Open Thread, Post Game: Bengals 24 (0-1) at Patriots 38 (1-0)
by jsl413 on Sep 12, 2010 4:11 PM EDT
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There are a lot of people to blame for this loss. Carson Palmer made mistakes. The offensive line got pushed around in the first half. The defensive line got pushed around for the whole game. The secondary and linebackers were on their heels for the whole game. Kick-off teams gave up huge plays and couldn't get passed the 20. Tom Brady's hair is too perfect. Bob Bratkowski's playcalls were either bad or didn't work because the offensive line sucked today. The Bengals only rushed for 71 yards. The New England Patriots don't lose at home. Lots of reasons, none of them satisfying, none of them make it any easier to stomach. But it's one game, it's the first game, and it's in New England. Can't take too much out of it.
The Bengals lost this game, and they lost just about every phase of it along the way. But at least the second half gave us some positives to look at. The offense picked up and scored 3 touchdowns after being very quiet and mistake-prone early on. They are tenacious. They did not give up. They battled, and even though they suffered an interception-touchdown and a kickoff return for a touchdown, they didn't roll over. That was the difference in the game, as it turns out. But at least they didn't go down without a fight. I'm hopeful for the rest of the season and I hope you folks tag along for the ride.
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The blame is on the DL
They generated absolutely no pass rush. That was pathetic. These are the Bengals of the 90’s again because they have no defense.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Go back to wherever you came from.
They are not the Bengals of the 90s. You know that. Get out of here you POS troll. You generate negative worth for humanity.
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by Pardon_My_French on Sep 12, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
On the DL, it sure looked that way
What is this, high school? These are pros and they deserve to be criticized when they suck as bad as they did today. The DL did not show up…either that or they have no talent. I hope its the former.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
I can’t disagree, but in fairness, 14 of the Pats points should be credited to special teams and to Palmer (just to keep it in perspective).
This is our year!
That's a fair point, but
the Pats had two, and then three, OL who had never played a game for them before.
The Bengals DL were a mile off the pace. A mile.
Like I said, I can't argue with that.
I think there were exactly two QB hits (one from my boy Atkins) and zero sacks. Pretty pathetic.
This is our year!
I'll definitely agree that the DL was bad.
But let’s not get carried away. Overall, this is a pretty good team. They didn’t generate a pass rush and made dumb mistakes in a season opener on the road against a huge contender, and lost by 14. Settle down.
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by Pardon_My_French on Sep 12, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Patriots were having a laugh...
…that’s a serious football team.
After one play into the second half, they could basically switch off.
Offense has three plays in the third, and then scores a TD early in the fourth when it mattered.
When it mattered, the Patriots played ball.
Carson was shouting “Honda” on the line of scrimmage.
That’s the difference.
I know it doesn't make too much of a difference now...
…but Pat Sims has to be on the 45 ahead of Jerome Simpson.
Where’s the thinking there?
Had we played in the 1st half...
like we did in the second we would have one this game. We’ll get it back next week. I think we are all missing the big picture. Carson threw for 340+ yards and 2 td’s and 85 was looking great. We have a passing game back. The Zfense let us down this week.
51 yard pass to Shipley....
…better to throw it INTO the end zone. That pads out the stats in a completely different way.
There is no problem finishing second, but the gap today was immense.
Hearing Crickets
The Defense looked bad out there, and the short game really got exploited. I thought Dhani Jones looked particularly bad in pass protection, and whiffed bad on one or two tackles that I can remember.
The difference though was turnovers. Benson’s uncharacteristic fumble stopped a drive that was looking promising, and of course that horrible throw by Palmer that got returned….Then the kickoff return. Take away those three plays, and the score is all of a sudden 28-24. You’ve got to win the turnover battle especially against a team like the Pats on the road.
This is our year!
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 12, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What was worrying...
…it took 5 mins to decide on a Pats reception, but a TD issue was decided in 30 seconds.
There’s no point having replay if TD situations don’t have the proper angles.
OK, it’s the same for every team, but the set up is still wrong.
Yeh, that Welker touchdown blew my mind too.
I’m still pretty damn pissed about the Lions’ loss because of some bullshit call by the refs at the end of the game, but that Welker one was almost as bad.
Yeah I still don’t understand that completely. The ball was not across the plane from the angle I saw.
what angles were visible though?
I’m speculative on the TD as well, but from what I saw, on one of the angles, is that welker caught it in the middle of his chest(SLIGHTLY on the left side). Judging that, it is possible that it did cross it, but we’ll never know for sure.
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According to what was shown on TV
Not enough angles to dispute the call.
