpStateMike on Aug 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
IF he ever gets healthy. You forgot that minor detail.
But yes, IF he ever gets healthy (and stays that way) he’ll probably be a pretty good player. I’m not, however, going to hold my breath.
And sometimes the only way to get somebody like him — who is, at present at least, lazy and unmotivated — to get his butt in shape is to let him hit rock bottom. Either bench or even outright cut his lazy butt, let him sit out for a few weeks or even years, and then see if he’s grown up enough to actually work at becoming what he could become.
Pass rush
The defense was flying around, but they need to get a rush on 3rd down… that was a weakness last year, and if you look at the quarterbacks they are facing this year, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Big Ben, to name a few… they have to do a better job… worried about Odom
Overall it seems like most of the Who Dey Nation is pretty pleased with what they seen
last night, and as i have said over on my teams blog The Phinsider, I think the Bengals are a dark-horse to make it to the Super Bowl, but as some of you may remember i made a post on here awhile back, and was wondering if the T.O. acquisition may alter some things? I had the Bengals as an 11-5 team, and i still stand by that maybe one more win, thoughts? And what is the word on Brian Leonard and Chris Crocker, are they going to be alright?
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"Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out." John Wooden.
Kickers and Stuff
Kevin Huber – 46.4 yards average on 10 punts.
That’s pretty good numbers given how many times JP&O’S put the team in a pickle.
The other guys didn’t get much time in, so I still have no clue as to who is better, or if we have to still find someone.
2010 - The Year of the Tiger.
Two things that I cam away concerned with
1. Offensive line pass protection. It was so-so last year and it didnt look all that great on Sunday.
2. Brat…….. I know pre-season means nothing, but if he trots out the same 2 WR 1 TE 1 RB sets week after week and relies on Palmer to hit 10 yd outs on EVERY 3rd down, we are going to see the same offensive problems. Look at the Saints and how many crazy WR sets they throw out there and how many targets Brees hits. It seems like Palmer has to throw the ball perfectly to either 81 or 85 to pass effectively. Where was a 4 WR set? Hopefully he sees the weapons he has and decides you use them instead of hoping that they beat coverage by themselves every time.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
As usual Brat's play-calling stinks
he runs far too often on 2nd and long like that’s a surprise.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions

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