Funny, though, there were enough angles to see a disputed call on a Pats reception.
If replay is worth having, both sides of the endzone need to be seen. It was a four-point swing on what looked dubious from the (limited) angles you could see.
on the pats reception, there were angles.
it was clear that moss bobbled the ball, and when he had possession, his right foot went out of bounds.
Goes to show you you won’t always have the best angles all the time.
Of course, the refs supposedly have more angles to see, than what is shown on TV, but I wouldn’t know.
I think they should have more angles in the red zone, but you can argue that for everything else.
Sideline angles come to mind, for if a team has a first down or not. Whether on a run or pass.
Truth is, you can’t always track EVERYTHING perfectly.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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No complaints
There’s no sour grapes on the call. I’d take the points every time. All I’m saying is that if replay has any real value, it has to be around the end zone as these are points-making situations.
Good win today, a tad too comfortable for my liking, and all the best for the next 15 games.
same with you.
And I agree with what your saying though. If anywhere, around the goal line would be most grateful for extra cameras.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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Hope you guys beat the steelers and ravens twice. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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Like I said, it didn’t look that way from the angle I saw. I don’t doubt that SuperWelker could have made that a TD then or anytime in the endzone. An angle from the opposing side of the field would have made me more comfortable with the call. Welker’s awesome, but Home field advantage was evident.
Maybe. But even YOU should say that the call would have went either way.
From the angles that we have been shown on TV, there is no way you could say Welker DEFINITELY didn’t get a TD. It was WAY too close to tell. The refs had to call what they felt was the right call, based on the angles they could use.
Even being a pats fan, I dont know if he got it or not. But judging from where he caught the ball, which was on his chest, the ball very well could have broken the plane.
You, being a bengals fan, would expect the call to be made, solely due to the fact that we had home field. But the angles were tough to make any call out of that, so the refs must have thought the same thing I thought, or they saw a better angle than we did.
But either way, we wouldn’t really know.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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No indisputable evidence, so an easy call
Problem is no cameras on both sides of the line.
Replay is right if it can be consistent – and it’s clear the referees make a call on what they see.
I’d also say that the coaching staff have their role to play outside of emotions to know whether it’s actually valid to throw a flag. Given the score at the time in the game, I don’t think the Bengals had an option, but that’s not an automatic call all the time.
One ref signaled TD and the other ref
signaled the ball didn’t cross. They went with the ref who called the TD. Which throwing the red flag was a good decision to make,IMO.
Positives
The Bengals actually had other players catching the ball than Ocho. A few drops killed the momentum in the first half, and of course Coats had to drop another 3rd down pass, I really hope hes cut.
Coats needs to go now
I’m not sure why this offense is so committed to keeping choke artists on the roster (see Shayne Graham).
This is our year!
Coats wasnt even looking
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 12, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have given him the benefit on that one,
although I understand why people don’t.
Daniel Coats is not the reason the Bengals lost, though.
So it was Coats
LMAO. My buddy and I thought it was Coats, but we weren’t sure. We couldn’t believe it was actually him
dont look at carsons stats. The stats do not tell you what realy went on out there.
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Terrible Coaching
You can’t play your base defense agains the Pats. Dhani and Rey had no business being in there on anything but short down and distance. They are terrible in coverage. When I saw Brandon Johnson, they were blitzing him. Why blitz your best cover lb against a team that thrives on throwing to slot, rb and te?
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 12, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can they take anything good out of this
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
yes
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by TennBengalfan on Sep 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
see you'ins next week
beat the ravens!!!
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Things I noticed that aren't getting mentioned
Did we get any penalties today? I swear our slate was clean while the Patriots had a ton of penalties that kept calling them back. I really, really hope this continues.
Peko played fullback in goal line situations. Words couldn’t describe the hilarity of the situation because it was also just as sensible. He was even wide open for a touchdown at one point.
:)
We could put him and Maualuga in there on the same play. The ball wouldnt be able to get passed that net.
This is our year!
You're right
There were other stupid mistakes that provided the margin of victory (Pick six, Kickoff return), and some rust on defense. The team looked underprepared, but it was week 1 in Foxboro. Let’s get off this silly “the season is over” train. It doesn’t go anywhere. Remember losing to Denver last year when Denver was supposed to be terrible? THE SEASON IS OVER ZOMG!!!!
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by Pardon_My_French on Sep 12, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeh, Cincy's slow out of the gate, just like it was today.
They looked sharp in the second half, which makes me feel good, they used to be a first-half team.
all I can say is Let's go Jets
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
There aren't many times that I would agree with that statement, but this is one of them.
This is our year!
It'd be funny if the guys leading the AFCN
were the guys many predicted to get third in the division.
sucks that the steelers are leading the division now
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
Was zim even with the team what the hell happend to the so called z fense
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
On a side not cordero skrewed up for the reds
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
24 second half points.
How many more games last year would we have won if we could have put up 24 points in a half?
This was an embarrassing game for so many reasons, but keep it in perspective. Taking an opener from the Patriots in Foxboro is already a tough thing to do. Throw in a completely inept first half and this is what you get. But the game ended up being decided by two plays. And how much better could it have been with a better defensive performance? Guess who we have in charge of improving that. Mike Zimmer.
And on top of it all, not a bad little coming out for Gresham and Shipley. This was not a complete loss. It was hard to watch, but I seem to remember slinking home after opening day last year and feeling the same way.
Not so sure
One play into the second half, the Pats didn’t need to come out and play.
When they needed a TD, they got it.
The defense was to blame today.
Not denying that. But if you had to pick one aspect of this team that needed to improve, wouldn’t you rather it be the unit that has Zimmer in charge of it? If the offense had come out completely flat for the entire game, you could write the season off. But the fact is everyone we wanted to have make plays on offense did – with the exception of Ced, who didn’t get his normal load since we had to pass so much coming from behind.
Fair point
But if we knew this for the offense in January, why tolerate it in September? When you hear Palmer shouting “Honda” at the line of scrimmage, it’s clear what the play is. The Pats let the Bengals eat clock once they went two scores up. There wasn’t any two minute offense in the game and if you ask Palmer about his biggest effort play, it was to tackle their LB as he was scoring a TD.
I expected more from Zimmer against a team with two (eventually three) new starters.
I expect more from an offense with Palmer, Benson, TO and Chad.
The better team clearly won
But Palmer and Chad at least made a game out of it. I held onto a glimmer of hope in the second half. Most NFL games are decided by turnovers however, and this game was no exception. Brady was on fire, but we had gotten one pick, or one fumble recovery, we could have made a game out of it. The D-Line has to step it up though to make that happen.
This is our year!
The bad thing
Pats were one of the worst teams on our schedual this year. Really need to improve if we expect to compete with the rest of the teams we play this year.
They were?
How do you know the Pats were one of the worst teams? Let’s watch…
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by Pardon_My_French on Sep 12, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
the Patriots look like the best team in the NFL
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
Stop. Stop with the assumptions
For Chist’s sake. I think they’re good too. But stop. We’ve seen one game out of 16.
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by Pardon_My_French on Sep 12, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess.
Just they’re not a bad team by any regards. Hell, the only “bad” teams on our roster this year are the Browns, the Bucs, and the Bills
I wasnt trying to say they were bad
I guess it came off wrong. My point was with teams like the Saints and Colts there are teams that have more offensive firepower than the Pats.
My take
We saw a Bengals team today that spent way too much time reading its press clippings. Blah blah blah Batman & Robin blah blah blah Mike Zimmer blah blah blah No. 4 defense blah blah blah Shiplet Gresham Atkins blah blah blah BLAM Patriots.
They spent the first half looking like they expected the Pats to hand them the game, and the second half taking what a prevent D gave them.
Past time for these guys to realize the offseason is over and it’s time to get back to work.
The Patriots Prevent D
Gave up huge plays to our passing game, so let’s discredit what the offense was able to do in the second half.
This is our year!
Chad caught the 28 yard TD, and had 159 yards receiving. They were doing something right.
This is our year!
Yup
Credit to them for actually taking what the Pats gave and getting the points, but when it mattered in the first half the offense couldn’t find its a** with a radio telescope. Meanwhile the defense seemed to forget there was this guy named “Welker” on the other team. Its been an hour since the end of the game and I have not seen any quotes yet, so I hope that means some serious screaming is going on the locker room.
My point though is that in a prevent defense, you take away the big plays, but the Bengals were able to get some anyways.
This is our year!
that is part of prevent defense yes.
but given the situation, our prevent defense did two things correctly:
1) Kept you guys in bounds
2) Let you guys go down the field, and burning the clock for us.
We may have given up a COUPLE big plays, but we achieved those two on that drive, despite giving up a TD in the end. plus the fact there were only a couple(maybe 3 or 4) big plays on that long drive that took quite a bit of time off the clock.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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You did good
That’s why you’re 1-0 and we’ll see how you go next week.
I hope Brady sent you a text message today when he was in the pocket. He had enough time to do so.
I'm not here to boast about our win. Just here talking football, or the game rather, and what went on.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Right on the mark
The Bengals do this too often, they start believing the hype and then they lay an egg. Anyone remember the Houston game last season?
The Bengals do not want to start 0 and 2, so they better come to play next week.
The thing that scares me going forward was the defense not being able to generate any pressure…second, Dhani is a serious liability in this D…he’s gotta be replaced asap…3rd, why on earth was Sims inactive?? If this team is gonna meet expectations they better get it together on D fast.
by Bdub14 on Sep 12, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Add Dennis Roland to that list.
I can’t count how many times he almost got Carson killed last year and the fact that he started today should be an embarrassment to the entire organization and ESPECIALLY Andre Smith. I can count at least half a dozen (of the what, 10?) offensive plays in the first half he was directly responsible for botching.
Agreed…it’s a joke Smith can’t take that job.
by Bdub14 on Sep 12, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Spot on, both calls
But they will not go to a Rivers-Rey-Johnson combination before the season is tanked
They need to.
Granted, this is Mike ZImmer and I’m sure he’s already ripping these guys a new one as we write all these comments. If Rivers-Rey-Johnson works better than Rivers-Jones-Rey, then that’s what we need to do.
Let's go now, then
Dhani’s a mile off the pace. Got caught for one of the TDs in the first half when he was in no-mans land. If Zimmer runs it, then he makes the call before next week.
I'm hoping that's the case.
Here’s hoping we’ll actually see it. If it’s not happened by midseason at the very latest, I’m not sure what to do.
If I'm Pat Sims,
I’d wonder why I’m not on the roster before Jerome Simpson.
Especially on the road.
Clock management
Good to see Carson not letting the clock run past zero – there is a positive compared to last season!
Just need to see
A lot more production from both the O an D lines to make any noise this year
The lines were beyond disappointing…I think Sims needs to be active…the D ends looked awful
by Bdub14 on Sep 12, 2010 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DLine needs to step up
Beating a dead horse, but still, it needs to pick it up.
Granted, Fanene did go down today with an injury, was he back out there playing?
Also, Palmer had 300 yards and Chad had over 100 yards
This isn’t counting Shipley’s or T.O.‘s numbers either. When this offense needs to get rolling, it can get rolling. I’m still confident that defense will work out its struggles. The season’s not over with the first game. Sure, it’s a loss, but I’m willing to go for the ride.
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For me, it wasn’t the fact of losing, it was the manner.
Take Nugent. Great FG, then a kick-off at the start of the second half that kills the game.
+3, -7.
I don't, but he has his job to do as well
If Palmer throws the hail mary five yards further at the half, it’s a different ball game
To come out and hit the kick-off to their 16 yard line with the first play of the second half is criminal. They score the TD (obviously) and their kick-off goes into the end zone.
Marvin Lewis will say it in his press conference: Execution. They executed. Bengals got executed.
Again…can’t disagree, but I don’t care how far you kick it…when Peerman whiffed on that tackle, it was over. Everything broke down on that play.
This is our year!
Did anyone sign Kyries Hebert?
When Leonard is ready to go, might not be a bad idea to bring him back for kick coverage and let Peerman go
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I'd kick it into the end zone to make them think about it
the Pats were able to do it often enough. That said, they were made to look super-human for most of the game.
Makes you wonder, if the Steelers or Ravens played them today, would the score have been so obvious.
Garbage yards
If Shipley had 5 more yards on the hail mary at the end of the first half, there was a game to play in the second.
I dont even think shipley needed that many yards to score was it like at the 1 yard live
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
How about just being impressed that SHipley came down with it?
He was the shortest guy in that scrum by at least two inches. Shipley had a great game. I expect big things from him.
TO and Chad in the locker room when we needed them
And of course, why the hell were TO and Chad both in the locker room when we could have used them on that play instead of relying on the midget crew???
by Bengal mayhem on Sep 12, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
We’re all stoked to have Jones after this week 1 game. Derek Cox was getting torched so we put in Jones in the 4th quarter and all of sudden the secondary looked strong. We all feel even better about the trade than we already did.
I came here to see if Reggie Nelson is hated yet.
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by Adam Stites on Sep 13, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
when tom brady is unhurried, unbothered, untouched
he will win
by andyfrombrooklyn on Sep 12, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
After going 6-0 in the division...
…you’d like to think so.
If you’re 1-1 after 2 games of this season, better it be by winning versus a divisional rival!
Cam Cameron is creative too
so this will be tough. But the Pats’ defense surprised the Bengals, allowing Tommy Boy to stay in rhythm the whole first half. Can the Ravens’ defense stop us? Maybe, maybe not.
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by Pardon_My_French on Sep 12, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a chance in hell
Back to the dark ages.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 12, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a shot to show up and play dont know about winning though
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
I just looked at some stats and the bengals only had 2 hits on the qb and no sacks, and only 2 takles for a loss
by bengalinflorida on Sep 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
I hate to say it, but you pretty much have to write off the first half.
It’s not an excuse. It’s the same thing that happened with the Denver game week 1 last year. Marvin doesn’t prepare this team to play well in week 1…never has. It’s just the way they are.
But after they got their legs under them, this was not a one-sided game. When Brady-Moss-Welker are clicking, there aren’t many defenses that can stop them. Improve the pass rush, generate a turnover or two, and you’re right back in it. We were one 1st half pick-6 and one second half KO return away from this being a game. We’ll play the Ravens harder next week – expect Sims to be active and possibly even Leonard.
I do agree that letting Hebert go was a mistake. Peerman basically took Hebert’s roster spot off of a handful of plays against 3rd string defensive scrubs in the last 2 preseason games. Hebert earned his spot as a ST captain over the past several years. It’s a rectifiable situation.
Peerman
Taken to cover possible injury to Benson or Scott
Bengals traded for a safety as Hebert was not good enough in coverage
You have to wait till Leonard is back, but there may be more pressing issues than Hebert/Peerman after today – why was Simpson active when he didn’t play an offensive down and Sims was left inactive. Start with the 45 you have – but you’re right, another September game comes and goes.
Tough loss today, guys. I’m not here to gloat, but I’m pretty proud of myself because my prediction yesterday…
Patriots 27 Bengals 13
The Bengals offensive line is suspect, and their linebackers are poor in coverage. The Bengals won’t be able to cover Welker or get their running game going. By half-time, the Bengals will be forced to play from behind and become one-dimensional.
Those are the reasons why the Bengals will lose.
Although it was met with hostility at the time, I feel like it was a very fair and accurate prediction. See you guys next week!
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 12, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you know
your prediction was right on the money. However, no matter how polite you are on your little trolling expedition here it’s realy very annoying. I’m sure most of the CJ crowd would agree that you are pissing us off and would like you to go home now.
I’m here to talk about football. I’m a member of this blog and have as much right to comment here as you.
If you don’t like reading my comments, skim over them. Don’t spend time commenting on them.
You really can't take a hint, can you...
You DO realize that the Ravens have their very own blog, don’t you? Did they kick you out or something? Did they hurt your widdle feelings? Because otherwise I really have no earthly idea why you insist on coming over here and posting.
Bengals fans are quick enough with the doom and gloom on their own, even during a GOOD game, so the LAST thing we want to see during a truly BAD game is a Ravens fan saying, “Gee, I really didn’t think you would suck so bad”. Nor do we want to have to look at your litte lavender icon in the midst of our misery. Again, why exactly can’t you just stay on Baltimore Beatdown and gloat with people who agree with you? Maybe they’ll actually be impressed by your wonderful predictions instead of just disgusted like we are.
Sometimes I’m embarrassed that I spend so much time reading here— and I say that as a Bengals fan. I can’t imagine how pathetic I’d feel if I spent hours posting my unwanted opinions on a Ravens or Steelers site for people with zero interest in seeing them. That would just be sad.
Football is football, and I’m a huge fan of the game. You can draw lines and only pay attention to your team if you want, but I prefer to watch what every team is doing. It’s much more interesting. I also love talking about the game with knowledgeable fans from different teams. It adds a different perspective. Many fans of other teams have enjoyed my perspective as a Ravens fan.
You should open your mind a bit and listen to fans from outside your own fan-base. You might learn something.
Seriously?
What kind of a tiny dick loser posts on other team’s sites? Bengal fans included. I don’t get it for a second.
Pacman
Was basically a no show as well, we really needed him to step up and make a big day for himself
looks like it was a fantastic day to be stuck at work and miss the game
i delete the Tivo recording of the game immediately upon walking in the house.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Thank god for the 2nd half....
or else there would be NOTHING to look forward to.
1. Lots of bone-headed plays (KO return, Palmer INT-TD, etc. etc.)
2. Worst offensive and defensive play calling I have seen in a while (until the 2nd half)
gonna have to beat baltimore next week…..at least there are some good things on tape to look at from the 2nd half.
and look at the bright side, the Denver game from last year was WAAAAAAAAYYYYY worse
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
more positives than Denver loss last year
D was rough, very rough, but the Pats will be putting up big numbers all year with Brady, Moss, & Welker. I was at least happy to see them keep battling & have some life with the offense. If they could have sustained a drive in the first half, it would have been a totally different game. Hopefully they can come out more in sync against Baltimore
I don't understand
I don’t understand how Marvin Lewis can supposedly be a traditional, fundamentals-based coach and ignore the lines. We belatedly started working on the d-line, and the o-line has been ignored (or ineptly approached) for years. The coaches seem to be in denial about certain players on both lines.
Their boss is the owner/GM..
You think they are going to complain about something?
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Sep 12, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Calm down,dont panic
The first half was horrible and to give up a kick return to begin the 2nd was a nightmare scenario,At that point I was fearing a 50 burger being put on us,Thankfully the team has more of a constitution than some posters on here! they didnt pack it in.
The worst aspect of the game has to fall on the line play,Bengals lines were dominated on both sides of the ball. The D-line got no push at all and Brady had 7-8 secs at a time to complete a pass,No matter how good your coverage is it aint keeping up for that long. Odom,Geathers and Tank were not a fixture at all. The Pats running game gashed us for 5 yds a crack,we continualy gave up 5,6,7yds on first down,making it almost impossible to get off the field when the Pats spread it out. IMO Rivers was the only LB who looked halfway decent,Dhani had a poor game and has lost a step but even more frustratingly Rey Rey was very poor,how many times did he over pursue and the pats cut it back on him all the time,he needs to be more controlled before I would give him the MLB spot.
On the O-line,Wilfork killed Cook all day(TBF he dominates most centres). The stretch plays were also wasted due to the pats surprising speed to the outside. Passing wise we need to get straight to up tempo stuff as Carson is way more effective. Gresham,Shipley and Ocho all played well. TO will be better next week.
We will move the ball on Baltimore next week I have no doubts,Dunlap will be active next week as will Sims and I expect Zimmer to sort it out after the front 7’s pathetic performance today.
Where were the blitzes?
Every single third down, no matter the distance, we only rushed 3. I think I saw 2 blitzes all day. Everyone on the coaching staff was WAY too confident going into this one. Brat thought he’d be able to throw the ball at will – see the first play of the game. Zimmer thought his front 4 would crush the banged up Pats O-line, and Simmons thought he could replace a special teams ace like Hebert with a kid like Peerman and not notice a difference in coverage. Should be a wake up call to all involved. Not a lot of time to figure it out, either. If we’re any worse than 4-2 going into the bye week this season is toast.
No blitzes because
Our personnel isn’t up to par. We don’t have a dominant DE.
I’m going to say this now, we are not going to be able to cover a good slot WR or a decent tightend.
by sgiridharan1982 on Sep 12, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't Tackle, Can't Coach
Where are all the feared tacklers? hard hitters? A large majority of tackle attempts were arm tackles. And, a truely poor coaching performance by Zim. How could he ever be considered for a head coaching job? Coach B took him to school today.
The Patriots make many good defenses look foolish
The tackling was awfull,no pass rush,and we did blitz on more than 3 occasions and every time it was picked up,then we got gashed,thats the gamble with the blitz! Our front 4 got zilcho push,Only Geno atkins when he came in looked disruptive,Atkins also diagnosed a screen pass that I noticed but just couldnt get back in time,he will see more action next week.
The amount of 2nd guessing is natural but I gues we are all royalty in the kingdom of hindsight. Lets give Zim a fair crack at rectifying things here.
question for the masses
is keith rivers on the active roster?
i see 55 on the field but i don’t see an impact player.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
You must have missed him making that pretty impressive pass breakup in the end zone.
Would have been a nice play if Leon or JJo made it.
another bust first round draft pick
The Bengals have used more than 20% of their round 1-3 draft picks over the last quarter century. Number of Pro Bowl seasons produced by all their draft pick linebackers (in Cincy): ZERO
(Denver got one out of tweener Alfred Williams)
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 12, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on.
He was on his way to DROY before he broke his jaw. He’s been solid every single game he’s started and he looked good today. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him squeak into the Pro Bowl this year if the defense as a whole gets it together (which I think Zimmer will take care of.)
we'll see
if you’ve been holding your breath waiting for the Bengals to pick an All Pro Linebacker you’d have suffocated in the 1970s, as I pointed out.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 12, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right...
Maualuga is never going to amount to anything either, right?
Rivers coming out was scouted as a fundamentaly sound, solid backer
as effective against the run as he is against the pass,that is what he has been for us. He was our best LB today(Not hard TBH).He is not a bust.
This is what I can't understand,
We always, almost always look great and score a TD every time we run the No Huddle. We did it last year and we did it in this game. We are always going 3 and out every time we huddle up. What I saw today in the 2nd half was the no huddle that actually was able to control the clock and was very effective too.
The three and outs are getting a little ridiculous. With that being said, Carson and the Oline looks way better suited for the No Huddle and therefore should use it all the time. This is the coaching and If Marv is the one that is in charge of this, then he better start making Brat run it.
It’s a big machine gonna take some time to get it working right. bratowski needs to blend b. scott in more to establish the run and change the pace between power and speed. Scott is much better on the screens. Dan Coates why?
Bengals 2010. Road to the Superbowl
Thats on Carson..
Now granted the pass was to Coats, so who knows if it would have been a completion.
BUT, our first few third down attempts I blame purely on Carson. He came out looking like he was surprised there was even a game, as if he was again in grade school and the weather man predicted a foot of school-closing snow so he stayed up playing video games all night instead of doing his homework, but in the morning awoke to only two measly inches.. and had to give his report unprepared. Here’s a tip for success as a QB in the NFL, throw accurate, catchable passes.. Especially on third down so we can, ya know, compete.
Our Zfense looked more like a white-picket-fense..
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Sep 12, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Carson really needs to step it up. He could have easily thrown 3 picks today. With that said, Carson, and the O, look 10X better when he’s calling the plays at the line. The No-Huddle works.
It's clear to me
That when Carson has more control/decision in what the offense does, we perform better. So what does that say for Brat? Seems to me like we ought to look into a new OC. Or just let Carson run the show (not serious). Do something. Anything. While I’m disappointed in Zimmer/Lewis for their roles in not having the team ready to play this week, I trust that they’ll at least get better.
With Brat…. I’m not so sure.
by wildcatfaninexile on Sep 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Outsider looking in...
…Your coaching staff fail to have your team prepared…
Looks like they were reading the headlines, and press clippings..
Good luck vs. the ravens next weeks..!
Steelers 6 rings, Wildcats 7 Banners..!! Winning never gets old...!!!!
i think cinci is gon give baltimore one hell of an ass kicking
by diehard bengals fan 20 on Sep 12, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
how they finished the 2nd half especially on offense
by diehard bengals fan 20 on Sep 12, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
I waited for all of the passion to die down before I posted
First of all I am a Bengals fan and I am npt going to throw them under the bus because they lost to a team like the Patriots who I believe hasn’t lost a home opener in ages. The Pats played great today. We just go out played and paniced in the first half. We were out coached big time. They play the Ravens and Steelers as well and I don’t think they will fare any better. BB had his crew ready to play and Brady was brilliant and Welker is a beast – simple as that
There will be a lot of Bengal bashing this week and I am prepared for it with the finger next to my ring finger standing straight out. Do I wish we had played better? Yea, but I saw some real progress as the game went on. Gresham and Shipley belong, they proved that today. TO started and Chad found himself open for a lot of yards and catches. Benson and Scott looked prety good overall. The Oline and Dlines need to take this slap in the face and man up.
Any body who wants to walk away from the team – please shut the door as you leave. I am a Bengals fan and I don’t care if it is just me. It was one game and I never thought we were going to win them all. I know we are way better than we played today and this was a wake up call.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I honestly think that the biggest problem is the offensive and defensive lines.
The offensive line rarely gets any push in the running game and virtually never pass-protects very well. Palmer had the center’s back in his face during the entire game. I actually thought I saw Wilfork reach across the line and grab Palmer right after the snap. The line doesn’t seem to have any anchoring ability.
The defensive line didn’t get penetration all day long. It was actually ridiculous how much time Brady had to throw. Any defense would look really bad if the opposing quarterback was given that much time. Furthermore, they don’t seem to move laterally in run support… at all. It looked like the outside runs and off-tackle runs had an extremely high YPC. They were stout against runs to the A gap, but that was about it. To make matters worse, the Bengals weren’t even successful blitzing with their linebackers. Part of this was because they’re 4-3 backers and don’t usually blitz, but most of their inability to blitz is because the defensive lineman are ineffective in occupying their lineman. When I saw the Bengals do an all-out blitz, the center just became clogged up with blitzers and the opposing offensive line didn’t seem to have a hard time holding everyone back.
The Bengals have some good skill players, and Benson looks great. If they could get him going, they’d have something, but it seemed like the Pats figured out the Bengals zone-blocking scheme. Palmer looked really bad, but it’s hard to tell how much fault is his or the offensive line’s. The point is that football is won and lost in the trenches, and the Bengals lost really, really bad today in that area.
Lighten up
Even with all the bullshit a few of you have been cascading his way, BAL_Hawk has been more than civil. I scanned through all the comments he has made here and cannot find a single one that warrants the abuse heaped (not the Tight End variety) upon him these last few days.
There are enough issues with the assholes that come over to blather and spew on CJ that we don’t need to fight those who are here with just intent.
Hell, there are Bengal fans here with a shittier attitude about the Bengals than anything BAL_Hawk has said. Some even used the ridiculous “Bungle” epithet. Bengals fans saying it.
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
BAL_Hawk first of all I apologize for my earlier responses to you.
Some of your cohorts are only trash takers and abusers and it is sometimes difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. In fact, as I read your post, not knowing who posted it, I assumed that you were one of the more knowledgeable of this boards posters. I agree with most of what you said.
Every team is going to have some bad days. The Patriots are a very well coached team with some truly excellent talent. If we played to the best of our ability it would have been a tough game to win. I gave them the edge from the get, so I am not so disappointed in the loss as I am with the manner in which they did it. I think we were out coached big time by the master. I will give you one example. When the Pats overloaded the left side on the fiirst, I think, of Welker’s touchdowns, it was obvious what we were in the wrong alignment. A time out should have been called immediately. Zimmer or one of his underlings in the booth really blew it. I take some, but not much, comfort that they are good enough to probably beat the Ravens and Steelers as well. They played flawlessly.
There were good things as well. We now know that Shipley is the real deal. We also know that Chad still has it. We know that TO is drawing coverage from Chad. We know that Bernard Scott can run the ball in traffic and that Benson is ready to play I can forgive a fumble, he doesn’t give it up much.
Carson threw some really excellent passes when he had time but the Oline was a sieve and he did throw a pick and several other times it should have been picked.
I would not want to be a Dline or Oline guy in the meetings today. I am very confident that they just were not mentally ready to play. Add that to the fact that the Pats are a very good team with a very good, probably the best HC in the game in their home opener and we got what we deserved. I will take a dim view of anyone who makes any excuses just as I will of any division rivals who come over here to rub it in our faces. Our Oline is better than they played as is our Dline. It is entirely possible that this loss could turn out to be a good thing as it will harden resolve. The talent is there. Hard edged attitude in the trenches wasn’t and that, IMO, will be tightened up for next week.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
The coaching was obviously not up to par. They seemed like they weren’t ready for the season opener and were still in training camp mode. The blitz scheming on defense was horrible. I believe that the biggest problem was Welker. Zimmer couldn’t cover him in their base packages, so he had to get creative and blitz… Maybe he was forced out of his game-plan. Maybe he underestimated Welker. I don’t know, but I’m sure that the Bengal’s defense will bounce back. They just need to find a way to pressure quarterbacks with their defensive line. That’s the key to the 4-3 defense, and the Bengals need to get back to that.
I wouldn’t be too worried about the offensive line if you guys weren’t playing the Ravens next week. I can’t say that I’m not happy to be playing the Bengals now versus after they get their act together. The Bengals offensive line isn’t bad, they’re just not the most talented guys mentally. Physically, they have it all, but need more time to develop and gel as a unit.
That's exactly what I took out of it.
I really really hope there was some holding going on that wasn’t being called, because Brady had an absolutely ridiculous amount of time to go through his progressions. It doesn’t matter if Deion Sanders in his prime were cloned and playing all three cornerback positions in the nickel…it wouldn’t have been any better with the amount of time Brady had to look around. On offense it seemed to get better in the second half, but who knows how much of that was the Patriots’ gameplan once they were up by 28 points. I think we could be a little more confident in what we saw in the second half had that opening kickoff return TD not happened. That seemed to change the dynamic by a good margin.
by Craig Conrad on Sep 13, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Patriots softened up a little, but the Bengals did look better in the second half. The running game never really did get going. Benson’s longer runs were usually against 2-3 man lines or after he trucked someone. That would be my only real concern if I were a Bengal’s fan. There a hundreds of ways to pressure a quarterback (game-planing is a big part that), but the offensive line is about scheme and coordination… and that’s hard to learn on the fly. I don’t know who their offensive coordinator is, but he’s got the season riding on his shoulders in my opinion.
I wanted to add one other point to the big picture
I am actually a little more optimistic now as far as the season goes. ( expected to lose to the Pats at home) The Colts showed that they are beatable and the Texans showed that they are a force to be reckoned with. We play the Colts but the Ravens play the Texans on the road as well. Maybe the schedule evened out just a bit. Not much, but just a bit.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
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